"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I've heard that line as well, and I can understand it. Everything is a negotiation, and both sides have something the other wants. If I was a girl in this situation, I wouldn't walk into a strange man's house either.

For me, I'm fine having a girl come to my place after the M&G, but I also get that she might still not be comfortable with that.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4581449]Anyone have info on this lady? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4cdc84a9-fcb6-4dd8-a89f-0a04b40e37c3[/URL].

I am meeting her for lunch today and she has repeatedly asked that if we click can we get a room after. She wants to do a hotel the first time but then will come to my place for regular meets after that. I kinda follow the logic that she doesn't want to come to my place until we know we will want to see each other regularly but I also think maybe she knows it will just be a 1 time deal. That may be fine too though.

She texted me a few other pics and she is a very pretty young lady.

Thanks and be safe?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582542]You can only message them through tinder once you've "matched".

I use the premium service for a few reasons:

- Unlimited swipes.

- I can change my location.

- I can turn off where I actually am.

- They give me ultra likes daily to boost my visibility.

My strategy is just treating it like SA once I've matched. I also find the ones I'm really interested in on IG / SC and get a glimpse into what they're into, post about, etc because the best candidates kind of follow a trend.

Once you're in a conversation with them it's all about having some game and getting them to open a bit and be honest. As I've stated many times, my goal is to flip Civvies into SB's that are open to some extra cash for less work than their weekend or night jobs. It's the same way I approach Baristas, waitresses, cashiers, etc. It's just through a medium they're more comfortable with.[/QUOTE]I've been reading that some guys have hit gold with low wage workers like fast food, check out girls, retail clerks, etc. Or waitresses / bartenders in decent restaurants. I stay in hotels a lot & there are often hot, young housekeepers. Too risky with them because your identity is known. I've had them laughing & smiling a few times & was very tempted to go for it.

I've seen where some guys write there play number on a sugar pack & slid it to a bartended or waitress as they're leaving & say, plenty more where that came from or some other line. Some Daddies have made up business cards, that's interesting.

So I was outside Wilmington, NC and went to a chain BBQ restaurant just as they were closing. Maybe six people there but I ended up the last one. The girl that took my order was my perfect flavor. Young, super cute, great tiny heart shaped ass with a thigh gap.

So she brings me my food to the table & smiles big again & now I'm the only customer left. She goes and locks the door & closes her register. Then comes out to sweep up. I chat her up a bit. She's 23 (looked 18) local country girl. Working full time, part time student, named Chelsea.

It seemed she was sweeping a lot more close to me and leaning to get under tables in a way to give me a great view of her ass.

I decided, fuck it. Wrote my play name & play cell number on a napkin. I saw all the other workers (2) were out of ear shot in the back of the kitchen. Chelsea was emptying the trash right near my exit door. So I walked over, she gave me a big smile as I put my trash in the open bag she was holding.

I said, if you need a little extra cash for Christmas call me, Hun. She said "what?" I could tell she didn't get it. I said "I'd love to hang out with you when you get out of here. Maybe you could use a little extra cash for Christmas? As I handed her the napkin.

She said a very polite "no thank you" like I asked if she wanted a bite of my banana pudding!

I left & got into my truck, which I realized she had a clear view of my license plate. Oh, & of course I had asked her when she was sweeping where my hotel was located, so she knew where I was staying. Then I really panicked when I realized that I paid with my company AE with my name on it!

If I do it again, I'll be smarter. I've got a very legit gift to chat them up & I've got the vibe before but never asked for the order.

First time I tried.

Luckily Uncle LEO never knocked on my hotel girl. I didn't mention sex but she knew what I was asking. Not a great move.

I have pretty good luck on there. I have found some really good gems that were actually doing P 4 P for the first time. Usually 18-25 yo (and I'm 58 haha).

The thing I like is I never have to worry about being banned and losing my money like on SA. Just like the girls that get banned on SA, I can have a new profile up and running on Tinder or Bumble within 8-10 hours again.

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582542]You can only message them through tinder once you've "matched".

I use the premium service for a few reasons:

- Unlimited swipes.

- I can change my location.

- I can turn off where I actually am.

- They give me ultra likes daily to boost my visibility.

My strategy is just treating it like SA once I've matched. I also find the ones I'm really interested in on IG / SC and get a glimpse into what they're into, post about, etc because the best candidates kind of follow a trend.

Once you're in a conversation with them it's all about having some game and getting them to open a bit and be honest. As I've stated many times, my goal is to flip Civvies into SB's that are open to some extra cash for less work than their weekend or night jobs. It's the same way I approach Baristas, waitresses, cashiers, etc. It's just through a medium they're more comfortable with.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4582649]I've been reading that some guys have hit gold with low wage workers like fast food, check out girls, retail clerks, etc. Or waitresses / bartenders in decent restaurants. I stay in hotels a lot & there are often hot, young housekeepers. Too risky with them because your identity is known. I've had them laughing & smiling a few times & was very tempted to go for it.

I've seen where some guys write there play number on a sugar pack & slid it to a bartended or waitress as they're leaving & say, plenty more where that came from or some other line. Some Daddies have made up business cards, that's interesting.

So I was outside Wilmington, NC and went to a chain BBQ restaurant just as they were closing. Maybe six people there but I ended up the last one. The girl that took my order was my perfect flavor. Young, super cute, great tiny heart shaped ass with a thigh gap.

So she brings me my food to the table & smiles big again & now I'm the only customer left. She goes and locks the door & closes her register. Then comes out to sweep up. I chat her up a bit. She's 23 (looked 18) local country girl. Working full time, part time student, named Chelsea.

It seemed she was sweeping a lot more close to me and leaning to get under tables in a way to give me a great view of her ass.

I decided, fuck it. Wrote my play name & play cell number on a napkin. I saw all the other workers (2) were out of ear shot in the back of the kitchen. Chelsea was emptying the trash right near my exit door. So I walked over, she gave me a big smile as I put my trash in the open bag she was holding.

I said, if you need a little extra cash for Christmas call me, Hun. She said "what?" I could tell she didn't get it. I said "I'd love to hang out with you when you get out of here. Maybe you could use a little extra cash for Christmas? As I handed her the napkin.

She said a very polite "no thank you" like I asked if she wanted a bite of my banana pudding!

I left & got into my truck, which I realized she had a clear view of my license plate. Oh, & of course I had asked her when she was sweeping where my hotel was located, so she knew where I was staying. Then I really panicked when I realized that I paid with my company AE with my name on it!

If I do it again, I'll be smarter. I've got a very legit gift to chat them up & I've got the vibe before but never asked for the order.

First time I tried.

Luckily Uncle LEO never knocked on my hotel girl. I didn't mention sex but she knew what I was asking. Not a great move.[/QUOTE]Nice story, So I ALWAYS go after low. Medium wage workers. I do it mostly because that's honestly where the gold is in these situations. They're fucking anyway, they probably hate their jobs and it may be their side job they're working to make ends meet so a SD giving them some side cash for what they're already doing is a win / win for them and they may be able to quit their side job.

Always carry cash. I travel frequently for work as well but I always keep some cash for coffee, lunch, etc when I'm making a play on a potential SB. The thing with waitresses is they usually get hit on frequently so I try to build a little more rapport with them by frequenting them if I'm really interested. Other things like cashiers, Walmart workers, etc. I shoot my shot right there with a card that I have for the occasion. I find a reason to engage them, make a few jokes, ask for lunch recommendations, give them compliments and then go for the kill. 3/10 I'll get at least a text and usually 1/10 it'll go beyond that one text conversation.

Also, don't think LE would even think twice about your situation. At worst, you're a creepy guy that took a shot.

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4582656]I have pretty good luck on there. I have found some really good gems that were actually doing P 4 P for the first time. Usually 18-25 yo (and I'm 58 haha).

The thing I like is I never have to worry about being banned and losing my money like on SA. Just like the girls that get banned on SA, I can have a new profile up and running on Tinder or Bumble within 8-10 hours again.[/QUOTE]Good point. I've switched over to Tinder as my primary source since October and I've had good success. Some consistent first time P4 P gems, along with some freebies just because I connected with some chicks that were open to something besides a 20 y/o guy who doesn't know how to push the right buttons sexually.

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582672]Good point. I've switched over to Tinder as my primary source since October and I've had good success. Some consistent first time P4 P gems, along with some freebies just because I connected with some chicks that were open to something besides a 20 why / o guy who doesn't know how to push the right buttons sexually.[/QUOTE]After reading these posts about Tinder I thought I'd give it a try so I set up an account on my PC. Windows 10. I hate trying to do shit on my phone bc the keyboard is tiny. Anyway, I can't add a bio on PC. Just pictures. WTF is that? There is no option anywhere to add or edit your bio. And all I can find online is about the phone app.

Anyone have any experience with it?

Thanks and be safe!

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582672]Good point. I've switched over to Tinder as my primary source since October and I've had good success. Some consistent first time P4 P gems, along with some freebies just because I connected with some chicks that were open to something besides a 20 y/o guy who doesn't know how to push the right buttons sexually.[/QUOTE]I got banned on tinder about a year ago looking for SB's and have not been able to sign back on with a new account. Is there some way to bypass the ban? They seem to recognize the numbers I use and multiple FB accounts I try to sign back up with.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4581935]She texted me that her phone is blowing up with texts from numbers she doesn't know, she's probably going to shut down to make it stop. For the record I'm all for sharing intel on SBs but don't think it's good practice to give out their numbers to people they don't know. They are all easy to contact through SA and they can respond if they choose to. Passing out their number makes them feel like ******, ruins their delusion that they're not, and screws it up for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Come on man. She's about as close as you get to a street walker without actually walking the streets. This girl is so desperate for money she's not shutting anything down.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4582728]Come on man. She's about as close as you get to a street walker without actually walking the streets. This girl is so desperate for money she's not shutting anything down.[/QUOTE]I just think that if they wanted everyone to have their number they'd post it on STG instead of go the SB route.

[QUOTE=Scorpio22;4582703]I got banned on tinder about a year ago looking for SB's and have not been able to sign back on with a new account. Is there some way to bypass the ban? They seem to recognize the numbers I use and multiple FB accounts I try to sign back up with.[/QUOTE]Get a new burner. Do not connect it to your WiFi. Only use cell data.

Don't use any existing contact info to register the burner. Use a real address like an apartment complex.

Use a new email address. Don't use any existing contact info to register the email address.

Never use the burner for anything connected with your old / existing contact info. Never use your WiFi to connect with it.

If you do all of the above, Tinder won't link you back to your old account.

I always struggled with Tinder because of the photo part. I assumed the girls want to see what the guy looks like but maybe the SBs know what's up. That, and it's on my phone and I don't trust it to be discreet.

Maybe with TER coming back certain activity will migrate away from SA?

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582664]Nice story, So I ALWAYS go after low. Medium wage workers. I do it mostly because that's honestly where the gold is in these situations. They're fucking anyway, they probably hate their jobs and it may be their side job they're working to make ends meet so a SD giving them some side cash for what they're already doing is a win / win for them and they may be able to quit their side job.

Always carry cash. I travel frequently for work as well but I always keep some cash for coffee, lunch, etc when I'm making a play on a potential SB. The thing with waitresses is they usually get hit on frequently so I try to build a little more rapport with them by frequenting them if I'm really interested. Other things like cashiers, Walmart workers, etc. I shoot my shot right there with a card that I have for the occasion. I find a reason to engage them, make a few jokes, ask for lunch recommendations, give them compliments and then go for the kill. 3/10 I'll get at least a text and usually 1/10 it'll go beyond that one text conversation.

Also, don't think LE would even think twice about your situation. At worst, you're a creepy guy that took a shot.[/QUOTE]I have business cards with only my name and burner number and "Seeking Arrangement" on them.

When I see a prospect, I hand it to them without saying anything more about intentions. Most often, it is accompanied by a tip for waiting the table, etc.

I have good success with this method. 20% of the time I will get a text.

As for LE. These days, you can end up in jail for looking at a girl the wrong way if you are in the wrong jurisdiction. All a girl needs to do is tell a judge that she felt threatened, then you're facing a DVPO. That's why I never make a second move without acceptance of a first move. Go to the local family court and listen to some of the weak stories that end up with DVPOs. Something as simple as an unwanted phone call can get you one.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;4582887]I always struggled with Tinder because of the photo part. I assumed the girls want to see what the guy looks like but maybe the SBs know what's up. That, and it's on my phone and I don't trust it to be discreet.

Maybe with TER coming back certain activity will migrate away from SA?[/QUOTE]I use the same nondescript pic on Tinder that I use on SA and I've never had an issue and currently have about 45 chats open.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4582894]I have business cards with only my name and burner number and "Seeking Arrangement" on them.

When I see a prospect, I hand it to them without saying anything more about intentions. Most often, it is accompanied by a tip for waiting the table, etc.

I have good success with this method. 20% of the time I will get a text.

As for LE. These days, you can end up in jail for looking at a girl the wrong way if you are in the wrong jurisdiction. All a girl needs to do is tell a judge that she felt threatened, then you're facing a DVPO. That's why I never make a second move without acceptance of a first move. Go to the local family court and listen to some of the weak stories that end up with DVPOs. Something as simple as an unwanted phone call can get you one.[/QUOTE]Fair point but if that's your stance on LE then I would ditch the biz cards or at the very least take off "Seeking Arrangement". (IMO the Seeking Arrangement tag isn't necessary at all).

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4582656] I can have a new profile up and running on Tinder or Bumble within 8-10 hours again.[/QUOTE]So Tinder no longer requires FB account?