"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I messaged Julie11988, a sweet looking 18 yo according to her profile and she responded today:

"Hey there sweetie how are you? Names Julie by the way. First I want to be honest with you I'm only 17, I don't turn 18 for 2 weeks. It's not a big deal just wanted to let you know and don't worry I don't kiss and tell. I'm just looking to have a good time and maybe get a little dirty if you interested text me at 8042235543. I don't get on here much I don't have much data. 😘128525;128536;.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/38c0d1e3-1461-462c-aa1e-15a4b833629e[/URL]

I didn't respond and blocked her. It makes me wonder who is actually creating some of these profiles and who you are actually messaging.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;4556703]I messaged Julie11988, a sweet looking 18 yo according to her profile and she responded today:

"Hey there sweetie how are you? Names Julie by the way. First I want to be honest with you I'm only 17, I don't turn 18 for 2 weeks. It's not a big deal just wanted to let you know and don't worry I don't kiss and tell. I'm just looking to have a good time and maybe get a little dirty if you interested text me at 8042235543. I don't get on here much I don't have much data. 😘128525;128536;.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/38c0d1e3-1461-462c-aa1e-15a4b833629e[/URL]

I didn't respond and blocked her. It makes me wonder who is actually creating some of these profiles and who you are actually messaging.

Be safe![/QUOTE]It's very similar to a message I received about a year ago on my old profile. I can't remember the profile name but it's scary to think that some dudes have probably fallen for it. Also, careful of the ones that jump to text and want to immediately get a picture of you instead of on the site. Looks like they are using those pics for predator websites etc and I've seen more and more of those requests on SA lately.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4556250]It amazes me how the landscape of SA has changed in just the past month or two. Its went from relatively easy to find a genuine 18-22 thin low mileage sb that was open to intimacy to absolutely nothing now. 100% of the girls I talk to now are "too busy with school to meet in person" but "want someone to spoil me in exchange for my companionship via text or phone calls". Even the pic / vid sellers are few and far between. To me it's made the site not even worth the $90/ month. My membership expires in a few days and I'm going to let it go. If I wanted a girl to give my money to and get nothing physical in return I'd just get married.

With that being said, if you're target is 25 and up there are still some options on the site. For me a big part of the thrill is knowing the girl I'm with is a genuine college student that really needs / wants the money and not someone that's just made bad choices in life and is desperate for money to keep the electricity on.

The sad part is I don't think this trend is going to blow over anytime soon. The TikToc app that was discussed in previous posts is full of this nonsense findom and feet pic sellers. There are tons female users (16 ish- early 20's) posting their Venmo and Cashapp transactions showing numerous incoming deposits from this crap. Hundreds of dollars a day from guys paying $20-50 for feet pictures. With guys like that out there we don't have a chance on Seeking.[/QUOTE]I get tired of SA and take a break sometimes. It's incredibly weird how much the quality of my life improves when I'm not dealing with those psychos. I check back out of curiosity, but it gets worse every time I do.

[QUOTE=MineTooTell;4555017]Guys, looking for some guidance. Been in the hobby for a few years. Spend a lot of time (and $$ with agencies like TG. Looking to get into the SD / SB relationship. Just created a profile on SA. Just a few high-level questions to get me started.

Is there a big LE presences on SA looking for the SD?[/QUOTE]Yes, there's just as much law enforcement on SA than any other site where women want money for pussy.

[QUOTE=RVASpider;4556729]It's very similar to a message I received about a year ago on my old profile. I can't remember the profile name but it's scary to think that some dudes have probably fallen for it. Also, careful of the ones that jump to text and want to immediately get a picture of you instead of on the site. Looks like they are using those pics for predator websites etc and I've seen more and more of those requests on SA lately.[/QUOTE]I always move to text quickly because I want to look up their number and pic to see if they're real. It also cuts down on ghosting and blocking.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4556703]I messaged Julie11988, a sweet looking 18 yo according to her profile and she responded today:

"Hey there sweetie how are you? Names Julie by the way. First I want to be honest with you I'm only 17, I don't turn 18 for 2 weeks. It's not a big deal just wanted to let you know and don't worry I don't kiss and tell. I'm just looking to have a good time and maybe get a little dirty if you interested text me at 8042235543. I don't get on here much I don't have much data. 😘128525;128536;.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/38c0d1e3-1461-462c-aa1e-15a4b833629e[/URL]

I didn't respond and blocked her. It makes me wonder who is actually creating some of these profiles and who you are actually messaging.

Be safe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RVASpider;4556729]It's very similar to a message I received about a year ago on my old profile. I can't remember the profile name but it's scary to think that some dudes have probably fallen for it. Also, careful of the ones that jump to text and want to immediately get a picture of you instead of on the site. Looks like they are using those pics for predator websites etc and I've seen more and more of those requests on SA lately.[/QUOTE]First off, anyone that goes for it deserves what happens to them, but seriously, that's straight up fishing for people willing to do it. Honestly, I'd go the extra mile and report the entire thing to SA.

[QUOTE=DCSeeker;4556741]I get tired of SA and take a break sometimes. It's incredibly weird how much the quality of my life improves when I'm not dealing with those psychos. I check back out of curiosity, but it gets worse every time I do.[/QUOTE]I could not agree more. I can only stay on for one month at a time. That's all I can stomach before I get grumpy and have a negative outlook on the world.

[QUOTE=BigOne73;4556836]Yes, there's just as much law enforcement on SA than any other site where women want money for pussy.[/QUOTE]LE is definitely on SA. They get your number. They get you to agree to a specific price over text to meet up. You show up with the phone holding all of the evidence. They arrest you and keep the phone to look through (even the deleted info). That's why I always do a meet-greet first. The cops don't have enough manpower and money to do a moving sting for one "soliciting a prostitute" arrest. They like to get them in large numbers, so they'll get a place, wire it up and wait for all of the men to show up one after the other. Bam, bam, bam!

They get you as soon as you agree to an exact price. You don't need to say the exact words, "sex for money. " Buzzwords and lingo count online just like they used to on the street corners when prostitutes would ask, "Hey baby, ya want a date?" You can still get arrested because you're in a place where prostitutes are known-to-frequent. And SA is definitely a place known for prostitution.

Also agree. I can't imagine staying on SA full time and retaining my sanity. I usually try and find a regular or two, then let my account lapse and hang onto those as long as it's fun for everyone. The less time I spend dealing with the fakes and the flakes, the better.

[QUOTE=DCSeeker;4556741]I get tired of SA and take a break sometimes. It's incredibly weird how much the quality of my life improves when I'm not dealing with those psychos. I check back out of curiosity, but it gets worse every time I do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigOne73;4556836]Yes, there's just as much law enforcement on SA than any other site where women want money for pussy.[/QUOTE]Doubtful. LE probably spends time on SA looking for underage / runaway girls or known violent offenders, but if you think about the amount of work we go thru just to get a phone number then it would be a tremendously tall order for LE to run any real sting operations via seeking that would justify the total costs.

Sting ops are scheduled but they all run the script of posting an ad and getting a john in the room. They don't care if you never talk 'sex' or money, they don't care if you can reasonably beat the charge, they only care that you answered an ad on a site known for providing prostitution.

And that they arrested you along with x number of mongers. Many of the guys arrested are repeat offenders, guys with warrants, etc. So it acts as a sweeping operation as well. We know that lots of guys will buckle and try to plea out before even getting processed by the magistrate. If you take all your precautions and ride the line of what is permissible / undeniable, you still have to get a lawyer, have your name / pic posted, and the judge will see thru your bullshit excuses.

Sting ops don't explicitly target millionaires for obvious political reasons as well. Sting ops go to where they can maximize their time, the places where pussy for $60 QVs will have the phones constantly going off. Not that they won't bag and tag a wealthy monger that is dipping his beak in a hood rat hotel, but the ramifications and challenges of 'proudly' bringing in 20 well-to-do mongers after a 5 day sting op compared to bringing in 20 nobodys from the hood of whom some have rap sheets or warrants.

Which would ultimately cause grief for any the office.

Case in point, imagine a sting where 20 Robert Kraft's were arrested. You would end up with 20 dismissed cases and 0 convictions and instability in the local body politic.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4556250]It amazes me how the landscape of SA has changed in just the past month or two. Its went from relatively easy to find a genuine 18-22 thin low mileage sb that was open to intimacy to absolutely nothing now. 100% of the girls I talk to now are "too busy with school to meet in person" but "want someone to spoil me in exchange for my companionship via text or phone calls". Even the pic / vid sellers are few and far between. To me it's made the site not even worth the $90/ month. My membership expires in a few days and I'm going to let it go. If I wanted a girl to give my money to and get nothing physical in return I'd just get married.

With that being said, if you're target is 25 and up there are still some options on the site. For me a big part of the thrill is knowing the girl I'm with is a genuine college student that really needs / wants the money and not someone that's just made bad choices in life and is desperate for money to keep the electricity on.

The sad part is I don't think this trend is going to blow over anytime soon. The TikToc app that was discussed in previous posts is full of this nonsense findom and feet pic sellers. There are tons female users (16 ish- early 20's) posting their Venmo and Cashapp transactions showing numerous incoming deposits from this crap. Hundreds of dollars a day from guys paying $20-50 for feet pictures. With guys like that out there we don't have a chance on Seeking.[/QUOTE]I feel your pain. I usually grab a membership on SA once every six months and rack up as many SB's I can to last me for 3-4 months, usually finding 1-2 that'll atleast keep me going for a year. Lately, I've moved to Tinder and have been having a great run, I've also started aiming at finding gems in real life as I've discussed before. Part of this whole Seeking / SB game is the chase and finding a really sweet gem that pays off at a value.

Also, those feet pic sellers / etc on all these apps aren't anything new but those provide gateways into the SB / Sex worker world for us. I can't tell you how many women I know that started off with an "Onlyfans" page is now on Seeking or willing to fuck for cash.

[QUOTE=ChrisCarr;4557199]Doubtful. LE probably spends time on SA looking for underage / runaway girls or known violent offenders, but if you think about the amount of work we go thru just to get a phone number then it would be a tremendously tall order for LE to run any real sting operations via seeking that would justify the total costs.

Sting ops are scheduled but they all run the script of posting an ad and getting a john in the room. They don't care if you never talk 'sex' or money, they don't care if you can reasonably beat the charge, they only care that you answered an ad on a site known for providing prostitution.

And that they arrested you along with x number of mongers. Many of the guys arrested are repeat offenders, guys with warrants, etc. So it acts as a sweeping operation as well. We know that lots of guys will buckle and try to plea out before even getting processed by the magistrate. If you take all your precautions and ride the line of what is permissible / undeniable, you still have to get a lawyer, have your name / pic posted, and the judge will see thru your bullshit excuses.[/QUOTE]This. LE is lazy, they aren't going to go through the trouble of SA to nab a few johns when they can do a fraction of the work with standard prostitution stings and come out with stronger cases and more explicit evidence. It costs money to run stings, and they need a fast return on their investment.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4557485]This. LE is lazy, they aren't going to go through the trouble of SA to nab a few johns when they can do a fraction of the work with standard prostitution stings and come out with stronger cases and more explicit evidence. It costs money to run stings, and they need a fast return on their investment.[/QUOTE]This. I've talked to many hundreds of girls from seeking and never once have I got a LEO vibe from any of them. Not saying there hasn't been stings ran by LE on Seeking but I think it's rare and not something we should worry about as long as 17 and under is your thing.

[QUOTE=ChrisCarr;4557199]Doubtful. LE probably spends time on SA looking for underage / runaway girls or known violent offenders, but if you think about the amount of work we go thru just to get a phone number then it would be a tremendously tall order for LE to run any real sting operations via seeking that would justify the total costs.

Sting ops are scheduled but they all run the script of posting an ad and getting a john in the room. They don't care if you never talk 'sex' or money, they don't care if you can reasonably beat the charge, they only care that you answered an ad on a site known for providing prostitution.

And that they arrested you along with x number of mongers. Many of the guys arrested are repeat offenders, guys with warrants, etc. So it acts as a sweeping operation as well. We know that lots of guys will buckle and try to plea out before even getting processed by the magistrate. If you take all your precautions and ride the line of what is permissible / undeniable, you still have to get a lawyer, have your name / pic posted, and the judge will see thru your bullshit excuses.

Sting ops don't explicitly target millionaires for obvious political reasons as well. Sting ops go to where they can maximize their time, the places where pussy for $60 QVs will have the phones constantly going off. Not that they won't bag and tag a wealthy monger that is dipping his beak in a hood rat hotel, but the ramifications and challenges of 'proudly' bringing in 20 well-to-do mongers after a 5 day sting op compared to bringing in 20 nobodys from the hood of whom some have rap sheets or warrants.

Which would ultimately cause grief for any the office.

Case in point, imagine a sting where 20 Robert Kraft's were arrested. You would end up with 20 dismissed cases and 0 convictions and instability in the local body politic.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4557485]This. LE is lazy, they aren't going to go through the trouble of SA to nab a few johns when they can do a fraction of the work with standard prostitution stings and come out with stronger cases and more explicit evidence. It costs money to run stings, and they need a fast return on their investment.[/QUOTE]I don't think we should completely delude ourselves. For instance this link is a forum for police officers. This thread is from around 2016 but the advice still holds true, maybe even moreso.

[URL=https://forum.officer.com/forum/officers-and-law-enforcement-professionals-only/the-squad-room/211494-backpage-stings]Backpage stings - Police Forums & Law Enforcement Forums @ Officer.com[/URL]

One officer is asking advice about busting escorts in his city. It seems to just BUG the fuck out of him and his fellow cops that hookers post online, and he wants tips on how to shut this awful shit down! So brother officers offered advice on how to get more funding, etc:

[I]"We always bring an HSI SA on our ops and they've actually footed the bill the last two we ran."[/I]

Another officer endorsed that:

[I]"This. Go for the federal human trafficking angle if your DA won't play ball."[/I]

These stings were aimed at busting clients and workers, thinly veiled as anti-trafficking. So depending on how far they want to go, cops DO do have time to sit around and text / message extended periods and, they are willing to chat you up on phone, and yeah, they DO have the funds to meet you at a motel.

Personally, I like flipping through that forum. Gives some great insight into the minds of cops.

[QUOTE=DCSeeker;4556866]I always move to text quickly because I want to look up their number and pic to see if they're real. It also cuts down on ghosting and blocking.[/QUOTE]How can you find anything anymore from just a phone number? You use to be able to see FB profiles that way but that was years ago.

You can do the pay sites but I don't want to spend the $, plus the majority of SBs use texting apps so no dice.

Let me know if you've cracked the code.

Even when I find out there real name, it can be hard to find there FB or IG.

If they have a common first & last name there can be too many profiles to find them.

Or they have a cute nickname instead of there real name.