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Thanks for a doze of reality Charlie. Some posters seem to have jumped the shark maybe. The apathy on the subject is interesting, though I can see why most don't want to get in a pissing match over something so stupid. But really? Tip a flat rate $180/ hour hooker for a shitty massage and a hand job? Because she can't manage the money she does make, or get a real job? Come on man!!
It won't let me post or search for anything past the front page. Is anyone else getting a blank screen on STG with internal server error 500?
[QUOTE=AdorableRose;5788285]It won't let me post or search for anything past the front page. Is anyone else getting a blank screen on STG with internal server error 500?[/QUOTE]I am also getting the same error.
[QUOTE=AdorableRose;5788285]It won't let me post or search for anything past the front page. Is anyone else getting a blank screen on STG with internal server error 500?[/QUOTE]I got that yesterday too. Fine today.
I have also been noticing some other weirdness in STG lately. For example, when browsing the ads in gallery and quick views, I am not seeing certain ads that I know are out there. Like when a favorite tells me she posted a couple times, but I see none. Or when someone posts a link in the forums here, I have noticed a few times that I can view the ad by following the link. But then if I try to find it by browsing, nothing.
Some weirdness is afoot.
I agree with Jmaul (yea, even I'm surprised) generally speaking. I generally tip a little to my regular escort providers around Christmas particularly as most have kids. MPs depends a lot on the service but sometimes. My issue with prices though is that they have basically doubled on the escort side. So even with inflation figured in I feel like the whole provider market swung way up way fast. Bodyworks, Luxe as well on the MP side. 400 for what? 30-45 mins of cfs? Some of you guys need to take a trip to Vegas and see what 3-400/ hr gets you.
But more aggravating is the STG girls who are at best a 5-6 overall. Usually overweight, older, using pics from 12 years ago asking 150-200 hh. When BP was running these girls would be 120/ hr. Tops. That wasn't 10 years ago BTW. I mean seriously? How much inflation are we talking about here? So from my end of this hobby I feel like the avg. Cost of pussy in west Michigan is generally overpriced. Exceptions noted.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;5752612]From my own POV -- the main discrepancy isn't about expecting a 40/20 scenario with girls and crying foul to pay more if she's not hot or doesn't do Russian, get fully nude, etc.
Instead, I think the discrepancy is seeing a particular someone who's been in the industry a while (isn't at Bodyworks btw), who's not 'hot' but sure, does has some appealing demographics like many do. Asking for 140 hhr -- along with something like "the more you tip the more you'll get". Shoot, this isn't one of those out-the-box package deals at 140. There's still at least a -some- tip implied to get the standard HE, as you're going to look like a cheapskate if leaving No tip post 140 cost. 180 for HE and no haggle? 240 for a BBBJ? 300 for CFS hhr? Could I afford that? Sure. Does she fit that bill? Objectively, no. Am I being a cheapskate? I mean, I could happily do that + she'd be I'm sure very happy and it'd be a great mutual experience. Everyone's a winner, right? Yeah, but there is such thing as "too much" for what ya get (including not having to worry about haggling), is all I'm saying.
I could also afford a nice microbrew for $20 here in GR. I could have a boat, plane, AND a pet tiger -- I still wouldn't want to continually pay $20 for a microbrew when I can easily get a good one for $5. But it's 16 oz, not 12 oz! Yeah, still. Am I cheap? No. I'm not going to go "Well, I Never!" when I'm paying $7 for a nice microbrew that I know of, in GR, when at a place doesn't at all seem 'fancy'. But $20? May do it Once for the fvck of it since I'm there, but other than that, no. I guess, call me a cheapskate?
"I mean, hey, at that place you don't have to wait for it, it's nicely sized, it's a sweet place to be in, no worries about anything. Go down to some hole in the wall that smells like cigarette butts and cat urine to save a few bucks for a watered down brew -- no thanks!
To that I say, I'm certainly not a fan of that either. Things aren't two-sided like that, tho. And I'm not "good deal hunting". It's just that I'm avoiding really Bad deals, that even my little head can see thru is all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Monger01;5790286]I agree with Jmaul (yea, even I'm surprised) generally speaking. I generally tip a little to my regular escort providers around Christmas particularly as most have kids. MPs depends a lot on the service but sometimes. My issue with prices though is that they have basically doubled on the escort side. So even with inflation figured in I feel like the whole provider market swung way up way fast. Bodyworks, Luxe as well on the MP side. 400 for what? 30-45 mins of cfs? Some of you guys need to take a trip to Vegas and see what 3-400/ hr gets you.
But more aggravating is the STG girls who are at best a 5-6 overall. Usually overweight, older, using pics from 12 years ago asking 150-200 hh. When BP was running these girls would be 120/ hr. Tops. That wasn't 10 years ago BTW. I mean seriously? How much inflation are we talking about here? So from my end of this hobby I feel like the avg. Cost of pussy in west Michigan is generally overpriced. Exceptions noted.[/QUOTE]It's insane that some people are willing to spend that much. I was just out to Florida last week and you can get 10's for 400. I think because the talent pool here has dried up a little that it is scarce but I would never spend that much personally unless it was a regular and multiple hours. Just because I have the money doesn't mean I will. Yeah I might splurge 200 to get someone off my see list but that's about it. But I guess there's a demand so they can keep charging for it.
I go out to Oklahoma occasionally, and the talent pool is even worse and the prices are actually higher than here. Same story in Illinois (around Springfield at least). Think a lot of the talent is going SB and dating sites like AM and doing a bit more of the UTR route and leaving just the lower end talent posting publicly.
[QUOTE=GRDiver;5791297]It's insane that some people are willing to spend that much. I was just out to Florida last week and you can get 10's for 400. I think because the talent pool here has dried up a little that it is scarce but I would never spend that much personally unless it was a regular and multiple hours. Just because I have the money doesn't mean I will. Yeah I might splurge 200 to get someone off my see list but that's about it. But I guess there's a demand so they can keep charging for it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VetteMan6981;5791645]I go out to Oklahoma occasionally, and the talent pool is even worse and the prices are actually higher than here. Same story in Illinois (around Springfield at least). Think a lot of the talent is going SB and dating sites like AM and doing a bit more of the UTR route and leaving just the lower end talent posting publicly.[/QUOTE]I think so too as you can definitely get a SB for less than 400 per meet. A lot of the top tier talent know that SB is much easier than posting since they know that once they get a few SD then they are set and know that they will have a good source of streamed weekly income. But on the flip side of this there is plenty of options if you can work your game as a SD and find them as low as 100 per meet. My last SB was 8 months and it eventually went to whatever you want to donate is fine with me but that's after a few months of seeing her. I am not saying don't pay high prices I am saying pay high prices for quality talent. Just my 2 cents.
I hobby a lot around the country and the prices vary quite a bit. Vegas is $300 for a $60/ hr body, $500 for a $200/ hr body. LA is worse than that and you're probably more than likely going to just get rolled, ghosted or a horrible waste of time, however you can still find $60 BJ's in the right areas. Florida's main areas are asking premium prices, but you get above-average talent. Atlanta still has a cheaper market, but again, super-shady areas to find them. My opinion in GR is the streetwalker scene is decent in price for what you get compared to many areas, which is probably a disappointing, probably wouldn't repeat experience, but yes, it's $200/ hr for probably below average bodies and talent or spinner crack wh0res who are OK in body at least on the escort scene, and there are a LOT of $60 girls trying to get $200/ hr. It's up to us to use this board efficiently. I recommend HONEST reviews. Don't coddle. I think many of us know and do that, and I just smh on the ones who get ripped off by obvious bad deals. But hey, I've been there. We were all new once to this game. The key is don't pay top price for sub-par talent. That's the only thing that will drive their prices down. Personally, $200/ hr talent is adequate for my needs usually, as my slvt fund takes a while to refill, but it better not disappoint as far as end results. I'd never pay that total price at an MP and I understand the explanations on why those do do it, but I certainly don't agree with it.
[QUOTE=HornyFlyer;5791676]I hobby a lot around the country and the prices vary quite a bit. Vegas is $300 for a $60/ hr body, $500 for a $200/ hr body. LA is worse than that and you're probably more than likely going to just get rolled, ghosted or a horrible waste of time, however you can still find $60 BJ's in the right areas. Florida's main areas are asking premium prices, but you get above-average talent. Atlanta still has a cheaper market, but again, super-shady areas to find them. My opinion in GR is the streetwalker scene is decent in price for what you get compared to many areas, which is probably a disappointing, probably wouldn't repeat experience, but yes, it's $200/ hr for probably below average bodies and talent or spinner crack wh0res who are OK in body at least on the escort scene, and there are a LOT of $60 girls trying to get $200/ hr. It's up to us to use this board efficiently. I recommend HONEST reviews. Don't coddle. I think many of us know and do that, and I just smh on the ones who get ripped off by obvious bad deals. But hey, I've been there. We were all new once to this game. The key is don't pay top price for sub-par talent. That's the only thing that will drive their prices down. Personally, $200/ hr talent is adequate for my needs usually, as my slvt fund takes a while to refill, but it better not disappoint as far as end results. I'd never pay that total price at an MP and I understand the explanations on why those do do it, but I certainly don't agree with it.[/QUOTE]I agree totally.
To get the best service from any provider Escort or MP never give money before service. They will all work much harder for the tip.
I walk out if they don't agree to money after services. Most of the time they agree before my hand hits the door knob.
[QUOTE=HornyFlyer;5791676]I hobby a lot around the country and the prices vary quite a bit. Vegas is $300 for a $60/ hr body, $500 for a $200/ hr body. LA is worse than that and you're probably more than likely going to just get rolled, ghosted or a horrible waste of time, however you can still find $60 BJ's in the right areas. Florida's main areas are asking premium prices, but you get above-average talent. Atlanta still has a cheaper market, but again, super-shady areas to find them. My opinion in GR is the streetwalker scene is decent in price for what you get compared to many areas, which is probably a disappointing, probably wouldn't repeat experience, but yes, it's $200/ hr for probably below average bodies and talent or spinner crack wh0res who are OK in body at least on the escort scene, and there are a LOT of $60 girls trying to get $200/ hr. It's up to us to use this board efficiently. I recommend HONEST reviews. Don't coddle. I think many of us know and do that, and I just smh on the ones who get ripped off by obvious bad deals. But hey, I've been there. We were all new once to this game. The key is don't pay top price for sub-par talent. That's the only thing that will drive their prices down. Personally, $200/ hr talent is adequate for my needs usually, as my slvt fund takes a while to refill, but it better not disappoint as far as end results. I'd never pay that total price at an MP and I understand the explanations on why those do do it, but I certainly don't agree with it.[/QUOTE]It's a bit far to travel, but I get over to Toronto once in awhile. It has a good SP scene. Society is a bit more lax on the profession over there, so there's less fear for the escorts to be providers. My experience in many parts of the US is a weariness of police enforcement.
If you have a VPN where you can make it looks like you're browsing from Canada, a useful site to look at is Leolist: [URL]https://www.leolist.cc/personals/female-escorts/greater-toronto.[/URL].
Always on the lookout for new milfs. Anyone remember Cathena from a few years back? One of the best and was only around for a short time. She suddenly disappeared never to return. Probably found a significant other.
She was fun, I liked her little friend as well! Some good parties were held at her fitness center.
[QUOTE=MichiBob;5810026]Always on the lookout for new milfs. Anyone remember Cathena from a few years back? One of the best and was only around for a short time. She suddenly disappeared never to return. Probably found a significant other.[/QUOTE]
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On the 10 year anniversary of her passing, I give you Heather Kitten.
[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;5820718]On the 10 year anniversary of her passing, I give you Heather Kitten.[/QUOTE]Didn't she also live over in Saginaw for a while?
[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;5820718]On the 10 year anniversary of her passing, I give you Heather Kitten.[/QUOTE]I remember her. She was very Beautiful.
[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;5820718]On the 10 year anniversary of her passing, I give you Heather Kitten.[/QUOTE]She was a sweetheart. She didn't have to die neither. She had neumonía for which she could have gotten free antibiotics anywhere. She didn't know this. What a shame.
[QUOTE=MichiBob;5810026]Always on the lookout for new milfs. Anyone remember Cathena from a few years back? One of the best and was only around for a short time. She suddenly disappeared never to return. Probably found a significant other.[/QUOTE]I sure do. I am still fb friends with her.
[QUOTE=Pete3854;5820959]I sure do. I am still fb friends with her.[/QUOTE]What is she up to these days? Is she still involved with a gym? She was a good one. Invited you in, had a glass of wine, chatted and then the fun began.
[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;5820718]On the 10 year anniversary of her passing, I give you Heather Kitten.[/QUOTE]Wow, ten years already. She was beautiful.
[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;5820718]On the 10 year anniversary of her passing, I give you Heather Kitten.[/QUOTE]HK was awesome. I met her when she was going to WCC three or four years before she died. Super cool girl. I am only a couple of years older than she would be so we clicked easily. Her showing me how many senior mongers on those old boards were blackmailing and threatening providers made me sick. Very well known "respected" mongers found out who she was and blackmailed her looking for free appointments and good refs.
This is not me bragging but asking for legit ladies that will do greek and not complain that my dick is to big. It's rather irritating to be told yes then get there for them to say your to big. Honestly I'm not big just average. From all the porn flicks I've seen those guys are way bigger then what I'm packing 🤣.
It is hard to get away right now except for a short period of time. I live near the SW / Grandville area and am curious if there are any good providers working in that area right now. Seems most of the girls are on the east side of GR.
It is hard to get away right now except for a short period of time. I live near the SW / Grandville area and am curious if there are any good providers working in that area right now. Seems most of the girls are on the east side of GR.
Curious if anyone has seen stormy? I see she hasn't posted since the beginning of March. Probably back at the Kent County Hilton.
[QUOTE=JTeam1;5841425]It is hard to get away right now except for a short period of time. I live near the SW / Grandville area and am curious if there are any good providers working in that area right now. Seems most of the girls are on the east side of GR.[/QUOTE]You might want to check out Jaye and Sarah. Not in Grandville, but also not too far away, on 28th Street.
Jaye: [URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/jaye/858510258933[/URL].
Sarah: [URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/caring-and-fun/415294101839[/URL].
It's a shame that Luxe Bodyworks moved, because their old location would have been really convenient for you. Current location is near Pacific, so maybe that isn't too bad for you.
Luxe: [URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/luxe-is-open-come-relax-and-u/320962187301[/URL].
And the best option may be Bodywork by Us. [URL]https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/exotic/bbu/199034882009[/URL].
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Would like everyone to know my recent post was deleted for reasons by big bro that don't make sense. I in no way was I implying or attempting to discourage anyone from posting here nor was it a public effort. Seems like big bro doesn't like when we don't play along. So sharing options and actual stories isn't allowed unless it fits an incriminating narrative? Be safe out there!
I have the info you seek, let me know when I can PM, thanks!
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;5837555]This is not me bragging but asking for legit ladies that will do greek and not complain that my dick is to big. It's rather irritating to be told yes then get there for them to say your to big. Honestly I'm not big just average. From all the porn flicks I've seen those guys are way bigger then what I'm packing 🤣.[/QUOTE]If you've never taken a dick in your ass then you really don't have any say on this. Somebody can agree to something and then when they see what it looks like when it's fully erect, they have every right to say no. Assholes are irreplaceable and I'm not trying to screw mine up permanently. People suffer from fecal incontinence from anal sex.
[QUOTE=AdorableRose;5850439]If you've never taken a dick in your ass then you really don't have any say on this. Somebody can agree to something and then when they see what it looks like when it's fully erect, they have every right to say no. Assholes are irreplaceable and I'm not trying to screw mine up permanently. People suffer from fecal incontinence from anal sex.[/QUOTE]Having an above average size Johnson is a curse. I have had girls say no way more than once. A few couldn't even handle regular intercourse. I am 6'8" and it is proportional to my body size.
[QUOTE=Stb421;5550963]I was lucky enough to get to see Lexi last night. Was in the middle of a little home repair project when I got her info, so was a little late making contact and meeting up (sorry Benz).
But she was still wanting to meet. Got her the apple brandy that was requested, found a nice secluded spot. Some nice small talk to get acquainted, then got in the back and she was ready to get started.
Her oral skills are excellent she's going to be right up there with Breezi and Jasmine. After I cim, she stopped looked up, then went back to it for a few more minutes. She is still on the fence but is interested in doing more next time.
Said she wants to work on her greek skills since she knows alot of guys like that. I'm looking forward to helping her out LOL.
On the bad side, she says she currently has two BFs. So if we learned anything from SBJ, boyfriends tend to get in the way of things. Hopefully she can keep it to business.
Right now she is only taking referrals from Benz. Trying to take it slow. Looks like we have a winner if she joins the team.[/QUOTE]Lexiluv is back.
She contacted me at 8 am this morning looking for some attention.
[QUOTE=Benz1;5861245]Lexiluv is back.
She contacted me at 8 am this morning looking for some attention.[/QUOTE]Definitely interested in seeing her.
[QUOTE=Benz1;5861245]Lexiluv is back.
She contacted me at 8 am this morning looking for some attention.[/QUOTE]Pm'd you sir.
Lexiluv has been gone for a year.
I met her for one of her very smooth delicate Blow Jobs this afternoon.
She's willing to come back very cautiously because the last date she had from our team was not nice. Left her bruised and traumatized.
UTRs are not hookers.
She let me know, she's only willing to see the two who treated her nice.
Looks like one guy ruined it for the rest.
[QUOTE=Benz1;5861664]Lexiluv has been gone for a year.
I met her for one of her very smooth delicate Blow Jobs this afternoon.
She's willing to come back very cautiously because the last date she had from our team was not nice. Left her bruised and traumatized.
UTRs are not hookers.
She let me know, she's only willing to see the two who treated her nice.
Looks like one guy ruined it for the rest.[/QUOTE]Would be interested too bad some asshole ruined it.
[QUOTE=Benz1;5861664]Lexiluv has been gone for a year.
I met her for one of her very smooth delicate Blow Jobs this afternoon.
She's willing to come back very cautiously because the last date she had from our team was not nice. Left her bruised and traumatized.
UTRs are not hookers.
She let me know, she's only willing to see the two who treated her nice.
Looks like one guy ruined it for the rest.[/QUOTE]Trading money for sex is prostitution nothing more nothing less prostitutes are also known as hookers Among other things. Just because somebody's a UTR doesn't make them an angel.
[QUOTE=Sailor42;5865035]Trading money for sex is prostitution nothing more nothing less prostitutes are also known as hookers Among other things. Just because somebody's a UTR doesn't make them an angel.[/QUOTE]Point well taken.
However, if you treat a new girl that's very skittish like a hooker, she will recoil and we won't see her again.
That's my point.
We're starting over with an outstanding UTR that's only willing to see myself and two others at this point. it took a long time to get her out of her shell and it might be longer this time.
It was an easy comfortable car date on Thursday afternoon. I took her to get her nails done and brought her back home. She spent most of her car date money on her nails. Not drugs. I think she's a rare find in this hobby. Trust has become a bigger issue this time around
Hopefully she'll come around for the team again.
A question more than a report. Over the years I have had providers that squirt. Happened again just recently. I have mixed thoughts / feelings about it. On the one hand I guess it is kind of hot but then again just not so sure. I was interested in what some of my fellow mongers thought?