General Reports

Research, research, research then act on your own better judgement and not someone else's. Board status and friendships are just that and nothing more unless you have sat across the table and broken bread with someone. Risk takers are not necessarily the big gainers in this world because what you see is not always what you get or want!

Safety should always be your number one priority so don't text and drive, always wear your seat belts, and never cross a busy intersection when the light is green.

Fake Mongers.

Mongers and providers there are some mongers that are fakes. Some of them are providers that had created fake mongers, have done some fake reviews of providers of BP and then have given good reviews to them self. These fake mongers are easy to catch just click on their name and then in their forum post. Read their reviews and try to even contact the reviewed providers and you will find out that the reviews, and providers are fake.

Note number one.

[QUOTE=Hotrodvfr;1696324]Just as a heads up I think uncle may be using the phones of busted girls as part of their traps. In the past 4 days I've had 3 different providers I haven't seen in months text me out of the blue saying how much they miss me and want to see me again. 1 maybe, but it would be out of character, but 3 in less than a week, what are the odds?[/QUOTE]

About the other provider look under Dade County. I got confused between forum. I working with the forum in Dade County because there is a lot of talent but the members need help. Laws are different over there. A LEO could get dirty and be ok and a monger or provider could get arrested just by walking in to a room where is green paper a guy and a girl for the intention. But yes I found that there are a lot of fake members in the forum as you can see in the most resent postings. My apologies for the confusion Those that I have PM understand my present situation. To all I am running out PMs.

[QUOTE=ILuvWomen2; 1696691]I remember when I first joined the board that one of the most consistent piece of advice was to RTFF. So I did / do, its a pain in the ass to look back at a lot of posts, but safety 1st. It was suggested once, that the ladies commenting on the posts of mongers were not only a good way for to verify the ladies but also the monger.

So my intent personally when I started venturing out was to see ladies who were active on this board and had been visited by senior members that were longstanding.

This isn't the case anymore. What you see frequently is:

*A lot of newbies that claim to see ladies that are not active on this board (I. E. Streetwalkers, BP ads, etc) and therefore can not deny that the monger is a liar or acknowledge that he is LEO.

*Newbies that post a lot as far as discussions, but never offer a verifiable review.

*Fake profiles created by ladies either to defame other ladies or gain cred (this is not new)

* Profiles that could be LEO that try and befriend Sr. Members (see Italian NY) and post like crazy but are still regular members.

I myself have not posted a lot, but if anyone ever looked at my posts, they could see that if I offered a review, a lady gave a response to it. Thus if you have seen that provider, and see that the provider has acknowledged seeing the monger, you have some insight to their validity.

There is no way to verify every monger on here, but I have stuck with this method. Don't remember the Sr member that suggested it, but thanks!

And I would suggest looking back at some of the posts that guys are putting up. Any one can say they saw a BP chick and you can't just take their word for it.

Everyone be safe and trust the people that you can tell are verified. Is it possible or even a good idea to start a thread of usernames that are acknowledged as phoneys?[/QUOTE]Agree with you for the most part but a couple of things. This is my first post in Orlando section I believe (I'm relocating to this area later this year) , maybe it's different on this side of the board and Florida but where I usually am Jax / Daytona there are not a lot of girls who are active posters here, except an ad posted here and there. I did have an exchange here with a legit provider though it was regarding her tricking me and wasn't a pleasant exchange to say the least, but it validated me as a legit monger. However, regarding newbies that post a lot with discussions but not reviews. In this economy I wish I could be more active, I lost my job last year and have been living off savings, I do engage when I can spare something but I'm sticking with my regs for the time being. I think a lot of people probably in the same situation as me, believe me I'd love to participate more and try something new.

[QUOTE=Iamaries54;1696283]Remember the monger who was collecting a trusted provider / monger list here it would be an interesting list to see. There are sr members who are pimps, Leo and just about anything else here.[/QUOTE]There you thank you for your post!

Your last post was that you where going to the club but never got a response from you did you make the trip or you didn't did you make the trip and didn't came back or you just want to keep it to your self?

[QUOTE=Tasteless;1668260]Hey guys I was thinking of checking out the paradise men's club in melbourne tomorrow, any reviews on it, has anyone frequented it recently? Would love some feedback. Thanks![/QUOTE]

If your implying I'm a fake you can go take a long walk on a short pier skippy. I've been around these parts for years and if you checked my posting history you'd know that. I don't blow up the board with posts because I only post when I have something I think may be useful to others. If someone asks a question I will respond if I have some info. I don't post me too reviews because I find them rather pointless. Generally I only review new girls if the experience was exceptionally good or exceptionally bad. If an experience is Meh I leave it only and chalk it up to YMMV and will only comment publicly on it in response to an inquiry. Most new encounters are pretty blah so not that much ti post about. I like a particular type of girl which frankly there not that many of so I tend to see same girls over and over, ni&357; worth posting about. You can generally find me killing time at one if the beach clubs if you want to have a discussion in person.

Now as to then general discussion of LEO watching and comments on the boards leading to arrest. This subject seems to POP up periodically. I will restate the position I've taken several times before, which once again is available for those who have checked my posting history. And that is essentially nothing posted here matters. Unless the girl is completely UTR the cops know about. I have no doubt that MBI monitors this and other boards. As soon as a girl advertises here or on BP, or CV, or Craigslist or Eros or where ever she's presumed to be a prostitute. Graphic reviews or no if she's being discussed in these circles its assumed she's working. Now as to how they target who to go after I imagine they act like all government employees, responding to complaints or going after some low hanging fruit every now and then to justify their budgets. No grand conspiracy or analysis of post needed. Nothing posted here can ever be evidence in court. And the girls have to make a mistake to end up in custody. Those at fixed location care higher risk because they know where they are and it only takes 1 Jesus crispy neighbor to complain. So all this let's keep it secret and only PM I think is pretty pointless. But hay opinions are like assholes.

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish;1698325]Note number one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish;1698611]Your last post was that you where going to the club but never got a response from you did you make the trip or you didn't did you make the trip and didn't came back or you just want to keep it to your self?[/QUOTE]I ended up going to the inner room. Stephanie wasn't working the day I went.

I have no first hand knowledge that LEO can use post on this board as court room evidence, however it does seem reasonable that they could subpoena board post and present them to the court as evidence. At this point if you plead not guilty you will be judged by your peers whom may or may not see things your way. I am just saying a guy who leaves an detailed review of a provider along with photos is taking more of a risk In a jury setting then a guy who just leaves a review with no photos. In the end it boils down to reasonable doubt and we all know how well that played out for Casey Anthony. Just my two cents.

Anyone that read the 53 page court documents for LUVSGFE can attest to this. There were reviews on certain girls from The OthER forum that were indeed, included and submitted as evidence.

[QUOTE=Plzd269;1699004]I have no first hand knowledge that LEO can use post on this board as court room evidence, however it does seem reasonable that they could subpoena board post and present them to the court as evidence. At this point if you plead not guilty you will be judged by your peers whom may or may not see things your way. I am just saying a guy who leaves an detailed review of a provider along with photos is taking more of a risk In a jury setting then a guy who just leaves a review with no photos. In the end it boils down to reasonable doubt and we all know how well that played out for Casey Anthony. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]Jackson has spoken about this before. These servers are held in another country, and could never be subpoenaed.

Víno you're a buddy of mine but its time for a little education. What is in the luvsgfe file is a bunch of Crap MBI threw together to support probable cause not evidence. When old Bird goes to trial that will have zero bearing in determining his guilt or innocence. What it was is a political document saying I spent months investigating and look at this big pile of stuff I have see my budget is justified. It was also known that the media would take an interest in this case and just used to embarrass people. But in an actual court it means jack. Basic problem with is there us ni way to establish the accuracy of. Just because Fishboy says girl x did why and z doesn't mean, it happened. Hell we all know people lie on the board. Just showing the advertising would have been enough.

This is a prime example of why if busted people shouldn't say shit until they talk to a lawyer. The cops do this we know x, why, and z routine to get people to incriminate themselves. But in actuality what the have or 'know' doesn't mean shit in a court of law. People need to know and understand their rights and the law. Cops count ob your ignorance. Don't trust me, talk to lawyer friends, do your own research.

[QUOTE=Vino 7373;1699088]Anyone that read the 53 page court documents for LUVSGFE can attest to this. There were reviews on certain girls from The OthER forum that were indeed, included and submitted as evidence.[/QUOTE]

OK you took a different take out on it than I had. I viewed through the lenses of 'your graphic review got my favorite girl busted'. No it didn't. Now you seem to take the evidence against the monger. In which case you're if they can establish what your handle tie it to your real name, establish that ni one else had access to the account then yes it could be used against and it would be bad. Now its technically possible for the cops to do all those things. Possible but extremely difficult. For a misdemeanor prostitution charge, ni&357; worth the effort to the cops.

[QUOTE=Plzd269;1699004]I have no first hand knowledge that LEO can use post on this board as court room evidence, however it does seem reasonable that they could subpoena board post and present them to the court as evidence. At this point if you plead not guilty you will be judged by your peers whom may or may not see things your way. I am just saying a guy who leaves an detailed review of a provider along with photos is taking more of a risk In a jury setting then a guy who just leaves a review with no photos. In the end it boils down to reasonable doubt and we all know how well that played out for Casey Anthony. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]

Has any one tried this place?

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-openingnew-beautiful-asian-staff-10-off/7707414[/url]

If not, I'll give it a shot, just didn't want to duplicate a failed effort if it was already tested.

[QUOTE=Ftguy68;1699128]Jackson has spoken about this before. These servers are held in another country, and could never be subpoenaed[/QUOTE][blue]===============================================

Hi guys,

A forum member contacted me to express his concerns that this report contains too much information and thus could somehow be used by LE. Just to put this in perspective:

1. Please don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town. There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website.

2. No Forum Member had ever been detained, questioned or investigated as a result of information that they or others posted on this Forum.

3. No information in this Forum has ever been used in any prosecution. It's simply not qualified evidence.

[b]4. The police have never contacted this website or requested any information from me about any Forum Member, and they never will because the Forum's servers are located in Montreal, Canada, safely beyond the reach of the USA court system. [/b]

5. Nobody who works for the forum is in the USA.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Hotrodvfr;1699302]OK you took a different take out on it than I had. I viewed through the lenses of 'your graphic review got my favorite girl busted'. No it didn't. Now you seem to take the evidence against the monger. In which case you're if they can establish what your handle tie it to your real name, establish that ni one else had access to the account then yes it could be used against and it would be bad. Now its technically possible for the cops to do all those things. Possible but extremely difficult. For a misdemeanor prostitution charge, ni&357; worth the effort to the cops.[/QUOTE]These reports are hearsay! Hearsay can't be used as evidence against someone. There is no way to prove it actually happened unless they can put the author on the witness stand!

From what I understand what happened in the LUVSGFE bust is the following. The LUVSGFE girls had a male friend probably a monger, manager, or pimp, which is all the same to me. Because his ego got in to his head because he thought that he was in charge of such group of girls he started keeping notes of the LUVSGFE visitors, name, address, phone number, work, work number, email, and so on. The guy got arrested by some other situation and LEO found the note book on his position that now is property of LEO and went in to investigation and that is how LEO got to this forum. That is why is not smart to visit a monger house for an appointment. It has happened before the neighbors complain and LEO starts investigating. For a provider is not safe to stay in the same location for more than a week. Lets say a monger provides his place for the providers for some affection. Lets say this monger starts taking pictures of the providers with his cell phone. Lets say that this guy gets pull over for a DUI or arrested for some other reason. Lets say that the LEO goes through his cell phone files and starts seeing pictures of different naked girls in the same house and so on. LEO is going to investigate more into detail the photos and girls. In Florida there is a law that if more than six woman cannot live under the same roof because it could be a cabaret of some kind. So now our friend monger becomes a pimp and LEO sits him down for some questions and makes him sweat and he cracks.

Like I said before this has happened before in Brevard County years ago and some provider friends of mine that used their apartment for their appointment. The best thing for all of us to stay mobile. My provider friends used their apartment for their appointments they even provided to the apartment complex workers and they still got a visit from LEO. This girls where top of the line providers no drugs, no pimps, no drama, just come in and enjoy. All these girls did was work out and provide so yes they were hot and young.

Additionally lets say you make a review of a provider and post a picture of her in the forum. So, you are safe but her picture will be always in the Internet, which it means is public property. Later this girl becomes a mother and in some way this picture comes back to hunt her. What could happen to her and her family because some selfish monger decided to show his most recent trophy?

Some people don't like my comments but I got 100 s of PM complementing about my comments so I guess I'm doing something right.

Yes you could say that you are lying but what are you going to tell you wife, and how are you going to bring a court excuse to work?

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish; 1699437]From what I understand what happened in the LUVSGFE bust is the following. The LUVSGFE girls had a male friend probably a monger, manager, or pimp, which is all the same to me. Because his ego got in to his head because he thought that he was in charge of such group of girls he started keeping notes of the LUVSGFE visitors, name, address, phone number, work, work number, email, and so on. The guy got arrested by some other situation and LEO found the note book on his position that now is property of LEO and went in to investigation and that is how LEO got to this forum. That is why is not smart to visit a monger house for an appointment. It has happened before the neighbors complain and LEO starts investigating. For a provider is not safe to stay in the same location for more than a week. Lets say a monger provides his place for the providers for some affection. Lets say this monger starts taking pictures of the providers with his cell phone. Lets say that this guy gets pull over for a DUI or arrested for some other reason. Lets say that the LEO goes through his cell phone files and starts seeing pictures of different naked girls in the same house and so on. LEO is going to investigate more into detail the photos and girls. In Florida there is a law that if more than six woman cannot live under the same roof because it could be a cabaret of some kind. So now our friend monger becomes a pimp and LEO sits him down for some questions and makes him sweat and he cracks.

Like I said before this has happened before in Brevard County years ago and some provider friends of mine that used their apartment for their appointment. The best thing for all of us to stay mobile. My provider friends used their apartment for their appointments they even provided to the apartment complex workers and they still got a visit from LEO. This girls where top of the line providers no drugs, no pimps, no drama, just come in and enjoy. All these girls did was work out and provide so yes they were hot and young.

Additionally lets say you make a review of a provider and post a picture of her in the forum. So, you are safe but her picture will be always in the Internet, which it means is public property. Later this girl becomes a mother and in some way this picture comes back to hunt her. What could happen to her and her family because some selfish monger decided to show his most recent trophy?

Some people don't like my comments but I got 100 s of PM complementing about my comments so I guess I'm doing something right.

Yes you could say that you are lying but what are you going to tell you wife, and how are you going to bring a court excuse to work?[/QUOTE]I don't know first hand but there was talk that this manager also made videos without the mongers knowledge. I assume the providers knew about the taping.

[QUOTE=Jerry Ll;1699531]I don't know first hand but there was talk that this manager also made videos without the mongers knowledge. I assume the providers knew about the taping.[/QUOTE]That is true.

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish;1699613]That is true.[/QUOTE]No not true let's change the subject.

[quote=jrbigfish;1699437]additionally lets say you make a review of a provider and post a picture of her in the forum. so, you are safe but her picture will be always in the internet, which it means is public property. later this girl becomes a mother and in some way this picture comes back to hunt her. what could happen to her and her family because some selfish monger decided to show his most recent trophy?[/quote]one of the greatest things we have in this country is our ability to make choices for ourselves. i get that some people are visual and like pictures, & some even like videos. but in the pictures posted and maybe video recorded there are usually 2 people involved that make choices. the person behind the camera and the person in front.

my point is i don't think that anyone is forcing someone to pose for pictures or do whatever else these adults decide to do behind closed doors. if 2 consulting, of age, adults make choices to take pictures, pose for pictures, i personally feel that as adults that's there fight and they do so knowing the possibilities of their choices.

if a woman agrees to let someone take her photo or record her, sometimes even getting compensated for it, why chastise a monger for posting the pictures if she gave permission.

that's like these celebrities that make videos and the it gets "leaked" and they are the victim. bullcrap. they have to sign off and end up getting paid for it. and most times its a marketing ploy.

i respect everyone and their ability to choose. as adults we should already weigh out the consequences of our choices, and i have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone that makes choices like posing for pictures that are posted online. unless they were done without permission or if it involves someone ****, in those cases the perpetrator should have their asses handed to them.

i personally won't take pictures, or videos because that's not my thing, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=ILuvWomen2;1699665]One of the greatest things we have in this country is our ability to make choices for ourselves. I get that some people are visual and like pictures, & some even like videos. But in the pictures posted and maybe video recorded there are usually 2 people involved that make choices. The person behind the camera and the person in front.[/QUOTE]I always ask (and I think most mongers do too) before snapping any photos. Yeah, most say no, but those who say OK know what they're consenting to.

[quote=iluvwomen2; 1699665]one of the greatest things we have in this country is our ability to make choices for ourselves. i get that some people are visual and like pictures, & some even like videos. but in the pictures posted and maybe video recorded there are usually 2 people involved that make choices. the person behind the camera and the person in front.

my point is i don't think that anyone is forcing someone to pose for pictures or do whatever else these adults decide to do behind closed doors. if 2 consulting, of age, adults make choices to take pictures, pose for pictures, i personally feel that as adults that's there fight and they do so knowing the possibilities of their choices.

if a woman agrees to let someone take her photo or record her, sometimes even getting compensated for it, why chastise a monger for posting the pictures if she gave permission.

that's like these celebrities that make videos and the it gets "leaked" and they are the victim. bullcrap. they have to sign off and end up getting paid for it. and most times its a marketing ploy.

i respect everyone and their ability to choose. as adults we should already weigh out the consequences of our choices, and i have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone that makes choices like posing for pictures that are posted online. unless they were done without permission or if it involves someone ****, in those cases the perpetrator should have their asses handed to them.

i personally won't take pictures, or videos because that's not my thing, but to each his own.[/quote]probably you wold not like me to take a picture of you nude showing your face and just posting it in the forum with out asking for your permission first? why do think that you can't take pictures in an strip bar, or in a elementary school. pictures provide location and information about someone. go to south beach with a real nice ans obvious camera and let me know how people look at you.

[QUOTE=Java Junkie;1699800]I always ask (and I think most mongers do too) before snapping any photos. Yeah, most say no, but those who say OK know what they're consenting to.[/QUOTE]I believe there is the legal issue as well of taking nude / topless pictures of someone in the state of Fl without their permission. Same applies to recording conversations etc without a disclaimer. Safe thing is, just ask, if they say no, find someone that doesn't care. Most times I have found they don't care as long as you don't capture the face.

If the forum moderators want to start New thread. I will expound on this legal premise, so far everyone is incorrect re: privacy, sovereignty of servers, and expectation of privacy or lack thereof. All of these issues, on point, have been addressed in the last 2 weeks by Fed. Appeals Courts. You can easily Google them. (I will not give legal / illegal advice)

[QUOTE=Luknaround;1699917]I believe there is the legal issue as well of taking nude / topless pictures of someone in the state of Fl without their permission. Same applies to recording conversations etc without a disclaimer. Safe thing is, just ask, if they say no, find someone that doesn't care. Most times I have found they don't care as long as you don't capture the face.[/QUOTE]#1- You have no expectation of privacy when you are in a pubic place so no releases are necessary, including anywhere in public, even nude beaches.

#2-There is currently a lot of flack about nude pics showing up on the internet however Florida currently has no law against it, it was reported on the news the other night, some politician is currently working on legislation. See Link below. Read between the lines, who is going to try and enforce it, the intimidation of the law might work but to try and "PROVE" who put it uppics from an anonymous ISP would be almost impossible.

VS.

[url]http://www.11alive.com/news/article/281556/40/Proposed-Fla-law-puts-limits-on-posting-naked-pictures-on-Internet[/url]

A provider who accepted the kindness of a monger to use his house during her visit, sometime when she was not paying attention someone grab her cell and noted her BF phone number and probably mine. Sometime later the monger called her BF and told her BF what she was doing in Florida. Because of that and her reviews with the colorful description of the dream plus her picture on each review now she is in world of sh!t. She is a mother, and had a BF at home a family that you decided to destroy. What a rat? Because my contacts numbers were in the providers phone probably this is the same person who being doing threats calls to me from a block number. Dude you are a coward. If you got the cojones to make a threat call don't hide behind a block number. The guy is so insane that also has being calling my parents and threatening them too. You are a coward! Soon or later you are going to get caught. The calls started at 2:00 am on February the 25th. About the threats you are not even good at it. You are a coward. You going to be the next serial killer on the news. I'm not afraid of you. Providers be careful with who you trust. Don't let your personal belongings around any monger. There are a lot of wolves on sheep cloth. Fellow mongers don’t have friends like this rat. We are supposed to keep a safe environment for providers and mongers. Going after a provider’s family? You are a sociopath! Families are secret! JR

Why would your contacts be in a providers phone. And what provider would trust a monger. Sounds like all around poor judgement. And we all know the saying DTA-Don't Trust Anybody. Especially in this hobby. You do realize what this is right?

[QUOTE=BackJack;1700470]Why would your contacts be in a providers phone. And what provider would trust a monger. Sounds like all around poor judgement. And we all know the saying DTA-Don't Trust Anybody. Especially in this hobby. You do realize what this is right?[/QUOTE]Ahh. All the providers that I have meet they have kept my contact phone so when they want to see me again they just call me and I keep theirs in case that I want to see them again. Also I keep in touch with them to inform them about any LEO activity (stay away from this area) or if they need help for something like change a flat tire of her car. For example I may help a provider to move next week and all this I do it to just to help them I do not want to go dancing because I just fixed their washer machine. When I do want to go dancing with them is just like any regular dancing night. One rainy night a provider called me that her car die and she needed help so I just went and help her and she told me I do not know how I'm going to pay you I just told her I'm just glad that you are ok. I do not see a lot of providers probably 3 a year but we also met for dimer or for some drinks and I have being told that is nice from me to meet them for such things not only for dancing. A few providers know more personal information about me, and one or two have meet my family.

Most of the providers they know how far to go and when to stop with kind of different activities because they really know what they are doing and the providers that I see are from the top well reviewed. Even some providers have trusted me for taking care of their house when they are out of town. I'm sorry that you haven't such good providers or I guess I'm not the regular monger or maybe I'm doing this wrong. I respect the providers I see and don't look down on them. I met my first provider 5. 8 years ago? And I still talk to her regularly to my first provider and sometimes we go dancing. She calls me her boy. She introduces to me her friends to me and lest me go dancing with them as long I come back. But you see some mongers get jealous that I could develop friendship a provider. And probably this is because I just do not see a provider as a disposable tool. And this is how all this problems starts why you trust him and not me, you can't see him anymore. Also, I have seen providers that I know they can't be trusted so we just dance and good bye.

So BJ I hope that this answer you question. If I do not trust a provider I won't review her, I won't recommend her and I won't see her again. You know how to do the trust check do you? Leave your pants with a few $$ in the room with the provider and a crack head won't resist that. Live behind something valuable like an $20 cell phone wait 10 min in your car to see if she will bring it to you if not go to the front desk and tell the clerk to call the room to tell her that you are left your cell phone behind, live behind a cancelled credit card and if she don't call you back she is just trouble. Or maybe I am doing something wrong.

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish; 1700896]Ahh. All the providers that I have meet they have kept my contact phone so when they want to see me again they just call me and I keep theirs in case that I want to see them again. Also I keep in touch with them to inform them about any LEO activity (stay away from this area) or if they need help for something like change a flat tire of her car. For example I may help a provider to move next week and all this I do it to just to help them I do not want to go dancing because I just fixed their washer machine. When I do want to go dancing with them is just like any regular dancing night. One rainy night a provider called me that her car die and she needed help so I just went and help her and she told me I do not know how I'm going to pay you I just told her I'm just glad that you are ok. I do not see a lot of providers probably 3 a year but we also met for dimer or for some drinks and I have being told that is nice from me to meet them for such things not only for dancing. A few providers know more personal information about me, and one or two have meet my family.

Most of the providers they know how far to go and when to stop with kind of different activities because they really know what they are doing and the providers that I see are from the top well reviewed. Even some providers have trusted me for taking care of their house when they are out of town. I'm sorry that you haven't such good providers or I guess I'm not the regular monger or maybe I'm doing this wrong. I respect the providers I see and don't look down on them. I met my first provider 5. 8 years ago? And I still talk to her regularly to my first provider and sometimes we go dancing. She calls me her boy. She introduces to me her friends to me and lest me go dancing with them as long I come back. But you see some mongers get jealous that I could develop friendship a provider. And probably this is because I just do not see a provider as a disposable tool. And this is how all this problems starts why you trust him and not me, you can't see him anymore. Also, I have seen providers that I know they can't be trusted so we just dance and good bye.

So BJ I hope that this answer you question. If I do not trust a provider I won't review her, I won't recommend her and I won't see her again. You know how to do the trust check do you? Leave your pants with a few $$ in the room with the provider and a crack head won't resist that. Live behind something valuable like an $20 cell phone wait 10 min in your car to see if she will bring it to you if not go to the front desk and tell the clerk to call the room to tell her that you are left your cell phone behind, live behind a cancelled credit card and if she don't call you back she is just trouble. Or maybe I am doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]Not HER Parents. Don't understand how she has your parents phone number. I am totally lost?

[QUOTE=BackJack;1700470]Why would your contacts be in a providers phone. And what provider would trust a monger. Sounds like all around poor judgement. And we all know the saying DTA-Don't Trust Anybody. Especially in this hobby. You do realize what this is right?[/QUOTE]I don't trust a lot of people, but it comes to say- I do trust a handful of mongers. Idk about contacts in Anyones phones, I don't save ANYONES number for safety, confidentiality and straight respect. But your right, don't trust just anyone, that would be rather foolish.

Xoxo,

Kim

Maybe it is me, I wonder how many "others" live life with such a "homogenized" view?

You know what, I don't want to know.

I have to agree with Jr. I have to say that I like helping the providers, and have only helped a couple out on this board. If they asked me for help, and I'm able to, I'll help them out. I'm not looking for a dance ticket, and knowing some of these ladies play in the hobby can be refreshing. Plus it's nice to chat and be a little open.

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish; 1700896]Ahh. All the providers that I have meet they have kept my contact phone so when they want to see me again they just call me and I keep theirs in case that I want to see them again. Also I keep in touch with them to inform them about any LEO activity (stay away from this area) or if they need help for something like change a flat tire of her car. For example I may help a provider to move next week and all this I do it to just to help them I do not want to go dancing because I just fixed their washer machine. When I do want to go dancing with them is just like any regular dancing night. One rainy night a provider called me that her car die and she needed help so I just went and help her and she told me I do not know how I'm going to pay you I just told her I'm just glad that you are ok. I do not see a lot of providers probably 3 a year but we also met for dimer or for some drinks and I have being told that is nice from me to meet them for such things not only for dancing. A few providers know more personal information about me, and one or two have meet my family.

Most of the providers they know how far to go and when to stop with kind of different activities because they really know what they are doing and the providers that I see are from the top well reviewed. Even some providers have trusted me for taking care of their house when they are out of town. I'm sorry that you haven't such good providers or I guess I'm not the regular monger or maybe I'm doing this wrong. I respect the providers I see and don't look down on them. I met my first provider 5. 8 years ago? And I still talk to her regularly to my first provider and sometimes we go dancing. She calls me her boy. She introduces to me her friends to me and lest me go dancing with them as long I come back. But you see some mongers get jealous that I could develop friendship a provider. And probably this is because I just do not see a provider as a disposable tool. And this is how all this problems starts why you trust him and not me, you can't see him anymore. Also, I have seen providers that I know they can't be trusted so we just dance and good bye.

So BJ I hope that this answer you question. If I do not trust a provider I won't review her, I won't recommend her and I won't see her again. You know how to do the trust check do you? Leave your pants with a few $$ in the room with the provider and a crack head won't resist that. Live behind something valuable like an $20 cell phone wait 10 min in your car to see if she will bring it to you if not go to the front desk and tell the clerk to call the room to tell her that you are left your cell phone behind, live behind a cancelled credit card and if she don't call you back she is just trouble. Or maybe I am doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]

I agree about bring there to help the ladies outside of the hobby. Introductions to family members and all is placing alot of trust and faith. I agree with part of Jr's post. Not all of it.

[QUOTE=Twilight;1701186]I have to agree with Jr. I have to say that I like helping the providers, and have only helped a couple out on this board. If they asked me for help, and I'm able to, I'll help them out. I'm not looking for a dance ticket, and knowing some of these ladies play in the hobby can be refreshing. Plus it's nice to chat and be a little open.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Twilight;1701529]I agree about bring there to help the ladies outside of the hobby. Introductions to family members and all is placing alot of trust and faith. I agree with part of Jr's post. Not all of it.[/QUOTE]Yes man but lets say that you have a provider at home and your parents pay you a surprise visit. Dad, Mom. She is not really here, she is a ghost, she is my neighbor and we were playing doctor, what girl, she was already when I came from work, or she obligated me! But there are girls out there that had made me baby sit their kids wile the go shopping and I have meet their family. So, it is a risk but I guess they trust me that much is because either I'm doing something very well or very bad. I keep saying JG is the best example of a good provider.

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish;1701596]Yes man but lets say that you have a provider at home and your parents pay you a surprise visit. Dad, Mom. She is not really here, she is a ghost, she is my neighbor and we were playing doctor, what girl, she was already when I came from work, or she obligated me! But there are girls out there that had made me baby sit their kids wile the go shopping and I have meet their family. So, it is a risk but I guess they trust me that much is because either I'm doing something very well or very bad. I keep saying JG is the best example of a good provider.[/QUOTE]You bring them to your house? Man are you ok? You are setting yourslef up for all kinds of shit. My best friend god rest his soul. Got set up for the same stuff. Keep girlfriends and providers separate. You can keep, kids etc. A Provider is a Provider is a Provider. Are you getting freebies to baby etc, while she provides? Not worth it.

[QUOTE=Jrbigfish; 1700896]Ahh. All the providers that I have meet they have kept my contact phone so when they want to see me again they just call me and I keep theirs in case that I want to see them again. Also I keep in touch with them to inform them about any LEO activity (stay away from this area) or if they need help for something like change a flat tire of her car. For example I may help a provider to move next week and all this I do it to just to help them I do not want to go dancing because I just fixed their washer machine. When I do want to go dancing with them is just like any regular dancing night. One rainy night a provider called me that her car die and she needed help so I just went and help her and she told me I do not know how I'm going to pay you I just told her I'm just glad that you are ok. I do not see a lot of providers probably 3 a year but we also met for dimer or for some drinks and I have being told that is nice from me to meet them for such things not only for dancing. A few providers know more personal information about me, and one or two have meet my family.

Most of the providers they know how far to go and when to stop with kind of different activities because they really know what they are doing and the providers that I see are from the top well reviewed. Even some providers have trusted me for taking care of their house when they are out of town. I'm sorry that you haven't such good providers or I guess I'm not the regular monger or maybe I'm doing this wrong. I respect the providers I see and don't look down on them. I met my first provider 5. 8 years ago? And I still talk to her regularly to my first provider and sometimes we go dancing. She calls me her boy. She introduces to me her friends to me and lest me go dancing with them as long I come back. But you see some mongers get jealous that I could develop friendship a provider. And probably this is because I just do not see a provider as a disposable tool. And this is how all this problems starts why you trust him and not me, you can't see him anymore. Also, I have seen providers that I know they can't be trusted so we just dance and good bye.

So BJ I hope that this answer you question. If I do not trust a provider I won't review her, I won't recommend her and I won't see her again. You know how to do the trust check do you? Leave your pants with a few $$ in the room with the provider and a crack head won't resist that. Live behind something valuable like an $20 cell phone wait 10 min in your car to see if she will bring it to you if not go to the front desk and tell the clerk to call the room to tell her that you are left your cell phone behind, live behind a cancelled credit card and if she don't call you back she is just trouble. Or maybe I am doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]About only time a provider will call or text a monger is when she is "jonesing" and needs either the drug or money to buy the drug. Yes, occasionally a newby will make this mistake in the beginning of their career but it is not a common occurrence. They don't love or want you.

There is an extreme amount of information missing from your posts I know it and so do you. Trying to get agreement on your various positions and behavior from the members is not going to work.

Lending money to someone capable of making a lot of money, watching their children, watching their home, going out of state to visit them etc, etc, is not normal monger behavior and this behavior is the root cause of all your problems. Change the behavior and you will eliminate the drama and the problem.

Fellow mongers: A lot of this justification on here is because of a lot of B / C Pm's involving several members, I hope the members are learning from this group of posts. All the best to anyone in this situation, like many things in my life I learned it the hard way.

VS

[QUOTE=BackJack;1701892]You bring them to your house? Man are you ok? You are setting yourslef up for all kinds of shit. My best friend god rest his soul. Got set up for the same stuff. Keep girlfriends and providers separate. You can keep, kids etc. A Provider is a Provider is a Provider. Are you getting freebies to baby etc, while she provides? Not worth it.[/QUOTE]You are right. But he have good talent in that there are trust worthy. But it just take one.

Just wondering if anyone has seen this provider. Not to far from me and was thinking of giving her a call.

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