"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Found the site and am very interested.

Do you think they do incall arrangements? Cannot host currently.

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;4550596]Found the site and am very interested.

Do you think they do incall arrangements? Cannot host currently.[/QUOTE]They'll send a girl to you 24 hrs a day. I have rewards and got a hotel room. Don't text though. I tried and it doesn't work. You can't get a girl through text. You have to call to get a girl.

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;4550596]Found the site and am very interested.

Do you think they do incall arrangements? Cannot host currently.[/QUOTE]Hard to say but I think Sirens will separate the Pros from the SBs. AS far as in-call I suspect that they will. Decent hotel room used many times a day probably by many girls. I can't imagine that SIrens will expect inexperienced college aged girls to host in their dorm or appartment. And I'm sure out-call will only be available to established and well vetted clients. If that is not the case I see a lot of arrests in these folks' futures.

I had an interesting message thread with a pair of very young - 19 yo. Who were advertising on SA together.

I messaged that I was interested in what they were offering and 1 of them responded that they had put in an application for Sirens and if they were hired they would no longer be on SA. I wished them good luck but told them that an agency gig would be very different than an arrangement. Much more of a straight up escort thing and that they would have no control over whom they met. I also told her that the stakes would be much higher. LE is far more interested and will throw a lot more resources at busting an organized prostitution ring than busting a couple young ladies independently trying to make party money. She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. Sounds like a line straight out of "Pimping for fun and profit".

This morning I got a message from their now deactivated account that they got the job and are now agency gals so if I want to see them I can catch them there.

I think this will weed out the girls who are more interested in traditional prostitution from those looking for a casual arrangement. My guess is too that many of these girls will have awful experiences and will get out entirely.

Personally I don't want a typical escort experience. I prefer there to be a bit of a connection and an LTR aspect to it so I will probably not bother with Sirens.

I'd love to hear the forums thoughts on this.

Thanks and be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;4550970]Hard to say but I think Sirens will separate the Pros from the SBs. AS far as in-call I suspect that they will. Decent hotel room used many times a day probably by many girls. I can't imagine that SIrens will expect inexperienced college aged girls to host in their dorm or appartment. And I'm sure out-call will only be available to established and well vetted clients. If that is not the case I see a lot of arrests in these folks' futures.

I had an interesting message thread with a pair of very young - 19 yo. Who were advertising on SA together.

I messaged that I was interested in what they were offering and 1 of them responded that they had put in an application for Sirens and if they were hired they would no longer be on SA. I wished them good luck but told them that an agency gig would be very different than an arrangement. Much more of a straight up escort thing and that they would have no control over whom they met. I also told her that the stakes would be much higher. LE is far more interested and will throw a lot more resources at busting an organized prostitution ring than busting a couple young ladies independently trying to make party money. She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. Sounds like a line straight out of "Pimping for fun and profit".

This morning I got a message from their now deactivated account that they got the job and are now agency gals so if I want to see them I can catch them there.

I think this will weed out the girls who are more interested in traditional prostitution from those looking for a casual arrangement. My guess is too that many of these girls will have awful experiences and will get out entirely.

Personally I don't want a typical escort experience. I prefer there to be a bit of a connection and an LTR aspect to it so I will probably not bother with Sirens.

I'd love to hear the forums thoughts on this.

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]I'm going to guess that you were talking to HotAndReadyNow as I had the exact same conversation with her. She told me she's working for sirens now and then blocked me.

I called and unfortunately they do not do I calls.

I need to figure out how and where to get a room and then I'm definitely calling them again.

So no incall based on the last post? I guess no different than a SB, most don't host. Looks like I may be burning done hotel reward points.

The site doesn't imply FS, more a stripper site. I realize that very well may be to not irritate the local LE.

If the girls pics are accurate they are definitely in my wheelhouse. Anyone actually seen one, or at least been quoted rates?

This actually works well for me as I can't be seen in public with a young hottie. You know the saying, don't shit where you eat!

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4550974]I'm going to guess that you were talking to HotAndReadyNow as I had the exact same conversation with her. She told me she's working for sirens now and then blocked me.[/QUOTE]Thats the one. I was surprised at how much info she was willing to share and I suspect that she will catch some shit for it.

And I don't think you were blocked. The account was deactivated. An agency cannot allow their girls to have any contact with clients outside of agency channels. Under the guise of protecting the girls, clients and the agency but the main reason is that the agency loses their cut.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4550970]
I messaged that I was interested in what they were offering and 1 of them responded that they had put in an application for Sirens and if they were hired they would no longer be on SA. I wished them good luck but told them that an agency gig would be very different than an arrangement. Much more of a straight up escort thing and that they would have no control over whom they met. I also told her that the stakes would be much higher. LE is far more interested and will throw a lot more resources at busting an organized prostitution ring than busting a couple young ladies independently trying to make party money. She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. Sounds like a line straight out of "Pimping for fun and profit".
[/QUOTE]LOL. Some girls will litterally believe anything. Lives in a mansion! Little black book of wealthy powerful men! Untouchable! Doing it for the poor girls who work for her!

Any one of those is laughable. All of them together defies credulity.

Of course we all know this Madam is going to get busted sooner rather than later. It's nice that you tried to reason with these girls but as we all know, reasoning is not something they're very good at.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4550970] She responded that the woman who started Sirens used to be an SB, landed a super rich SD, lives in a mansion on River Rd and has a little black book of very wealthy powerful men so she is "untouchable" by LE. She is doing this out of the goodness of her heart to help young SBs. Provide security and privacy for only $25 per gig. She is very actively recruiting girls and hiring as many as possible. [/QUOTE]Apparently twenty-five dollar madam's heart-goodness knows not gender boundaries, because the main website also says:

"If you're looking for the hottest guys in Richmond, you have come to the right place. We represent a large group of local male strippers who are waiting to show you a good time. ".

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4551014]So no incall based on the last post? I guess no different than a SB, most don't host. Looks like I may be burning done hotel reward points.

The site doesn't imply FS, more a stripper site. I realize that very well may be to not irritate the local LE.

If the girls pics are accurate they are definitely in my wheelhouse. Anyone actually seen one, or at least been quoted rates?

This actually works well for me as I can't be seen in public with a young hottie. You know the saying, don't shit where you eat![/QUOTE]As I said I think this will separate the Pros from the casual SBs and ultimately that could be a good thing. I'm not looking for a quick bang with a hot young thing. That is only part of what I like about arrangements. Getting the pros out of the way on SA will reduce the clutter.

I'm sure most of the pics are accurate from the SBs I have met from SA recently. Very hot young ladies are now beginning to realize what kind of money they can make and it has become socially acceptable. And not just acceptable but almost expected by their peers as a status thing.

I'd imagine too that FS is absolutely on the table. Girls who don't perform or get bad reviews will not be employed long and the agency will expect repeat business and referrals. But don't be fooled. LE IS already aware and very interested I am sure. Agencies represent organization which raises the bar to trafficking as opposed to simple prostitution. Busting something like that is a big feather in the cap of elected officials and it opens up state and federal resources that are not available for small time busts.

But I cannot imagine that they can operate long without offering in-call. Their rates will have to be fairly high ($300 or better per meet) to promote the idea of "quality" and for them to get their cut plus pay the girl enough to make it worth her while. That on top of having to pay for a decent room (that will only be used for an hour) is a premium that few will afford regularly.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4551015]Thats the one. I was surprised at how much info she was willing to share and I suspect that she will catch some shit for it.

And I don't think you were blocked. The account was deactivated. An agency cannot allow their girls to have any contact with clients outside of agency channels. Under the guise of protecting the girls, clients and the agency but the main reason is that the agency loses their cut.[/QUOTE]I will only say this person should be avoided at all cost and runs 3+ profiles at a time and is closer to 30 years old. Id also assume she had a profile here and fakes being a man. Brunette, fake up top, high voice.

Anyone want to lend me their room for the afternoon so I can see one of these girls? 😂128514;.

I can already see it coming. It's an absolute dream for the media and LE. An escort service that specializes in the hottest sex workers available, with a direct link back to sugar websites as the primary recruitment mechanism, establishing once and for all that sugar websites lead to illegal activity. Even if the websites survive the hit, it will scare lots of girls who want a true arrangement away, ultimately being a very bad thing for the hobby. This is how all good things come to an end -- some segment of the population wants things as easy as possible, and starts to get careless. The johns in the little black book will be mugshotted and dragged into court to be made examples of, while the young ladies will mostly have their identities protected.

One has to remember, a bust that involves gorgeous young ladies is much more interesting that one that involves 60 year old AMP workers or other groups of women that can be considered "struggling" for their money. The prettier the girls are, the more powerful the story plays out in the media.

Nobody can deny there are similarities between escorting and sugaring, but there are just as many similarities between sugaring and regular dating. Part of the magic of the sugaring lifestyle has always been that you can pretty much find what you're looking for. The bane of its existence has always been that those who are not up to the challenges and hard work that lead to the best payoffs want to remove all challenges and streamline it to straight by-the-hour-transactions.

As someone else suggested, I'd like to respectfully second the idea that we keep the SB forums on the subject of sugaring, and discuss escorting on the threads here at USASG that already cover that topic.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4551015]Thats the one. I was surprised at how much info she was willing to share and I suspect that she will catch some shit for it.

And I don't think you were blocked. The account was deactivated. An agency cannot allow their girls to have any contact with clients outside of agency channels. Under the guise of protecting the girls, clients and the agency but the main reason is that the agency loses their cut.[/QUOTE]I met up with the brunette last night. She said she didn't want to set up an arrangement until she heard back about her application. I hate to say it mongers, but I paid her to have a drink with me. I just wanted to make sure that both girls were actually real. I also wanted to get her drunk and ask her questions about her company. The only problem is that she really is 19 and couldn't drink at the bar. So I had a bourbon, she had a Diet Coke and I asked her about her boss and how she got recruited by the company. It pretty much lined up with what all you guys have said on here.

I had a dream that they met a girl whose profile name was happy Holly. Smoking hot redhead. Has anyone seen her? She disappeared.