[QUOTE=Bb211;1926921]100% GFE, right click on pic, left click on select google image and find for yourself![/QUOTE]I got several hits on tineye. Looks fake to me.
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[QUOTE=Bb211;1926921]100% GFE, right click on pic, left click on select google image and find for yourself![/QUOTE]I got several hits on tineye. Looks fake to me.
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/zena-new-sexy-sweet-seduction-carribean-dream-20/14993812[/URL]
Anyone seen her? Can't find any reviews.
[QUOTE=Bb211;1927181]Ronner, cancel now![/QUOTE]For the heads up. I knew it had to be TGTBT, but I wanted to be. She is hot. She never replied, so needless to say, no dreams for today, but it is early!
You can find the pics here:
[URL]http://eroticity.net/threads/51445-amateur-pics-pack-from-facebook-orkut-stolem-cameras/page2[/URL]
[URL]http://www.imagefap.com/pictures/1652471/Teen-Blonde-Self-Shot-%5Bdownload-link%5D[/URL]
[URL]http://homepornbay.com/albums/girl-in-sexy-underwear.html[/URL]
Note that none of these are other than pic posting sites. Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Ronnor;1927476]For the heads up. I knew it had to be TGTBT, but I wanted to be. She is hot. She never replied, so needless to say, no dreams for today, but it is early![/QUOTE]
Can anyone recommend any providers that speak greek in the Raleigh area? Please PM info.
[QUOTE=Ronnor;1926767]Jan, If you couldn't have a "great" time with Daisi, then, don't bother calling Bobbi. They are 2 of THE BEST providers out there. You are probably looking for something a little more superficial & there are plenty of those out there. Good Luck & Have Fun.[/QUOTE]Thanks for info Ronnor, I really appreciate it. You are correct, I am looking for both look and performance and may be willing to pay a little extra for that. SBR was one of the best ones in the business and they went belly up couple of months ago, not sure if there is someone comparable to them in this market.
[QUOTE=Mag8600;1927016]Regarding Jan's reaction to Daisi, based on my past experience I'd agree 100% with Ronnor. However, someone told me recently that Daisi is very pregnant right now, and if so, that could have been a turn-off for some. I haven't seen her myself in quite awhile, so if I'm passing along bad info, I appologize.[/QUOTE]Thank you Meg8600, I really appreciate your comments.
Her Belly was definitely alarmingly big, I wasn't sure if she was pregnant or not but now that I think of it, it did look like she was.
The turn-off was her looks; like I said, she tried her best and performance wise there wasn't any issues; Unfortunately I lost her the moment I saw her. She is definitely not 31 like she advertise, more like early 40's.
There's nothing at all wrong with enjoying the company of attractive women. If she's out of shape and gross, then why bother. I don't care if her skills are great, there's such a thing as taste and no reason to apologize for having it.
[QUOTE=Jan2050;1927582]Thank you Meg8600, I really appreciate your comments.
Her Belly was definitely alarmingly big, I wasn't sure if she was pregnant or not but now that I think of it, it did look like she was.
The turn-off was her looks; like I said, she tried her best and performance wise there wasn't any issues; Unfortunately I lost her the moment I saw her. She is definitely not 31 like she advertise, more like early 40's.[/QUOTE]
On another note, if this girl is real, as has been said before, how come she never changes her pictures? Anyone know what the deal is? Is she not as attractive as these old pictures?
Thanks.
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/19sexiandwildur-fantasy-in-realitythe-best-out-here-come-see-18/8540133[/URL]
Try Hailey Julia. She's on Eros. Probably the classiest gal most guys will ever meet....I played with her many times a couple of years back. Just amazing body, attitude and looks. You pay to play.
http://www.eliteseductions.com/
QUOTE=Jan2050;1927580]Thanks for info Ronnor, I really appreciate it. You are correct, I am looking for both look and performance and may be willing to pay a little extra for that. SBR was one of the best ones in the business and they went belly up couple of months ago, not sure if there is someone comparable to them in this market.[/QUOTE]
Anyone seen this lady who offers a massage? [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/Domination/bbw-40-dolars-special-40/13018382[/URL].
Sorry, I checked and link is changed. She advertises on Eros Carolinas.
[QUOTE=Raleighassman;1927850]Try Hailey Julia. She's on Eros. Probably the classiest gal most guys will ever meet....I played with her many times a couple of years back. Just amazing body, attitude and looks. You pay to play.
http://www.eliteseductions.com/
QUOTE=Jan2050;1927580]Thanks for info Ronnor, I really appreciate it. You are correct, I am looking for both look and performance and may be willing to pay a little extra for that. SBR was one of the best ones in the business and they went belly up couple of months ago, not sure if there is someone comparable to them in this market.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
She gets excellent review on a another review site. Now, it has been a month since the last review, so she may have changed.
NC.
[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;1927729]On another note, if this girl is real, as has been said before, how come she never changes her pictures? Anyone know what the deal is? Is she not as attractive as these old pictures?
Thanks.
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/19sexiandwildur-fantasy-in-realitythe-best-out-here-come-see-18/8540133[/URL][/QUOTE]
She's been around a good long while. For me, as noted in previous posts. She was cool the first time but things got progressively worse the next several times. After the last time, I cut her from my contacts.
I would guess the reason why she doesn't move forward in her overall outlook is because she doesn't take the time to invest in herself or ventures. That's my opinion but after numerous visits with her, it was real clear that there is no ambition to move along. It went from nice place to dirty location, to bad apartment to using someones place.
To be honest, a girl of that caliber with high potential of earning a great deal of income (if she's not already doing so) Should be doing well for herself.
I have many contacts that have followed suit and quit seeing her, I guess to loss in income has hurt her financially. She contacted me several times over the past months asking why I quit seeing her. I simply gave an honest reply... "You tell me why I quit seeing you, if you can figure that out, then you will know how to correct your business model".
In regards, she is a nice girl beyond the character flaws. Maybe one day she will buckle down and reinvent herself. Maybe she's a better time now than she was, but I'm done for good as there are much higher quality ladies that have it together and know exactly how to entertain a gentlemen.
This hobby is an investment on both sides. I prefer my investment to net an equal if not better return. Taking a gamble with hard earned funds is not in the books for me. It's beyond me when I read info about guys getting robbed, cheated or suffer a bad time. On the provider side if they are not investing in themselves, what makes you think they would truly invest in the time you request with them? Respectively you become an ATM machine. I don't care for that feeling nor do I find it attractive when a provider contacts me asking me when I am going to see them or why I haven't seen them. It's a tactic to get you aroused to make your man ego feel wanted so they can dip into your wallet.
Smithwick Out!
[QUOTE=PleasureSeeker;1927729]On another note, if this girl is real, as has been said before, how come she never changes her pictures? Anyone know what the deal is? Is she not as attractive as these old pictures?
Thanks.
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/19sexiandwildur-fantasy-in-realitythe-best-out-here-come-see-18/8540133[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ronnor;1927835]However, with all due respect, there is enough information out there on this board & others to understand what you are getting with her. Now, maybe it's because I'm older, but, I tend to be a little more respectful when describing my experiences with all of the providers. First of all, if she is willing to get naked & let me fondle her, I have already hit a fuckin homerun! Anything after that is just shear ecstasy. Secondly, if they are sincere GFE providers, they deserve more respect than to trash them about their looks. Thirdly, if it hurts your wallet to visit new providers that don't live up to your expectations, then I suggest staying with a regular or getting out of the game. As the saying goes, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so it seems to me, one could say "she wasn't my type or she didn't appeal to me" and that would be appropriate. And just for the record, by anyone's standards, she's not gross. I'm just sayin, show a little respect. Now, if the services are not what they should be, then, by all means, shout it out![/QUOTE]Pleasure is right. Fat ugly chicks need to be called out. They lie in their ads and pics. You guys need to have more respect all right, but for yourselves. Going around getting some fat ugly gross chicks clothes off is not a homerun. Sex with an attractive and mentally and physically stimulating woman is. Right on pleasure, you got this one right.
[QUOTE=NCWanderer;1928030]She gets excellent review on a another review site. Now, it has been a month since the last review, so she may have changed.
NC.[/QUOTE]Nah, no change. She's brunette right now.
[QUOTE=Jan2050;1927582]Thank you Meg8600, I really appreciate your comments.
Her Belly was definitely alarmingly big, I wasn't sure if she was pregnant or not but now that I think of it, it did look like she was.
The turn-off was her looks; like I said, she tried her best and performance wise there wasn't any issues; Unfortunately I lost her the moment I saw her. She is definitely not 31 like she advertise, more like early 40's.[/QUOTE]Daisi is in her early 30's. Her age is accurate. I haven't seen her recently (during her pregnancy), but every time I've been with her has been great. She is an all time favorite of mine.
Thanks for the replies, suggestions and all. This is helpful stuff. As far as the back and forth, each to their own and, yes, without doubt be cool with the girls.
Getting back to contributing:
I don't think I've ever reviewed Precious, but she was one of my first dreams here in NC a long while ago. She seemed a bit reserved, almost shy then. I'd hope she'd be more relaxed now. She's an attractive woman with nice skin. Smells good. DATY was sensual, fully shaved. Everything covered. YMMV.
[URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/indian-mixed-doll-make-u-wanna-the-29/12886317[/URL]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]286281[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]286280[/ATTACH].
[QUOTE=SorryNoBlkGuys;1917086]"D"'s is legit, her ad is here: [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-beautiful-exotic-mixed-sexy-girl-hawaiianindian-23/14901113[/URL].
By Googling her pics, I found ones in Charlotte with her current number and an add in Knoxville with an old number. Saw no reviews, but the TN indicated she may be legit and was worth calling.
After going back and forth, she was very pleasant, I met her for an hour and she's great. Love a girl who can throw down. Athletic body, great legs, good conversation, accommodates you and really get into it. Unrushed and I spent all 60 minutes with her. Refuses to answer phone calls during session.
Been at it 7-8 months, this was her first trip to Raleigh. If you're like me and avoid the really cheap girls, this one is worth every penny. $.2 for half, $$ for full, so let's keep good business heading her direction. Hell, I plan on seeing her my next trip through Tennessee.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you, she's a very sweetie person. Clean and doesn't rush. She's a little on the shy side but really pretty and gets into it. Pics are real (thank god). I will repeat more than once.
[QUOTE=SorryNoBlkGuys;1917086]"D"'s is legit, her ad is here: [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-beautiful-exotic-mixed-sexy-girl-hawaiianindian-23/14901113[/URL].
By Googling her pics, I found ones in Charlotte with her current number and an add in Knoxville with an old number. Saw no reviews, but the TN indicated she may be legit and was worth calling.
After going back and forth, she was very pleasant, I met her for an hour and she's great. Love a girl who can throw down. Athletic body, great legs, good conversation, accommodates you and really get into it. Unrushed and I spent all 60 minutes with her. Refuses to answer phone calls during session.
Been at it 7-8 months, this was her first trip to Raleigh. If you're like me and avoid the really cheap girls, this one is worth every penny. $.2 for half, $$ for full, so let's keep good business heading her direction. Hell, I plan on seeing her my next trip through Tennessee.[/QUOTE]Saw her in Clarksville TN. I have to agree with you, she's a very sweetie person. Clean and doesn't rush. She's a little on the shy side but really pretty and gets into it. Pics are real (thank god). I will repeat more than once.
[URL]http://clarksville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/beautiful-exotic-mixed-sexy-girl-hawiianindain-23/8675206[/URL]
I agree. I have seen her 3 x which was great but since then she has really flaked out. She no- showed the last 2 times and has become a totally unreliable flake. She could be A++ but I have decided to move on.
[QUOTE=MrSmithwick;1928032]She's been around a good long while. For me, as noted in previous posts. She was cool the first time but things got progressively worse the next several times. After the last time, I cut her from my contacts.
I would guess the reason why she doesn't move forward in her overall outlook is because she doesn't take the time to invest in herself or ventures. That's my opinion but after numerous visits with her, it was real clear that there is no ambition to move along. It went from nice place to dirty location, to bad apartment to using someones place.
To be honest, a girl of that caliber with high potential of earning a great deal of income (if she's not already doing so) Should be doing well for herself.
I have many contacts that have followed suit and quit seeing her, I guess to loss in income has hurt her financially. She contacted me several times over the past months asking why I quit seeing her. I simply gave an honest reply... "You tell me why I quit seeing you, if you can figure that out, then you will know how to correct your business model".
In regards, she is a nice girl beyond the character flaws. Maybe one day she will buckle down and reinvent herself. Maybe she's a better time now than she was, but I'm done for good as there are much higher quality ladies that have it together and know exactly how to entertain a gentlemen.
This hobby is an investment on both sides. I prefer my investment to net an equal if not better return. Taking a gamble with hard earned funds is not in the books for me. It's beyond me when I read info about guys getting robbed, cheated or suffer a bad time. On the provider side if they are not investing in themselves, what makes you think they would truly invest in the time you request with them? Respectively you become an ATM machine. I don't care for that feeling nor do I find it attractive when a provider contacts me asking me when I am going to see them or why I haven't seen them. It's a tactic to get you aroused to make your man ego feel wanted so they can dip into your wallet.
Smithwick Out![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ronnor;1927835]However, with all due respect, there is enough information out there on this board & others to understand what you are getting with her. Now, maybe it's because I'm older, but, I tend to be a little more respectful when describing my experiences with all of the providers. First of all, if she is willing to get naked & let me fondle her, I have already hit a fuckin homerun! Anything after that is just shear ecstasy. Secondly, if they are sincere GFE providers, they deserve more respect than to trash them about their looks. Thirdly, if it hurts your wallet to visit new providers that don't live up to your expectations, then I suggest staying with a regular or getting out of the game. As the saying goes, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so it seems to me, one could say "she wasn't my type or she didn't appeal to me" and that would be appropriate. And just for the record, by anyone's standards, she's not gross. I'm just sayin, show a little respect. Now, if the services are not what they should be, then, by all means, shout it out![/QUOTE]He didn't say anything disrespectful. He said he was turned off by her looks and honestly I saw the ad too and nowhere did it say she wwas pregnant. Honestly I find pregnant girls hot but he shouldn't be shamed for it. Its no different from when anyo e says they aren't skilled enough. You are paying for the whole package and since you are the one paying you should be able to set whatever standards you want.
[QUOTE=SoulCircus32;1927984]Anyone seen this lady who offers a massage? [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/Domination/bbw-40-dolars-special-40/13018382[/URL].[/QUOTE]Back then she was offering BJ. She was located in North Raleigh near Falls of Neuse and Millbrook roads, in a kinda bad apartment complex. Her place was nasty. Not a good experience. I will not repeat. But she's real.
Below is a link containing another image.
[URL]http://boone.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/bbw-40-dd40-dolars-special-919-5262603-no-text-40/15002359[/URL]
[QUOTE=SoulCircus32;1927984]Anyone seen this lady who offers a massage? [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/Domination/bbw-40-dolars-special-40/13018382[/URL].[/QUOTE]
http://www.eros-carolina.com/sections/carolina_escorts.htm
Ad shows $$$.5 for incall and $$$$ for outcall.
Height: 5'10
Weight: 123
Eyes: Deep Brown
Hair: Long, Brown, Natural Springing Curls
Measurements: 34B-25-33
Dress Size: 4 - 6
Pants Length: 34
Resides in: Raleigh/Durham/RTP, NC
Perfect10GFE@gmail.com
[QUOTE=Raleighassman;1928011]Sorry, I checked and link is changed. She advertises on Eros Carolinas.
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
What's the deal with Thai, is she still available for homework. Has anyone seen here recently at the bookstore?
Thanks.
I've seen a few recently so I'd thought I'd post some reviews.
Savannah Staxx [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/savannah-well-reviewed-last-day-45/14521639[/URL].
- A touring MILF who comes to Raleigh a lot. Great GFE experience. I highly recommend.
Krista (bodyrub). [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-massage-by-a-blonde-bombshell-well-reviewed-35/14763747[/URL].
Very good HE bodyrub. I highly recommend.
Cleo Devine. [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/petite-brunette-cleo-hot-to-the-touch-in-or-out-available-now-25/14109158[/URL].
- Petite GFE but passionless and with bad smokers breath. I do not recommend.
Kelly the mixed hawaiian. [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/morning-kiss-sexy-lingerie-cougar-town-baby-38-dd-friendly-conversation-kiss-35/14719669[/URL].
- Nice melodic voice. Not too bad GFE. I won't repeat but some of you will like her a lot.
[QUOTE=MisterE2;1928933]I've seen a few recently so I'd thought I'd post some reviews.
Savannah Staxx [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/savannah-well-reviewed-last-day-45/14521639[/URL].
- A touring MILF who comes to Raleigh a lot. Great GFE experience. I highly recommend.
Krista (bodyrub). [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sensual-massage-by-a-blonde-bombshell-well-reviewed-35/14763747[/URL].
Very good HE bodyrub. I highly recommend.
Cleo Devine. [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/petite-brunette-cleo-hot-to-the-touch-in-or-out-available-now-25/14109158[/URL].
- Petite GFE but passionless and with bad smokers breath. I do not recommend.
Kelly the mixed hawaiian. [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/morning-kiss-sexy-lingerie-cougar-town-baby-38-dd-friendly-conversation-kiss-35/14719669[/URL].
- Nice melodic voice. Not too bad GFE. I won't repeat but some of you will like her a lot.[/QUOTE]I swear I saw Krista working at Doubletree Hotel in Fayetteville. She was working the counter at the Spa. Booking appointments for massages, etc.
[QUOTE=Elgrande4;1929139]I swear I saw Krista working at Doubletree Hotel in Fayetteville. She was working the counter at the Spa. Booking appointments for massages, etc.[/QUOTE]Why not exercise some discretion and not out her. If it is her, a rumor could easily drift back to her other job and cost her. If it is NOT her, then the poor innocent girl ends up the subject of rumor and innuendo. I'm just saying, none of us post here using the names on out Social Security cards.
[QUOTE=NCWanderer;1928030]She gets excellent review on a another review site. Now, it has been a month since the last review, so she may have changed.
NC.[/QUOTE]Baby is VERY real and VERY worth it. Great Girl!
[QUOTE=Mag8600;1927016]Regarding Jan's reaction to Daisi, based on my past experience I'd agree 100% with Ronnor. However, someone told me recently that Daisi is very pregnant right now, and if so, that could have been a turn-off for some. I haven't seen her myself in quite awhile, so if I'm passing along bad info, I appologize.[/QUOTE]FYI, check out Daisi's very classy response to this whole thread in the Escort Classified Ads forum. I really respect that Daisi pays attention to what we think and is professional enough to respond. I wish more providers took that attitude.
[QUOTE=Velasco;1929200]Why not exercise some discretion and not out her. If it is her, a rumor could easily drift back to her other job and cost her. If it is NOT her, then the poor innocent girl ends up the subject of rumor and innuendo. I'm just saying, none of us post here using the names on out Social Security cards.[/QUOTE]Posting links and telling stories. Its like internet Fairy Land.
I figured it was safe to say considering she had a post in the Raleigh area at the same time. I didn't say it WAS her. I said I swear it was her. It could have been her sister or daughter.
She wasn't working the clients. Just setting appointments. I understand we really don't want to subject these girls to either rumor or innuendo. It might detract from what they are actually doing. Maybe drive them out of the business and back to school. What are you the Ho PoPo?
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[QUOTE=AlexThag;1926876]Raleigh.[URL]backpage.com[/URL]/ FemaleEscorts / best-mouth-in-the-south-22/14891184.
Tried to see this one today. Pretty responsive over email, set up appt for short time later. I get to her incall (apt complex in Cary) and then zero communication. Sent email and texts, nothing until I left to eat. Then she said she was eating. Appears to be legit. Hopefully you guys will have better luck.[/QUOTE]I tried to TOFTT and texted her tonight and set up a time, texted that I was 5 min away like she asked, finally got to where she had told me to go and never heard anything else from her. I would be interested if anyone has actually seen her.
Ended up going to see Diamond [URL]http://raleigh.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/drdiamond-and-drbaybees-special-treat-is-here-back-in-town-21/14901693[/URL].
I had seen her and Baybee together a couple weeks ago. Not much of a 2 girl show. Do one, change covers, and do the other one. They didn't interact at all. But I enjoyed Diamond and saw her for a QV tonight. Damage was .6. She's Asian, cute, and has a nice rack. Not GFE at all, but I'll probably see her again.
You must be a newbie.
If she was VERY worth it to you, hats off to you sir. See her about 7 or 8 times and let us know how things progress.
[QUOTE=Toosay;1929587]Baby is VERY real and VERY worth it. Great Girl![/QUOTE]
Gents,
Had the pleasure of meeting Jen this week. She was great, hot body, extremely fit. $$5 for the hour. Exchanged emails and see up an appt. Called on the way to nice hotel near Crabtree. Met me at the door in bra / panties, greeted with a nice hug. BBBJ was excellent with a wonderful view and FS was top notch. Only rule was no mouth kissing, but otherwise everybit GFE. Would recommend and repeat. Treat her well, gentlemen.
[URL]www.sensualpetitefantasy.com[/URL]
[QUOTE=AlexThag;1930284]Gents,
Had the pleasure of meeting Jen this week. She was great, hot body, extremely fit. $$5 for the hour. Exchanged emails and see up an appt. Called on the way to nice hotel near Crabtree. Met me at the door in bra / panties, greeted with a nice hug. BBBJ was excellent with a wonderful view and FS was top notch. Only rule was no mouth kissing, but otherwise everybit GFE. Would recommend and repeat. Treat her well, gentlemen.
[URL]www.sensualpetitefantasy.com[/URL][/QUOTE]I, too had a dream with Jen this week. I would concur with the damage and all other aspects but would include DATY was disappointed with no DFK let alone LFK. There was however light closed mouth kissing. The most unrushed experience ever for me. Will repeat.
R2
I was wondering if any of you have ventured to [URL]adultsearch.com[/URL]? There is a post from "Crystal" yesterday for Raleigh area. Contacted to find 50% pymt due before meeting and doesn't allow reviews. TOFTT or run?
[URL]http://adultsearch.com/north-carolina/raleigh/female-escorts/922886[/URL]
Thanks!
Ncpirate
[QUOTE=AlexThag;1930284]Gents,
Had the pleasure of meeting Jen this week. She was great, hot body, extremely fit. $$5 for the hour. Exchanged emails and see up an appt. Called on the way to nice hotel near Crabtree. Met me at the door in bra / panties, greeted with a nice hug. BBBJ was excellent with a wonderful view and FS was top notch. Only rule was no mouth kissing, but otherwise everybit GFE. Would recommend and repeat. Treat her well, gentlemen.
[URL]www.sensualpetitefantasy.com[/URL][/QUOTE]I've seen Jen three times, and it just gets better each visit. I agree 100% with AT. Very physically active girl, very petite, very GFE. I expect a fourth visit is in my future.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]286687[/ATTACH][QUOTE=NcPirate38;1930375]I was wondering if any of you have ventured to [URL]adultsearch.com[/URL]? There is a post from "Crystal" yesterday for Raleigh area. Contacted to find 50% pymt due before meeting and doesn't allow reviews. TOFTT or run?
[URL]http://adultsearch.com/north-carolina/raleigh/female-escorts/922886[/URL]
Thanks!
Ncpirate[/QUOTE]That has to be the hottest provider (if she is) in the Carolinas. I'm not sure how one would get assurances of a meeting once the deposit was made. BTW, whatever the deposit amount is, it would be the smallest deposit of the day! Out of curiosity, how much for the hour? I'm guessing TGTBT