"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4535215]This is definitely NOT a Man's Perspective, but valuable to know what women are being told is considered "Average".

I never considered AVERAGE to be a disqualifier, but I do consider size 12 and up to be a disqualifier.

But if women usually shave a little off their age / size to be more appealing, AVERAGE is pretty much a no go at this point!

[URL]https://www.upworthy.com/size-14-is-no-longer-the-average-size-for-an-american-woman?fbclid=IwAR1LNYU3pQ0a1kadEFtNn0XvgxssZ6htkpv0RbEvXfMKeomYvzc-5GEypRo[/URL][/QUOTE]"The study sampled the waist sizes of more than 5,500 women and found that over the past 21 years, the average woman gained 2. 6 inches around the waist, from 34.9 inches to 37.5 inches. " I'm going to bet this is average for the female population in general, and not average for the SA female population. I've met some girls with really hot bodies that listed themselves as "average" body type. I think they thought that they weren't completely anorexic so didn't want to click "slim," and "curvy" sounded to them like a euphemism for "fat," which it is. Maybe they just didn't have lot of self confidence. Who knows.

But I would never put my dick in any creature with a 37.5 inch waist! I wouldn't fuck them with your dick!

I had the same experience.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4537290][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f[/URL]

Within the first few DMs she says that she's been scammed before and needs a partial allowance before meeting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BStreet;4537523]I offered to even pay more for the 1st meet only, didn't budge

.[/QUOTE]Hey all! I've seen a few post about this recently. I was on SA for a couple years and got out a few years ago bc of a great SB relationship that recently ended so I have recently rejoined.

First. WOW! There are a LOT more girls there than there were before! In just over a week I have seen 1 - straight to the FC after the M&G, I am texting on my phone with 10 and have M&Gs set up with 3 this week and am actively messaging at least a dozen others. All of them within 10 miles of RVA, 28 or younger, less than 5'6" (I'm only 5'2") and Slim, Athletic or Average.

When I 1st got on I paid for 3 M&Gs and the M&G was the last time I heard from any of them. I have now had 3 ask for $100 or $150 for the M&G and I have told them all that I don't do that, that I see the M&G as a job interview and if they got an invite to an interview for a traditional job and they responded that they needed a paycheck first, they wouldn't get any interviews.

2 just said thanks and 1 offered to drop it to $50. Still not doing that.

Guys need to STOP doing this! As long as guys will pay for M&Gs, girls will keep asking.

My 2 cents.

Thanks and be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;4538097]
First. WOW! There are a LOT more girls there than there were before! In just over a week I have seen 1 - straight to the FC after the M&G, I am texting on my phone with 10 and have M&Gs set up with 3 this week and am actively messaging at least a dozen others. All of them within 10 miles of RVA, 28 or younger, less than 5'6" (I'm only 5'2") and Slim, Athletic or Average.

When I 1st got on I paid for 3 M&Gs and the M&G was the last time I heard from any of them. I have now had 3 ask for $100 or $150 for the M&G and I have told them all that I don't do that, that I see the M&G as a job interview and if they got an invite to an interview for a traditional job and they responded that they needed a paycheck first, they wouldn't get any interviews.

2 just said thanks and 1 offered to drop it to $50. Still not doing that.

Guys need to STOP doing this! As long as guys will pay for M&Gs, girls will keep asking.[/QUOTE]

This has been around for ever. If paying for M&G is a thing than you'll get professional M&G'ers and you'll still end up empty-ended. Why would a girl go through an arrangement is all they have to do is line up M&G one after the other?

One thing I've noticed about SA now is that there's more rinsers than ever. A few years back it was a couple of girls trying to scam guys and now it's rampant. So yeah, there's more girls now but you'll find as you go through the vetting process that very, very few are worthwhile or left at the end. The gems are still there but now buried under a mountain of shit.

A girl I knew in S. Florida would go on to Seeking Arrangement to meet guys and hope for either freebies or a relationship; she was actually using SA as a dating service.

She got a guy to pay her $900 to drive an hour and a half to Miami to meet and greet and eat dinner; he didn't like her looks and paid her and nothing else happened.

This type of thing may have happened often enough that females think they can accomplish the same thing.

My view is I would pay for her 1. Gasoline 2. Parking fee if she mentioned needing money for a meet and greet.

That would be about $10 damage in my view.

My limited experience with babies in S. Florida is if they think you have the ability to pay them, they will accept your terms; they see it as a long term effort. If they 1. Don't like you 2. Don't think you will part with cash for them then they're more likely to be a tough negotiator.

I just got a call from a very pretty one and the discussion of her looks came up; I mentioned she is changing even over the last several years because my first pictures of her were when she was 21, now she's 25. She seemed concerned. "Don't worry, you look fine; I would tell you if you were ugly or something. ".

Note; she's very pretty but she STILL has self-doubt and I don't really help which is my intention.

At night all cats are black gentlemen. Let them know it.

Was not to pay for meet and greet, it was for FC, not meet and greet, I never do that

[QUOTE=FanRat;4538097]Hey all! I've seen a few post about this recently. I was on SA for a couple years and got out a few years ago bc of a great SB relationship that recently ended so I have recently rejoined.

First. WOW! There are a LOT more girls there than there were before! In just over a week I have seen 1 - straight to the FC after the M&G, I am texting on my phone with 10 and have M&Gs set up with 3 this week and am actively messaging at least a dozen others. All of them within 10 miles of RVA, 28 or younger, less than 5'6" (I'm only 5'2") and Slim, Athletic or Average.

When I 1st got on I paid for 3 M&Gs and the M&G was the last time I heard from any of them. I have now had 3 ask for $100 or $150 for the M&G and I have told them all that I don't do that, that I see the M&G as a job interview and if they got an invite to an interview for a traditional job and they responded that they needed a paycheck first, they wouldn't get any interviews.

2 just said thanks and 1 offered to drop it to $50. Still not doing that.

Guys need to STOP doing this! As long as guys will pay for M&Gs, girls will keep asking.

My 2 cents.

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE].

I'm from NC but a long-time lurker on Richmond forum. You guys are awesome and true educator. I ran into an unusual situation. At my annual checkup, my doctor walked in with a hottie and introduced her as NP. We looked at each other and immediately recognized seeing her on sa. During my visit, she seemed little restless and nervous. I thought she recognized me too. I checked sa and found that a few days ago she had seen my profile. This is a first such incident. I'm in a confused state on how to deal with this. Need your advice.

[QUOTE=Dash;4538316]
My view is I would pay for her 1. Gasoline 2. Parking fee if she mentioned needing money for a meet and greet.

That would be about $10 damage in my view.[/QUOTE]I think this is an important thing to note. We know that one of the big reasons girls come to SA is bc the guys that they civvy date are broke, (as well as unreliable, won't/can't
eat pussy, and are self-consumed by tardo shit like video games and binge drinking).

Be the antidote. Frugality can be a desirable trait, but being a cheapskate certainly diminishes ones chances of success. Paying for an incidental cost of a MnG is the gentlemanly thing to do, but sending money in any amount before meeting is a rookie mistake.

All of these girls have been indoctrinated on 'lady in the streets, freak in the sheets'. Act accordingly

[QUOTE=ChrisCarr;4538569]I think this is an important thing to note. We know that one of the big reasons girls come to SA is bc the guys that they civvy date are broke, (as well as unreliable, won't/can't
eat pussy, and are self-consumed by tardo shit like video games and binge drinking).

Be the antidote. Frugality can be a desirable trait, but being a cheapskate certainly diminishes ones chances of success. Paying for an incidental cost of a MnG is the gentlemanly thing to do, but sending money in any amount before meeting is a rookie mistake.

All of these girls have been indoctrinated on 'lady in the streets, freak in the sheets'. Act accordingly[/QUOTE]If you give it at the M&G, unrequested, this is true. It will be appreciated, and sends the right signals. If they ask for it though, it's a red flag, unless they came from a distance. And if they ask for it to be sent electronically before, then it's 100% a scam.

[QUOTE=MilkyWy;4538465]I'm from NC but a long-time lurker on Richmond forum. You guys are awesome and true educator. I ran into an unusual situation. At my annual checkup, my doctor walked in with a hottie and introduced her as NP. We looked at each other and immediately recognized seeing her on sa. During my visit, she seemed little restless and nervous. I thought she recognized me too. I checked sa and found that a few days ago she had seen my profile. This is a first such incident. I'm in a confused state on how to deal with this. Need your advice.[/QUOTE]Are you married?

Let her mention recognizing you.

With anonymity blown for both of you, best to take advantage of this coincidental meeting. And tell her as much. Removes the pressure of trying to keep things secret, so you can both relax and be open.

Hello, experts of the SB world. I took the plunge a few weeks ago with only one moderately successful encounter. The information posted in this thread has been tremendously helpful (thank you). That said, I run into a bit of a perplexing situation (for me) with my next potential SB.

I started talking to a girl about a week ago, messaging first on SA and gradually moving to text. She's very cute and seemed genuinely interested in meeting, however, due to her schedule (she attends a university) and the upcoming holidays, the first week of December is the earliest she can meet, which is fine.

We tentatively set a date and have been chatting sporadically throughout the week. The subject of allowance was brought up only once to which I told her I don't talk money until we meet. She hasn't brought it up again since.

Yesterday, she sent me a text and asked if I would be up for coming up the night before the date we had set and staying the night (in a room). She told me she was flying back to the area that day and her flight would be coming in late, and staying in her dorm was not ideal. This caught me off guard a little bit and I told her I would check my schedule.

As there has been no M&G prior to this and communication has only been online and via text (she has seen my photo), is this request something I should be wary of? Would it be wiser to keep to the original, planned "date for the day"?

I've been trying to catch up on some of the pitfalls of hotels. I currently have no So, so that makes things a little easier.

[QUOTE=MilkyWy;4538465]I'm from NC but a long-time lurker on Richmond forum. You guys are awesome and true educator. I ran into an unusual situation. At my annual checkup, my doctor walked in with a hottie and introduced her as NP. We looked at each other and immediately recognized seeing her on sa. During my visit, she seemed little restless and nervous. I thought she recognized me too. I checked sa and found that a few days ago she had seen my profile. This is a first such incident. I'm in a confused state on how to deal with this. Need your advice.[/QUOTE]If she is hot, see is she wants to meet.

She has more to lose than you do; she's afraid to be outed as a hooker which would maybe affect her career.

On your side, she may have access to your records so your identity and age are known to her.

If you are married, her knowing your full name may be unwanted.

[QUOTE=Kurrozava;4538870]Hello, experts of the SB world. I took the plunge a few weeks ago with only one moderately successful encounter. The information posted in this thread has been tremendously helpful (thank you). That said, I run into a bit of a perplexing situation (for me) with my next potential SB.

I started talking to a girl about a week ago, messaging first on SA and gradually moving to text. She's very cute and seemed genuinely interested in meeting, however, due to her schedule (she attends a university) and the upcoming holidays, the first week of December is the earliest she can meet, which is fine.

We tentatively set a date and have been chatting sporadically throughout the week. The subject of allowance was brought up only once to which I told her I don't talk money until we meet. She hasn't brought it up again since.

Yesterday, she sent me a text and asked if I would be up for coming up the night before the date we had set and staying the night (in a room). She told me she was flying back to the area that day and her flight would be coming in late, and staying in her dorm was not ideal. This caught me off guard a little bit and I told her I would check my schedule.

As there has been no M&G prior to this and communication has only been online and via text (she has seen my photo), is this request something I should be wary of? Would it be wiser to keep to the original, planned "date for the day"?

I've been trying to catch up on some of the pitfalls of hotels. I currently have no So, so that makes things a little easier.[/QUOTE]Others may disagree with this, but I never go straight to FC on first meets. A 10 minute chat in a coffee shop is all that I need to know whether or not I'm going to see her naked in the next 15 minutes. If you have her come. Right to the room then it's too easy to possibly find yourself in trouble with JQL or a rinser and at best you are going to waste time and money on a hotel room that you end up jerking off in. Or worse you call any fat pig to come over. Granted that happened to me twice and both times the fat pigs were pretty fucking fun, but I'd much rather have banged on the girl who ended up ghosting.

Scammers typically only work the SA profile for a week or less, so if come December and she is still active and chatting with you then I'd suggest you meet in public, have dinner etc. If green lights go then and only when go get a room, and fuck yes for overnight. I find rolling over for a morning nut after fucking all night to be deeply satisfying.

[QUOTE=Kurrozava;4538870]
I started talking to a girl about a week ago, messaging first on SA and gradually moving to text. She's very cute and seemed genuinely interested in meeting, however, due to her schedule (she attends a university) and the upcoming holidays, the first week of December is the earliest she can meet, which is fine.

As there has been no M&G prior to this and communication has only been online and via text (she has seen my photo), is this request something I should be wary of? Would it be wiser to keep to the original, planned "date for the day"?

[/QUOTE]

It could very well be a scam but go in with an open mind and see what happens. Just use incremental steps. Met her for a coffee first (fuck dinner, that's for closers). If that goes well have the hotel lined up but not paid for. If she's still up for it and there's no red flags then tell her you're heading for x hotel and just go for it. Be prepared to bail at any point if your spidey sense is tingling. I don't care how long you've been chatting, very few college girls will offer to spend the night with a grown man they've never met. Don't be surprised one bit if just before you're set to meet you start hearing about sob stories requiring money on your part -e.g. car accident, phone or laptop stolen, diagnosed with ebola, etc...

So I downloaded the app today, and it has a 7 day trial for $24.99, however you can only pay with Google Pay (which I have a credit card set up).

Is it safe to pay with Google pay for SA with a real credit card, instead of one of those prepaid credit card? Is this a one time charge or a recurring thing, where after the 7 day, it will charge you the monthly fee atomatically?