"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Dash;4534213]I'm from another area but this discussion is interesting. I have some limited sugar baby experience in S. Florida, but she was not online, I met her socially.

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

In S. Florida this is more acceptable and common; I think now in northern California I must exercise caution making any suggestion to a female.

I have had a card with just my name, phone and email for years which I keep ready for any lucky encounter.

I think Seeking Arrangement is making it easier for girls to sell pussy and be less afraid, so I'm going to try it as soon as my houseguest goes home.[/QUOTE]I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.

I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).

[QUOTE=Dash;4534213]I

My younger friend in S. Florida met a cute girl working at a fast food joint; a day later she was blowing him in his car in the parking lot on her break for $20. He later screwed her for $40 at her place; he doesn't like her personality so he says he's not going to repeat; I wonder.

.[/QUOTE]That right there is your ticket buddy.

If you have the time and the game, go recruit locally. Girls working minimum wage at restaurants, retail stores, McD, DD, etc. You can have them for way cheaper than the SA girls and much less mileage. Without the hassle of spending countless hours working through the fakes, scams, and pros on SA. Girls on SA are already there to sell pussies, to the highest bidders.

If you can, go work on those McD, DD, and BK girls. 100 to them is a lot of cash, and being treated well by a nice older guy is a bonus.

[QUOTE=Dash;4534213]

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

[/QUOTE]Snipped out the rest to highlight this. THIS is how I now see every girl, [B]especially [/B]those in the mid to low tier service industries (although even the higher tiers are suspect to me). I travel quite a bit and it just seems like shooting fish in a barrel to get these girls to fuck. They've pretty much left behind the idea that there's a connection between being a hooker and getting a couple of bills to bang an older dude. I like this new reality.

Of course, this is why I fully funded my daughter's education and living expenses. Didn't want her needing money in this environment with you animals out there.

[blue]No offence meant to your daughter but I'm betting a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4534484]I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.

I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).[/QUOTE]No matter how you do it, free-styling is an excellent way to find new talent.

Most every girl knows about sugaring, but many are afraid to take the leap and join Seeking. They all know about the site, and probably know or have heard of someone who did it.

If you can give them a gentle nudge, they will likely take the leap.

By propositioning them, you are also stroking their ego. That's the fastest way into a girl's pants.

Watch the movie Shopgirl. It's a great example of how to free-style a SB.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4534773] a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.
[/QUOTE]I encounter those girls on SA all the time.

Mom and dad aren't going to buy them the LV bag, but they need it and other stuff for their Instagram pics.

It's the same reason why so many 20-somethings bought tickets to the Fyre Festival.

If you can tap into that need in a SB, you're set. They will suck a mile of dick to look good on social media.

I often ask SBs where they would like to go to get the best food or seating / view pics for dinner. They almost always take me up on it, and spend more time taking pics than eating food. They love rooftop restaurants.

Usually fairly early on in messaging, I ask "How did you learn of this site?

If the answer is "A friend told me" or some variation, the immediate follow up is "so she has explained to you the dynamic and expectations of an arrangement?" which easily opens the door to allowance, activities, etc.

This is definitely NOT a Man's Perspective, but valuable to know what women are being told is considered "Average".

I never considered AVERAGE to be a disqualifier, but I do consider size 12 and up to be a disqualifier.

But if women usually shave a little off their age / size to be more appealing, AVERAGE is pretty much a no go at this point!

[URL]https://www.upworthy.com/size-14-is-no-longer-the-average-size-for-an-american-woman?fbclid=IwAR1LNYU3pQ0a1kadEFtNn0XvgxssZ6htkpv0RbEvXfMKeomYvzc-5GEypRo[/URL]

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4534773]Snipped out the rest to highlight this. THIS is how I now see every girl, [B]especially [/B]those in the mid to low tier service industries (although even the higher tiers are suspect to me). I travel quite a bit and it just seems like shooting fish in a barrel to get these girls to fuck. They've pretty much left behind the idea that there's a connection between being a hooker and getting a couple of bills to bang an older dude. I like this new reality.

Of course, this is why I fully funded my daughter's education and living expenses. Didn't want her needing money in this environment with you animals out there.

[blue]No offence meant to your daughter but I'm betting a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]No offense taken. I have accepted this possibility, but at the end of the day, you do what you can do and hope for the best. God knows I've grabbed a chick or two that was getting a fully funded ride by their biological daddy.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4534946]Watch the movie Shopgirl. It's a great example of how to free-style a SB.[/QUOTE]Makes you wonder about Steve Martin a little. He wrote the novella and the screenplay for the movie.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4534141]One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.

Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.

Viva the bowl![/QUOTE]I explain this to many newbies I meet, both those I'm interested in and especially those that I'm not b / c they are about to learn the hard way LOL. It is part negotiating tactic for me with the ones I like, but it's also the truth. I've had some that understand it.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4535325]Makes you wonder about Steve Martin a little. He wrote the novella and the screenplay for the movie.[/QUOTE]My guess is that Martin was projecting his sugar relationships onto the big screen. He must have been a SD for years before he wrote that script.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4535619]My guess is that Martin was projecting his sugar relationships onto the big screen. He must have been a SD for years before he wrote that script.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure, nope convinced, that Steve Martin doesn't need any sugar to entice a pretty college girl to come to his house and watch him play banjo. He's a true celebrity and his social proof is through the roof so just no. He can just be himself and rake in the puss.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4536529]I'm pretty sure, nope convinced, that Steve Martin doesn't need any sugar to entice a pretty college girl to come to his house and watch him play banjo. He's a true celebrity and his social proof is through the roof so just no. He can just be himself and rake in the puss.[/QUOTE]Plenty of celebrities pay for pussy.

Remember Hugh Grant? Eddie Murphy? Charlie Sheen?

You wouldn't think they would need to pay for sex, yet they all did.

I think that, just like any john / escort relationship, the attraction to sugaring is that a john pays the SB to leave after the act.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f[/URL]

Within the first few DMs she says that she's been scammed before and needs a partial allowance before meeting.

I offered to even pay more for the 1st meet only, didn't budge

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4537290][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f[/URL]

Within the first few DMs she says that she's been scammed before and needs a partial allowance before meeting.[/QUOTE].