"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]First of all, as has been mentioned in this thread a lot, who knows what she got in the past or if she did it at all. Even if it's true, it's probably not as much as she says (they always embellish) and Korea has no applicability to here anyway. But "what I got last time" is a very common negotiating tactic that they can read about on forums and reddit that helps frame the price. You just need to decide what you want to give her and make the offer. Honestly, I wouldn't do even do a 3rd dinner without a negotiation to make sure it's going somewhere at an allowance you can do. Sounds like you're going to nice places, and are going to be in for almost 500 bucks without any clothes coming off? I've been patient like that with some that say they need to get comfortable but I don't spend a lot of money in the process, that way I know they're not rinsers and are really just trying to get comfortable. And heck, it it were regular dating I expect physical things to be happening by date 2 or 3. If you do want to make your offer in person, change the plan to meeting for a cocktail or meeting at a hip coffee shop and save 100+ in case it goes nowhere. If she balks at that, she's a rinser and / or is not likely to accept your offer anyway. As far as amount, 200 in my town has become the bare minimum. If you really like her and can swing it, that's probably what I'd offer, and I'd frame it as she did, "In the past I've done 100 to 150 but I really like you and want to make this work and would do 200 a date for you, but that's the best I can do, especially with your living situation and transportation issues. " Good luck brother.

Just a brief thumbs up on this one. An employed young gal who enjoys after work drinks at a hotel bar. YMMV but very fun up in the room as well.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ba575673-238f-461a-a747-b93f0479ac3b[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4524895]She got a ride to my place tonight. The good is that she looks like her pics, and maybe a little slimmer. Mid to late 20's. The pussy is very tight, so if you got girth take it easy. The head game was ok, but she seems willing to please.

The bad s that she talks a lot. Keep her focused on the task at hand or she'll go off on a tangent.

Honestly she does not come across as your typical SB although her conversation says she wants something ongoing. Really not sure if I'll repeat, but as I sit here thinking about how tight she was, it will be hard not to repeat. My overall opinion is that she was just ok.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I may hang out once just because of the tightness.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4526046]Just a brief thumbs up on this one. An employed young gal who enjoys after work drinks at a hotel bar. YMMV but very fun up in the room as well.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ba575673-238f-461a-a747-b93f0479ac3b[/URL][/QUOTE]Like the general look but always wonder about imipacts of preganancy, and whe she prefers not to say how many kids, I'm thinking at least 2. Trying to avoid the "punched lasagna" or too much tummy softness.

Many here use GV for contact w / SBs, it's the safe way to go, you can always ghost and it is hard for them to track you down. I have received multiple calls to my GV # in the past few days from 800 #s, each leaves a voicemail saying stuff like my SSN has been blocked, I need to call in to get this addressed. Obviously, this is a scam, IDK how / why my GV# is being targeted. It seems like this could be a strategy they are using generally.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4528015]Many here use GV for contact w / SBs, it's the safe way to go, you can always ghost and it is hard for them to track you down. I have received multiple calls to my GV # in the past few days from 800 #s, each leaves a voicemail saying stuff like my SSN has been blocked, I need to call in to get this addressed. Obviously, this is a scam, IDK how / why my GV# is being targeted. It seems like this could be a strategy they are using generally.[/QUOTE]I've been getting a bunch of those to my real cell number lately, so it seems to be a widespread scam, yeah.

Had a fun first encounter this evening, with one surprising bit of discussion at the end.

I'd been contacted a few days ago by a college girl outside my usual area (still driveable, but definitely further than I'd normally consider). We seemed to click over messaging and text, and I drove out to meet her this evening. We talked for a good couple hours before either of us made a move to get down to business. A couple of her text comments had indicated that she was new to sugaring, and that she knew sex was on the table but might need to feel comfortable with me first. After talking with her in person, though, she made a comment about putting on "a bit of an innocent act". In any case, we had a couple very enthusiastically fun rounds once we got going.

We hadn't discussed an allowance at all, which is usually a good sign. As we were dressing and getting ready to leave, I handed her an envelope (as I usually do), and she actually seemed legitimately confused by that. This was the weird part: she said something about "I thought that didn't happen until like the third or fourth meeting". I kinda went "huh? And told her that no, we'd actually met up and spent time together, so I was happy to help out.

We've all talked to girls that expected a gift at the M&G (which of course goes against standard protocol). I don't think I've ever talked to anyone before this who was happy to get together and fuck, but not actually get any allowance until a few meetings later.

Anyone ever had a similar experience?

About the YMMV, went to Text, wanted to meet for a drink, she was agreeable, not sure what your magic was, but she wanted 100 to just meet, yeah. No,

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4526046]Just a brief thumbs up on this one. An employed young gal who enjoys after work drinks at a hotel bar. YMMV but very fun up in the room as well.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ba575673-238f-461a-a747-b93f0479ac3b[/URL][/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;4528363]

We hadn't discussed an allowance at all, which is usually a good sign. As we were dressing and getting ready to leave, I handed her an envelope (as I usually do), and she actually seemed legitimately confused by that. This was the weird part: she said something about "I thought that didn't happen until like the third or fourth meeting". I kinda went "huh? And told her that no, we'd actually met up and spent time together, so I was happy to help out.

Anyone ever had a similar experience?[/QUOTE]I've had college POTs find $200 for no holes barred to be like a gift from the gods, but never one who thought test drives were needed before $$.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;4528363]

We hadn't discussed an allowance at all, which is usually a good sign. As we were dressing and getting ready to leave, I handed her an envelope (as I usually do), and she actually seemed legitimately confused by that. This was the weird part: she said something about "I thought that didn't happen until like the third or fourth meeting". I kinda went "huh? And told her that no, we'd actually met up and spent time together, so I was happy to help out.

We've all talked to girls that expected a gift at the M&G (which of course goes against standard protocol). I don't think I've ever talked to anyone before this who was happy to get together and fuck, but not actually get any allowance until a few meetings later.

Anyone ever had a similar experience?[/QUOTE]I had one similar experience. Very nice looking girl, great body, but probably the craziest I have encountered. Talked non-stop too. No mention of payment but she kept talking about her rich friends, former boyfriend who paid her bills, etc. Had a couple drinks followed by a great romp, she was extremely submissive and liked it a little rough. Sometimes crazy has its advantages. Afterwards when I slipped her the envelope, she said "what's this?" and seemed genuinely surprised. I suppose I could have skipped that step and she wouldn't have even noticed. Too crazy for me to repeat!

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4524895]She got a ride to my place tonight. The good is that she looks like her pics, and maybe a little slimmer. Mid to late 20's. The pussy is very tight, so if you got girth take it easy. The head game was ok, but she seems willing to please.

The bad s that she talks a lot. Keep her focused on the task at hand or she'll go off on a tangent.

Honestly she does not come across as your typical SB although her conversation says she wants something ongoing. Really not sure if I'll repeat, but as I sit here thinking about how tight she was, it will be hard not to repeat. My overall opinion is that she was just ok.[/QUOTE]Been talking with her, she is sporadic in returning text, and goes balistic if you don't respond immediately.

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;4528984]Been talking with her, she is sporadic in returning text, and goes balistic if you don't respond immediately.[/QUOTE]She got a little impatient with me once when I didn't return a text soon enough, then I told her I was busy at work and she was ok after that. IMHO she seems desperate for the cash and I tend to leave those ones alone. There's much better to be had out there, and I don't plan on repeating.

With the Hoidays fast approaching, I am ready to sign back up to SA again.

What's the prepaid card that works with SA the most? Any specific instructions on registering it and using it?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TopGun9;4529414]With the Hoidays fast approaching, I am ready to sign back up to SA again.

What's the prepaid card that works with SA the most? Any specific instructions on registering it and using it?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Gee, this question has been asked and answered so many times it should get a prize for Most FAQ! It's not hard, don't make it hard:

1. Get a OneVanilla gift card. They have Visa and MasterCard versions, sold at CVS, Walmart and probably lots of other places. They all work just fine. Get the kind you add value to once when you buy it, not the loadable ones.

2. Go to OneVanilla website and register a zip code for the card. Any zip code.

3. Use on SA to pay your dues. Use same zip code you registered.

4. Any leftover value you can use for gas or just about anything. With the Visa or MasterCard logo they are good just about everywhere. Gas is good because you can use the unround number value left over down to the cent.

5. You are in charge of answering the question for the next guy, which should happen in about 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]So I had another dinner date with her last week, similar to the others. Didn't have much discussion about allowance other than I told her I was providing 100 ppm in the past but also provided occasional other assistance and paid for vacations, really nice restaurants etc. Her response wasn't enthusiastic but more so she needed to process what that meant for her. We planned a quick lunch date the next day since I was in town. I wasn't expecting a full allowance discussion since it was just lunch and time was limited. We had lunch the next day and as I dropped her off she said she wanted 200 because of past arrangements, what she needed to alleviate her financial burdens blah blah blah etc etc. I said I was at the 100 for my reasons stated. She back pedaled a bit on the vacations and other gifts, saying her schedule was tough to do that anyways and she preferred a higher set amount and no extras. I replied that the trips and extra gifts are important to me because then I know the girl isn't seeing me just for my wallet but also appreciates the other money I spend on her. She asked if she could think about it, kissed me goodbye and left. I saw her back on SA immediately and again the next day so I figured I knew her answer was going to be no. So, I texted her the next day and suggested that our budget wasn't very far apart. It's more a matter of where and how it is spent and we should have a one-on-one discussion about it not in public and not in my car. So, I invited her to my place and said I'd bring her home the next morning unless we couldn't come to an agreement which then I'd bring her home that same evening. She thought that was a great idea so we made plans for last night at my place. She doesn't have a car, so I had to pick her up and drive her to my place (40 minutes each way). Everything went well, we had dinner together and then talked. She wanted 2. I wanted 1 plus extras. I told her I'd provided a little more in the past arrangements if someone else was doing the driving but it is a bit inconvenient to have to transport her back and forth. She wasn't budging. I offered 150 to meet half way. She still wasn't budging but we finally agreed on 175. I figured I'd sample her a few times and if the arrangement was not what the potential looked, I'd just end it down the road and she could do the same. I'm the type that would do the extra stuff for her anyways if things were going well in the long run. The evening was going perfectly, we finished a bottle of vino and set some parameters for an arrangement along with public and bedroom ground rules. She wanted exclusive too. We seemed to really click. Like better than 90% of women I've dated certainly on SA but also my own age. We got to the bedroom and went at the foreplay rather passionately and once I got between her thighs and gave her a light tongue swipe she pulled back and freaked out. She got hit by an anxiety attack and went cold. Tears, the whole bit. I backed off, didn't even try to talk her through it. She said she left her anxiety med at home and just wanted to go home to settle down. She was texting madly with some friend that keeps tabs on her. I suspected a BF or something. So after getting dressed I asked her downstairs if she had a BF. She said no, won't date guys due to their immaturity and lack of honesty which is why she was on SA. It was now after midnight so I asked her if her friend would meet us half way so I didn't have to drive there and back for 90 minutes since I was pretty tired. She texted the friend and said her friend was unable to do so. Some friend I'm thinking. Ok, if you need to go home I will bring you because I'm a man of my word and our arrangement was such that I would keep you safe. The 40 minute ride to her place was dead silent other than me offering her a sip off my water bottle. When she got out of the car, she said thank you and I replied "you're welcome" and that was it. I doubt I'll ever hear from her again.

What a disappointing ending. Finally found one that I clicked with after 5 dates on a different level than all the other girls and it appeared the sex was going to be epic as well only to crash and burn a foot from the finish line. My biggest disappointment is the amount I spent on the dates leading up but I still had fun and made out with a hot young coed and the law of averages probably caught up with me. At least I hadn't given her any cash yet. I made plans today with another SB I met last week. She's coming to my place for dinner and cuddling. The allowance will be a lot less, if any except she's not near as hot as my little Latina. Back to the random pump and dumps for awhile I guess. Beats being married.