"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

What's it worth to you? That's all that matters. I'm in my 60's. My best "value" was a 27 why / o who spent her weekends at my house and I paid her utilities. Bought tires for her car once, because she needed them to be able to safely drive 30 miles to me. She was happy, I was happy. If your girl isn't happy with what you're offering, find another girl. BTW, I operate out of a town of less than 5,000. She lives in a town of about 35,000. I travel often and sample from a range of 150 miles. Next weekend will be with a 21 why / o who is into light bondage. We've been communicating off and on for a couple of months with no mention of an allowance. I'll pay the hotel and slip an envelope with 150 into her purse. Then we'll see where it goes.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]There's nothing wrong with your usual level of sugar if the girl likes you. At $350 she's thinking like an escort. You're two dinners in and you just need to stop spending needlessly. You've more than shown her who you are and your vibe and it's up to her to decide if she wants to spend time with you or not. Be clear about your budget and let her go if she's not happy.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]I'm not in S. Carolina but lurking around also. I was in S. Florida for a few years and I met a female who requested a relationship with me and said she'd like some dough and I said sounds good to me.

My approach was I had a "budget" and there were "rules". I basically said "no pussy, no money. ".

If you explain your budget to the female, she will either 1. Accept it 2. Pretend to accept it until she moves on to a guy with money to spend on her.

Once a female has decided no free pussy for men that's it; you either pay her what she thinks is fair or expect her to leave the arrangement.

I think $150 per meeting is a reasonable amount; that includes the meals or pussy and everything. Over that I won't continue the arrangement.

I once picked up a girl and asked her "ok so are you interested in dinner or in shopping? My budget is for either one. " She picked shopping at Marshall's or Ross or similar. She was happy and modeled the dresses for me later.

If you can't find common ground with prices no amount of game is going to help; look for another because she is looking for the guy who is willing to spend more money.

[QUOTE=Dash;4522690]I think $150 per meeting is a reasonable amount; that includes the meals or pussy and everything. Over that I won't continue the arrangement.

I once picked up a girl and asked her "ok so are you interested in dinner or in shopping? My budget is for either one. " She picked shopping at Marshall's or Ross or similar. She was happy and modeled the dresses for me later.[/QUOTE]I use $200 as my limit and so far only hit it once. And that included everything: Happy hour, FC and ppm.

You are nicer than I am in a sense. I do not offer shopping, but then I have an SO so I cannot be seen walking around in public. I meet at the restaurant Happy Hour (I choose the place) and then straight to the FC. That seems to make it fun for the girls (as opposed to meeting at the FC) and by the time we hit the FC she is having fun and laughing a lot, so it does not feel transactional.

I must comment that you post some really good stuff, so no need to call yourself a lurker or think you are clogging the board. You are helping out a lot of mongers in the SD / SB game.

EDIT: I should add that there are so many hot SBs happy with the alpha male company and $ ppm that even entertaining 250 and 300 ppm SBs just seem like a waste to me. For each one of those higher ppm ones, there is an equivalent SB thrilled with 100. It just takes a little of patience and time to sift them out.

Must have have some serious game, your younger, or something to be hitting all the hot pussy your talking about for $100 to $150 and the girls to be ecstatic about it.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4523428]I use $200 as my limit and so far only hit it once. And that included everything: Happy hour, FC and ppm.

You are nicer than I am in a sense. I do not offer shopping, but then I have an SO so I cannot be seen walking around in public. I meet at the restaurant Happy Hour (I choose the place) and then straight to the FC. That seems to make it fun for the girls (as opposed to meeting at the FC) and by the time we hit the FC she is having fun and laughing a lot, so it does not feel transactional.

I must comment that you post some really good stuff, so no need to call yourself a lurker or think you are clogging the board. You are helping out a lot of mongers in the SD / SB game.

EDIT: I should add that there are so many hot SBs happy with the alpha male company and $ ppm that even entertaining 250 and 300 ppm SBs just seem like a waste to me. For each one of those higher ppm ones, there is an equivalent SB thrilled with 100. It just takes a little of patience and time to sift them out.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=BStreet;4523503]Must have have some serious game, your younger, or something to be hitting all the hot pussy your talking about for $100 to $150 and the girls to be ecstatic about it.[/QUOTE]Or I work through the hot girls and find the ones who are in it for the thrill, want real male company and are tired of dating dumb young guys who do not know how to treat them and fuck them, i.e. , the $ is but a part of the total reason for them being on the site, not the main or only reason they are there.

Some game is needed, but nothing special. I mentioned before that my wife was a former Ford model in NY = hot as hell. Even hotter when she added 20 lbs after modeling was over. Many guys have asked me how I got her. Hate to break it, but there is no secret. All I did was only ask out babes who were drop dead gorgeous. Did not waste my time with anything else. Got lots of rejections, but a fair share of "I would love to go out. " One of them turned into a wife, and she is still around.

Some 30 years later, I am doing the same thing on SA. Approach only hot babes and some 10% will seriously bite if you seem like a nice guy. And, if you really turn out to be nice guy, over half of those will bang you happily for not much. The $ is really icing on the cake for those girls. Basic math. No major game involved.

I'm lurking and the experience I am relating was in S. Florida where there is much more female talent so it may not apply everywhere so just for what it's worth.

"Baby" #1 acted like she was interested in being something like a girlfriend but we didn't hang around much outside of my condo. She didn't care about wining and dining; she was from a poor family and dated broke guys so didn't have experience eating out often and didn't care. I would give her $100 every time I saw her naked; sometimes she had an emergency like a flat tire ($70) I would pay for it. If I took her shopping it was once at Ross and I spend $24. I was introduced to her socially, she is not on any dating site or Seeking Arrangement. Her coworker had bragged to her about me which piqued her interest. She didn't complain about the $100 just she was always in some financial difficulty; broken or lost iPhone, car needed work, etc. She was still doing some health care training for some kind of certificate. She was a tee totaler who developed a love for champagne which we had before the action. She was 21 when we started.

"UTR"#2 She was introduced to me by a friend who was sometimes a rich dude's sugar baby but I would call both call girls. Mine was much more UTR than our mutual acquaintance. This UTR girl was also very pretty and had a regular day job farther south from my location, maybe Miami. She would come over to my place and we would have mimosas in the am then hit the sheets. She didn't ask me for money and I gave her $100. She was very happy with this amount and would text me often hoping to come back to see me. We would go to a fun Cuban restaurant sometimes after the action.

Chubby "semi baby"#3 Baby #1 had a friend whom I met once or twice; she was 36, Haitian, single mom, very friendly and very chubby. She would talk on the phone to me about her difficulties and I invited her and her son up to splash in our pool on her day off. She cannot compare in looks to the others but she was very easy to be around and not a flake. She always said she wished she could meet a sugar daddy; I told her that it's hard work to do; she would have to work out a lot to maintain her figure, etc. This is probably mean, but I just thought she should realize how gorgeous broke females were all over S. Florida.

She came over on her day off to talk about her 401 K and etc. And we had a glass of lemonade. I got the vibes from her and I pulled down my shorts right there and whipped out my dick and she grabbed it. We hit the bedroom and she was a lot of fun; we would look at porn on my iPad laying next to each other to get warmed up. She was totally cool and I would give her $40 or $50 every time I saw her and she didn't complain.

If my spending ever came up, I would give an excuse that although I had money in investments, I didn't want to spend it down too quickly; I would talk about the taxes which I would pay and how I must be careful not to spend too quickly, I am not yet receiving social security, etc. This explanation was acceptable if the need arose.

Now I am far away from Florida in California and all 3 girls keep in touch with me; baby #1 and semi-baby #3 call me too.

Probably if I had met them on Seeking Arrangement my transactions would have been more expensive and the girls more like hookers; I don't know but I will find out.

Do I actually deep down trust them? No, it's not possible to trust them because there is both a need for money and a history of my paying money involved.

I guess I can sometimes balance my behavior between being a pushover and too controlling; I guess I'm just polite and hope for the best and watch my wallet always.

A few days ago I described an amazing M / G that led to a very hot in car experience, to be followed by a date scheduled for yesterday. Lots of anticipatory "can't wait" type messages exchanged both ways over the last few days, including a nasty (in the good sense) message from her when she got home from work on Tuesday. I replied in a similarly nasty vein right away, expecting to hear from her later that evening. No reply at all. Then I messaged early yesterday (Wednesday) morning inquiring about the logistics of our planned meeting. Again, no reply -- and so of course no date. But I do see she was back on SA last night. So, should I message and ask what went wrong for curiosity if no other reason. Or, since she kind of blew me off, just forget about her and move on (I do have at least 2 good options still in my queue). What would others do?

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4523885]A few days ago I described an amazing M / G that led to a very hot in car experience, to be followed by a date scheduled for yesterday. Lots of anticipatory "can't wait" type messages exchanged both ways over the last few days, including a nasty (in the good sense) message from her when she got home from work on Tuesday. I replied in a similarly nasty vein right away, expecting to hear from her later that evening. No reply at all. Then I messaged early yesterday (Wednesday) morning inquiring about the logistics of our planned meeting. Again, no reply -- and so of course no date. But I do see she was back on SA last night. So, should I message and ask what went wrong for curiosity if no other reason. Or, since she kind of blew me off, just forget about her and move on (I do have at least 2 good options still in my queue). What would others do?[/QUOTE]Just my common rule to go by, but its if I've sent two messages after their most recent reply and don't get a response I let it go & move on. I get it that these girls are getting a ton of attention but no one's that busy that over a two or three day period that if they're truly interested that they can't respond at least once over a couple day period. If they're actually interested they'll get back to you just out of common courtesy.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4523885]A few days ago I described an amazing M / G that led to a very hot in car experience, to be followed by a date scheduled for yesterday. Lots of anticipatory "can't wait" type messages exchanged both ways over the last few days, including a nasty (in the good sense) message from her when she got home from work on Tuesday. I replied in a similarly nasty vein right away, expecting to hear from her later that evening. No reply at all. Then I messaged early yesterday (Wednesday) morning inquiring about the logistics of our planned meeting. Again, no reply -- and so of course no date. But I do see she was back on SA last night. So, should I message and ask what went wrong for curiosity if no other reason. Or, since she kind of blew me off, just forget about her and move on (I do have at least 2 good options still in my queue). What would others do?[/QUOTE]Move on.

In 2019, any female who doesn't reply to a couple of messages is best left alone. Not only to save your time, but to avoid her claiming you are making her uncomfortable or stalking her.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4523885]What would others do?[/QUOTE]I would do what Dimples572 said. One thing that must be remembered is SA fills an attention getting narcissistic need for many women who never intend on putting out fully. They get their high on feeling wanted and then move on to next guy. Need to weed those out fast and move on. Too many fish in the sea to spend time on one that purposely cut the line.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4517600][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/100b4682-62b5-40dd-b052-f09b9a184c01[/URL]

Anyone have intel on this SB? In my messaging with her she seems like a traditional pro.[/QUOTE]Did you meet up with her?

[QUOTE=RVASpider;4524342]Did you meet up with her?[/QUOTE]Actually I have something set up for tonight. I will report back.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4524383]Actually I have something set up for tonight. I will report back.[/QUOTE]Please do. I've been texting with her but haven't been able to find time that works for me. Are you going to her place?

[QUOTE=RVASpider;4524402]Please do. I've been texting with her but haven't been able to find time that works for me. Are you going to her place?[/QUOTE]She got a ride to my place tonight. The good is that she looks like her pics, and maybe a little slimmer. Mid to late 20's. The pussy is very tight, so if you got girth take it easy. The head game was ok, but she seems willing to please.

The bad s that she talks a lot. Keep her focused on the task at hand or she'll go off on a tangent.

Honestly she does not come across as your typical SB although her conversation says she wants something ongoing. Really not sure if I'll repeat, but as I sit here thinking about how tight she was, it will be hard not to repeat. My overall opinion is that she was just ok.