"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Another adventure today that if someone else wrote it I wouldn't believe, but it did happen to me -- and I'm far from the youngest or best looking or richest guy on SA. But I do keep myself in very good shape, and I guess I do have pretty good "game" and a fair amount of experience and confidence.

Anyway, had a M / G today with an early 30's elementary school teacher. We had been exchanging messages for weeks with long gaps and I'd kind of forgotten about her. We finally started messaging on email 3 days ago and set our "say hi" meeting for today. I had no expectations but, as always, was hopeful. (I usually go to these things "commando style" just in case, LOL).

It turned out her face was not as pretty as her pics -- a little older looking, maybe, not quite so glam. Her profile said 31, but I'm guessing 35-40 in reality. But her body was spinner-smoking, maybe a size 2 I'm guessing. We met at a coffee shop, but she immediately agreed to my suggestion that my car was a more private place to talk -- always a good sign. We had done a little B / D fooling around in our emails, and when she said she wasn't looking for a boyfriend but did want to have a sex life, I took that as my cue to ask if she was a genuine submissive. She said she was, and I asked ok, right here? She said yes, and (still in the coffee shop parking lot!) I told her to loosen her jeans and get herself off. She asked if it was ok if she got my car seat wet -- I said no problem -- and she came twice in less than two minutes. Good, loud intense ones, too. Then we were french kissing and her hand was on my dick through my pants.

Then she agreed to drive to a more secluded spot I knew for my fun -- BJ and ball licking. While she was doing that I reached around and stuck my hand under her jeans and put my finger up her asshole and she came again two more times with my finger in her ass and my dick in her mouth.

She had told me earlier she had some bills to pay but never asked for any thing in particular and I gave her a modest gift.

School lets out early Wednesday and we have a date for her house early afternoon to do all the things we didn't do today.

How do you tell the difference between when you've been blocked vs when their account has been deactivated? Pretty sure I've got an example of both in the two messages I circled in the attached screenshot. Thanks.

Posting this here since you guys are by far the most open and educated.

Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?

I know WYP and SB play games with girls profile just not sure if SA follows suit.

Thanks,

Paul.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4518827]Posting this here since you guys are by far the most open and educated.

Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?

I know WYP and SB play games with girls profile just not sure if SA follows suit.

Thanks,

Paul.[/QUOTE]It shows them as active for an hour past their last activity. So if a girl signs off at 5 pm, she's still active at 5:59.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4518827]Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?
[/QUOTE]Yes, however it does usually indicate she was recently. Session status indicators, in all systems are inherently unreliable. It gets even bit more confusing when mobile apps enter the scene. Not to change the subject but if you get to the point where you're worried about whether a girl is online and ignoring you or not, you're focusing on the wrong thing. Flakes happen all the time and are part of the game. Worrying about any one girl is time that could be spent lining up another.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4519128]It shows them as active for an hour past their last activity. So if a girl signs off at 5 pm, she's still active at 5:59.[/QUOTE]If they are running the Android app in the background without realizing it, does it refresh the timer? I've never tried testing it.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;4518475]How do you tell the difference between when you've been blocked vs when their account has been deactivated? Pretty sure I've got an example of both in the two messages I circled in the attached screenshot. Thanks.[/QUOTE]My assumption, and this is purely a guess, is that "SUGAR BABY" means they did actually close their account, while seeing the username means they probably blocked you.

Wondering if you guys have ever encountered this before.

Met a gorgeous, sweet and very submissive (but apparently sheltered) 18 year old.

Prior to the M&G, I had a phone chat with her, which I do on a case-by-case basis. In this case she seemed almost TGTBT and I wanted to not only confirm she was real but if so, make sure I played the sales game optimally.

She was what exactly she described herself as (18, which I verified by drivers license at the M&G table). Super sweet, sexually inexperienced, recently out of highschool and only in her first couple of months of college. I guess being away from mom and dad exposed her to other girls that were sugaring, and that prompted her to try.

But she kept calling me "Sir" on the phone. Yes sir, no sir. I said I wanted her to be herself with me, the yes sir and no sir was not required and to just call me by my first name. I'm no stranger to the yes-sir thing during submissive bedroom play, but I was afraid that if I didn't make her as comfortable as possible, she was a flight risk and would flake prior to the M&G due to cold feet. I wanted to give her every reason to show up, starting with being as comfortable with me as possible.

It paid off, she showed up and I could tell she went from nervous to completely charmed in a matter of minutes, she liked me better in person than my pics and I guess I was running my A game that night, so it was off to the FC.

Fucking her was an absolute joy, she was inexperienced like she said but that was part of the fun. Her eagerness to please, while not completely knowing what to do, was part of the magic of the encounter. She said her sexual experience was limited to three guys her age, and I fully believe it after having her.

In the middle of sex, she starts with baby-daddy talk. She had researched the lifestyle pretty well over the web before our date, and it was probably a by-product of that or exposure to lots of sugar related porn. Calling me daddy and being submissive in general seemed to be her comfort zone.

So my question is, have any of you guys encountered one of these? So submissive she's already talking to you as if you're a hardcore BDSM master, but yet so sexually inexperienced that she couldn't possibly be doing it out of practice or habit.

If so, how did you handle it? Did you play along and demand subserviance or did you do what I did and place a priority on making sure she shows up so you actually get a chance to taste that 18 year old not yet broken-in pussy?

[QUOTE=Dimples572;4518475]How do you tell the difference between when you've been blocked vs when their account has been deactivated? Pretty sure I've got an example of both in the two messages I circled in the attached screenshot. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Have a second SA account. Don't pay the $89/ month for it.

Just use it to look at the SBs account to see if it is still there.

I agree with OliverNP, though. If you are worrying about a SB blocking you, you are playing the wrong game on SA. Don't get attached to one girl if she doesn't show interest.

Your time is much better spent moving on to one of the hundreds of other SBs who will attend to your needs.

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But she kept calling me "Sir" on the phone. Yes sir, no sir. [/QUOTE]When I get that in texting, I ask "Sir? Military brat, Southern Belle or submissive?" and the answer is usually B & C or All of the Above.

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If so, how did you handle it? Did you play along and demand subserviance or did you do what I did and place a priority on making sure she shows up so you actually get a chance to taste that 18 year old not yet broken-in pussy?[/QUOTE]I doubt she truly understands the BDSM master dynamic unless she has done EXTENSIVE porn watching and really gotten into it, which woudl be rare. I'd say just take it as basic submission. Spank her, choke her, pull her hair, talk dirty and a little degrading and reciprocated wiht the DD / LG side of things. That's probably as extreme as she is looking for unless she is a total freak.

Granted, I did meet such a freak in Chicago. 23, living with a 42 yo dom and she gets off being abused by cock and treated like a ***** -- I'm talking pro level kink. But only one like that in 5 years and nearly 70 SBs served.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4519681]When I get that in texting, I ask "Sir? Military brat, Southern Belle or submissive?" and the answer is usually B & C or All of the Above.

I doubt she truly understands the BDSM master dynamic unless she has done EXTENSIVE porn watching and really gotten into it, which woudl be rare. I'd say just take it as basic submission. Spank her, choke her, pull her hair, talk dirty and a little degrading and reciprocated wiht the DD / LG side of things. That's probably as extreme as she is looking for unless she is a total freak.[/QUOTE]I think you're right, both that she's naturally submissive and didn't have any sort of BDSM angle. A lot of things like choking would have really rattled this little girls cage, she was a bit too fragile for that. To give you an idea, she was still referring to adults as "grown ups". LOL. I think one would need to hear her speak to hear the level of maturity (or lack of I should say).

I rarely get the same innocence vibe I got from her, even from girls her age. I got the feeling she was saying "yes sir" mainly because she was nervous / skittish. Even in her original profile she indicated she was looking for something a bit more beginner-friendly than what she thought most would be looking for.

I was tempted to play it for all it's worth and really unlock that submissive side sexually, but it was kind of like landing a prize fish on fragile line. The thought of potentially missing out on that sweet pussy if she got cold feet was enough to make me adjust my game to make sure I got her to the FC. And yeah, it was worth it. One of my more memorable SBs.

Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]TBH, everything you wrote above is probably what you should tell her. Don't break your bank for trim, you have a budget and if she wants it she knows what she needs to do. You may need to change your expectations of when where and how often, but if you are looking for a sugar relationship rather than a pump and dump youd be better off communicating openly. If she can't get past it then you just saved a shit ton of cash.

[QUOTE=PaulRew;4518827]Posting this here since you guys are by far the most open and educated.

Is there a possibility that an SB profile says she is on line when in fact she is not?

I know WYP and SB play games with girls profile just not sure if SA follows suit.

Thanks,

Paul.[/QUOTE]If she's got the app running on her phone it will show her as online.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]One thing I would point out is there is zero correlation to the amount of $$ given to an SB in relation to how hot she is, how young she is, how well she fucks, how clean she is and how much you enjoy being around her and she around you. Absolutely none whatsoever, so the 350 ppm is really irrelevant to the whole thing because there are definitely babes just as hot and more fun for much lower. Therefore, if she is beyond your budget, then move on.

Think of it this way. She already got 2 really nice dinners out of you. I have been having fun with a 19 yr old (slim, great boobs and just plain hot) and have yet to spend more than $25 at happy hours and she is happy to go and fuck for 3 - 4 hours after that. I give her 100 ppm and she never questions or complains and always shows up on time with a smile, clean as heck and tons of fun. Just brought another like her into the rotation, so that makes two in that age range and price.

Unlike the SB you are talking to, I was never compared (at least to my face) with what other SDs did for her in the past. And if she ever did that I would have asked her, "How would you like it if I compared what your arrangement should be to the hottest babe I ever had?" I bet that would end that comparison right there.

However, given that I almost cannot get my main SB to leave when we meet and she enjoys hanging around watching movies etc. I know for sure she is in it for the fun, a real male connection and she does not have to worry that I am a creep or anything. In short, she is accepting the 100 ppm for a great fuck, fun, and a sense of safety. And, if I were to venture a good guess, it is the safety part that probably means the most to her. 350 ppm would not last long if I were a creep or unpleasant to be around, simply because she would move on from that situation.

My overall point - if the SB you are talking to and already taking out to dinners is in it for the total environment (likes you, likes your company, likes how you fuck her, and likes how you make her feel at the end), not just the $$, then she would accept lower than 350. If she would not accept less than 350, then she is just a flat-out civie escort deluding herself into thinking she is an out-for-fun SB. In that case, you are not taking out an SB; you are taking out an escort.

Just my 2 cents.