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[QUOTE=SlamTabb;6697290]I paid $$4 for a half but we visited Greece so..[/QUOTE]Gentlemen when are we going to stop letting these Providers shaft us not in a good way? As most should know by now the current rate at the top locals is $$. 4 for an hour unless other upgrades have been discussed. If you pay for an hour insist that you get the time paid for, or get an equal amount of money back. If Mongers let them get away with this then we will all be paying more in the near future.
[QUOTE=Nudeed;6698167]Gentlemen when are we going to stop letting these Providers shaft us not in a good way? As most should know by now the current rate at the top locals is $$. 4 for an hour unless other upgrades have been discussed. If you pay for an hour insist that you get the time paid for, or get an equal amount of money back. If Mongers let them get away with this then we will all be paying more in the near future.[/QUOTE]We can all thank the simps who treat these parlor girls like they are the first piece of pussy they ever had and overpay for standard service. They take the info that other mongers have shared in good faith and use it to fuck up the market so the girls treat them "special" (LOL).
Funny how some guys will howl like wounded dogs when another guy occasionally gives a gorgeous girl $$$ instead of $$4. I dropped that amount on a recent holiday. A slow day for that spa. On an incredible sexy girl whose delicious lips sucked my dick while another girl came in and started sucking my balls and licked my crack and ran her tongue into my asshole. And the first girl kept on sucking my cock like a champ. Just the sight of that was almost enough to make me cum. You're telling me that wasn't worth an extra $60? And yes I think I got better treatment because they got more money.
No, I don't always do that. Depends on how much money I have and how much I want to guarantee a good time. Sometimes I've gone in the opposite direction with the tip when I felt I was getting scammed and haven't tipped upfront. Some of these girls are not interested or interesting. I can often tell how fun they will be by talking to them for a minute or less. Not always. Been fooled a few times both ways. Most times though I have a good time. Been scammed more often on cuddle sites where they pretend to be ready to fuck your brains out and then once the cash for the overpriced "session" is in their hands they lightly stroke your arm and spend half the time talking about their health problems and terrible ex-boyfriends.
Saw her last night and wow those tits are amazing. She said she'll actually be here until Thursday next week because the new girl got delayed. Did 2 rounds and at first she asked me to tip extra but when we finished the 2nd she said extra wasn't needed. She also said she would be back after a couple of months.
That is the question! lol.
Given that these girls see dozens of guys every week, I can't imagine that the occasional odd man out over tipping is going to ruin the game for everyone. What I can imagine is that the girls remember the guys that treat them well. Just like with servers at restaurants where one is a regular, they'll be sure to provide exceptional service knowing it will be worth their while if they do.
These days, I pay the standard (240/hour) and if a girl [u][b]really[/b][/u] goes above and beyond, I'll show my appreciation for that in the tip. I am not advocating blindly over tipping though. The girls also remember/recognize that, I'm sure. To paraphrase a famous proverb "A simp and his money are soon parted".
Unfortunately overpaying makes these gals expect it and that effects their attitude.
Solution, stop doing it!
When they are slow they become willing to please much more easily as well.
[QUOTE=StyleNProfile;6698342]We can all thank the simps who treat these parlor girls like they are the first piece of pussy they ever had and overpay for standard service. They take the info that other mongers have shared in good faith and use it to fuck up the market so the girls treat them "special" (LOL).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BigInJapan;6699083]That is the question! lol.
Given that these girls see dozens of guys every week, I can't imagine that the occasional odd man out over tipping is going to ruin the game for everyone. What I can imagine is that the girls remember the guys that treat them well. Just like with servers at restaurants where one is a regular, they'll be sure to provide exceptional service knowing it will be worth their while if they do.
These days, I pay the standard (240/hour) and if a girl [u][b]really[/b][/u] goes above and beyond, I'll show my appreciation for that in the tip. I am not advocating blindly over tipping though. The girls also remember/recognize that, I'm sure. To paraphrase a famous proverb "A simp and his money are soon parted".[/QUOTE]100% agree. I'm not into overpaying for no reason. I always pay the standard rate and will occasionally reward above and beyond service with some extra. If the going rate goes up. No big deal. I get above and beyond treatment all the time. Not because I sometimes tip extra but because I'm good looking, good hygiene, and the girls I see know that I treat them like a human being.
Without tipping anything extra. I regularly get treatment that most of you could only dream of. Earlier this year. I had a girl that I had been seeing regularly off and on for a few months and never tipped her anything above the standard rate -- but also knew when her birthday was so I surprised her with an extra 1 k tip that day.
But I'm so sick and tired of hearing people whine about how they're going to "get priced out of the market" and trying to shame or insult those who do reward the girls.
Here's the hard truth If you can't throw that level of money away without it causing you any concern then you clearly can't afford the hobby. I'm doing really well these days but I was incredibly poor when I was younger. So while I understand the whining. I also have no sympathy. I'm sorry that you work in retail and can't afford better. Your financial situation is not my problem.
There shouldn't be a standard rate. Capitalism says that the really good women should be more expensive than the older and average gals. That's how it is in other cities. I'm happy to pay more for the top girls and let the people who can't afford as much to go see the lower quality women at a lower rate.
So stop bitching about what others pay. Let's just enjoy the hobby and stop putting your inadequacies on other people.
Agree 100%. Especially for us out of towners, a few extra bucks is always good to give the best chance of a rewarding experience.
Now onto more important topics. Who is in the new line up at Gardenia for December? Any talent on the younger end (20's)?
[QUOTE=OlderThanRocks;6699182]100% agree. I'm not into overpaying for no reason. I always pay the standard rate and will occasionally reward above and beyond service with some extra. If the going rate goes up. No big deal. I get above and beyond treatment all the time. Not because I sometimes tip extra but because I'm good looking, good hygiene, and the girls I see know that I treat them like a human being.
Without tipping anything extra. I regularly get treatment that most of you could only dream of. Earlier this year. I had a girl that I had been seeing regularly off and on for a few months and never tipped her anything above the standard rate -- but also knew when her birthday was so I surprised her with an extra 1 k tip that day.
But I'm so sick and tired of hearing people whine about how they're going to "get priced out of the market" and trying to shame or insult those who do reward the girls.
Here's the hard truth If you can't throw that level of money away without it causing you any concern then you clearly can't afford the hobby. I'm doing really well these days but I was incredibly poor when I was younger. So while I understand the whining. I also have no sympathy. I'm sorry that you work in retail and can't afford better. Your financial situation is not my problem.
There shouldn't be a standard rate. Capitalism says that the really good women should be more expensive than the older and average gals. That's how it is in other cities. I'm happy to pay more for the top girls and let the people who can't afford as much to go see the lower quality women at a lower rate.
So stop bitching about what others pay. Let's just enjoy the hobby and stop putting your inadequacies on other people.[/QUOTE]
It's really interesting having known most of these girls from other cities where they charge a bit of a premium (7 total). My gift for them was always $$.5 flat across the board, even $$.2 sometimes if there wasn't a table shower. Seeing the same girls up there now, they tell me the guys here are cheap. Not that I don't sympathize with you guys but it's not that much of a difference. I handed $$.5 to one of the new girls working with one of the girls I know and she went to get me $10 change and I told her to keep it. She was genuinely surprised and gave me a deep kiss and pushed me back on the table for more fun since it wasn't busy. I've gotten crazy mileage from $$.5 gifts. I'm not dropping 1 k tips but I'm also not getting ripped off either (minus the Black Friday fiasco). I wouldn't say I'm the best looking guy but I treat them well and take care of them. The girls will find ways to keep me in the spa, not kick me out at the end of my hour. A lot of you guys are fixated on rushing to get a 2nd serving in, but I'm focused on taking care of them. The girls have returned the favor many times over to me.
So here's what I will say: Worry less about how much you have to give and more about how to get the best out of what you give. Because I've never given more than $$. 5 and I've gotten way more than most of you would think of.
[QUOTE=OlderThanRocks;6699182]100% agree. I'm not into overpaying for no reason. I always pay the standard rate and will occasionally reward above and beyond service with some extra. If the going rate goes up. No big deal. I get above and beyond treatment all the time. Not because I sometimes tip extra but because I'm good looking, good hygiene, and the girls I see know that I treat them like a human being.
Without tipping anything extra. I regularly get treatment that most of you could only dream of. Earlier this year. I had a girl that I had been seeing regularly off and on for a few months and never tipped her anything above the standard rate -- but also knew when her birthday was so I surprised her with an extra 1 k tip that day.
But I'm so sick and tired of hearing people whine about how they're going to "get priced out of the market" and trying to shame or insult those who do reward the girls.
Here's the hard truth If you can't throw that level of money away without it causing you any concern then you clearly can't afford the hobby. I'm doing really well these days but I was incredibly poor when I was younger. So while I understand the whining. I also have no sympathy. I'm sorry that you work in retail and can't afford better. Your financial situation is not my problem..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChicagoStud;6699221]Agree 100%. Especially for us out of towners, a few extra bucks is always good to give the best chance of a rewarding experience.
Now onto more important topics. Who is in the new line up at Gardenia for December? Any talent on the younger end (20's)?[/QUOTE]I was there yesterday. Saw that there were two new girls there. One was really pretty and a slightly fuller figure, the other one looked young and was super thin (too thin for my tastes). Was introduced and offered the new girls but I already had my mind set on one of my favorites so I turned them both down. Unfortunately can't remember either of their names.
My experience is that no matter how young the girls look or say they are. They are always older. I'd say that honestly most girls doing this work are in the 30-45 range. I know one girl in her mid-50's that people in this forum all rated in her 20's. In all my years, the youngest that I've ever truly met (and verified) was 27.
[QUOTE=OlderThanRocks;6699276]My experience is that no matter how young the girls look or say they are. They are always older. I'd say that honestly most girls doing this work are in the 30-45 range. I know one girl in her mid-50's that people in this forum all rated in her 20's. In all my years, the youngest that I've ever truly met (and verified) was 27.[/QUOTE]An utterly brilliant old philosopher once said (ok... it was me!):[list]
[b]I don't know or care about their AGE! I don't fuck whatever number they may say is their age, I fuck their LOOKS[/b]![/list]So, if they [u]LOOK[/u] 25 years old, by conventional age standards for American Girls, then that's what we should care about. We all know conventional age standards for Asian Girls are, generally, much different than what most American men are used to and able to accurately discern. My solution is to report age like this: "[u]Myrtle has the LOOK of a 25-year-old[/u]" ... and leave it at that. Most readers here all KNOW what that look is like, and [b]that's[/b] what we'll be LOOKING at while we fuck 'em! Easy-Peasy!
Now, if one has the LOOK of a [u]12-year-old[/u], then I wanna see some ID proving she's at least 18! But I don't see any of us running into such a situation with the girls or places being reported about here.
Been a while.
First I went to Gardenia and I saw a black vehicle with someone inside just sitting in front of the place so I drove around and parked and watched the place for a few minutes.
Nothing happen but I saw a couple of yall walk in one right after the other lolol. Yall crazy. Literally door closed and other walked right in so someone bumped into other. Awkward haha.
So I decided to visit Tokyo instead. Met a pretty girl there named Lola and her friend "JoJo" or "JuJu" couldn't really understand. Both pretty girls. Jojo a bit thicker wish I had gotten her but all good. Lola was pretty and pretty bolt ons.
She took care of me very well. TS. Salad tossed. Lots of GFE.
Left satisfied.
I do a lot of travelling for work and have been reading the different city forums for a while and just decided to start adding my 2 cents. Was in MCO recently and, after reading reports, was very interested in visiting Angela at Let's Relax. Right as I was about to visit, someone posted a review stating that Angela wasn't as attractive as people were claiming. Made me start to second guess my choice but I stuck with my gut and made the trip. Really glad I did. She was very attractive and also very bubbly and flirtatious. They tried to get me to with someone else (Angela busy, not free for 1 hr) but I said I would come back. That is when they said "Ok" and shortly after she waltzed in wearing her birthday suit. Very nice! Had all of the same activities as previously reported and it was a really wonderful visit. She was funny, too. Kept on shaking her head and laughing at herself. "Oh, Angela. Too much wet! Too much wet! I heard she may not be around soon, so if you are considering a visit, I highly recommend.
BTW. Out of all the cities I travel to, MOC is definitely one of the tops for this hobby. San Diego is also a good one.
[QUOTE=OrlandoMcKoy;6699515]Nothing happen but I saw a couple of yall walk in one right after the other lolol. Yall crazy. Literally door closed and other walked right in so someone bumped into other. Awkward haha.[/QUOTE]Honestly. Wouldn't it be better (without the syphilis and gonorrhea, anyway) if this "sport" were like the old western days. Roll into the saloon with a few buddies after a long day at work. Grab a beer / whiskey, relax and wait for your turn with the ladies? All of this "don't make eye contact" stuff is just silly. It shouldn't be an issue, as long as you don't bump into your pastor, your wife, your brother-in-law, or your dad / son, when visiting these wonderful establishments.
I walked into MM a few years ago (before the Sp-apocalypse), and there must have been 4-5 dudes hanging out in the front room, waiting their turn. Everyone looking like a spanked puppy, refusing to make eye contact. If I wasn't on a time crunch, I would have ran to the grocery store and picked up a 12 pack of beer, to bring back to the waiting room, for an impromptu tailgate (oddly appropriate word for the scenario) party in the waiting room. Wonder what Keiko would have said, about that?
Anyway, there is no reason to get worked up about bumping into each other, when visiting these places. It's no BFD. Enjoy the sport and don't worry about what other people think. Nobody (at least here, anyway) should care. Unless I got there first. .
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw4xe-hzYUQ[/URL]
[QUOTE=FootyFanatic14;6699224]So here's what I will say: Worry less about how much you have to give and more about how to get the best out of what you give. Because I've never given more than $$. 5 and I've gotten way more than most of you would think of.[/QUOTE]Even just moderate gestures of appreciation can yield great rewards. It's amazing how bringing few snacks, a Boba tea or cold Ramune to start the session can really extend the level and duration of fun.
I frequently give the providers a massage at some point in the session, as well. You know how random girls will sometimes poke their heads in the door, in the middle of a visit? Got "busted" by another girl, when giving my primary a massage. She wanted some massage as well, so ended up with an impromptu 4 hands session, that went overtime due to the additional massage for the additional girl. That's a pretty good trade off.
Knowing that there has been a lot of rotation at Gardenia, Tokyo, etc. I swung by Tokyo this afternoon to see the new talent.
One of the new girls opened the door in a tight little black dress, took me by the hand and into the room. Once the door was closed she introduced herself and then wrapped her arms around my neck and started making out with me. Her name is Lola and she is very, very pretty. Long dark hair, good curves (probably C cup). She's a little bit on the shorter side for me but we managed just fine.
I don't want to write a penthouse forum letter. But it was a really, really good session. Total GFE. I held her up in the air while she wrapped her legs around me and was grinding against me while we made out. After a little while I sat her on the edge of the table as we slowly took each other's clothes off. I laid her down and started kissing all over her body and we were doing a modified 69 with her on her side and me half on the table half-off. Suited up and get her on top of me while I was sitting on the edge of the table. Then doggy. And finished in mish.
I would say that she's right up there with Blue at the other store or Kiki from MM in terms of passion but she's looks a bit younger than either of them.
[QUOTE=FootyFanatic14;6699224]It's really interesting having known most of these girls from other cities where they charge a bit of a premium (7 total). My gift for them was always $$.5 flat across the board, even $$.2 sometimes if there wasn't a table shower. Seeing the same girls up there now, they tell me the guys here are cheap. Not that I don't sympathize with you guys but it's not that much of a difference. I handed $$.5 to one of the new girls working with one of the girls I know and she went to get me $10 change and I told her to keep it. She was genuinely surprised and gave me a deep kiss and pushed me back on the table for more fun since it wasn't busy. I've gotten crazy mileage from $$.5 gifts. I'm not dropping 1 k tips but I'm also not getting ripped off either (minus the Black Friday fiasco). I wouldn't say I'm the best looking guy but I treat them well and take care of them. The girls will find ways to keep me in the spa, not kick me out at the end of my hour. A lot of you guys are fixated on rushing to get a 2nd serving in, but I'm focused on taking care of them. The girls have returned the favor many times over to me.
So here's what I will say: Worry less about how much you have to give and more about how to get the best out of what you give. Because I've never given more than $$. 5 and I've gotten way more than most of you would think of.[/QUOTE]Exactly. It's my habit to give more than asked for a few reasons.
1) I am average looking, middle aged, and not well hung. So some things I can do to make myself a bit more memorable and welcomed when I return are be to be polite, respectful, and personable; and to give a little extra unasked. I also don't stress over getting a second round in. I'd rather kick back and relax with them if we have extra time.
2) I don't want to talk about money after a session has started. If a girl is the type that keeps asking for more as we progress, it kills the mood for me and I probably won't see her again.
3) It's really not that extra. It's a 25 percent tip. People also tip me that much in my service business sometimes (no I'm not a waiter LOL).
If someone is a rockstar or so charming that they will be remembered and greeted as sweetly as I am without having to tip, good for them! But my method works for me.
Decided to try let's Relax for the first time today, I've been going to Gardenia since things opened back up. I have to stay by saying I love the parking at Let's Relax, it's downstairs and the spa is right at the top of the stairs, almost as discreet as you can get. Monica / blue is my ATF but today I wanted somebody new, I walk inside and guess who greats me? Monica LOL. I told her I wanted to see get but she said she had very pretty new girl, so I gave in. A few min go by and Ada walks in and she was really cute. I don't know if she was new by she seemed really submissive. We've reviewed these spa's a thousand times so everything is on par with the service that's expected, the only difference was that Ada have more of a GF experience than a PSE experience, she seemed so innocent and cute, skin was a bit tanned and she had the sexiest man mades, large b / small c, dark hair past her shoulders, typical AMP backside. I went around 2 pm and they weren't busy at all.
[QUOTE=OlderThanRocks;6699276]
My experience is that no matter how young the girls look or say they are. They are always older. I'd say that honestly most girls doing this work are in the 30-45 range. I know one girl in her mid-50's that people in this forum all rated in her 20's. In all my years, the youngest that I've ever truly met (and verified) was 27.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree. I've been corrected on here when I've said a girl "looks about 25" and I feel the same about it. If she looks that way to me, that's how I'm going to review her. I know most of them are actually older, but who cares? They've done a damn good job keeping young looking and we should be impressed with that dedication.
Plus, they keep those rooms dim for that very reason, to help us with our illusions. I'm good with that.
[QUOTE=Cocoacruiser;6699669]Exactly. It's my habit to give more than asked for a few reasons.
1) I am average looking, middle aged, and not well hung. So some things I can do to make myself a bit more memorable and welcomed when I return are be to be polite, respectful, and personable; and to give a little extra unasked. I also don't stress over getting a second round in. I'd rather kick back and relax with them if we have extra time.
2) I don't want to talk about money after a session has started. If a girl is the type that keeps asking for more as we progress, it kills the mood for me and I probably won't see her again.
3) It's really not that extra. It's a 25 percent tip. People also tip me that much in my service business sometimes (no I'm not a waiter LOL).
If someone is a rockstar or so charming that they will be remembered and greeted as sweetly as I am without having to tip, good for them! But my method works for me.[/QUOTE]I agree that negotiating after the session starts is a mood killer. Especially with some attitudes about it. Only once or twice have the girls been so cute and funny about it that I didn't mind. But usually negotiating during the session makes me lose interest.
She followed up my visit last week with another outstanding performance today. Really can't get enough of her. She did mention it was Tuesday and not Thursday is when she is leaving. So only 3 days left. I was very happy to hear that she would be coming back. I believe Connie and Roxy are there with her now. Sounds like they are back to a 3 girl shop, with the new girl coming in on Tuesday for her.
[QUOTE=ThaJoker123;6698956]Saw her last night and wow those tits are amazing. She said she'll actually be here until Thursday next week because the new girl got delayed. Did 2 rounds and at first she asked me to tip extra but when we finished the 2nd she said extra wasn't needed. She also said she would be back after a couple of months.[/QUOTE]
I should probably clarify.
The 1 k I gave wasn't a tip. It was a birthday present to someone that I consider as a friend in addition to being one of my regular providers.
I had seen her more times than I can count and I had never tipped her anything extra before and never anything extra since. She has always given me above and beyond levels of service. Even cancelling other guys appointments and shoving them onto other girls when I walked in. She has bought me gifts and cooked me food on multiple occasions. I gave it to her at the end of the session and it resulted in quite a bit of an argument because she didn't want to accept it. (side note. A lot of Chinese women only celebrate birthdays when they're really young or really old).
It's not about the money or gifts that you give the girls. Yes, they appreciate it. But at the end of the day. If you're a decent person to them. That goes much further than anything else.
[QUOTE=FootyFanatic14;6699224]It's really interesting having known most of these girls from other cities where they charge a bit of a premium (7 total). My gift for them was always $$.5 flat across the board, even $$.2 sometimes if there wasn't a table shower. Seeing the same girls up there now, they tell me the guys here are cheap. Not that I don't sympathize with you guys but it's not that much of a difference. I handed $$.5 to one of the new girls working with one of the girls I know and she went to get me $10 change and I told her to keep it. She was genuinely surprised and gave me a deep kiss and pushed me back on the table for more fun since it wasn't busy. I've gotten crazy mileage from $$.5 gifts. I'm not dropping 1 k tips but I'm also not getting ripped off either (minus the Black Friday fiasco). I wouldn't say I'm the best looking guy but I treat them well and take care of them. The girls will find ways to keep me in the spa, not kick me out at the end of my hour. A lot of you guys are fixated on rushing to get a 2nd serving in, but I'm focused on taking care of them. The girls have returned the favor many times over to me.
So here's what I will say: Worry less about how much you have to give and more about how to get the best out of what you give. Because I've never given more than $$. 5 and I've gotten way more than most of you would think of.[/QUOTE]
Went over to tg the other evening after a visit with a girl fell through and I was in that area got a lady I hadn't seen (and I forgot to ask her name) before petite but probably late 50's or even 60's massage was the weakest I had gotten there and I was worried she was going to rush the sesh as it was only 30 minutes into the hour when she started cleaning me up from the massage but lord did her HE go long and wildly teasing.
She started the tease with me face down ass up and had a finger up my ass crazy fast and slowly squoze and teased the whole package for what felt like forever then she climbed up and either actually rimmed me or did an amazing job faking it but she had asked if she could lick and I wasn't sure what she said and said ok and that happened on the flip she started asking for hella coin to continue and I was like nah not doing 100 so she came down to 60 and I was like whatever I normally tip more when prostate play is envolved anyways at that point she climbs on top with her ass in my face and kinda ruined the mood for a bit as her ass stank lmfao but she kept teasing and going and started to ratchet up speed too much but toned it down after I asked her to but while going slower she started licking my dick and stripped naked which tbh I didn't really care to see cause she's kinda old and flat everything but uh I'll suck a tit I guess after that I busted and tipped a little more since she went so crazy.
Tbh not really what I'm looking for from there the tease level is but all the extra is expensive and if I want it I'll go see a escort or go to one of the more FS less massage AMPs really wish the first gal I saw there (should really ask people's names but I forget in that sorta setting idk why) was back idk how to describe her other than cute and more likely 40's instead of 50's and always at least for me was sticking her cute well maintained soft feet up by my hands to play with while finishing up the HE sitting between my legs.
I've made it a point to just be a decent human being to these girls. We don't really know what kind of BS they have to deal with on a daily basis. Last month, I had just left a spa when the girl I just had a great time with texted me that someone came in so dirty and didn't even request a shower. She told me she threw up and kicked the guy out. I've had other girls tell me about guys who try and slip in bare even after the girl said no. An ATF of mine mentioned seeing a guy who was too big and was always rough with all the girls he's seen at the spa. Like non stop hard fucking for 50 minutes straight with a huge dick. Most times she said he wouldn't even finish. It was so bad that girls would only ever see him for HH sessions. Another ATF's even told me that some guys are so rough while FIV that they are in pain for days after a session. Even sometimes bleeding from being FIV too rough. Yes it's their job but sometimes they just need to actually enjoy a session for themselves.
That's why I do my best to make my time with these girls as enjoyable as can be for the both of us. I'll be happy to get my finish, and fill out my time massaging them. Making them feel as relaxed as possible. My massage is the key to almost everything I've received that you all would consider as extra. Girls would be waiting for their turn to have my hands work on them. I can recall having massaged all three girls at a spa after spending time with one of then. I remember one girl specifically asking for a pussy massage. They literally melt in my hands as I'm working on them.
It's not always about me. And they are really appreciative about that. Giving them this kind of relaxation and relief makes them very excited and willing to return the favor many many times over.
If you're not inclined to spend the time doing that, then keep doing what you're doing. I'm just sharing what works for me.
[QUOTE=Cocoacruiser;6699669]Exactly. It's my habit to give more than asked for a few reasons.
1) I am average looking, middle aged, and not well hung. So some things I can do to make myself a bit more memorable and welcomed when I return are be to be polite, respectful, and personable; and to give a little extra unasked. I also don't stress over getting a second round in. I'd rather kick back and relax with them if we have extra time.
2) I don't want to talk about money after a session has started. If a girl is the type that keeps asking for more as we progress, it kills the mood for me and I probably won't see her again.
3) It's really not that extra. It's a 25 percent tip. People also tip me that much in my service business sometimes (no I'm not a waiter LOL).
If someone is a rockstar or so charming that they will be remembered and greeted as sweetly as I am without having to tip, good for them! But my method works for me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FootyFanatic14;6699884]I've made it a point to just be a decent human being to these girls. We don't really know what kind of BS they have to deal with on a daily basis. Last month, I had just left a spa when the girl I just had a great time with texted me that someone came in so dirty and didn't even request a shower. She told me she threw up and kicked the guy out. I've had other girls tell me about guys who try and slip in bare even after the girl said no. An ATF of mine mentioned seeing a guy who was too big and was always rough with all the girls he's seen at the spa. Like non stop hard fucking for 50 minutes straight with a huge dick. Most times she said he wouldn't even finish. It was so bad that girls would only ever see him for HH sessions. Another ATF's even told me that some guys are so rough while FIV that they are in pain for days after a session. Even sometimes bleeding from being FIV too rough. Yes it's their job but sometimes they just need to actually enjoy a session for themselves.
That's why I do my best to make my time with these girls as enjoyable as can be for the both of us. I'll be happy to get my finish, and fill out my time massaging them. Making them feel as relaxed as possible. My massage is the key to almost everything I've received that you all would consider as extra. Girls would be waiting for their turn to have my hands work on them. I can recall having massaged all three girls at a spa after spending time with one of then. I remember one girl specifically asking for a pussy massage. They literally melt in my hands as I'm working on them.
It's not always about me. And they are really appreciative about that. Giving them this kind of relaxation and relief makes them very excited and willing to return the favor many many times over.
If you're not inclined to spend the time doing that, then keep doing what you're doing. I'm just sharing what works for me.[/QUOTE]That's great insight. It's why I always want to be as gentle as possible with the girls, I know there are assholes out there who treat them like shit. Wish I knew how to massage but I'm clumsy at it (my hands are pretty beat up from hard work).
Regarding tipping, lets not forget the elephant in the room. Imho, rather than be concerned about how much a random grateful monger tips, we should be on the lookout for [red][b][u]MONOPOLY[/u][/b][/red]. With the same outfit taking over multiple spas, they would be in a position to set the price. Imagine tomorrow, if Gardenia, Lets Relax and Tokyo decided to raise prices? Aqua (and the semoran spas) will follow suit and before we know it, a service industry town like Orlando will be stuck with big city prices! To prevent that, just like your portfolio, [red][b]DIVERSIFY[/b][/red]! Share the love with all the spas and utrs - like Michele1L - who has been providing consistent service at pre-covid rates!
[QUOTE=BigBobIII;6699922]Regarding tipping, lets not forget the elephant in the room. Imho, rather than be concerned about how much a random grateful monger tips, we should be on the lookout for [red][b][u]MONOPOLY[/u][/b][/red]. With the same outfit taking over multiple spas, they would be in a position to set the price. Imagine tomorrow, if Gardenia, Lets Relax and Tokyo decided to raise prices? Aqua (and the semoran spas) will follow suit and before we know it, a service industry town like Orlando will be stuck with big city prices! To prevent that, just like your portfolio, [red][b]DIVERSIFY[/b][/red]! Share the love with all the spas and utrs - like Michele1L - who has been providing consistent service at pre-covid rates![/QUOTE]Or we pool our money together, open our own spa, recruit Kiko to manage it, I'll go scout talent in Asia (you're welcome) to stock the shelves of OUR AMP, and WE set the rate. The other shops lower their prices to compete and it's a win / win. Who's in?
[QUOTE=ThaJoker123;6698956]Saw her last night and wow those tits are amazing. She said she'll actually be here until Thursday next week because the new girl got delayed. Did 2 rounds and at first she asked me to tip extra but when we finished the 2nd she said extra wasn't needed. She also said she would be back after a couple of months.[/QUOTE]Which spa are you referring to? The one in Orlando or Ocoee?
Wow! The tipping topic has blown up the thread! I thought I'd add my two cents. I'm fairly new to the AMP scene as I walked into my first parlor about 2 1/2 yrs ago. Not knowing web pages like this existed, I rolled the dice and chose one out of the plethora of joints in Orlando. I hit the bullseye on my first visit as I chose New Day for my first. Needless to say I've been addicted ever since!
My first was a beautiful girl named Rose that had a tattoo of a rose on her back shoulder. When tipping was discussed she told me one $ for BJ and $$ for. Everything else (not including price for hhr or full hr).
I have followed that suggestion since then and have had a pleasant experience literally every time. No haggling, no fuss, and all my dreams fulfilled.
I just found this site about a month ago and went back about 6 months to catch up on what's been happening. When New Day closed I had no idea what was going on, so thanks for your posts that detailed what was happening.
I now try and visit around once a month. Monica is my ATF too. Her eyes stare straight into my soul (which coincidentally is connected to my wallet I think).
Lastly, I'd like to suggest that instead of being called a 'monger' (which sounds rather crude), to possibly go by the term 'gentlemanly crusaders' instead.
Onward and Upward, my friends!
[QUOTE=FootyFanatic14;6699884]I've made it a point to just be a decent human being to these girls. We don't really know what kind of BS they have to deal with on a daily basis. Last month, I had just left a spa when the girl I just had a great time with texted me that someone came in so dirty and didn't even request a shower. She told me she threw up and kicked the guy out. I've had other girls tell me about guys who try and slip in bare even after the girl said no. An ATF of mine mentioned seeing a guy who was too big and was always rough with all the girls he's seen at the spa. Like non stop hard fucking for 50 minutes straight with a huge dick. Most times she said he wouldn't even finish. It was so bad that girls would only ever see him for HH sessions. Another ATF's even told me that some guys are so rough while FIV that they are in pain for days after a session. Even sometimes bleeding from being FIV too rough. Yes it's their job but sometimes they just need to actually enjoy a session for themselves.
That's why I do my best to make my time with these girls as enjoyable as can be for the both of us. I'll be happy to get my finish, and fill out my time massaging them. Making them feel as relaxed as possible. My massage is the key to almost everything I've received that you all would consider as extra. Girls would be waiting for their turn to have my hands work on them. I can recall having massaged all three girls at a spa after spending time with one of then. I remember one girl specifically asking for a pussy massage. They literally melt in my hands as I'm working on them.
It's not always about me. And they are really appreciative about that. Giving them this kind of relaxation and relief makes them very excited and willing to return the favor many many times over.
If you're not inclined to spend the time doing that, then keep doing what you're doing. I'm just sharing what works for me.[/QUOTE]Being polite and friendly will get you you a lot further in most things. I always insure that they are comfortable during our time. I make it a point to tell them that I want to be sure that they enjoy the time we spend toghter as I do. Many of the girls have replied that they wish more mongers had that attitude. While it is what they do to make a living they are providing us a service that we all enjoy. So be courteous, friendly, patient and clean, and you will more likely be rewarded.
May (D cup, 100 lbs, about 5'4, big eyes, red lips, amazing shape) leads me to the room solo while holding my hand, I always like that personal touch and I'm glad more and more AMP girls do it.
Young looking and fresh, I check out her ass as she walks ahead of me, planning my session. Ample tittties on her, it's most likely mm but had to tell. She knows she's pretty and loves to show it off although comes off shy at first, shaved kitty, fit, long wavy black hair and one hell of a red lingerie set, just the right amount of slutty and GND mixed in.
Eagerly leave my $280 donation on the table, I've been here before, I know they're worth it and no need to haggle. Skipped the shower for the sake of a heavy make out session, it's like she's in heat. All over me, kissing my face, nose, dfk, neck, nipples and finally a bbj to almost make me spill my milk in the first 10 minutes.
At this point I know she's more slutty than meets the eye. It was as if we were performing for someone else. She's loves to seduce and not shy about it. She's very sexual. If I had to bet, I would put my money on the fact she's probably just the same when she's not working but that's for someone else for find out, I'm was there for the hour and I'm going to her the most if it.
BBBJ with some BLS and 69 tried FIV she's too tight so I dropped it, CFS She wanted mish with her legs wide open and stretched out, she's very tight so I took my time grinding and soft strokes enough to make her cum. I don't think she was faking it because I felt her pussy getting crazy wet and the grip even tighter.
I was enjoying her dirty talk, moans and soft GND style. If you're looking for an aggressive off the rails girl she's not for you. She responds well to softness and purrs like a kitty with pleasure. I feel very lucky to have met May.
The massage spa known by the at symbol was for a few weeks missing Sophia who was unfortunately temporarily replaced by a much older.
Less than gifted lady. The good news is Sophia is back. Top notch tier one only. Much like Tina or That Place on Herald only a much prettier, chattier girl, and on the west side.
192 near it's intersection with 27 in the Publix's plaza.
[QUOTE=TravelinMonger;6700277]May (D cup, 100 lbs, about 5'4, big eyes, red lips, amazing shape) leads me to the room solo while holding my hand, I always like that personal touch and I'm glad more and more AMP girls do it.
Young looking and fresh, I check out her ass as she walks ahead of me, planning my session. Ample tittties on her, it's most likely mm but had to tell. She knows she's pretty and loves to show it off although comes off shy at first, shaved kitty, fit, long wavy black hair and one hell of a red lingerie set, just the right amount of slutty and GND mixed in.
Eagerly leave my $280 donation on the table, I've been here before, I know they're worth it and no need to haggle. Skipped the shower for the sake of a heavy make out session, it's like she's in heat. All over me, kissing my face, nose, dfk, neck, nipples and finally a bbj to almost make me spill my milk in the first 10 minutes.
At this point I know she's more slutty than meets the eye. It was as if we were performing for someone else. She's loves to seduce and not shy about it. She's very sexual. If I had to bet, I would put my money on the fact she's probably just the same when she's not working but that's for someone else for find out, I'm was there for the hour and I'm going to her the most if it.
BBBJ with some BLS and 69 tried FIV she's too tight so I dropped it, CFS She wanted mish with her legs wide open and stretched out, she's very tight so I took my time grinding and soft strokes enough to make her cum. I don't think she was faking it because I felt her pussy getting crazy wet and the grip even tighter..[/QUOTE]Which spa on semoran? You referring to the one by Sonic?
I'm beginning to love trips to Orlando, LOL. This time I stopped by visiting Tokyo and picked Lola. She's super cute, like little Asian girl next door cute. 5'2" with C manmades. Right away we hit it off, she came and grabbed my hand and gave me a sweet kiss then touched my Jr and I returned the favor by touching her soft boobs. Undressed and off to the TS.
The TS was a great preview of what's to come, she cleaned me off really well in b2 b I was fiv and fia, she asked me if I like that and I said I love Greek do you like Greek too? She said for you ok softly in my ears. This sounded like her script. By this time I was rock hard and she used my pipe as cleaning tool rubbing her cat on it. We kissed some more as she dried me off.
Back in the bedroom I couldn't wait any longer, I told her to lay on the bed and tilt her head back, I inserted myself as she opened her mouth and slowly thrusted back and forth to let her accommodate my size. I couldn't go really deep BBBJ, but I was able to FIV while she sucked me. She placed the cover and I picked her and she grabbed my Jr and inserted it Greek, wow I love it when a girl does that. I got kinda tired LOL, so I placed her on the bed that's where I went to town on her, switch between both holes. Fingering her while I was penetrating her holes, I love doing that. I couldn't last any longer so I unloaded in the bag during my adventure in Greek Town. We laid and kissed for a bit before she cleaned me off.
Wow this session reminded me of Ruby. Another great one in Orlando. The amount of hot Asian girls able to do Greek here is amazing. I'll be here for a few more days. Next visit will be my favorite Mina. Happy Holidays!
[QUOTE=Nudeed;6700262]Being polite and friendly will get you you a lot further in most things. I always insure that they are comfortable during our time. I make it a point to tell them that I want to be sure that they enjoy the time we spend toghter as I do. Many of the girls have replied that they wish more mongers had that attitude. While it is what they do to make a living they are providing us a service that we all enjoy. So be courteous, friendly, patient and clean, and you will more likely be rewarded.[/QUOTE]Same. I'm nice to them I don't attack them. Usually they get really nice. I had one literally nap next to me before. Asked if I wanted more and I said no so she kept napping on my chest. Gave me her number.
If you treat them nice they usually like to treat you wayyy good.
Felt the itch again late last night so went back out to try some of the new talent and ended up over at Let's Relax.
Girls that were there last night were Blue, Angela (she's the squirter and she was looking extra good last night). And the new girl was a cute thin thing with some really nice MM's named Anna. I was really tempted to go with Angela because of my size. I'm not in body-builder form but I am a bit over 6 feet tall and I lift weights regularly. So if the girl is too small and thin. I worry about them being too frail for me. But blue knows what I like and she was really encouraging me to go with Anna.
I'm much more in to the GFE than the PSE with any of the girls and Anna really delivered on that front. If that's your thing too then I highly recommend Anna. She was all smiles and a bundle of playfulness when she joined me in the room. Yes, it's an act but she really did a great job at making me feel like she was so excited that I chose her and she wanted to make me feel like a king. Started nice and slow but by the end we were both drenched in sweat (mostly from the workout but the fact that they had the temperature in the rooms a bit warmer than usual sure didn't help). I'm pretty sure that we went a bit over the time as she was extremely determined to see if she could get a 2nd pop from me.
On the way out. Angela ran over and gave me a huge kiss while playing with my crotch. She was saying that I need to come see her again soon as she will be leaving soon.
So now I need to come back and see Angela before she leaves and then need to swing by Gardenia and see what new talent they have there. But so far it looks like December is a going to be a good (but expensive) month.
Lucy checked all the boxes. Pretty, patient and loving. She gave fantastic oral and was an expert kisser. She was accommodating in every position.
I highly recommend her. She is super sweet.
[QUOTE=Bjceb;6699086]Unfortunately overpaying makes these gals expect it and that effects their attitude.
Solution, stop doing it!
When they are slow they become willing to please much more easily as well.[/QUOTE]You're right, last I remember the standard rate was $180 and even then it was too much. There's no wear and tear on that vagina, it can be sold over and over again. Balling out at the massage parlor to look like a boss is as ridiculous a notion as overpaying on taxes to be a "better citizen", it just doesn't jive. Median earnings for this area should tell you all there is to know about how long those $$+ prices can last, $$$ is just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Moto82;6700405]I got kinda tired LOL, so I placed her on the bed that's where I went to town on her, switch between both holes. Fingering her while I was penetrating her holes, I love doing that. I couldn't last any longer so I unloaded in the bag during my adventure in Greek Town. We laid and kissed for a bit before she cleaned me off.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Unless you traded condoms between holes, I call bullshit. Woman with infection can't earn money and switching between holes like that without proper preparation will lead to infection. She is endangering her income or you are not being accurate in your experience.
[QUOTE=Mike4387;6700321]The massage spa known by the at symbol was for a few weeks missing Sophia who was unfortunately temporarily replaced by a much older.
Less than gifted lady. The good news is Sophia is back. Top notch tier one only. Much like Tina or That Place on Herald only a much prettier, chattier girl, and on the west side.
192 near it's intersection with 27 in the Publix's plaza.[/QUOTE]Have been to this place several times. Excellent massage but never offered any extras. Last visit was two months ago. Has the situation changed there?