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[QUOTE=NewLook146;5759398]You are not paying the girl for the sex. You are paying the girl to leave after the sex.
But there are good legit girls who does only massage without any extra, they are dependable. One time she kissed in my lips, but refused any extras. Look out for serious signs otherwise it could be a gold digger.[/QUOTE]No doubt there are sincere girls out there, but they're all gold diggers! Engage in a relationship with extreme caution.
Anyone have any experience there?. Wellness is in walking distance for me and I'm considering it for my first experience or Qiujun Wellness Spa in Tigard. I just got back from a vacation, so I could definitely use a relief, a nice massage would be killer too.
I've actually only run into the "are you single? I make a good wife" thing once and that was years ago in Florida. But I always thought if it came up again, I'd just try to use it to my advantage. Obviously it's a definite disaster waiting to happen to actually agree to get serious with someone seeking marriage this way. But she's basically signaling that she's willing to be desperate long enough to get your finances under her control. It seems like the available play would be to accept her openness long enough to get good service, and then keep her financial gain to the standard tip. Here's the scenario I imagine and you guys with maybe more experience with these dynamics tell me where I'm thinking wrongly:
"Are you single? I make a good wife. ".
"Well, if I was looking for a wife she'd have to be pretty sexually open and willing to have us both truly satisfy each other. And I'd have to know she's not just in it for money and that I can trust her. I'd need her to prove those things up front before I even asked her for a first date. If a girl really showed me how much she loved sex for its own sake, both giving and receiving ecstatic pleasure, that would definitely be a requirement for me to even consider something like that. ".
Then you see how she treats you. Depending on how it goes and whether you'd even want to repeat with her, you have a few options after her "audition". If she shows she wants money, let her know that disqualified her per your original statements. If she doesn't "earn" it, just tell her that "if I *was* looking for a wife, she'd need to be more convincing than that. " Or, "well, that was very nice. I hope you didn't think that I *am* looking for a wife. My current wife wouldn't like that at all, which is why I said that all hypothetically. " Or, especially if you don't plan to see her again: "That was impressive. Maybe next time we can see where things might go?" and then just don't have a next time. It's all various ways of being a dick but the reality is this scenario is only one thing: two people trying to game the other. It's just that she started the game showing you the path to easily winning that game. She's not really going to turn down the next sucker out of hope you'll return for happily ever after. She's just going to take the next sucker regardless.
[QUOTE=Phantxtc;5760044]I've actually only run into the "are you single? I make a good wife" thing once and that was years ago in Florida. But I always thought if it came up again, I'd just try to use it to my advantage. Obviously it's a definite disaster waiting to happen to actually agree to get serious with someone seeking marriage this way. But she's basically signaling that she's willing to be desperate long enough to get your finances under her control. It seems like the available play would be to accept her openness long enough to get good service, and then keep her financial gain to the standard tip. Here's the scenario I imagine and you guys with maybe more experience with these dynamics tell me where I'm thinking wrongly:
"Are you single? I make a good wife. ".
"Well, if I was looking for a wife she'd have to be pretty sexually open and willing to have us both truly satisfy each other. And I'd have to know she's not just in it for money and that I can trust her. I'd need her to prove those things up front before I even asked her for a first date. If a girl really showed me how much she loved sex for its own sake, both giving and receiving ecstatic pleasure, that would definitely be a requirement for me to even consider something like that. ".
Then you see how she treats you. Depending on how it goes and whether you'd even want to repeat with her, you have a few options after her "audition". If she shows she wants money, let her know that disqualified her per your original statements. If she doesn't "earn" it, just tell her that "if I *was* looking for a wife, she'd need to be more convincing than that. " Or, "well, that was very nice. I hope you didn't think that I *am* looking for a wife. My current wife wouldn't like that at all, which is why I said that all hypothetically. " Or, especially if you don't plan to see her again: "That was impressive. Maybe next time we can see where things might go?" and then just don't have a next time. It's all various ways of being a dick but the reality is this scenario is only one thing: two people trying to game the other. It's just that she started the game showing you the path to easily winning that game. She's not really going to turn down the next sucker out of hope you'll return for happily ever after. She's just going to take the next sucker regardless.[/QUOTE]I made kinda the same mistake. Met an Apt Asian, who eventually got her own place 5 minutes away. It was awesome. $200 (at first) Saw her a lot. Got to know her. Was a helluva woman. Had big sights on her. (And she knew it) Next it was $300, at $400 I told her to go pound sand. Too much out there better for less. But point is. She was an expert at reading her customers. She knew that as a woman (who I think really enjoyed fucking or was a good actress) and the $$$ was the perfect combination with sex. I mean right? I was and am still married. That's another story. But I would have done just about anything for us to end up together, until one day, when we were discussing my potential divorce. And she mentioned. "What? Your ex won't get half your house? Ok Flag. Seemed to me to be HER game plan. Get married and then take ya. Not to mention as I grew more fond of her. Wasn't too keen reading reports of some of you guys boinkin her and postin it on the internet. At least I can say my wife aint fuckin half the guys in Portland. My advice would be don't get fond of any of them. And when they up your play fee. Walk away. And for the record...she's out there in one of PDX's shops. :)
[QUOTE=FM5369;5760134]I made kinda the same mistake. Met an Apt Asian, who eventually got her own place 5 minutes away. It was awesome. $200 (at first) Saw her a lot. Got to know her. Was a helluva woman. Had big sights on her. (And she knew it) Next it was $300, at $400 I told her to go pound sand. Too much out there better for less. But point is. She was an expert at reading her customers. She knew that as a woman (who I think really enjoyed fucking or was a good actress) and the $$$ was the perfect combination with sex. I mean right? I was and am still married. That's another story. But I would have done just about anything for us to end up together, until one day, when we were discussing my potential divorce. And she mentioned. "What? Your ex won't get half your house? Ok Flag. Seemed to me to be HER game plan. Get married and then take ya. Not to mention as I grew more fond of her. Wasn't too keen reading reports of some of you guys boinkin her and postin it on the internet. At least I can say my wife aint fuckin half the guys in Portland. My advice would be don't get fond of any of them. And when they up your play fee. Walk away. And for the record...she's out there in one of PDX's shops.[/QUOTE]Want to shoot me a PM? I want to know this lady LOL.
Anybody familiar with any AMPs in Sellwood area? There is one I walk past, near the CVS on Milwaukee and Tacoma, but I've never stopped in. The windows are covered with faded posters, they're open to semi-late, and promote a table shower, but I've been uncertain whether extras are on offer. Will probably investigate eventually, but curious if anybody here has tried.
The website touts FSA / HSA approval, and has appointment booking which leads me to believe "no," but the look of the place makes me wonder.
[QUOTE=PoolingPacks;5759768]Anyone have any experience there?. Wellness is in walking distance for me and I'm considering it for my first experience or Qiujun Wellness Spa in Tigard. I just got back from a vacation, so I could definitely use a relief, a nice massage would be killer too.[/QUOTE]Qiujun see yoyo, nice pleasant lady.
[QUOTE=JaySteeze;5760232]Want to shoot me a PM? I want to know this lady LOL.[/QUOTE]You might already. LOL. Beware!
[QUOTE=NoFearToTry;5760857]Qiujun see yoyo, nice pleasant lady.[/QUOTE]I will check it out!. Thanks!.
[QUOTE=Qualish;5760546]Anybody familiar with any AMPs in Sellwood area? There is one I walk past, near the CVS on Milwaukee and Tacoma, but I've never stopped in. The windows are covered with faded posters, they're open to semi-late, and promote a table shower, but I've been uncertain whether extras are on offer. Will probably investigate eventually, but curious if anybody here has tried.
The website touts FSA / HSA approval, and has appointment booking which leads me to believe "no," but the look of the place makes me wonder.[/QUOTE]I haven't been however I know its been there for quite awhile. Long before the current boon. So I never bothered, seems super legit. Plus, I really don't feel that neighbourhood would allow it for long. Think soccer moms. Good news is plenty of other spots within ten minutes of that one that do offer extras.
[QUOTE=FM5369;5760134]I made kinda the same mistake. Met an Apt Asian, who eventually got her own place 5 minutes away. It was awesome. $200 (at first) Saw her a lot. Got to know her. Was a helluva woman. Had big sights on her. (And she knew it) Next it was $300, at $400 I told her to go pound sand. Too much out there better for less. But point is. She was an expert at reading her customers. She knew that as a woman (who I think really enjoyed fucking or was a good actress) and the $$$ was the perfect combination with sex. I mean right? I was and am still married. That's another story. But I would have done just about anything for us to end up together, until one day, when we were discussing my potential divorce. And she mentioned. "What? Your ex won't get half your house? Ok Flag. Seemed to me to be HER game plan. Get married and then take ya. Not to mention as I grew more fond of her. Wasn't too keen reading reports of some of you guys boinkin her and postin it on the internet. At least I can say my wife aint fuckin half the guys in Portland. My advice would be don't get fond of any of them. And when they up your play fee. Walk away. And for the record...she's out there in one of PDX's shops.[/QUOTE]I had a regular who I would go see. She kept asking to be my girlfriend, asking about marriage etc. One day she flat out offered me 20 K to marry her. I think she ran the shop she worked in and wanted to get legal status. I just laughed it off and told her she couldn't handle me every day.
After years of seeing her she disappeared from the shop. I'm assuming someone else took her up on the offer.
[QUOTE=NoFearToTry;5760857]Qiujun see yoyo, nice pleasant lady.[/QUOTE]Is she the young-ish thick-ish yoyo that does everything or someone else?
Also a lot of you guys are reading too much of this marriage thing. It's often times used as a compliment or a tease. Asian cultures don't suffer from 'conservative' christian ideals of marriage.
Also, you hear a lot more horror stories of overseas/visa marriages because they make for good stories. No one gives a damn if the marriage works out because it doesn't make for a good story. Anecdotally speaking from work, I know about a dozen people that married from overseas partners (Phillipines the majority). Not saying their marriage is perfect, but 15+ years later, and only 1 divorce.
[QUOTE=RayKurin;5759665]No doubt there are sincere girls out there, but they're all gold diggers! Engage in a relationship with extreme caution.[/QUOTE]
Well no shiet. If you're marrying a girl that's physically beyond your league, then the girl is marrying for financial security. That's financial security for herself and her family, present and future. Barring showing her your bank statements, the most obvious way to show this is the amount you spend on dates.
[QUOTE=NoFearToTry;5760857]Qiujun see yoyo, nice pleasant lady.[/QUOTE]She is the more slender of the 2 , the shorter thick one did not meet the criteria of do-able for me, but the other one is packing a nice pair upstairs if you like that part of town.
[QUOTE=NoFearToTry;5762275]She is the more slender of the 2 , the shorter thick one did not meet the criteria of do-able for me, but the other one is packing a nice pair upstairs if you like that part of town.[/QUOTE]She's probably gone by now, but Ruby had amazing tits. When she took her top off I remember saying oh my God under my breath.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;5762349]She's probably gone by now, but Ruby had amazing tits. When she took her top off I remember saying oh my God under my breath.[/QUOTE]Ruby left in December or so. Would definitely like to see her if she comes back.
[QUOTE=NoFearToTry;5762275]She is the more slender of the 2 , the shorter thick one did not meet the criteria of do-able for me, but the other one is packing a nice pair upstairs if you like that part of town.[/QUOTE]I took a field trip today and not saying where but maybe you can guess. The lady is about 45 and reasonably attractive with manmade enhancements to go with an attractive figure. I was pleased by the hello that led me to a room without any doubt of the final outcum. The massage is not repeatable but after my partner was fully engaged and having plenty of fun pleasing me as we spent most of the hour going around the world.
[QUOTE=FunNotSmart;5736200]I stopped at the newer shop on 82nd, a block or two south of Foster. I don't know the name.
There were two ladies working, but I only saw one. Probably mid 30's, very short and overall petite body. Face was so so, wears glasses. Didn't even have my clothes off and she was back in the room asking what I wanted, then offered cfs at 160.
Settled on BBFS, cip for 2 hundo (plus. 4 to the house for hr).
No massage, straight to business. She was willing to fold up into whatever position I desired.
The negative. Her involvement included some fake ass moaning with the random "you cum" comment / question / encouragement every 60 seconds or so.
I've had much better CFS visits at other shops. Undecided if I'll repeat. But they're open late, so you never know.
She goes by Mimi. Asked me not to mention BB to the other workers there.
Good luck![/QUOTE]Some how I missed the content of this report. That explains why this place gets packed and rush you through the session.
Imagine the amount of guys getting BB. Hopefully nobody catches anything. Personally that's another reason to stay away from this place.
Be safe out there.
Stopped in for a half hour. Was hoping to find the hot tattooed one I saw last time. No dice.
This time it was LuLu (I think). She is shorter and thicker than the tattooed one. No oil, No massage, she just sort of pressed against me for a few minutes. Someone came in and she got them to a room. She had me flip. Went for a standard finish since I knew how this was going to go. No teasing, just tugging at softy until he cooperated. Hot towel real quick and out she went. I was waiting for her to comeback and finish. She opened the door and said all done.
We are 15 minutes in at this point. I got dressed. Gave her 40.00. She said it was 60.00. I told her to take the other twenty out of the house fee since she shorted me on time. She raised her voice, I laughed at her and told her her service was terrible. She told me to never come back.
I'll wait two months and see who the new girls are.
[QUOTE=UncleChu;5764335]Stopped in for a half hour. Was hoping to find the hot tattooed one I saw last time. No dice.
This time it was LuLu (I think). She is shorter and thicker than the tattooed one. No oil, No massage, she just sort of pressed against me for a few minutes. Someone came in and she got them to a room. She had me flip. Went for a standard finish since I knew how this was going to go. No teasing, just tugging at softy until he cooperated. Hot towel real quick and out she went. I was waiting for her to comeback and finish. She opened the door and said all done.
We are 15 minutes in at this point. I got dressed. Gave her 40.00. She said it was 60.00. I told her to take the other twenty out of the house fee since she shorted me on time. She raised her voice, I laughed at her and told her her service was terrible. She told me to never come back.
I'll wait two months and see who the new girls are.[/QUOTE]They should tell her to never come back. That is terrible service. She has no business demanding any tip amount.
[QUOTE=Benson008;5763038]I took a field trip today and not saying where but maybe you can guess. The lady is about 45 and reasonably attractive with manmade enhancements to go with an attractive figure. I was pleased by the hello that led me to a room without any doubt of the final outcum. The massage is not repeatable but after my partner was fully engaged and having plenty of fun pleasing me as we spent most of the hour going around the world.[/QUOTE]Hold up, are you serious? You got a rimjob at an AMP? I am going to go bankrupt trying to find it! How did that conversation go? Enlighten me, teach me, please!
[QUOTE=AverageJoseph;5748068]Agreed, this place can be good and bad. Girls change frequently. Lala was nice enough cute but greedy, she said they have other girl named Nancy, Lala said Nancy has big nipples, which I thought odd I didn't get to see her. Occasionally, someone decent will show up so I'll check back.
Has anyone else noticed a trend with the names being more ordinary like Nancy and Linda? Whats next Marge? Its a little easier to remember, I've met like ten different Coco's, Cicis, Nanas, and Lalas.[/QUOTE]I met Nancy. "Bring more next time. " Settled at 1. 5, won't repeated. Total rush job.
So I had a nightmare today I dreamt I went to a place by mall 205. Was greeted by Sasha very attractive 30 something in a plaid mini. Thought that was a good sign. I should have turned right then and left but I thought I would give her a try. The upsell and haggling were beyond bad. She did each activity dor a price and each would last about five minutes eyes glued to the clock mechanically doing what she has to. Was so bad. I feel used.
[QUOTE=Smith1968;5764415]Hold up, are you serious? You got a rimjob at an AMP? I am going to go bankrupt trying to find it! How did that conversation go? Enlighten me, teach me, please![/QUOTE]No, and no specifics were listed but it was a very pleasant morning. It is not advisable to read in your own interests with these notes.
[QUOTE=UncleChu;5764335]Stopped in for a half hour. Was hoping to find the hot tattooed one I saw last time. No dice.
This time it was LuLu (I think). She is shorter and thicker than the tattooed one. No oil, No massage, she just sort of pressed against me for a few minutes. Someone came in and she got them to a room. She had me flip. Went for a standard finish since I knew how this was going to go. No teasing, just tugging at softy until he cooperated. Hot towel real quick and out she went. I was waiting for her to comeback and finish. She opened the door and said all done.
We are 15 minutes in at this point. I got dressed. Gave her 40.00. She said it was 60.00. I told her to take the other twenty out of the house fee since she shorted me on time. She raised her voice, I laughed at her and told her her service was terrible. She told me to never come back.
I'll wait two months and see who the new girls are.[/QUOTE]Well played.
[QUOTE=AverageJoseph;5765494]So I had a nightmare today I dreamt I went to a place by mall 205. Was greeted by Sasha very attractive 30 something in a plaid mini. Thought that was a good sign. I should have turned right then and left but I thought I would give her a try. The upsell and haggling were beyond bad. She did each activity dor a price and each would last about five minutes eyes glued to the clock mechanically doing what she has to. Was so bad. I feel used.[/QUOTE]30 something, NOT.
Division at 112.
Got Susan, an older but pleasant lady. I asked for medium hard, and she delivered. Excellent detailed massage with extra attention to hands, feet, head, some stretching, everything. After standard ending and clean up, I thought we were done, but there was complete massage on the front. One of the best massages I've had in the past six months. I imagine there's more extras available.
[QUOTE=NoFearToTry;5765934]30 something, NOT.[/QUOTE]Maybe, I usually leave them in the car so I won't forget them. Always hard to guess the ages of Asian women even with my glasses.
[QUOTE=Benson008;5765880]No, and no specifics were listed but it was a very pleasant morning. It is not advisable to read in your own interests with these notes.[/QUOTE]Sorry about that and my wallet thanks you for clarifying! "Around the World" used to mean a rimjob.
Original Broadway by Moda.
I believe I met a Jenny good looking and nice body. Got there she was wearing yoga pants came in for the massage and was wearing some loose shorts. Good sign massage was decent and standard ending. I won't repeat not much to keep you excited. False advertisement of table shower.
Place in ST Johns. Meet Lilly basically the same service as you get at Beautiful in SE Nice lady good looking I would repeat.
I am annoyed by the increased House Fee.
In Hillsboro, think the name is Kai Yuan, red brick building. Disappointing experience, only there 15 min before I decided to walk out.
[QUOTE=WarpFactor69;5767040]In Hillsboro, think the name is Kai Yuan, red brick building. Disappointing experience, only there 15 min before I decided to walk out.[/QUOTE]Yu Yu left for 5 months last week. For me she was great experience. New girl not so much.
Hello Sirs.
I wasn't sure if I should post this question here or on the "Escorts" page. Can someone make a recommendation for me? I'm looking for someone who is the absolute, hands down, best woman to go see that has a milking table, and who knows how to use it to the fullest.
I've never been on one before, so I want to experience it. Do they really get under there and suck out the poison? LOL.
I am curious what you guys think about tipping for a half hour vs a full hour? It seems like the same either way. Granted people rarely reach the full hour (I always do)?
Also, how do you guys handle them leaving the room with said tip before beginning? I don't appreciate it as I know at that point the money is gone and service will be whatever it is with no recourse.
[QUOTE=RamblinJavlin;5767386]Hello Sirs.
I wasn't sure if I should post this question here or on the "Escorts" page. Can someone make a recommendation for me? I'm looking for someone who is the absolute, hands down, best woman to go see that has a milking table, and who knows how to use it to the fullest.
I've never been on one before, so I want to experience it. Do they really get under there and suck out the poison? LOL.[/QUOTE]Go see Helena from TNA. Trust me on this one.
[QUOTE=AnonPdx1;5765286]I met Nancy. "Bring more next time. " Settled at 1. 5, won't repeated. Total rush job.[/QUOTE]Yah I can't recommend that place. I think the girls get trained first day on how to be a greedy b. This was one where when I first went I saw Jessica, probably the hottest I have seen and she was very accommodating and she left. So I have checked back a few times and its always bad now. I think its being run by some pretty sketchy people probably just a front for money laundering.
[QUOTE=RamblinJavlin;5767386]Hello Sirs.
I wasn't sure if I should post this question here or on the "Escorts" page. Can someone make a recommendation for me? I'm looking for someone who is the absolute, hands down, best woman to go see that has a milking table, and who knows how to use it to the fullest.
I've never been on one before, so I want to experience it. Do they really get under there and suck out the poison? LOL.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her since she got her table but al the reviews sound good. [URL]http://mshelenahunter.cuties-sites.com/home[/URL] She is also on TNA if you play there as Miss Helena. Good luck and enjoy.
[QUOTE=AverageJoseph;5767423]I am curious what you guys think about tipping for a half hour vs a full hour? It seems like the same either way. Granted people rarely reach the full hour (I always do)?
Also, how do you guys handle them leaving the room with said tip before beginning? I don't appreciate it as I know at that point the money is gone and service will be whatever it is with no recourse.[/QUOTE]When you decide to go to one of these places the tip money is already spent. If they take off with the money and don't back it up with a good experience you just don't go back.
I got hit for about $40 the same way this weekend. Had a fun time but not the 1.4 amount of fun. Gal took all of it and would return any. I just won't see her any more.
Went out Sunday to do some hardware shopping and hit one of the better bikini coffee stands. Paid $40 for my coffee which, although outrageous, hand the desired result of two very attractive baristas fingering themselves at the same time, quite a show. The resulting raging erection caused me to spot a nearby AMP and of course I went in to get some relief.
Masseuse was late 20's, very fit, naturally stacked, and bleeding that week. Slid my cock between her perfect C cups and had me blow all over them. Was fun, not what I was there for but good enough I guess.
[QUOTE=RamblinJavlin;5767386]Hello Sirs.
I wasn't sure if I should post this question here or on the "Escorts" page. Can someone make a recommendation for me? I'm looking for someone who is the absolute, hands down, best woman to go see that has a milking table, and who knows how to use it to the fullest.
I've never been on one before, so I want to experience it. Do they really get under there and suck out the poison? LOL.[/QUOTE]Absolutely 110% Helena Hunter!
[QUOTE=Niles;5767737]Absolutely 110% Helena Hunter![/QUOTE]How old is HH?. She look good?.