"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4507836]We're both having fun but I'm not sure the SDs are winning.

If your time is valuable by the hour, escorts are a much better value I'm sure. I just never was a fuck-for-an-hour-then-bye kinda guy.[/QUOTE]All trades are trades of unequals. Therefore, if the SB thought she was making out as good as you, she would never make the trade and vice versa for you. I never waste my time comparing my expenditures to what the SB might be netting; really makes no economic sense to even do it.

Need to think of initial time procuring SBs as a sunk cost. It is not even an opportunity cost (which your time is valuable scenario assumes) because no other opportunity could net such a plethora of young, long-term pussy that you actually like hanging out with. After the initial costs acquiring the SBs, the 18-22 yr old pussy and the great interpersonal experiences banging for hours are things you cannot even purchase with an escort, so no comparison there. And, as for the SB, she obviously thinks she is getting the better end of the deal or else she would not be coming back.

My point is SBs and SDs are in it for such different things that they really should not be compared economically in any way.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4508675]I dunno. How many fucks per week is he getting? I've paid exactly that amount for a three day weekend before. Never mind the fact that I fucked her more than a dozen times over that weekend. Per pop it was a good deal.[/QUOTE]I've had SBs approach me with the "X $ per week" offer in the past.

My response is that I'll consider it if the $ are paid in arrears.

Too many SBs try to use that approach for a quick cash grab, and then only go to the FC once before vanishing.

$800 a week isn't bad if you like her and need P 4+ times a week.

But, with the large number and variety of SBs available on the site, I can't imagine the arrangement lasting too long.

Every-single-girl-on-SA lies about:

1. how much she used to get with some guy.

2. how much she's been offered.

3. what she's done with the guys ('just dinner', or 'just a HJ' when it's been much, much more.).

4. how many SA guys she's been with.

You can take these lies to the bank every, single, time. Anyone with a budget of 300 per visit will have more girls available to him than days in the month. Why would anyone pay 700 or 800?

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4508693]All trades are trades of unequals. Therefore, if the SB thought she was making out as good as you, she would never make the trade and vice versa for you. I never waste my time comparing my expenditures to what the SB might be netting; really makes no economic sense to even do it.

Need to think of initial time procuring SBs as a sunk cost. It is not even an opportunity cost (which your time is valuable scenario assumes) because no other opportunity could net such a plethora of young, long-term pussy that you actually like hanging out with. After the initial costs acquiring the SBs, the 18-22 yr old pussy and the great interpersonal experiences banging for hours are things you cannot even purchase with an escort, so no comparison there. And, as for the SB, she obviously thinks she is getting the better end of the deal or else she would not be coming back.

My point is SBs and SDs are in it for such different things that they really should not be compared economically in any way.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with your last sentence. But in the same vein, remember that this statement also sort of negates your thought about opportunity cost -- because I'm not necessarily looking for longer-term arrangements with these girls (I find they tend to lead to an expectation of relationship on their part in addition to offering diminishing returns on sexual performance), the opportunity cost for me is that the time I invest looking for SBs and meeting them could be spent making money or doing something else. I accept this and obviously consider it worthwhile or I wouldn't continue, but that's because sex is a basic need (for me at least) and not just a want.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4508969]I've had SBs approach me with the "X $ per week" offer in the past.

My response is that I'll consider it if the $ are paid in arrears.

Too many SBs try to use that approach for a quick cash grab, and then only go to the FC once before vanishing.

$800 a week isn't bad if you like her and need P 4+ times a week.

But, with the large number and variety of SBs available on the site, I can't imagine the arrangement lasting too long.[/QUOTE]I agree. I've had two girls that graduated to payment in advance, meaning I hit them with the cash weekly for the upcoming week. I'm picky about that, and I've never been cheated, but of course I knew where they lived. We all enjoyed the benefits. They knew they had income, and I knew I had all the pussy I wanted.

Of course I'd never do that with a chick I just met.

Some guys spend tens of thousands of dollars to buy a hunting lease, gun, apparel, 4 wheeler, travel trailer just so they can go hunting three or four times a year. It's whatever floats your boat, right?

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4509241]I completely agree with your last sentence. But in the same vein, remember that this statement also sort of negates your thought about opportunity cost -- because I'm not necessarily looking for longer-term arrangements with these girls (I find they tend to lead to an expectation of relationship on their part in addition to offering diminishing returns on sexual performance), the opportunity cost for me is that the time I invest looking for SBs and meeting them could be spent making money or doing something else. I accept this and obviously consider it worthwhile or I wouldn't continue, but that's because sex is a basic need (for me at least) and not just a want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4509717]Some guys spend tens of thousands of dollars to buy a hunting lease, gun, apparel, 4 wheeler, travel trailer just so they can go hunting three or four times a year. It's whatever floats your boat, right?[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Sometimes the effort and infrequency of the event is part of what makes it fun. If we told those same hunters they can buy a truck full of deer that will be walked down a ramp one by one so they can get a clear head shot, they would probably be less interested in pursuing that hobby.

This is the same reason I'm not interested in the non-challenge of paying an escort. Part of the fun is finding the best girls, paying as little as possible, and fending off the attachment and emotional strings that so many of them seem hell bent on forming.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4510279]Absolutely. Sometimes the effort and infrequency of the event is part of what makes it fun. If we told those same hunters they can buy a truck full of deer that will be walked down a ramp one by one so they can get a clear head shot, they would probably be less interested in pursuing that hobby.

This is the same reason I'm not interested in the non-challenge of paying an escort. Part of the fun is finding the best girls, paying as little as possible, and fending off the attachment and emotional strings that so many of them seem hell bent on forming.[/QUOTE]This is my way of looking at it too, so Touche.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4510279]Absolutely. Sometimes the effort and infrequency of the event is part of what makes it fun. If we told those same hunters they can buy a truck full of deer that will be walked down a ramp one by one so they can get a clear head shot, they would probably be less interested in pursuing that hobby.

This is the same reason I'm not interested in the non-challenge of paying an escort. Part of the fun is finding the best girls, paying as little as possible, and fending off the attachment and emotional strings that so many of them seem hell bent on forming.[/QUOTE]Yep. We are on the same page here.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4509241]I completely agree with your last sentence. But in the same vein, remember that this statement also sort of negates your thought about opportunity cost -- because I'm not necessarily looking for longer-term arrangements with these girls (I find they tend to lead to an expectation of relationship on their part in addition to offering diminishing returns on sexual performance), the opportunity cost for me is that the time I invest looking for SBs and meeting them could be spent making money or doing something else. I accept this and obviously consider it worthwhile or I wouldn't continue, but that's because sex is a basic need (for me at least) and not just a want.[/QUOTE]I see now that we are using different parameters re opportunity costs. If you define opportunity cost as broadly as time spent, then even taking time out to play video games is an opportunity cost. So, fair enough, I understand your position.

Specifically though, I was talking about the opportunity cost as it relates to the "young pussy ecosystem. " In that vein, there is no other opportunity outside of SA (and related sites) where one can search and procure so much 18 - 22 yr-old pussy, with new ones arriving daily - excellent fresh produce turnover.

In other words, one cannot not find another avenue for which your time could be spent to get to the same ends. Even BP and CL did not have this quality of pussy, i. e. , bona fide hot college babes without monkeys on their backs. The SA college girls are not lying on their backs in a motel room and getting bb'ed all day long. That, to me, makes SA an opportunity like no other and cannot be replaced with anything else currently in existence. Therefore, my time spent on SA cannot be counted as a loss of another opportunity to get that type / level of pussy.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4511198]In that vein, there is no other opportunity outside of SA (and related sites) where one can search and procure so much 18 - 22 yr-old pussy, with new ones arriving daily - excellent fresh produce turnover.

In other words, one cannot not find another avenue for which your time could be spent to get to the same ends. Even BP and CL did not have this quality of pussy, i. e. , bona fide hot college babes without monkeys on their backs. The SA college girls are not lying on their backs in a motel room and getting bb'ed all day long. That, to me, makes SA an opportunity like no other and cannot be replaced with anything else currently in existence. Therefore, my time spent on SA cannot be counted as a loss of another opportunity to get that type / level of pussy.[/QUOTE]That's what makes SA so attractive to me, too.

There is much less expensive P out there, but nowhere near as clean and safe as can be found on SA.

For now, we live in a golden age for sugaring. There is so much available P on the site, it's difficult to choose.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4508693]

My point is SBs and SDs are in it for such different things that they really should not be compared economically in any way.[/QUOTE]The basis of any successful negotiation is for each party to find something the other party values highly that you value at a much lesser level.

Men with more $$ than available young pussy value $$ at $. For young pussy its the opposite. They give it up for free to the soulful barista, but can't make rent.

So it really is an equally agreeable negotation, not an unequal trade.

If she stays at 500 to 700 she quoted me, won't be too much volume. Told me we must have had some totally different arrangements in the past. YUP! Hope the BBBJTCIM was good!

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;4499005][URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2c70f699-0f8c-434d-8a4e-6d30e39bc131[/URL]

Cute. Asian. Nice body. Glasses. All things I am attracted to. Really boring personality though. Dtf $$ 5, but I only dreamt of some some quick car action. Bbbjtcim. $$. Really warm mouth. Seems like she could be high volume. Won't repeat.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Truncated;4513495]That's what makes SA so attractive to me, too.

There is much less expensive P out there, but nowhere near as clean and safe as can be found on SA.

For now, we live in a golden age for sugaring. There is so much available P on the site, it's difficult to choose.[/QUOTE]Has anybody had trouble getting to the login page the last 2 days?

Her real name is Jade. Met her at FC. She is chubby but not a fatty though. She is young and appears new to the bowl. Apparently, her friend 'Maya' influenced her with $$ from SA. LOL. Can't nurse those awesome titties, they are pierced. DFK is ok but no BJ, not even covered, WTF! Of-course no BBFS, at-least first time. But her pussy is good and loved the DATY. I'm not repeating.

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