"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4507092]No, to me the difference is not price. It's actually incredible value done correctly because the same number of FC's from SA should cost about the same as FC's with working girls, for an experience that is 100 times better. No the drawback to SA TIME. This takes a ton of effort. An absolute ton. And time has value too.[/QUOTE]I agree the main cost of SA is it is a time suck. However, since it is a time suck for everyone that cancels out as a cost increasing variable. FC costs are also pretty consistent for everyone as well. Therefore, the only variable directly affecting an increase in SA overall costs is what we choose to ppm. That is what my post is addressing.

My last sentence summed it up well in that for the price the pussy on SA is much better and more enjoyable. My overall rate is something like $40/ hr (includes FC costs, food and ppm). Then again, I choose SBs who want fun, not just sex, so they stick around a long time. I do not do car dates or a quick trip to the FC and leave. For each SB, I have spent a good long afternoon or the major part of an evening into early morning and get to hit it at least twice.

Anyone have intel on this SB?

Sexy_Serena11 - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0163353f-2d4e-49bf-ba0a-f876d265730b[/URL].

Feel free to PM me or share here. Good either way. Thanks in advance fellas.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4507169]I agree the main cost of SA is it is a time suck. However, since it is a time suck for everyone that cancels out as a cost increasing variable. FC costs are also pretty consistent for everyone as well. Therefore, the only variable directly affecting an increase in SA overall costs is what we choose to ppm. That is what my post is addressing.

My last sentence summed it up well in that for the price the pussy on SA is much better and more enjoyable. My overall rate is something like $40/ hr (includes FC costs, food and ppm). Then again, I choose SBs who want fun, not just sex, so they stick around a long time. I do not do car dates or a quick trip to the FC and leave. For each SB, I have spent a good long afternoon or the major part of an evening into early morning and get to hit it at least twice.[/QUOTE]Quoted yours b / c it was a good summation of the difference between escorts and sugar babies. I'm meaning to chime into the post about it being more expensive, than escorts, it definitely is not if you know what you're doing. It might even be cheaper, and while the time involved can be taxing, the experience is in a different galaxy than with the pros. If you can afford the time, it's a no brainer, will get you much better experiences for similar money.

[QUOTE=WilliamsJJ703;4507217]Anyone have intel on this SB?

Sexy_Serena11 - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0163353f-2d4e-49bf-ba0a-f876d265730b[/URL].

Feel free to PM me or share here. Good either way. Thanks in advance fellas.[/QUOTE]Her pictures on SA are better than she actually looks. Her body is nice but she's not very pretty. If you are flexible with your time she can host when her multiple roommates aren't home. $$ is what I paid and she requires protection for anything below the waist. She seems extremely experienced even though she claims she's new to this. I didn't repeat.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4507092] No, to me the difference is not price. It's actually incredible value done correctly because the same number of FC's from SA should cost about the same as FC's with working girls, for an experience that is 100 times better. No the drawback to SA TIME. This takes a ton of effort. An absolute ton. And time has value too.[/QUOTE]That's the thing. Pussy has a cost, and with SBs the real cost is time (and for me hotel rooms). If I place a dollar amount, per hour on what I spend on a girl it is somewhere between $25-50 an hour depending on the girl and what sort of chemistry we have. Sometimes they want to spend more time with me than I do them, sometimes they are headed home after a second round of fucking while I really wanted a third round.

But if I truly summed up the amount of overall effort I put into this, and put a dollar amount on time, compared it to their rate of earnings per hour. Then they are making out like bandits! Getting paid to have a good time at a rate that their time just isn't worth yet at that age, being enabled to do all the naughty shit they want to do without fear of their friends finding out. Then go shopping afterwards. How I envy young people.

We're both having fun but I'm not sure the SDs are winning.

If your time is valuable by the hour, escorts are a much better value I'm sure. I just never was a fuck-for-an-hour-then-bye kinda guy.

I enjoy reflecting on some of the memories I've made with SBs, and that's how I justify the hobby.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4504040]I'm very aware that I'll infect this girl with GPS if I'm able to seal the deal for 1 k and it's very unfortunate because I'd only see her once for that much $. She just happened to be my very first target when I got started with this hobby so I don't think I'll be content until I reach that goal. Unfortunately for me she won't respond to texts / messages from me at all so I think I'll just have to accept defeat. The site is just so full or 22-25 yo girls that are seasoned in the bowl and I've grown bored of them and the number of 18-19 yo that are interested in anything physical is just so limited. Every 18-19 yo I message either doesn't read the message or just wants a platonic relationship and to sell pics / vids. Edit: I just noticed you quoted me about Mia and not Lily. I paid Mia 4$ each of the 3 times I met her. Not 1k.[/QUOTE]She's doing you a favor by not responding if you're willing to pay 1 k to bang a girl. You wouldn't feel the sense of closure that you're looking for, you would only feel buyer's remorse eventually, and at very best you'd look back on the experience and laugh at all the things you regret doing when you were learning the hobby.

Not only is there not a vagina on this planet that's worth 1 k, but giving them that kind of money is really putting the SD in a subordinate position under the SB.

Monetarily, every SB wants an SD who is willing to give them everything they ask for and more. Sexually, most of them want to be dominated by a ambitious, successful older male who got where he is in life by not being a chump and not caving into the demands of women, but by knowing what he wants and knowing how to get it. So there is a bit of a conflict there, and this is the ironic nature of women. Hot young females often find themselves caught between these two conflicting sets of wants (or needs) and not knowing which one to pursue unless something persuades them one way or another.

Its up to you as an SD whether to be the chump that caves into high-money demands, or to be the one that meets that sexual need. There's no way to be both simultaneously, regardless of what they say.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4505665]I agree. I'm mid-50's, but still considered attractive for my age. I have no problem getting to the FC for 200 or less with my first choices! I have noticed in recent years it has become more difficult with guys willing to pay 400+ per meet, Social Media telling girls they can make lots of money with platonic or online only dating and the fact I am getting older.

It takes more effort than it used to, but with game it can be done.[/QUOTE]Here is where having some game makes SA the best. With my first choices, they're always pointing to someone saying they'll do $400+ per meet and when I see their social media's it is full of what I like to call "SB whistling" and them screaming they need someone to show them the way. So when I am talking to them I push back HARD against the $400+ comments and call their bluffs on it because let's be honest. If they were getting $400+ with someone they enjoyed being in the FC with then they wouldn't be entertaining me. Displaying some game has made SA like shooting fish in a barrel for me. Even to the point that after I've ended the arrangement they'll text me or e-mail me asking if they can meet for drinks and a good fucking. Shit, sometimes I even just send a quick flirt on Social media and it turns out well.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4507092]I suppose it can depend on your area, but done correctly SA is not more expensive than the escort scene here judging by that board. They're paying $$ for an hour or less in most cases, which is similar what I pay ongoing gals for multiple hours. When you consider the quality difference, the idea that I can get longer for the same price makes it a much better value. Those girls are not that attractive, older, and most are druggies here. Yes if someone is on SA and agreeing to $$ and you only keep them 45 minutes for one pop I can see how they find it expensive but that's their approach.

No, to me the difference is not price. It's actually incredible value done correctly because the same number of FC's from SA should cost about the same as FC's with working girls, for an experience that is 100 times better. No the drawback to SA TIME. This takes a ton of effort. An absolute ton. And time has value too.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The reason I'm even in this at all is for great experiences but with my time investment I get a much greater ongoing experience. The time I put in upfront on SA has yielded dividends even years later.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4505971]This is dead on.
I specifically scope out girls who are not there just for the money. I can tell which girls are there for the thrill, companionship, or they are just plain tired of guys their age. Those SBs are not motivated solely by the money. Bottomline, many are tired of giving it away for free to younger guys who treat them bad. Plus, the young guys do not know how to fuck them well.[/QUOTE]In theory, these are the gals the site was built for. Plus more fun to find a career gal who just happens to be a fun fuck than being guy #4 today.

I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.

[QUOTE=BagIt;4508283]I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.[/QUOTE]I'm lurking from California because I plan on signing up for SA soon.

I lived in S. Florida for 5 years and knew a girl who used SA as a dating site. She figured the guys on there had dough.

She found a guy in Miami who paid her $800+ to drive 1. 5 hours down there to have dinner.

Since she doesn't look much like her profile pictures the guy passed on anything else; dinner and see ya later honey.

Anyway, simps with millions of dollars are out there; the problem is the girls don't know how to find one because they're like unicorns or Bigfoot.

I think any reasonable female knows a Benjamin is good money for something she likes to do anyway; if she doesn't, she 1. Doesn't like the guy 2. Doesn't like sex with strangers.

It reminds me of that joke; a little girl heard something in school and then asks her mom when she gets home "Mom, what's a blowjob?" "$40, same price as downtown".

I will bet she said he is giving her that for online chatting only. LOL!

Bam.

[QUOTE=BagIt;4508283]I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BagIt;4508283]I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.[/QUOTE]Any financial advisor would say "if you get an $800/ month offer for temporary use of an asset you have full control and unlimited amounts of, TAKE THAT OFFER.

[QUOTE=Tidad;4508394]Any financial advisor would say "if you get an $800/ month offer for temporary use of an asset you have full control and unlimited amounts of, TAKE THAT OFFER.[/QUOTE]That's what I told her, that she better jump on that fast. When I asked her why she ws still on the site if she had an 800/ week offer she just said checking her options LOL.

[QUOTE=BagIt;4508283]I was just on the site and a girl told me a guy offered her 800 a week after I had made my modest offer. What dumb ass has 800/ week to give to sb's.[/QUOTE]I dunno. How many fucks per week is he getting? I've paid exactly that amount for a three day weekend before. Never mind the fact that I fucked her more than a dozen times over that weekend. Per pop it was a good deal.