Final follow-up to my SA newbie post in August
Here is the follow-up report on my SA experience.
It is clear that some did not get why I am writing this. It is definitely not to keep score with anyone or think I have to report back every girl I nail or don't nail.
This is for newbies to see the results of a specific process used by another newbie and for them to take pieces that may work for them. It is much easier to have a system that one can see what someone did step-by-step and ascertain if it might work for you. In short, there is much value in seeing a process and the results of the process with the given steps in between.
Of course, others are free to chime in and state their different opinions and experiences, as they have been doing. These differences have increased value when one can put it into a personal system and judge the outcome by changing a step or two.
Here is the link to my first report from back in August:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4421087[/URL]#post4421087.
Here are links to my answering a couple questions:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4422301[/URL]#post4422301.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4422327[/URL]#post4422327.
I will start from where I am currently and explain in reverse how I got here.
Numbering continues from earlier post in August:
15. I am no longer on SA, as I let my membership lapse after only one month. Simply, there was no need for me to be on there anymore. At least for now.
16. In one month, I have 2 active SBs, 1 who I have a first FC date in 2 days, and 2 who I am still working on to meet. (Total of 5).
17. It took 32 days from my signing up to my first FC date. Had 7 other sure chances much earlier than that but turned those down because of basic GPS. They were not worth what they were asking. Based on my standards that is. I already stated in other posts what type of babes I like and that I would never pay higher than 2 Benjamins for any babe.
18. The best experience so far was a double-header in same night. Met one SB for a 2-hour session in the FC - (SB #1 details. Really cool chick, 19 and slender and literally does everything that is asked of her. Interesting in that she is incredibly smart. She is always on time and checks in the day of the meet without prompting and and is just fun). Blew loads deep in her both times.
After that session, took a 2 1/2 hr break and SB #2 arrives at the FC. This was to be only a meet and greet with no horizontal dancing. Just to meet and talk to see if we get along. I am not interested in girls I do not like. Been there done that on BP and CL. I brought her a bottle of wine as a gift ($10). We agreed in advance there was to be no sex. Which was fine by me because I already knew I would have fun before she showed up. She does not even take off her jacket for like 10 minutes as we talk and I keep my physical distance showing respect.
I have no idea when she switched mindsets or why, but I soon realized that her jacket was off, her shoes off and also her sock-like stockings were off and she sat up further on the bed. I really did not pay it any mind because we were watching this movie while talking and I figured she was liking the movie. Since I had agreed to no sex earlier that day in a text, I was just feeling her personality out. She was very smiley and a bit talkative, but not in an annoying way.
The next thing I know she slides over a bit to the side of the bed I was on and places her bare feet up against my leg. I placed my hands on her feet and rubbed bit, but nothing crazy. Next thing I know she lays down next to me while still watching the movie. Well, it is clear what is up, but I said to her - "We agreed on not doing anything and I am only expecting to meet and greet and that I did not come prepared for anything else. " And that is true. I never travel with I'd or more money than agreed to the FC (I check in then lock I'd, wallet etc in car), so I had zero $ because I gave all money to SB #1 three hours before. She then slides up even closer to my face and says she remembers our conversation, but sometimes the unexpected happens. She then kisses me and does not stop.
Next thing I know its 60 minutes of intense FC action with me blowing another load inside this one. After, she takes shower, we talk for another 30 minutes and she leaves with the wine never asking about money and happy as as a lark saying how good it was and what a nice night she had. Also texts me when she got home safely. I texted her and said I will catch her next time (meaning some $) and she says she knew I would do that. Give her credit. She read me correctly. (SB #2 - 28, slightly older than I set out to go for, not as super slender like the first one, but in great athletic shape and fucks like a champ. Awesome kisser.).
19. Have had a total of 5 hard meet and greets scheduled. 4 went off as planned and 1 ghosted me at the meet-up place. I cannot complain. So far 80% meet and greet success rate. I do not pay for meet and greets. Only pay when clothes have come off. I also do not schedule meet and greets all over the place. I scope out heavily with texts first and weed out, as much as possible, the not serious ones. One of the meet and greets I told girl thanks, but no thanks. Misrepresented her pics big time.
As one poster pointed out, it is smarter to schedule FC meet ups close to the date - 2 days out max, which increases success rate. In my case though, the 2 SBs I am doing both plan a week in advance and do follow through without issue so far. So, responsible ones are out there in terms of scheduling.
20. Had 3 other tentative meet and greets (nothing firm set, just a potential day to meet) - these 3 ghosted me 1 to 2 days prior, so that was that. I do not count those as anything because never had anything concretely planned and I did not change any plans to be with them. And in those cases, the SBs never checked back into their accounts for like 1-3 weeks and after that just disappeared. Therefore, they were not really serious in my book. Maybe they all found one SD and left, but I doubt it.
21. To get the 5 SBs I am talking to, here is the breakdown of the message count:
- Sent 158 "Intro / hello" messages.
- Of the 158, 41 never responded because they were literally gone off the site w / in 7 days of my message. Either they deactivated their accounts or never checked back in again. (I checked using another account and only 1 blocked me). Therefore, only 117 were viable SBs.
- Of the 117, I got responses from 92. (I suspect 25 no responses were either they did not like what I said in my profile and / or I have no pic. There were 4 who expressly responded that my no pic was a deal breaker).
- Of the 88 left, I got 33 to switch to text within 2 to 3 messages max. A 38% conversion to text rate. There is only one chick that I have a string longer than 4 messages. And I am still talking with her. Got her to switch to text after like 30 messages. I call her my long-term project. A shy hot-as-hell college senior. (The 55 other responses I let them know it was not good match. I based my decision on various reasons: lack of communication skills; telling me they wanted to message for a while first. How long is a while? To heck with that; obvious immaturity to the point of annoying; answering questions with tons of silly non-descript emojis; telling me platonic-only when their profile indicates otherwise; saying they never use text only SA messaging; asking me to use Kik and Snapchat instead of text).
- Of the 33,14 were no-go deals in that they had GPS and no way was I paying 250 - 300, so no meet and greet or FC was ever scheduled. It was they who brought up $$ and were upfront about "How much?" As I stated before, I never bring up $ until the meet and greet and I actually see them. So this leaves 19.
- Of the 19 left, 14 kind of just died out in that we talked but seemed impossible to schedule and I just let them go. I did not ghost, I just said get back to me when you have time. Of those 14, only 4 are still active on SA. Most profiles still up but they have not checked-in in weeks.
- Of the remaining 5, have had FC fun with 2 (now seeing regularly) and another coming on line to FC in 2 days. That is more than enough for me for now - 3 in rotation is almost too much still. 2 is optimal.
- Total days spent getting SBs from start to finish: 35 days.
22. There is an understated goldmine subset on SA. The amount of ads that say "Do not waste my time"; "Most people on here are fakes and I hope you are not one"; "Real people please"; "If you are not interested in meeting, do not message me"; "No endless texts"; etc. Is quite numerous, For the hot ones who say something like this, I make it clear I am real and ready and the response with phone number is over 95%.
23. The amount of girls who complain in their profiles not to waste their time explains bit why I got what I wanted. I do not waste time with endless texts or ghosting girls. If I do not want to meet them, I tell them so. I have gotten several texts thanking me for my honesty. Seriously, what I have found is just be real, keep your meet and greet date, and tell them upfront what's up. By simply doing this, your chances go up a lot.
24. I mentioned earlier that I do not talk $$ in my messages or texts and I tell SBs I will discuss $ only in person. However, if pushed for something on the $ front, I do say I do ppm, which 90%+ of the SBs seem to prefer. At least, where I am they prefer ppm. Cannot speak for other areas. So, while not discussing actual $$, I do make clear that ppm is on the table; therefore, they know that will be part of the meet and greet discussions. I do not deal wth SBs who want allowances.
25. I have been hit on by a couple who want to go out to dinner etc and get to know me etc. I passed on those. I am not into the free dinner crowd, and I bet majority of these are scammers of some type. Even if that means just dinner and then ghost you. That in my book is a scam if they know you want more than that.
26. Unlike actual hookers on BP and CL, 99% of SBs cannot host. At least in my area. That does put a lot more into the planning required. Lining up hotel, parking car away from the hotel, paying for the hotel in a way that is hidden (I do have an SO). If hotel rooms / sneaking around that way is tough for you, then SA probably is not for you. Also, in my area, they all have jobs or are in school full-time, which makes scheduling tough. I weed these time-sinks out because I have no time to waste just trying to meet.
27. One key thing that makes this easier for me is I do not set up anything that is specifically for an SB. None are worth that time or energy. That is, if an SB flakes on me (which I expect to happen), I already have something else I must be doing in the area, so my time is not wasted. Like the one who ghosted me at the meet-up. I had to be in that exact area that day already and at that time. And I never get the room until the SB is in my company, so no advance FC payment $ can be ghosted away.
28. What are these girls' boyfriends doing? It's like cuck-central out here. Everyone of the SBs have a boyfriend and still let me CIP with no issue. Seriously though, keep head on a swivel based on this. Who knows when their SO might find out. In my discussions, 90% of SBs have boyfriends. A couple are engaged.
29. Total $ spent for 8+ hours of FC fun so far is $674. This includes SA membership for 1 month, FC costs and SB payments. I was able to negotiate $100 ppm with each SB for 2 - 3 hrs. And so far each has spent 2+ hours at the FC. One was 4 hours total because we went to a happy hour before. Total includes $10 for bottle of wine, a coffee, a soda and the $25 Happy Hour bill. (As for FC, found a great little place that agreed to give me a king-size bed and room for $65 Sunday - Wednesday nights, so that is 4 cheap available nights each week. Gives me same room each time).
30. So, how do I get away with $100 ppm? Simple, I show up. Each SB I have met / talked to so far has said that 85 - 90% of guys ghost them AFTER agreeing to meet and setting a date, time, place and a ppm rate. (Explains No. 22 and 23 above). Therefore, relatively, I am a great deal because I show up, never waste their time, they actually get $ plus have a good time to boot.
In closing, I still do not know any of their names and they do not know mine. We spend all this time together, in the FC banging, shower together, yet no names or personal info ever used. I did check the I'd of the 19 yr old. Looked so young, but she hid her name and address when she showed me her license. Also, we all agreed if we meet in public to simply ignore each other if we are with other people. Flash a quick smile, sure, but nothing else.
Many thanks again to all the seniors and posters that helped me on this. I must say my money and one month have been well-spent because I avoided many of the pitfalls which would befall a newbie in the bowl. I am still a newbie, but got tons of guidance from this thread to literally mimic a veteran. When these SBs dry up, as they eventually will, I will re-up for another month and do it again.
