"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4462316]I agree 100%, and have done the same thing about scheduling 2 M / G for the same afternoon. The other thing I would say is the flake % is directly correlated to the length of time in the future the meeting is scheduled. E. g. , same day meets, over 90% show up; next day meets maybe 60-75% show up; 2, 3 4 days in the future well under 50% actually happen, and more than a week in advance you're lucky if your "yield" is 10%.[/QUOTE]Really good point on not scheduling too far into the future if you can avoid it. This is one of the hardest parts about the sugar bowl for me. To get the best shot at the best twat you have to be really flexible and get on it when the opportunity presents herself. I have my own business and a lot of family commitments with my kids and other obligations and I have missed out on so much quality pussy because of scheduling it drives same crazy if I think about it. I have a lot of flexibility on my work and spend the time on the computer when it works for me. But meetings are much harder to schedule from my end. I have a limited number of potential time slots per week when I can hook up. Sometimes my choice is either schedule far in advance or don't schedule. So it really pisses me off when they stand me up. Sometimes I have scheduled two and both of them have stood me up.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4462316]I agree 100%, and have done the same thing about scheduling 2 M / G for the same afternoon. The other thing I would say is the flake % is directly correlated to the length of time in the future the meeting is scheduled. E. g. , same day meets, over 90% show up; next day meets maybe 60-75% show up; 2, 3 4 days in the future well under 50% actually happen, and more than a week in advance you're lucky if your "yield" is 10%.[/QUOTE]I think it is essential to speak to a girl by phone before the M&G. If she won't do that, why would you think she'd get in her car and go to a Starbucks to meet you? That has saved me a lot of grief. And, the phone convo has to go well. After I have had a phone chat w / them and know pretty much they aren't scammers, I share my real pix by text.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4462944]I think it is essential to speak to a girl by phone before the M&G. If she won't do that, why would you think she'd get in her car and go to a Starbucks to meet you? That has saved me a lot of grief. And, the phone convo has to go well. After I have had a phone chat w / them and know pretty much they aren't scammers, I share my real pix by text.[/QUOTE]I refuse to have meet and greets with these girls and at this point I haven't lost a single Sb because of this. I'll meet them in the lobby of the FC just for visual confirmation that we both are the person we sent in the pictures but that's as much of a meet and greet as I'll agree to. One of my issues is timing with the hotels. My availability is best between noon and 3-4 pm and that's right in the middle of check out / check in so it's hard to find a hotel that allows early check in. I've been lucky and not been stood up yet although this past Friday I booked a room and checked in and the Sb went to the wrong hotel so I thought for sure she was flaking and was just making excuses. Luckily she ended up showing up late but we had a great time nonetheless.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4463193]I refuse to have meet and greets with these girls and at this point I haven't lost a single Sb because of this. I'll meet them in the lobby of the FC just for visual confirmation that we both are the person we sent in the pictures but that's as much of a meet and greet as I'll agree to. One of my issues is timing with the hotels. My availability is best between noon and 3-4 pm and that's right in the middle of check out / check in so it's hard to find a hotel that allows early check in. I've been lucky and not been stood up yet although this past Friday I booked a room and checked in and the Sb went to the wrong hotel so I thought for sure she was flaking and was just making excuses. Luckily she ended up showing up late but we had a great time nonetheless.[/QUOTE]Get a relationship with one hotel. You will earn points in their membership club, and also earn early check-in privileges. Hyatt and Hyatt Place let me check in as early as 6 am with no extra charge, assuming there is a room available.

Also, check out the day-rate hotel sites. Many hotels allow check in at 8-9 am, and check out at 4-6 pm for a discounted rate. The day-rate hotel sites list the ones which participate.

I keep a sugar apartment. I find it costs less in the long run as opposed to hotels. Consider that route, too. Nothing is better than being able to keep your personal stuff in one place.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4461602]You can always go w / financial setbacks. There's really no way to argue, if the SB offers to FC for free, you might reconsider? Even if that info is shared w / other POTs after you break up, there's no way to know if someone might have bounced back.

I once had a 20 YO coed I saw for 5 months, and it got old. Both scheduling problems and too great familiarity reduced my enthusiasm, and she was more pudgy than the spinner body I like. After I expressed reservations about things, she replied "but how do you see the future of our relationship?" well, let's see, I'm married and you're 20, we have no future (I thought, didn't say). I did eventually, after we'd gone some time w / out seeing each other (over a month), text her and formally say we weren't a 'couple. Anymore. Her only reply - 'if that's what you want'.[/QUOTE]I have used the financial setbacks excuse, and in many cases with success, but also in many cases it just backfired because I got everything from "aww, don't worry about money, you've done enough already and I still want to see you" from some of them pledging to get a full time job in they have to to help me through lean times. I can pretty much be sure that this won't happen in the 18-20 year old range but from that age upward, it happens more than I'd like to admit. I know that might sound like a good thing, but whatever reason makes me want to move on as a SB is magnified by a thousand times when I start to imagine her as an uncompensated emotional weight on my back.

The main thing is that all the excuses I can think of, including hard financial times, do not really give me a clean break. It leads to weeks of them still texting me, asking how things are going and general updates etc. So at some point I just have to stop responding, and I don't really like the idea that they are sharing my photo or details with others and labeling me a serial ghoster.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4463576] I keep a sugar apartment. I find it costs less in the long run as opposed to hotels. Consider that route, too. Nothing is better than being able to keep your personal stuff in one place.[/QUOTE]I might recommend regularly change apartments. The reason is, so much info is available with a little Googling, that if you hold the apartment enough and pay utility bills for it, there is a good chance she can eventually learn your identity just by Googling the address and unit #. I'm assuming here, of course, that the reason for the apt in the first place is secrecy.

I'm not obsessive about trying to investigate potential SBs, especially since I don't bother with FB much and searching for phone numbers doesn't usually turn up much info. But, any time one happens to actually email me, I do make it a point to search for their address or name just in case. That paid off this evening. A girl had contacted me first, and when I asked for her reasons for being on SA, directed me to her email. One email reply later, she gave me her number.

Her email had a name in the info, so I threw it into Google just to check. That turned up a bunch of mug shots and rap sheet entries, and I confirmed it was her vs her profile pic.

Definitely avoiding _that_ one!

[QUOTE=Truncated;4463576]Get a relationship with one hotel. You will earn points in their membership club, and also earn early check-in privileges. Hyatt and Hyatt Place let me check in as early as 6 am with no extra charge, assuming there is a room available.

Also, check out the day-rate hotel sites. Many hotels allow check in at 8-9 am, and check out at 4-6 pm for a discounted rate. The day-rate hotel sites list the ones which participate.

I keep a sugar apartment. I find it costs less in the long run as opposed to hotels. Consider that route, too. Nothing is better than being able to keep your personal stuff in one place.[/QUOTE]This only works for SDs who are single. About half the guys on SA if what I hear is true. If you have a SO you are dodging, all of this is too risky. I typically get my SB to get the room. Not too cost effective, but the only way to be truly safe.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4465558]This only works for SDs who are single. About half the guys on SA if what I hear is true. If you have a SO you are dodging, all of this is too risky. I typically get my SB to get the room. Not too cost effective, but the only way to be truly safe.[/QUOTE]This is sadly true. Almost no SB's younger than, say, late 20's, have their own place. But I have found that many are willing to register on their own I'd if you front the $$. You just need to either find a SB that has a credit card she can use to sign in (not all that many) or a hotel that accepts cash at registration. One thing I have found, though, is it never hurts to ask a SB or potential if she has a girlfriend who would let her use her place as a favor or for a small fee. Sometimes they do, and that makes life simple for all.

The CEO of Kik put up a post a couple days ago saying that they're losing money due to a lawsuit with the SEC over some cryptocurrency they made, and they're going to be shutting down the app:

[URL]https://www.fastcompany.com/90408381/the-popular-kik-messaging-app-is-shutting-down[/URL]

No details on when they plan to turn it off, but FYI.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;4464878]I have used the financial setbacks excuse, and in many cases with success, but also in many cases it just backfired because I got everything from "aww, don't worry about money, you've done enough already and I still want to see you" from some of them pledging to get a full time job in they have to to help me through lean times. I can pretty much be sure that this won't happen in the 18-20 year old range but from that age upward, it happens more than I'd like to admit. I know that might sound like a good thing, but whatever reason makes me want to move on as a SB is magnified by a thousand times when I start to imagine her as an uncompensated emotional weight on my back.

The main thing is that all the excuses I can think of, including hard financial times, do not really give me a clean break. It leads to weeks of them still texting me, asking how things are going and general updates etc. So at some point I just have to stop responding, and I don't really like the idea that they are sharing my photo or details with others and labeling me a serial ghoster.[/QUOTE]Had to chime in on this one. There's nothing more disheartening than having a well planned and well thought out exit strategy only for the SB to respond with "I can work with you during the transition baby". Ugh. Happened to me last week. Had been laying the trap about the grind of corporate America for a bit and then unloaded with my excuse that I am leaving it all behind to focus on my small business venture so in the meantime I won't have excess income. Man. She responded with "let's just forget how we met stay in touch and just hang out. " I almost fainted because this one was inflicted with acute GPS when I first got her. 95 percent of the time the exit strategy works but when it doesn't it puts you in a scramble. Ripper.

[QUOTE=Ripvan12;4466399]Had to chime in on this one. There's nothing more disheartening than having a well planned and well thought out exit strategy only for the SB to respond with "I can work with you during the transition baby". Ugh. Happened to me last week. Had been laying the trap about the grind of corporate America for a bit and then unloaded with my excuse that I am leaving it all behind to focus on my small business venture so in the meantime I won't have excess income. Man. She responded with "let's just forget how we met stay in touch and just hang out. " I almost fainted because this one was inflicted with acute GPS when I first got her. 95 percent of the time the exit strategy works but when it doesn't it puts you in a scramble. Ripper.[/QUOTE]I'm always amazed at the different situations I've found in the bowl. I once had a 26 year old make me commit to a ppm allowance before meeting, started out she wanted $1,000 (LOL), we settled on 300 for the first date (which was $50 more than my most expensive date yet). She shows up driving a $120 k car, turns out she is from a family that has more money than I will dream about in my lifetime. On the second date, I was just joking when I got ready to hand her her allowance and said "200 right?" and she said "200 is fine" and I told I her I was just joking and she says no really, so 200 it was. It was around the 7th date I brought to the attention the fact that I could never match the lifestyle she grew up in, and I asked her if the 200 I give her each time really makes a difference and she said yeah, it's something about the way it makes her feel when I give it to her. I don't know if that meant she had a latent fantasy of being a pro or it just tapped into some other sort of need that I'll never understand.

My buddy and I often would message girls on the site for each other when we don't / didn't have paid memberships. He just got his membership suspended b / c of doing this. It does violate the terms of service, actually, they obviously want to do everything they can to get our $. This is the first I heard of this happening, he thinks it was b / c the POT reported him. He was able to reinstate his membership by pleading and promising not to do it again. But you should not assume that this is a strategy for the future.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4468729]My buddy and I often would message girls on the site for each other when we don't / didn't have paid memberships. He just got his membership suspended b / c of doing this. It does violate the terms of service, actually, they obviously want to do everything they can to get our $. This is the first I heard of this happening, he thinks it was b / c the POT reported him. He was able to reinstate his membership by pleading and promising not to do it again. But you should not assume that this is a strategy for the future.[/QUOTE]For sure, don't violate the TOS again. His account is now flagged. Another offense will result in a permanent ban. Seeking seems to be getting better at linking new accounts to prior ones, so opening a new account might be difficult.

If you look at the development tools on your account page, it shows you your account status, prior complaints, etc.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4469756]For sure, don't violate the TOS again. His account is now flagged. Another offense will result in a permanent ban. Seeking seems to be getting better at linking new accounts to prior ones, so opening a new account might be difficult.

If you look at the development tools on your account page, it shows you your account status, prior complaints, etc.[/QUOTE]I looked at profile and was wondering where you see prior complaints. Am curious if I have anything there.