"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Hi all,

Appreciate the discussion here. However need some help with abbreviations "POT" and GPS" I can't quite figure out. These abbreviations dealing with SB activities should be added to the list here. Now, I also had a scare about a SB finding out my handle on this site. Stupidly I used the same handle as one of my email accounts, and I found that if you GOOG your user name here, it will bring up your posts, even without signing in! I recently made a new user name that I use only here.

All that being said, I have had a nice SB for several months but like so many girls it is one problem after another, and most of them requiring more funds. Meanwhile the sex is infrequent and not very exciting. Now, I am a guy over 50 and unlike some of you younger ones who seem to be on the prowl 24/7, I take life a bit easier and it doesn't take as much to keep me happy, but it really bothers me that a girl will not do the minimum to keep her SD happy. I can see that if this keeps up I'll have to move on which is sad because in other ways she is a great companion. My mistake probably was getting talked into a substantial allowance before I had a clear idea of her sex drive. It seems to me that a lot of the SD / SB relationships fall apart after a while because SB keeps pushing for more but comes up with endless excuses to provide less. Given my somewhat limited experience with a few SB's my advice is to start out on a nominal amount each time you get together, even if it starts out with some civi dates, and avoid the trap of an allowance like a monthly lump sum. It will end up almost like you are married, except luckily you can still walk-Krusty.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1876546]Thanks for the welcome back Scottie! It's totally stupid and embarrassing. My user name on here was a derivative of my play email address which we communicated with. She simply dug far enough in Google to find my posts here. When I met her I was in my "everything up front" phase in initial meetings. I would pretty much lay out all that I had done. I kind of used it as a litmus test to see if a potential SB could handle it. She could and was open enough to tell me she already pretty much knew everything from my posts on here. She's amazingly beautiful and very sharp and intelligent. It turned out to be a pretty interesting relationship which I believe has just recently faded. I'll cover her when I post my recent and current exploits. Bottom line here is "Be careful in your naming practices!"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1876120]So after almost a year of chasing a sweet young girl's tails, I am finally close to my destination.

Been txting with this 18yr little spinner, and our date is set for tomorrow at the FC. So, she looks extremely low maintenance for now. All it will cost me tomorrow is the room, and $40 for her cab fares to get to / from the room.

She only needed some new shoes and have her hair done once a month. And may be few dollars here and there (her words). Not sure how that 'few dollars' will turn out, and I made it clear to her that if she constantly bugs me every week with 'requests', then this is over before she knows it, and she promised she's not that type of girl. But she likes to shop at Forever 21 for clothes, and Walmart for makeups. This is the first time ever, I've talk a girl that like to shop at those places instead of Nordstrom, Armani Exchange, etc.

I'll post update after tomorrow. So far, everything seems locked for the 'date', but you never really know until you've bagged it.[/QUOTE]She looks nice. Good luck

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7; 1876649]Hi all,

Appreciate the discussion here. However need some help with abbreviations "POT" and GPS" I can't quite figure out.[/QUOTE]POT = POTential Sugar Baby.

GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome. A girl who thinks her pussy is worth more $ than it actually is.

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7; 1876649]Hi all,

All that being said, I have had a nice SB for several months but like so many girls it is one problem after another, and most of them requiring more funds. Meanwhile the sex is infrequent and not very exciting. Now, I am a guy over 50 and unlike some of you younger ones who seem to be on the prowl 24/7, I take life a bit easier and it doesn't take as much to keep me happy, but it really bothers me that a girl will not do the minimum to keep her SD happy. I can see that if this keeps up I'll have to move on which is sad because in other ways she is a great companion. My mistake probably was getting talked into a substantial allowance before I had a clear idea of her sex drive. It seems to me that a lot of the SD / SB relationships fall apart after a while because SB keeps pushing for more but comes up with endless excuses to provide less. Given my somewhat limited experience with a few SB's my advice is to start out on a nominal amount each time you get together, even if it starts out with some civi dates, and avoid the trap of an allowance like a monthly lump sum. It will end up almost like you are married, except luckily you can still walk-Krusty.[/QUOTE]Hey Dawg! You have what is known in the biz as ____ an SO or wife. We all (mostly) have them now or have had them before. Guess why we are her in the Sugar Bowl. LOL That was obviously a rhetorical question.

A couple of important points here :

1) Pay as you go so your damage is limited.

Most of us who have been here long enough have lost money by being stiffed, blown off, or scammed. My recent loss amounted to $$.5, not insubstantial but one I can easily blow off as a lesson well learned (again). If you go on the SA Blog all of the SBs there seem to disdain PTP (Pay To Play ). The girls say they feel like hookers by getting cash in the pocketbook (well?) Some of you smoother guys do re loadable Debit Cards or other sweet and sensitive gifts, etc. I have always slipped cash in their Jeans pocket or purse and have never had anyone harrumph about being degraded.

2) Expect performance.

Don't ever forget you are the employer and she is not doing you a favor, she is working for you at the moment. Many of us, myself included, try to make this game more of an emotional experience because it does make it more fun and rewarding. An absolute MUST is that you get the sexual reward that we are seeking. If you aren't making it clear to her what your expectation is then the slight is on you, not her. She will get away with what she can. A couple of examples from my play book : My ATF #3, a 10 across the board told me after I arrived one day that she was on her period and wasn't in the mood for sex. Well, I wasn't in the mood for paying but since I liked her so much I let it slide but made it clear that I wasn't happy and would not be coming when she wasn't in the mood. The next visit she dragged me back to the BR and gave me a rousing BBBJ. We then went to dinner and came back for the piece de resistance and I banged her brains out to rousing screams and groans. To boot she offered another free visit to make up for the loss. Next time she was on her period we didn't miss a beat. Now I know some of you are grossed out by dipping in the pool during that time of the month, but I actually love it and it turns me on. Plus things are all sloppy wet and you slip into all holes easily. A second example involved Bare Back. My SB #2 at the moment insisted on covered and I did not want that with her. She said "no sex" and I said no sugar. Bareback happened. So speak up for yourself.

3) Set a reasonable limit and stick to it.

GPS is everywhere. Hey! IF you pay me $5000 I will blow you LOL. Hollywood seems to have achieved the best CPO of anyone. Big Tigg cums in head to head. When the little head is in the forefront we do things that we regret later. Work it all out beforehand.

4) Get it straight where a SB fits into your life.

Leave the SO and wife mentality at home. Never forget (I do all the time) This is a business for most of these girls. They don't love us, they love our Money and the lifestyle we afford them.

[QUOTE=Spitfire; 1876934]POT = POTential Sugar Baby.

GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome. A girl who thinks her pussy is worth more $ than it actually is.[/QUOTE]This one quoted me only $$$$$$$ a visit. Such a deal. Or only $$$$$ if we just hung out.

[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&id=2742116[/url]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1877051]Hollywood seems to have achieved the best CPO of anyone. Big Tigg cums in head to head. When the little head is in the forefront we do things that we regret later. Work it all out beforehand.[/QUOTE]I, m not sure about the CPO. As I am a one and done per session kind of guy. But on a CPV (cost per visit) , maybe. Especially with the live-in arrangement. But even though I do have a $ per visit goal. Extras do go to the regulars when needed. But first timers, or booty call girls, it's a $ a visit. Take it or leave it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1877284]This one quoted me only $$$$$$$ a visit. Such a deal. Or only $$$$$ if we just hung out.

[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&id=2742116[/url][/QUOTE]Does she know Elliott Spitzer? Out of curiosity, what did she charge you to respond to your email?

Good heavens,

Scott

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1877284]This one quoted me only $$$$$$$ a visit. Such a deal. Or only $$$$$ if we just hung out.

[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&id=2742116[/url][/QUOTE]Sounds like wife material. She must be married to a man of substance

So my SB, as I've mentioned before, has a drive that's off the charts. After our movie theater adventure, apparently she was permanently put "in the mood". Despite things being busy for both of us, she was seriously pining to get together. Who am I to say no to that?

So we arrange the usual day and place, and the usual festivities begin. And goddamn she makes me feel like a stud. Too many orgasms to count, and apparently I brought her over the edge in ways she's never experienced. When we weren't breathless, it was a repeated "thank you, thank you, thank you!". My brain *still* can't process the notion of someone thanking me for sex.

So when I try to give sugar (always wrapped with a small gift) , she emphatically turns it down: "Save it. You have no idea how much I needed this today."

Anyone who's follow my journey will know that this is not the first time she's wanted to skip the sugar, and from reading the thread obviously it's not unheard of. I'm not looking to over-optimize CPO or otherwise go on the cheap: she's a worthwhile cause and I'm happy to help her out. But it still takes me aback when she turns away the sugar.

At the risk of repeating myself: what a trip.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1877284]This one quoted me only $$$$$$$ a visit. Such a deal. Or only $$$$$ if we just hung out.

[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&id=2742116[/url][/QUOTE]Hollywood,

I'd hang out with you for far less, and I bet we'd have much more in common LOL! Let me know and I'll jump on the next plane!

LMAO,

Scott

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1876546]Thanks for the welcome back Scottie! It's totally stupid and embarrassing. My user name on here was a derivative of my play email address which we communicated with. She simply dug far enough in Google to find my posts here. When I met her I was in my "everything up front" phase in initial meetings. I would pretty much lay out all that I had done. I kind of used it as a litmus test to see if a potential SB could handle it. She could and was open enough to tell me she already pretty much knew everything from my posts on here. She's amazingly beautiful and very sharp and intelligent. It turned out to be a pretty interesting relationship which I believe has just recently faded. I'll cover her when I post my recent and current exploits. Bottom line here is "Be careful in your naming practices!"[/QUOTE]I also ditched my previous handle as I stupidly connected too many dots. So keep your email and handle totally separate boy scouts. Makes for less pain. So I need a little while to make senior status again. Cover your tracks. More later guys

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1876667]She looks nice. Good luck[/QUOTE]And lucky I was. I almost lost this one.

So, we were scheduled for a noon date and she txt me early in the morning, about 8AM, to asked if we are still on schedule. I said yes, and that I look forward to seeing her today. She then send me another txt asking specifically what's going to happened. As usual, I said we'll have a drink, talk, and if we click then we might have some fun together. She then asked me what kind of fun and I replied that we're not exactly meeting for afternoon tea to talk world events. She then said, for that kind of fun I should bring cash with me. A little surprised, since we've already talked about our arrangement previously. I asked her why. She then said she talked to her friend and that it's going to cost me 50 for BJ and 100 for sex. At this point, I am pissed and mad as hell and thinking to myself she's a pro. I almost sent her a txt and told her to go fuck herself and thanks for wasting my time since the past 3 days we've been talking in details my expectations and what the plan was. But thinking at that sweet young pussy, I calmed myself and tried to reel her back in.

I told her that I was not looking for an escort nor a working girl, and that she should stop talking that way which makes her sound like a cheap working girl. I said she was way too beautiful and smart for that, and she's way better than what she's talking about. After a few minutes of silence, she txt back apologizing repeatedly and claim that she was confused and not sure what she was thinking. Then I decided to hang the carrot out there and told her I already bought her a Visa card and I'll give it to her today (I did buy the card of course) , but I did not load any money on it her because I need her to activate it and register it in her name first. Then she txt back with more apologies and beg me not to get mad at me and sure that sounds like a good idea. At this point, I feel like I got her back in the game and I got the situation under controlled. And just to sealed it and make sure she doesn't get out of line again, I told her not to be ever talk with me like that again and that I will never pay her for sex (right?) , but I will be her friend and benefactor. I then told her "The only thing I am bringing today is the Visa card. 40 for your taxi fares, and my dick.". She replied with "LOL. OK". Great gal. What happens after that is just freaking awesome.

So the time came, I txt her to let her know that I was on the way and she should call a cab to pick her up. I arrive at the motel, checked in, and a few minutes later she showed up in the cab. I went out to pay the cab, we made our quick greetings with a light hug and sent upstairs. She was wearing this white / blue summer dress that looks gorgeous on her and really reveal her petite little figure. She's a little under 5'2 and 105 (Hollywood, does this fit your profile? Haha).

Once in the room, we sit on edge of the bed, have our drinks and talk about stuff for about 15-20 min. I usually like to talk for a little while to get the baby to ease in a bit on the first date, especially since our first meeting was at the FC. I wanted her to feel me out a little before I jump all over her. Now before our date, she took some pics of her in a sexy black / red lingerie so I asked her to bring it with me. So after our talk, I asked her if she brought the outfit and if I can see it. I expected her to grab her purse and run into the restroom to change, but instead, she stood up, drop her dress to the floor to reveal this sexy petite gal in a sexy mini red and black lingerie. At this point, I am thinking it's time to fuck so I pulled her into me we started kissing and before you know it, we we're all over each other deep kissing, ass groping, ear licking, tities sucking. I then guided her to my boxer and soon she has my hard cock in her mouth. Now her oral skills are not the best, but it's quite decent given her age (she have only one boyfriend before this). About 10 or so minute, I directed her to the bed as I undressed, jump on bed a started her and work my way down to her neck, tities, tummy, and ultimately to her cookie. As I ate and finger on that nice and tight kitty, her hip was dancing, head shaking, eyes half closed and staring at the ceiling, face all red, hands banging and scracthing the bed headbaord and god she was making so much noise. This girl is a screamer and her body is extremely sensitive. I think she was built for sex.

When I have just one finger in her, I think to myself god damn I am not going to last long with a pussy this tight. So after eating her a little while, I put on the cover and prepare for a dive. As I slid into her, I almost exploded. I kid you not gents, that kitty was so fucking tight I haven't felt one like it since my school days. As I was inside her, I was too afraid to start pumping because I was going to burst so I sucked on her tits and let my mind wondering in thoughts (crazy shit like project deadlines, clouds, plans, ducks, whatever to take my mind away from this young pussy I was fucking). For after a minute or two of being inside her, I then started to fuck that pussy real good and hard, and when I was about to cum I pulled out and went down to eat her for a few minutes and come back up and pump her pussy even harder as she screams louder and her hips moving more. Her screams got me a little concern and in the back of my mind, I was thinking what if someone come knock on the door? Would I have to stop fucking and go open it and explain what the fuck was going on in the room? But fornuately, nothing like that happens. So I keep fucking away, and eating her, and fuck her some more in mish. I then told her to turn over so I could do her K9, and it litterally surprised as to what happened next. As she tried to get up to turn over and get into position, she just fell and sit flat on her ass. She was shaking and out of breath, so seeing that he was a little exhausted and just sat her sit there for a few minutes to catch her breath and recover as I lightly kiss and caress her back and next. This made me feel like a stud, and no fellows I am no where near being a fuck stallion but damn this girl really craves sex. I she was enjoying it probably more than I was. So after a few minutes of rest, I mounted her from behind and just fuck away, pulling her hair and slapping that ass. Her skin was really light, and with each slap you can see it quickly turning red and I just love seeing that and her reactions told me she probably did too. After doing her K9 for a little longer, I pulled off the cover, stood up on the bed and told her to finish me in her mouth which she happily obliged. As I was to burst I asked her to swallow it, and which just one big gulp she drained everything. At this point, it's time for me to collapse. I just fucked an 18yr pussy for about 30 minutes. Now I am the kind of guys that usually for 10min most of the times, so this was fucking crazy and I was out of breath at the end.

Aftewards, we rested for a little while on the bed, talk about some more stuff, got dressed and I was on my way back to work. As you guess it gents, this is now my ATF undisputedly and I've never claimed any baby that I've seen to be an ATF, but this one really is special. I'll be seeing her again later this week.

This is the pic she sent me before she heads out to come she me. Sweet girl.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1877486]Aftewards, we rested for a little while on the bed, talk about some more stuff, got dressed and I was on my way back to work. As you guess it gents, this is now my ATF undisputedly and I've never claimed any baby that I've seen to be an ATF, but this one really is special. I'll be seeing her again later this week.

This is the pic she sent me before she heads out to come she me. Sweet girl.[/QUOTE]I guess I'm not the luckiest guy on earth, apparently I have good company.

Minus the hardline money negotiation, this sounds so much like the sessions with my SB it's spooky.

I know that there's a lot of reasons to avoid the under-21 category, but if you are lucky enough to come across the rare gem like this, it's just a mind-bending experience. Personally I can't believe how lucky I was to hit gold the first time around.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1877486]And lucky I was. I almost lost this one.

So, we were scheduled for a noon date and she txt me early in the morning, about 8AM, to asked if we are still on schedule. I said yes, and that I look forward to seeing her today. She then send me another txt asking specifically what's going to happened. As usual, I said we'll have a drink, talk, and if we click then we might have some fun together. She then asked me what kind of fun and I replied that we're not exactly meeting for afternoon tea to talk world events. She then said, for that kind of fun I should bring cash with me. A little surprised, since we've already talked about our arrangement previously. I asked her why. She then said she talked to her friend and that it's going to cost me 50 for BJ and 100 for sex. At this point, I am pissed and mad as hell and thinking to myself she's a pro. I almost sent her a txt and told her to go fuck herself and thanks for wasting my time since the past 3 days we've been talking in details my expectations and what the plan was. But thinking at that sweet young pussy, I calmed myself and tried to reel her back in.

I told her that I was not looking for an escort nor a working girl, and that she should stop talking that way which makes her sound like a cheap working girl. I said she was way too beautiful and smart for that, and she's way better than what she's talking about. After a few minutes of silence, she txt back apologizing repeatedly and claim that she was confused and not sure what she was thinking. Then I decided to hang the carrot out there and told her I already bought her a Visa card and I'll give it to her today (I did buy the card of course) , but I did not load any money on it her because I need her to activate it and register it in her name first. Then she txt back with more apologies and beg me not to get mad at me and sure that sounds like a good idea. At this point, I feel like I got her back in the game and I got the situation under controlled. And just to sealed it and make sure she doesn't get out of line again, I told her not to be ever talk with me like that again and that I will never pay her for sex (right?) , but I will be her friend and benefactor. I then told her "The only thing I am bringing today is the Visa card. 40 for your taxi fares, and my dick.". She replied with "LOL. OK". Great gal. What happens after that is just freaking awesome.

So the time came, I txt her to let her know that I was on the way and she should call a cab to pick her up. I arrive at the motel, checked in, and a few minutes later she showed up in the cab. I went out to pay the cab, we made our quick greetings with a light hug and sent upstairs. She was wearing this white / blue summer dress that looks gorgeous on her and really reveal her petite little figure. She's a little under 5'2 and 105 (Hollywood, does this fit your profile? Haha).

Once in the room, we sit on edge of the bed, have our drinks and talk about stuff for about 15-20 min. I usually like to talk for a little while to get the baby to ease in a bit on the first date, especially since our first meeting was at the FC. I wanted her to feel me out a little before I jump all over her. Now before our date, she took some pics of her in a sexy black / red lingerie so I asked her to bring it with me. So after our talk, I asked her if she brought the outfit and if I can see it. I expected her to grab her purse and run into the restroom to change, but instead, she stood up, drop her dress to the floor to reveal this sexy petite gal in a sexy mini red and black lingerie. At this point, I am thinking it's time to fuck so I pulled her into me we started kissing and before you know it, we we're all over each other deep kissing, ass groping, ear licking, tities sucking. I then guided her to my boxer and soon she has my hard cock in her mouth. Now her oral skills are not the best, but it's quite decent given her age (she have only one boyfriend before this). About 10 or so minute, I directed her to the bed as I undressed, jump on bed a started her and work my way down to her neck, tities, tummy, and ultimately to her cookie. As I ate and finger on that nice and tight kitty, her hip was dancing, head shaking, eyes half closed and staring at the ceiling, face all red, hands banging and scracthing the bed headbaord and god she was making so much noise. This girl is a screamer and her body is extremely sensitive. I think she was built for sex.

When I have just one finger in her, I think to myself god damn I am not going to last long with a pussy this tight. So after eating her a little while, I put on the cover and prepare for a dive. As I slid into her, I almost exploded. I kid you not gents, that kitty was so fucking tight I haven't felt one like it since my school days. As I was inside her, I was too afraid to start pumping because I was going to burst so I sucked on her tits and let my mind wondering in thoughts (crazy shit like project deadlines, clouds, plans, ducks, whatever to take my mind away from this young pussy I was fucking). For after a minute or two of being inside her, I then started to fuck that pussy real good and hard, and when I was about to cum I pulled out and went down to eat her for a few minutes and come back up and pump her pussy even harder as she screams louder and her hips moving more. Her screams got me a little concern and in the back of my mind, I was thinking what if someone come knock on the door? Would I have to stop fucking and go open it and explain what the fuck was going on in the room? But fornuately, nothing like that happens. So I keep fucking away, and eating her, and fuck her some more in mish. I then told her to turn over so I could do her K9, and it litterally surprised as to what happened next. As she tried to get up to turn over and get into position, she just fell and sit flat on her ass. She was shaking and out of breath, so seeing that he was a little exhausted and just sat her sit there for a few minutes to catch her breath and recover as I lightly kiss and caress her back and next. This made me feel like a stud, and no fellows I am no where near being a fuck stallion but damn this girl really craves sex. I she was enjoying it probably more than I was. So after a few minutes of rest, I mounted her from behind and just fuck away, pulling her hair and slapping that ass. Her skin was really light, and with each slap you can see it quickly turning red and I just love seeing that and her reactions told me she probably did too. After doing her K9 for a little longer, I pulled off the cover, stood up on the bed and told her to finish me in her mouth which she happily obliged. As I was to burst I asked her to swallow it, and which just one big gulp she drained everything. At this point, it's time for me to collapse. I just fucked an 18yr pussy for about 30 minutes. Now I am the kind of guys that usually for 10min most of the times, so this was fucking crazy and I was out of breath at the end.

Aftewards, we rested for a little while on the bed, talk about some more stuff, got dressed and I was on my way back to work. As you guess it gents, this is now my ATF undisputedly and I've never claimed any baby that I've seen to be an ATF, but this one really is special. I'll be seeing her again later this week.

This is the pic she sent me before she heads out to come she me. Sweet girl.[/QUOTE]Great report! Hi-Five. Out of curiosity how much do you plan to give her per month?

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1877486]And lucky I was. I almost lost this one.

This is the pic she sent me before she heads out to come she me. Sweet girl.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed this so much, darn, I feel I owe you a Visa card. Congrats, and hope it continues for you.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1877531]Great report! Hi-Five. Out of curiosity how much do you plan to give her per month?[/QUOTE]I set this up in a way that I am not committed to an X amount per week or month. I got her the Visa card so that when she needs something, she ask me and I'll load it up for her. From our talks so far, her needs seem modest but you know how quickly that can change. So, I am anticipating somewhere between 400-600 a month. If it turns out to me more than that, I'll have to re-assess the arrangement and make need to have a talk with her. The reason for the low budget is because I have to pay for the cab each time. 60, and the room which is another 60. That is 120 per FC date just for expenses.

So, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1877051]Hey Dawg! You have what is known in the biz as ____ an SO or wife. We all (mostly) have them now or have had them before. Guess why we are her in the Sugar Bowl. LOL That was obviously a rhetorical question.

A couple of important points here :

1) Pay as you go so your damage is limited.

Most of us who have been here long enough have lost money by being stiffed, blown off, or scammed. My recent loss amounted to $$.5, not insubstantial but one I can easily blow off as a lesson well learned (again). If you go on the SA Blog all of the SBs there seem to disdain PTP (Pay To Play ). The girls say they feel like hookers by getting cash in the pocketbook (well?) Some of you smoother guys do re loadable Debit Cards or other sweet and sensitive gifts, etc. I have always slipped cash in their Jeans pocket or purse and have never had anyone harrumph about being degraded.

2) Expect performance.

Don't ever forget you are the employer and she is not doing you a favor, she is working for you at the moment. Many of us, myself included, try to make this game more of an emotional experience because it does make it more fun and rewarding. An absolute MUST is that you get the sexual reward that we are seeking. If you aren't making it clear to her what your expectation is then the slight is on you, not her. She will get away with what she can. A couple of examples from my play book : My ATF #3, a 10 across the board told me after I arrived one day that she was on her period and wasn't in the mood for sex. Well, I wasn't in the mood for paying but since I liked her so much I let it slide but made it clear that I wasn't happy and would not be coming when she wasn't in the mood. The next visit she dragged me back to the BR and gave me a rousing BBBJ. We then went to dinner and came back for the piece de resistance and I banged her brains out to rousing screams and groans. To boot she offered another free visit to make up for the loss. Next time she was on her period we didn't miss a beat. Now I know some of you are grossed out by dipping in the pool during that time of the month, but I actually love it and it turns me on. Plus things are all sloppy wet and you slip into all holes easily. A second example involved Bare Back. My SB #2 at the moment insisted on covered and I did not want that with her. She said "no sex" and I said no sugar. Bareback happened. So speak up for yourself.

3) Set a reasonable limit and stick to it.

GPS is everywhere. Hey! IF you pay me $5000 I will blow you LOL. Hollywood seems to have achieved the best CPO of anyone. Big Tigg cums in head to head. When the little head is in the forefront we do things that we regret later. Work it all out beforehand.

4) Get it straight where a SB fits into your life.

Leave the SO and wife mentality at home. Never forget (I do all the time) This is a business for most of these girls. They don't love us, they love our Money and the lifestyle we afford them.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Fred for the excellent post and some sound advice. Much appreciated. I'll try not to make the same mistakes in the future, but probably will. LOL

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1874235]Dude tell us what happened. How did the M&G go? Was she nice looking in person? How much on the sugar?

How about some tips on your ad?

Revvo[/QUOTE]I had to reschedule our M & G, she seemed ok with it at the time. Now its no response to text messages or emails. Let this be a lesson learned, that part of the hunt is to remember your ABC's.

ALWAYS BE CLOSING! If you don't close the deal with them first, someone else will.

[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1878081]I had to reschedule our M & G, she seemed ok with it at the time. Now its no response to text messages or emails. Let this be a lesson learned, that part of the hunt is to remember your ABC's.

ALWAYS BE CLOSING! If you don't close the deal with them first, someone else will.[/QUOTE]Yes, always close the deal immediately. Don't let them have enough time for second thoughts. The moment you got them to email / text you, swoop in, pick them up, and bring them to the FC.

I have lost some nice POTs because I was not able to close it right away. It's not an easy thing to do when you're a married guy with kids.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1877486]She's a little under 5'2 and 105 (Hollywood, does this fit your profile? Haha).[/QUOTE]You hit the jackpot. Makes me realize this is a long term game and the prize (s) are there for anyone with the patience to pursue this.

Too bad about the extra expenses. But I guess there is no way around that.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1878147]You hit the jackpot. Makes me realize this is a long term game and the prize (s) are there for anyone with the patience to pursue this.

Too bad about the extra expenses. But I guess there is no way around that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the extra expenses do suck but there are no alternatives.

And you're absolutely right. The gems are out there, just need to be patience and take your time. But for the married guys, it's way harder to find one.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1878181]Yeah, the extra expenses do suck but there are no alternatives.[/QUOTE]I always consider the extra expenses to be equally spent on me as well as the baby. I enjoy a nice meal and some good wine, or a nice hotel room and a bottle of champagne, and if it is then followed by POTF, then so be it. I have had my share of Motel 6 FC visits as well, so I figure it all averages out.

I mean honestly, my brothers, if someone had asked you, before you were in the Bowl, if you would pay $300 to have drinks and dinner with, and then fuck, a totally hot 20 something any time you wanted for as long as you could handle it, what would your answer have been?

In my home town, low to mid-level escorts charge $200 to $300 an hour, and from what I read they kick your ass out the door as fast as you can pop. And let's not even talk about the list of "don'ts". Compare that with Smoke's recent experience, and I believe I can rest my case. Not that I'm advocating irresponsible spending, but let's keep this in perspective. This is not the world to nickel and dime in, but it's cheaper than an old school mistress, and way cheaper than a wife.

I don't mean to sound scoldy, but who among us would not agree that this is the best thing that has ever happened to us? I still marvel.

Off to yoga to work on my core,

Scott

[QUOTE=Graham1;1877406]I also ditched my previous handle as I stupidly connected too many dots. So keep your email and handle totally separate boy scouts. Makes for less pain. So I need a little while to make senior status again. Cover your tracks.[/QUOTE]I agree, and was lucky enough to establish a broken trail from the start. My Clubhouse name is not even romotely close to my Sugar name, and I only use my Sugar email for, well, Sugar stuff. I have created a fake Facebook profile using a plausible extrapolation of my Sugar email name, and have filled it out just enough to match with my Sugar identity. Oddly, I have 38 or so "friends', just a few of which I know from the Bowl, but I accept any requests that come my way.

If the subject of my lame Facebook profile ever comes up, I dismiss it by saying that I never check it or update it, and regret ever creating it in the first place.

If a baby googles my email, it leads to my Facebook page, and nowhere else.

So here are some more names from scam emails that I have gotten in the past month or so that just make me laugh:

Dolores Hung. Not sure I like my babies to be bigger than me.

Kampf Branan. Daughter of a Nazi who fled to Brazil?

Vaux Concha. Huh?

Bugay Gizinski.

Perchinski Gizinski. Mother / daughter; sisters? Who knows, but the pics were HOT!

Vtytura Dhiwus.

Lnilu Fxot. Could these last two be aliens from another galaxy? If so, I would like to fuck them just to say that I did. I was a huge XFiles fan back in the day. Even the name Gillian Anderson still makes Scottie jump to attention.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1878297]I don't mean to sound scoldy, but who among us would not agree that this is the best thing that has ever happened to us? I still marvel.Scott[/QUOTE]We are all spoiled beyond belief. And $$$ for a date with all the extras. Shit. I spent way more than that in the beginning. But that was then, and this is now. And I actually wish I could spend that now just so I could broaden my experience. Also I would like to help out my live in a little more. I wish I could spoil her more. She is so worth it. I blame Obama and the FTC.

Today my "girlfriend" was bitching because I didn't just pop for her manicure today on top of everything else. Because she believes I treat my live in better. But what she doesn't seem to understand is the difference in skills and how important that is. Some SB's don't fully appreciate the value of those skills. They think just cuz they are a 9 or a10 in looks they can skate by in the bedroom. But not to digress. I never got this quantity of babes before. And married my 2nd wife partly to just have a steady supply of hot sex from a hot girl.

But like the old saying goes "A girl wants everything from one guy, and a guy wants one thing from every girl".

So yes, I am forever grateful that I still have a few (or hopefully more) years to continue to seek out and fulfill all my exotic girl fantasies.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1877924]e. So, I am anticipating somewhere between 400-600 a month. .[/QUOTE]Even at once a week, this is a good deal. Great work!

I'll post the link and the text as its likely to get flagged.

[url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cas/4076058136.html[/url]

BABYGIRL NEEDS DADDY. W4m. 30 (Clearwater)

Looking for an ongoing thing with an attractive older Daddy type. I am a new baby girl and require training. Please have time to do so. I am looking to meet at LEAST once a week. Looking to be taken in public and overnight visits so be able to host please as well. I do not have time for games, I am attractive, sexy, cute and expect the same from my Daddy. Send PICS FOR REPLY. NO PIC NO REPLY. Thank you for reading and have a great day!

There is no harm in tossing out a line to see what this one is about. You never know, I responded to one of these types of ads, and was offered a $25 blow job, but that's another story.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1878297]. This is not the world to nickel and dime in, but it's cheaper than an old school mistress, and way cheaper than a wife.

Scott[/QUOTE]Brother Scott, you are correct. This is not a world where you count pennies, or dimes. And I dint' bring up the extra expenses as a way of complaining, it was not my intention. But imagine, if one was a single guy all those extra expenses could go directly to a baby's purse, or a weekend get away, or a few nights out at nice places.

I mean, if you're single, this world is just golden. Honestly, you can just bring a girl out for a very nice meal at at nice establishment, bring her back to your place, have a bottle of wine and you can fuck her brains out all night. And you can fuck until you can no longer breath. It's just fucking wonderful.

Now a little update to my newly designated ATF. So we exchanged a few texts today just to check on each other and set up our next FC date. So during the exchanges, she revealed to me that she cum 3 times during during our session. I suspected she cum several times, but wasn't quite sure. Hey sorry, I haven't reach that level yet where I can tell exactly how many times a girl cum. And she was very vocal during our last session so I jokingly told her that I need to turn on the TV next time so not to attract our neighbors and she told me that was her being quiet. God damn, sounds like I need to get a sound proof room. Also, she completed my 'pussy eating' skills which I told her I don't always eat pussy unless it's fresh and clean. Which is true, I am very picky when I go down town. If I ever detect the slightest odor, I'll never dive in. And she does have one of the tastiest pussies I have ever ate. These poor young girls, us old dirty bastards are like their knights in white when it comes to fucking. I don't think they've ever experience sex like this until they meet one of us dirty dicks.

Anyway, our date is tentatively set for Thursday, again with the only expectation is that I cover her cab fee. However, she did ask if I could load up her card with a little something so she could grab a few things for the house. I told her I will do that at the end of this week so she could do some weekend shopping. She said that would be perfect and thanks me for it. I don't expect to load more than a 100 into her card this week. Sorry, I have a budget fellows, and my budget is probably way lower than most of you guys.

I am trying to keep her on a low budget and she how that develops. You know once you feed a girl with sugars, they always want more, it's just natural so we'll see how this will play out in the coming weeks. It's best IMO to start low and go up from there, but once you start high there's no coming back. But again, this would only (if it does) work on a truly civi girl.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1878627]This is not a world where you count pennies, or dimes. BREAK. Also, she completed my 'pussy eating' skills which I told her I don't always eat pussy unless it's fresh and clean. BREAK I don't expect to load more than a 100 into her card this week. Sorry, I have a budget fellows, and my budget is probably way lower than most of you guys.[/QUOTE]You can't count pennies, but the $ adds up quick if you are on a once a day or so diet of low fat pussy. I rarely go DATY, and thats one of the only things keeping me with my 19 year old. Its actually the best pussy I ever tasted. Seems impossible but true. Got bored tonite and hit up a few girls. A 27 year old petite dark skinned latina got back to me.

Sent my intro letter. Her reply. Her first day on the site.

"Wow! First off. Someone to write that much gets my attention and you sure did. Well let me start to say I'm very interested, this is my first time doing the SD / SB thing. I'm looking for something new. Not too serious, at first. Time only can tell. I want a SD to help me out. As I would luv giving myself. And WOW kissing. I luv it! I've never got that very good and I luv it. I'm so wanting to see and try your kissing. I'm real. No games. No drama. Happy going all around."

Txted and talked to her. Going to go see her on my lunch break while her kid is at school. She looks Like a 7/8/9/? So far. No makeup. All natural. Didnt ask if she shaved, But most do. Agreed to the $ if we progress past the m&g.

Reading the huge number of posts lately has gotten me motivated. I am so picky at this stage its harder to find anyone to hook up with. But I am hitting up some 25 to 29 year olds and see what happens.

Interesting comments from the sb. What do you write in opening letter and how much?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1878680]You can't count pennies, but the $ adds up quick if you are on a once a day or so diet of low fat pussy. I rarely go DATY, and thats one of the only things keeping me with my 19 year old. Its actually the best pussy I ever tasted. Seems impossible but true. Got bored tonite and hit up a few girls. A 27 year old petite dark skinned latina got back to me.

Sent my intro letter. Her reply. Her first day on the site.

"Wow! First off. Someone to write that much gets my attention and you sure did. Well let me start to say I'm very interested, this is my first time doing the SD / SB thing. I'm looking for something new. Not too serious, at first. Time only can tell. I want a SD to help me out. As I would luv giving myself. And WOW kissing. I luv it! I've never got that very good and I luv it. I'm so wanting to see and try your kissing. I'm real. No games. No drama. Happy going all around."

Txted and talked to her. Going to go see her on my lunch break while her kid is at school. She looks Like a 7/8/9? So far. No makeup. All natural. Didn't ask if she shaved, But most do. Agreed to the $ if we progress past the m&g.

Reading the huge number of posts lately has gotten me motivated. I am so picky at this stage its harder to find anyone to hook up with. But I am hitting up some 25 to 29 year olds and see what happens.[/QUOTE]

So my second date with the newly minted ATF didn't happen today. She fell ill, and the girl has asthma as well. I talked to her and she sounded like shit, so I know she wasn't giving some lame excuses. Well, got to wait till next week.

Ok gents this is my first report so please be kind –

For the past several months I have been RTTF and digging though the various message boards for tips and trick of the trade. I've been working the various dating sites civi and SB / SD. For me even the fringe civi dating sites have yielded no results and it seems SA is way too fully of GPS to even bother with any more. I had success with one girl who, come to find out, works a pretty well known (TheothER site) 'massage' place in NoVa – she wanted $$$$$ per visit. Can you say GPS? I've been trying the method of hitting up the SBs that have just joined the site in hoping to get to them before they get jaded and start asking for $5k-$10K a month but no new nibbles yet. So my bottom line on SA – damn fine women just way too much GPS for my wallet.

Where I have had my most success is with girls from a few CL ad I had posted. I'm still trying to get it down to a methodology that you guys could be proud off but I'm a long way off. You have to spend a sometime weeding through the spam and hoodrats BUT they can pay off. Even had a couple Mayhem models answer but of course they are looking for WAY more than this monger is willing to pay.

I've found a couple babies off of CL and one in particular who was DYN-o-MITE. I responded to a post she had on CL and she replied right back. She is a little semi-goth spinner up from Miami and is a total GFE experience. Surprise, she is also into the BDSM / Dominatrix scene and I am sure damn good – just not my cup O tea. All the letters of the alphabet except for the chocolate starfish and well worth the $$ donation.

She is trying to build a clientele down here in the DC / NoVa region so any seniors who are interested I'm happy to pass the info. She is very responsive to e-mail but doesn't have a car so you would have to go to her. Seniors hit me up so we can show the girl some love!

Could only upload ten pics per report?

Anyway here is the little goth spinner. More pics to share with those who are serious about helping her out.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1878627]Brother Scott, you are correct. This is not a world where you count pennies, or dimes. And I dint' bring up the extra expenses as a way of complaining, it was not my intention. But imagine, if one was a single guy all those extra expenses could go directly to a baby's purse, or a weekend get away, or a few nights out at nice places.

I mean, if you're single, this world is just golden. Honestly, you can just bring a girl out for a very nice meal at at nice establishment, bring her back to your place, have a bottle of wine and you can fuck her brains out all night. And you can fuck until you can no longer breath. It's just fucking wonderful.

Now a little update to my newly designated ATF. So we exchanged a few texts today just to check on each other and set up our next FC date. So during the exchanges, she revealed to me that she cum 3 times during during our session. I suspected she cum several times, but wasn't quite sure. Hey sorry, I haven't reach that level yet where I can tell exactly how many times a girl cum. And she was very vocal during our last session so I jokingly told her that I need to turn on the TV next time so not to attract our neighbors and she told me that was her being quiet. God damn, sounds like I need to get a sound proof room. Also, she completed my 'pussy eating' skills which I told her I don't always eat pussy unless it's fresh and clean. Which is true, I am very picky when I go down town. If I ever detect the slightest odor, I'll never dive in. And she does have one of the tastiest pussies I have ever ate. These poor young girls, us old dirty bastards are like their knights in white when it comes to fucking. I don't think they've ever experience sex like this until they meet one of us dirty dicks.

Anyway, our date is tentatively set for Thursday, again with the only expectation is that I cover her cab fee. However, she did ask if I could load up her card with a little something so she could grab a few things for the house. I told her I will do that at the end of this week so she could do some weekend shopping. She said that would be perfect and thanks me for it. I don't expect to load more than a 100 into her card this week. Sorry, I have a budget fellows, and my budget is probably way lower than most of you guys.

I am trying to keep her on a low budget and she how that develops. You know once you feed a girl with sugars, they always want more, it's just natural so we'll see how this will play out in the coming weeks. It's best IMO to start low and go up from there, but once you start high there's no coming back. But again, this would only (if it does) work on a truly civi girl.[/QUOTE]Smoke,

That is a great story. And I really enjoyed reading the adventure. Sounds like you have a keeper there. One thing I must caution you on. And you mention it in the post above. If she is that great it will not be long before you find competition for your little precious gem. So take a word to the wise and don't skimp.

I am constantly amazed out the quality pussy that can be had for the least amount of cost. But remember this is not a poor mans game. Of course we want to control our costs. But don't go to the point of low balling yourself out of the game. Be good to your baby. If she is of the quality you allude to she will be good to you. She is very young so far. But she will grow wiser.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Graham111;1878795]Interesting comments from the sb. What do you write in opening letter and how much?[/QUOTE]I write real things about me and what I am interested in. I am a little flirty. But not gross or creepy. I let them know I don't need to fuck on the first date. I always offer $ per visit and half of all first dates end up in the FC. And 100% of all 2nd dates. I only pay to play, not just meet or hang out.

I had to cancel the m&g on this girl today due to work. Probably just gonna go see her tonite and sample the merchandise. If all goes well I think I can get her to come to me during the day tomorrow and hang for 2 to 3 hours for the $. She definitely does not require more. She is a regular looking but kinda sexy young MILF. I need a break from these prom queens for a day. And just be with an overly grateful girl that cant wait to show me how needy she is.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1878627]I dint' bring up the extra expenses as a way of complaining, it was not my intention. But imagine, if one was a single guy all those extra expenses could go directly to a baby's purse, or a weekend get away, or a few nights out at nice places.

I mean, if you're single, this world is just golden. Honestly, you can just bring a girl out for a very nice meal at at nice establishment, bring her back to your place, have a bottle of wine and you can fuck her brains out all night. And you can fuck until you can no longer breath. It's just fucking wonderful.[/QUOTE]Brother Smoke,

I didn't mean to chastise you or sound cranky. It was more advice to some of the newbies who have just joined the Club, using your words as a jumping off point. And I agree with you that things would be immensely simpler if I were single. Right now I am hammered with work, so can't even think about FC time for the next two or three weeks.
I am, however, having coffee with Skittish Baby tomorrow morning, (unless she goes to ground again), but that will be all I can spare, time-wise. I don't mind, as I really do enjoy her company, and she is so beautiful that I am happy just looking at her. It will be interesting, as this will be the first time, post-fucking, that I have seen her, and no longer will I be imagining what she looks like naked. How nice it would be to end a long day at work having dinner with an HYB less than half my age, end up back at her apartment for drinks and some hot aerobics, then wake up the next morning with wood and have something fun to do with it?

Ah well, one can dream,

Scott

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1879163]Smoke,

That is a great story. And I really enjoyed reading the adventure. Sounds like you have a keeper there. One thing I must caution you on. And you mention it in the post above. If she is that great it will not be long before you find competition for your little precious gem. So take a word to the wise and don't skimp.

I am constantly amazed out the quality pussy that can be had for the least amount of cost. But remember this is not a poor mans game. Of course we want to control our costs. But don't go to the point of low balling yourself out of the game. Be good to your baby. If she is of the quality you allude to she will be good to you. She is very young so far. But she will grow wiser.

Be careful out there.

Revvo[/QUOTE]That's very solid advice Rev. And being the married guy that I am, I've always play the bowl very cautiously, and always try to keep things in perspective.

1) All great things must come to an end. Yes it took me quite a while, actually a very long time, to find my new ATF, but unless I am prepared to leave the wife, the family, and the life that I have now it's just a matter of when, not if, she's going to walk away. As stated here numerous times, these babies don't love us but they do love what we can do for them and that's the only reason why they gave up those young pussies to us.

2) There's always a higher bidder out there, that's why it's so critical to hit a new girl when she's shows up in the bowl and close the deal ASAP. If she's a truly civi girl, she'll stop looking and probably closed out her profile for a while. But if she has the slightest UTR, semi-UTR, or GPS mentality, she'll always look for that higher bidder and there's always a guy out there that are willing to pay her more than what you can give her. And I am also hoping that my personality would sway them towards my lower bid. I don't mean too sound arrogant (not at all) , but I am a decent looking guy in his mid 30's, and I like to think that I have a bit of humor and charm in me to keep the baby entertain. So the bottom line here is, make a budget that you're comfortable with and stick to it. Don't do something that you would later regret. I think there had been many lessons learned here by the early brothers. But again, if you're cheap to a girl, you're just asking for an early ending.

3) Fuck it like it's the last time. With these babies, they could disappear at any time for any given reason so I always go into the FC as it was the last time I am fucking that sweet young thang because it might me the last.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1879253]Brother Smoke,

I didn't mean to chastise you or sound cranky. It was more advice to some of the newbies who have just joined the Club, using your words as a jumping off point. And I agree with you that things would be immensely simpler if I were single. Right now I am hammered with work, so can't even think about FC time for the next two or three weeks.

I am, however, having coffee with Skittish Baby tomorrow morning, (unless she goes to ground again) , but that will be all I can spare, time-wise. I don't mind, as I really do enjoy her company, and she is so beautiful that I am happy just looking at her. It will be interesting, as this will be the first time, post-fucking, that I have seen her, and no longer will I be imagining what she looks like naked. How nice it would be to end a long day at work having dinner with an HYB less than half my age, end up back at her apartment for drinks and some hot aerobics, then wake up the next morning with wood and have something fun to do with it?

Ah well, one can dream,

Scott[/QUOTE]Indeed, that would be very nice.

And are you still imagining how good your yoga instructor would look without her clothes? .

I see that could be an amazing adventure once you get her POF. LOL

Any brother tried that website?

I made a few 100 per date offers and half of them got accepted, but I couldn't communicate with the girls.

You need to buy 100 credits ($50) to start unlocking their accepted offers for 20 credit each.

So if you don't cough up the $, you can't talk to any girl. At least SD4M and SA got some free monthly trial so you could give it a try.

This site looks a gold digger to me.

I've been downloading some pics to post on here. All of these girls have GPS or are complete charlatans! The site was started by the guy who started SA, and I've found the same profiles on both sites. The problem I believe with WYP is that the site posts a huge disclaimer that says "Sex should not be expected on the first date" Huh? Smoke and Revvo, you've seen some of the SB's in my rotation and they are all very similar in appearance to these girls. I suppose my problem is that my offers are always pretty high, and these girls are expecting my offer, plus dinner, drinks and nothing else. I'm sorry but I believe a M&G should not have any compensation, other than the meal and drinks I'm buying. I've even let them know that I would give them 25% of my offer and the other 75% in escrow or retention for the FC. But with most of these girls it's either all or nothing. Some will agree to the FC for the offer, the rest tell me that I'm looking for a "hooker", and that's not what they are. After a rather prolonged discussion with one POT which was going nowhere after the "hooker" line was brought up, I told her to take a good long look in the mirror and loose my number. Anyway, if you play on WYP or even SA and live in the Baltimore DC area, do not waste your time with these GPS POT's or charlatans.

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