I don't think 1333 is open anymore. I've only been there once. By the time I decifered the post on here and located it I got on soso attempt til they started putting up the closed sign.
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I don't think 1333 is open anymore. I've only been there once. By the time I decifered the post on here and located it I got on soso attempt til they started putting up the closed sign.
[QUOTE=Fj Cruiser]Visited a couple times in the last 2 months. Each time MMS started by matching me up with a fairly unattractive therapist. Both time's I've asked to see the MMS and have switched to someone much better. Last time was a therapist named Seven, who I remember from CPHC where I think her name was Joey or Choey? Anyway, it pays to request the therapist that you want. Both of my replacements were excellent. House fee is now. 7 and tip is same as it has been. I have always enjoyed this place and plan to return.[/QUOTE]
Ahhh... CHPC. Now those were the days!
Van
[QUOTE=VanDriver]Ahhh... CHPC. Now those were the days!
Van[/QUOTE]I'll second that Van!
CPHC used to be the best, location was easy to get to, usually they weren't busy and the therapists were top notch. I miss looking out the window and smiling. Sun was the only competition I can think of. Maybe Happiness. Hard to say.
Cabbie!
Be safe out there.
Was outside of the 1333 yesterday, and I saw something that cracked me up. There was a cute Asian girl literally hanging out of the top story window, passing a package down to the next floor by a rope! I have no idea why. The sign did say closed in the window, so maybe they have just gone to ground? At any rate, it made me smile and also wonder what the establishment downstairs has been getting up to.
Happiness was always good to me Mama & cookmama liked me. I rember once taken 2-doz live jumbo crabs in, you`ed think I was a king the way they treated me....... those were the days miss those girls :(
[QUOTE=CabDriver52]I'll second that Van!
Happiness. Hard to say.
Cabbie! Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]
This whole situation is DC is really pissing me off right now. The more I think about it, the angrier I get.
Why is the local government spending all this money and LE man power going after an industry that for the most part, is doing no harm? A man needs sex. A woman needs sex. Two consenting adults get together, and one decides that he wants to pay the other for their time. And that's a fucking crime?! How is that any different then spending money buying a woman gifts, spending cash on expensive dates, etc in the hopes of getting laid? If I meet a woman at a bar, we decide to go home together, we fuck, and instead of giving her roses or chocolates, or make her breakfast I give her 'cash' and tell her to go and buy something nice for herself. Have I just committed a crime? WTF?!
This same money they're spending on going after local AMP's should be spent on 'real crimes' like cleaning up all the city drug dealers. Going after the hordes of rapists and murderers we have in the city. You'd think that with the economy the way it is, that the government and local LE would want to prioritize which crimes are more important to reduce and which ones are not, due to the shortage of money. It's almost as if LE takes the easy, safe route; they'll see a guy standing on a corner, knowing he's up to no good but won't say shit to him, but see an average guy like me run a stop sign, and will pull me over and hassle me, simply so they can feel as though they're doing their job, to some extent.
Now I'm all for LE going after the sick bastards that are involved in human trafficking, especially of under aged girls but for the most part these girls are willing workers. A consenting adult who just happens to like the fast money, this job generates. Nevada has the right idea. LE is basically pissing up a rope going after escorts, and AMP's. They cannot stop the worlds oldest profession, no matter how hard they try. It's a shame we have to sneak around when we're potentially doing nothing wrong. Legalize it. Tax it. It then becomes safer for everyone. Then there will be money freed up in the budget to go after real criminals.
Not to rain on any parades...but a retarded number of women in AMP's are actually illegal immigrants from war torn or impoverished countries. Many of the very girls we are familiar with may have been trafficked. That doesn't necessarily mean kidnapped in the night and forced to be here; it could be as insidious as claiming that America is the land of golden opportunity, and then having all kinds of hidden hooks once a girl gets here. In some places of the country, an extremely common story is a girl comes over on a work or student visa, which then expires. The girl barely knows the language, has no friends or family in the states, and not even enough money to get a plane ticket home. They then get sort of stuck in the profession. Let's face it - 80 bucks for yanking on some old or ugly American's pud is a hell of a lot better deal than flipping burgers.
On less of a downer note, legalization would bring about price capping, competition, and girls who are in the biz at least a bit more willingly.
I'm just wondering why now. I know they've always tried to crack down on spas, but why now with the heavy handedness.
Who really cares out there other than a few self righteous polliticians who are screwing around anyways with $5,000 escorts and having babies with their mistresses--former presidential candidate, and they are worried about this?
Anybody find themselves spoiled by AMPs? I've visited a few escorts since the crackdown and I find myself disappointed more often then not. Either they look nothing like their picture (never in good ways) or they don't even bother to pretend to be enjoying the experience. And its always right down to business. I find that I really appreciate the build up that the TS and massage provide. It helps establish an at least tentative rapport with the girl. They have always been at least moderately attractive and some surprisingly so. And they are usually friendly, not to mention skilled.
I'm certain this isn't always the case, but at least in my limited experience, you're much more likely to walk away with a smile on your face from an AMP then any escort.
And I agree totally!
JJ
[QUOTE=Freshly Snipes]This whole situation is DC is really pissing me off right now. The more I think about it, the angrier I get.
Why is the local government spending all this money and LE man power going after an industry that for the most part, is doing no harm? A man needs sex. A woman needs sex. Two consenting adults get together, and one decides that he wants to pay the other for their time. And that's a fucking crime?! How is that any different then spending money buying a woman gifts, spending cash on expensive dates, etc in the hopes of getting laid? If I meet a woman at a bar, we decide to go home together, we fuck, and instead of giving her roses or chocolates, or make her breakfast I give her 'cash' and tell her to go and buy something nice for herself. Have I just committed a crime? WTF?!
This same money they're spending on going after local AMP's should be spent on 'real crimes' like cleaning up all the city drug dealers. Going after the hordes of rapists and murderers we have in the city. You'd think that with the economy the way it is, that the government and local LE would want to prioritize which crimes are more important to reduce and which ones are not, due to the shortage of money. It's almost as if LE takes the easy, safe route; they'll see a guy standing on a corner, knowing he's up to no good but won't say shit to him, but see an average guy like me run a stop sign, and will pull me over and hassle me, simply so they can feel as though they're doing their job, to some extent.
Now I'm all for LE going after the sick bastards that are involved in human trafficking, especially of under aged girls but for the most part these girls are willing workers. A consenting adult who just happens to like the fast money, this job generates. Nevada has the right idea. LE is basically pissing up a rope going after escorts, and AMP's. They cannot stop the worlds oldest profession, no matter how hard they try. It's a shame we have to sneak around when we're potentially doing nothing wrong. Legalize it. Tax it. It then becomes safer for everyone. Then there will be money freed up in the budget to go after real criminals.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Freshly Snipes]
Nevada has the right idea. .[/QUOTE]
Henderson NV just passed strick laws setting the hours of massage parlors and other various regulations designed to eliminate extra activities at the spas. Not sure I would use Nevada as an example.
Making sex for money legal would be the death of AMPs. If you could go anywhere and pay for sex and have no worries, the girls would have to register and get tested like they do in Nevada, and these AMP girls 90% or more are not legal and could not register, or get regular tests.
They would not be able to compete and there would be pressure like in NV from the legal workers to rid the profession of the "undocumented untested workers" that are taking their business.
AMP girls would still be hassled by LE for providing unlicensed sex services, not having tests etc... Legalizing it would NOT help the AMPs.
It would help you find quality providers, better looking, more service oriented, just like the spots in NV, ones who are doing because they love it.
For those (most) girls who are here illegally or do not have a work visa and should nto be working, legalizing it does not help them 1 bit.
[QUOTE=Cavetroll]Not to rain on any parades...but a retarded number of women in AMP's are actually illegal immigrants from war torn or impoverished countries. Many of the very girls we are familiar with may have been trafficked. [/QUOTE]
The thing they say about prostitution is that "the woman really does not want to do it". She is forced to by economic circumstances, and that the act is damaging to them because it is abuse.
WTF, THAT IS WHY THEY CALL IT WORK?!?!
I feel trapped, degraded, and abused at my job also. I would not go back if there was no money in it. I feel damaged at times at well.
I pay good hard earned money to get a service. I do not pretend that she really wants to do it (that is why I am paying her rather than vise versa).
[QUOTE=CabDriver52]I'll second that Van!
CPHC used to be the best, location was easy to get to, usually they weren't busy and the therapists were top notch. I miss looking out the window and smiling. Sun was the only competition I can think of. Maybe Happiness. Hard to say.
Cabbie!
Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]
Sun was my first DC spa...damn what a way to start. As a matter of fact, I think I only hit like three or four of the spas before Black Monday and this recent spate of closings.
I always loved going to Sun before a game or the Metro ride to the 'burbs. Remember Pink? And was it CoCo who said "You supaman!".
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Henderson NV just passed strick laws setting the hours of massage parlors and other various regulations designed to eliminate extra activities at the spas. Not sure I would use Nevada as an example.
Making sex for money legal would be the death of AMPs. If you could go anywhere and pay for sex and have no worries, the girls would have to register and get tested like they do in Nevada, and these AMP girls 90% or more are not legal and could not register, or get regular tests.
They would not be able to compete and there would be pressure like in NV from the legal workers to rid the profession of the "undocumented untested workers" that are taking their business.
AMP girls would still be hassled by LE for providing unlicensed sex services, not having tests etc. Legalizing it would NOT help the AMPs.
It would help you find quality providers, better looking, more service oriented, just like the spots in NV, ones who are doing because they love it.
For those (most) girls who are here illegally or do not have a work visa and should nto be working, legalizing it does not help them 1 bit.[/QUOTE]Well to be honest with you, if legalizing it would be the death of AMP's, then I'm sorry, but so be it. AMP's just seem to be the safest route as far as going about acquiring the services I sometimes need. Escorts and SW are a little riskier for obviously reasons. I'd feel bad for the girls effected by this, sorry if this sounds cold, but I'm not going to AMP's for humanitarian reasons.
The point to my rant was that I'm tired of sneaking around like a damn terrorist, when I'm potentially doing what comes natural to all humans; to most living things.
You know I think the only reason why this hasn't been legalized more wide spread is because no law maker wants to be the one that steps out there and has his name attached to this kinda legislation, and it may be simply because he would have to justify his beliefs to his wife/spouse, family members and voters thus coming off like an immoral perv.
America swears it's ahead of the world on everything, but it's one of the most backward free nations in the world when it comes to sex. I was stationed in Germany, years back, when I was in the military, and you had these 'red light district' establishments all over the place. They were as convenient and numerous as CVS drug stores, or 7-11's, and nobody batted an eye. I believe Amsterdam is the same.
[QUOTE=Cavetroll]Not to rain on any parades...but a retarded number of women in AMP's are actually illegal immigrants from war torn or impoverished countries. Many of the very girls we are familiar with may have been trafficked. That doesn't necessarily mean kidnapped in the night and forced to be here; it could be as insidious as claiming that America is the land of golden opportunity, and then having all kinds of hidden hooks once a girl gets here. In some places of the country, an extremely common story is a girl comes over on a work or student visa, which then expires. The girl barely knows the language, has no friends or family in the states, and not even enough money to get a plane ticket home. They then get sort of stuck in the profession. Let's face it - 80 bucks for yanking on some old or ugly American's pud is a hell of a lot better deal than flipping burgers.
On less of a downer note, legalization would bring about price capping, competition, and girls who are in the biz at least a bit more willingly.[/QUOTE]Umm, no. Which countries do they come from that are war-torn and impoverished? South Korea? They would have had to come from the 50's or earlier to claim that.
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]I'm just wondering why now. I know they've always tried to crack down on spas, but why now with the heavy handedness.
Who really cares out there other than a few self righteous polliticians who are screwing around anyways with $5,000 escorts and having babies with their mistresses--former presidential candidate, and they are worried about this?[/QUOTE]
Nobody does care except for the politicians. And they do it because it's an easy cause to champion. It would REALLY take balls to start a campaign against outlawing this type of victimless prostitution, but who would risk themselves politically for that? And its always these politicians and such that campaign the strongest against these vices that end up tangled in it themselves.
I know CoCo gave the best body on body TS I`ve ever had HUMMMMM!
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]Sun was my first DC spa...damn what a way to start. As a matter of fact, I think I only hit like three or four of the spas before Black Monday and this recent spate of closings.
I always loved going to Sun before a game or the Metro ride to the 'burbs. Remember Pink? And was it CoCo who said "You supaman!".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eatatmoes]Sun was my first DC spa...damn what a way to start. As a matter of fact, I think I only hit like three or four of the spas before Black Monday and this recent spate of closings.
I always loved going to Sun before a game or the Metro ride to the 'burbs. Remember Pink? And was it CoCo who said "You supaman!".[/QUOTE]
Now as some of you may know I went to a few AMPs over the years...just a few. I always had good luck at Ginza, a spot some of you may not have heard of as it got closed when the MMS tried to bribe one of DC's finest...bad move.
Lax
[QUOTE=Cranberries]Umm, no. Which countries do they come from that are war-torn and impoverished? South Korea? They would have had to come from the 50's or earlier to claim that.[/QUOTE]
South Korea and China are impoverished, they have big cities with large populations that do well and have strong economies. But these girls (despite the lies they tell you) are from rural areas, where it is VERY poor. Especially China, where Chinese Koreans are basically 2-3rd class citizens. Very frew job options are available, they almost always have to go to Russia or the Usa or some European country to find work and send money home.
South Korea, war torn could be an accurate statement even though there is no war, they live with the fear that N. Korea is going to attack them every day, and spend HUGE amounts of money on defense. Money that like many countries could benifit the impoverished people living in the rural areas of the country.
Make no mistake about it. Most of the girls in the area here, are not actually from Korea where they may have been able to survive, most of them are from China. This is an issue with many of them fearing discrimination from Native Koreans in the business, they will tell you they are from S.Korea when in fact they are not.
If you think that lack of options = choice you are mistaken.
Take care the yourselves and the girls in the hobby.
[QUOTE=Laxman #2]Now as some of you may know I went to a few AMPs over the years...just a few. I always had good luck at Ginza, a spot some of you may not have heard of as it got closed when the MMS tried to bribe one of DC's finest...bad move.
Lax[/QUOTE]
Aaaah -- Ginza! Many an enjoyable moment with Connie's Ladies! At both (or was it 3?) places. Had a lot of tea and Kimshi in the kitchen over on 11th.
am
[QUOTE=Any Mouse]Aaaah -- Ginza! Many an enjoyable moment with Connie's Ladies! At both (or was it 3?) places. Had a lot of tea and Kimshi in the kitchen over on 11th.
am[/QUOTE]
My ATF back in the good old days was the original Downtown. I never did eat in the restaurant!
The [url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=748536#post748536]Amp closures of 2009[/url].......[url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3841&page=80&pp=15]Remember?[/url]
[b]One year later............ Seems as though history is repeating itself again.[/b]
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]South Korea and China are impoverished, they have big cities with large populations that do well and have strong economies. But these girls (despite the lies they tell you) are from rural areas, where it is VERY poor. Especially China, where Chinese Koreans are basically 2-3rd class citizens. Very frew job options are available, they almost always have to go to Russia or the Usa or some European country to find work and send money home.
South Korea, war torn could be an accurate statement even though there is no war, they live with the fear that N. Korea is going to attack them every day, and spend HUGE amounts of money on defense. Money that like many countries could benifit the impoverished people living in the rural areas of the country.
Make no mistake about it. Most of the girls in the area here, are not actually from Korea where they may have been able to survive, most of them are from China. This is an issue with many of them fearing discrimination from Native Koreans in the business, they will tell you they are from S.Korea when in fact they are not.[/QUOTE]Your post makes no sense. Most of the girls are actually Chinese but they lie about it because they are afraid of discrimination from the minority Native Koreans? Maybe you met a couple of girls that are actually Chinese but I'm pretty damn sure that most of them are Korean.
Wondering if anybody knows where Bunny or Bonnie goes after star spa got closed? I was there last November and it's a very good time.
Thanks
I agree with Cranberries. There re so many sonsensical statements in Brahmabull's post I wouldn't even know where to start.
[QUOTE=Cranberries]Your post makes no sense. Most of the girls are actually Chinese but they lie about it because they are afraid of discrimination from the minority Native Koreans? Maybe you met a couple of girls that are actually Chinese but I'm pretty damn sure that most of them are Korean.[/QUOTE]I can confirm what B-bull said is true. I know of 3 AMPs where I go to that are either owned by, run by, or staffed with Chinese people of Korean descent.
The other night as I was walking out of my favorite place after a wonderful and glorious FS session, I passed by mamasan who was studying a thick-ass book with small prints: Chinese/Korean/English tri-lingual dictionary.
Read up on this subject (not about the spa industry per se, but about this particular ethnic group:
[url]http://en. Wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreans_in_China[/url]
To non-Asians, this is a minor nuance but nonetheless it exists.
[QUOTE=Any Mouse]Aaaah -- Ginza! Many an enjoyable moment with Connie's Ladies! At both (or was it 3?) places. Had a lot of tea and Kimshi in the kitchen over on 11th.
am[/QUOTE]
Before that she had Yoko Spa in DuPont Circle/Florida Ave. Small, over a liquor store. There was an innocent looking Thai girl that worked there who was truly depraved. I liked that in a woman.
Ginza continued that tradition. Gentrification has ruined DC for us hobbyists.
I still remember.
[QUOTE=Ginger Man]Before that she had Yoko Spa in DuPont Circle/Florida Ave. Small, over a liquor store. There was an innocent looking Thai girl that worked there who was truly depraved. I liked that in a woman.
Ginza continued that tradition. Gentrification has ruined DC for us hobbyists.
I still remember.[/QUOTE]
I remember her....unfortunately i blew my load during the massage because she was so hot.
[QUOTE=Cranberries]Your post makes no sense. Most of the girls are actually Chinese but they lie about it because they are afraid of discrimination from the minority Native Koreans? Maybe you met a couple of girls that are actually Chinese but I'm pretty damn sure that most of them are Korean.[/QUOTE]
You truly show that you do not know much about the inner workings of the spa business. That is ok, you don't need to know anything to be a monger.
That said, if you have no interest in how it really works, fine, just keep your comments to yourself about those of us who do.
[QUOTE=Chaz]I agree with Cranberries. There re so many sonsensical statements in Brahmabull's post I wouldn't even know where to start.[/QUOTE]
Well it would take you YEARS of dating girls from spas in the area (OUTSIDE THE SPA) for you to get inside enough to have any REAL knowledge of the bussiness. SO since you can not get educated in the short term how about you NOT even get involved with discussions where you have no knowledge of the topic?
I don't care if you like or even agree with me, what I say is true. Just because YOU dont know it, does not make it not true.
Girls will rarely tell you this, because they are afraid you will share it with the next girl (who may NOT be from China) you see at the spa. See mongers can not be trusted to keep their mouths shut. As is this site is proof.
Why all this arguing about Chinese or Korean? Do you intend on marrying her? Even then, would it make any difference?
If that is all we have to discuss here we had best go out and move some snow!
JJ
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]Why all this arguing about Chinese or Korean? Do you intend on marrying her? Even then, would it make any difference?
If that is all we have to discuss here we had best go out and move some snow!
JJ[/QUOTE]
Well none to me. I was pointing out the flawed reasoning that there are no impoverished countries where these girls come from. That assumption is FALSE.
Additionally I was pointing out that Chinese-Koreans live below the standards of even poor Chinese people.
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]Why all this arguing about Chinese or Korean? Do you intend on marrying her? Even then, would it make any difference?
If that is all we have to discuss here we had best go out and move some snow!
JJ[/QUOTE]I think today would be the ideal day to make it to an AMP, if many were still open. You could relax knowing an LE raid would be next to impossible!
Lax, why would you bring up Ginza??? :)
I've been trying to get the memory of that place out of my mind for YEARS now. In my opinion, there was none better...Connie was my girl!
So was Candy... ;)
Nuke
[QUOTE=Laxman #2]Now as some of you may know I went to a few AMPs over the years...just a few. I always had good luck at Ginza, a spot some of you may not have heard of as it got closed when the MMS tried to bribe one of DC's finest...bad move.
Lax[/QUOTE]
Don't know if anyone read the Jan 14th edition of City Paper, but if you google:
[b]Prostitution Enthusiasts Mourn Closing of D.C. Brothels[/b]
there's an interesting article. :o
[QUOTE=Tha X Facta]Don't know if anyone read the Jan 14th edition of City Paper, but if you google:
[b]Prostitution Enthusiasts Mourn Closing of D.C. Brothels[/b],there's an interesting article.[/QUOTE]Well, at least that clears the air as to why I've never heard of the wrestling club before. An the to think I thought I missed out on this location.
[QUOTE=Tha X Facta]Don't know if anyone read the Jan 14th edition of City Paper, but if you google:
[b]Prostitution Enthusiasts Mourn Closing of D.C. Brothels[/b]
there's an interesting article. :o[/QUOTE]Interesting. You can tell by the tone of it, it was written by a woman.
[QUOTE=Freshly Snipes]Interesting. You can tell by the tone of it, it was written by a woman.[/QUOTE]
Indeed it was. I'm having it out with her right now. Anyone care to help?
[url]http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/01/14/prostitution-enthusiasts-mourn-closing-of-d-c-brothels/[/url]
Please, keep your cool.
[QUOTE=Max Beelyun]Indeed it was. I'm having it out with her right now. Anyone care to help?
[url]http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/01/14/prostitution-enthusiasts-mourn-closing-of-d-c-brothels/[/url]
Please, keep your cool.[/QUOTE]
One, our words were used against our ladies. I am afraid there is just too much information here.
That human trafficking is not what they say. All the gals I have known, more than a few, are in it for the money, and other than certain ongoing business fees, are not indebted to gangsters!
Oh well.....
[QUOTE=Ginger Man]One, our words were used against our ladies. I am afraid there is just too much information here.
That human trafficking is not what they say. All the gals I have known, more than a few, are in it for the money, and other than certain ongoing business fees, are not indebted to gangsters!
Oh well.....[/QUOTE]
NONE of the girls in DC were forced here and held against their will. Does it happen, yes sometimes, but not in any of the spas busted, nor in any of the ones I have visited that have stayed open. I have seen the girls outside of their working environment, on vacation and such. This would not be possible if they were "Sex slaves".
NOT ONE CHARGE of trafficking was brought in any of the closures.
The author of the article clearly did very little research and knows no facts about AMPs in general. She was just lazy. And possibly not very bright.
Why would anyone want to carry on a discussion with someone who has already formed an opinion absent facts who has already documented an article which so many errors and incorrect or false statements? She has too much to lose by learning the truth.