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[QUOTE=OfficeHo;6913741]The lines have been very very short. Almost non existent most of the day for over a month. I don't think it has anything to do with rules though. I think the economy is much worse than people are realizing. Restaurant businesses is also way way down. The girls that have recently come back are all mentioning that they can't make anything close to what they were making before. Enjoy O.[/QUOTE]If the girls aren't attractive, business will suck. It's as simple as that.
[QUOTE=RKFan58;6913770]If the girls aren't attractive, business will suck. It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]It is the economy. There have been plenty of times in the past when the girls were not great at all and there was always a line. Even silky gets customers LOL. Although I don't know how. Same thing with ci ci at bc. The current talent may not satisfy you. But it has been much worse plenty of times. And the lines were never as short as they have been this year. I am quite involved in the restaurant business and they are all feeling the pinch also. BC has also had very few customers lately. You all can fight amongst yourselves as to what is quality and what isn't. But a lot of frill businesses are not doing well. Enjoy O.
[QUOTE=OfficeHo;6913885]It is the economy. There have been plenty of times in the past when the girls were not great at all and there was always a line. Even silky gets customers LOL. Although I don't know how. Same thing with ci ci at bc. The current talent may not satisfy you. But it has been much worse plenty of times. And the lines were never as short as they have been this year. I am quite involved in the restaurant business and they are all feeling the pinch also. BC has also had very few customers lately. You all can fight amongst yourselves as to what is quality and what isn't. But a lot of frill businesses are not doing well. Enjoy O.[/QUOTE]Agree, the economy has a lot to do with it. I am older, and self employed, that made plenty back in the day but now with the way things are I just don't have money to piss away on like I did a few years ago so for the first time in decades, it seems, being more careful with the dollars! Hope to head that way before the summer traffic gets crazy though!
[QUOTE=Gridley;6912936]I have generally gone lately just to recruit additional talent for outcalls. To say this afternoon's lineup was disappointing is an understatement. It was busy as usual, lots of girls, but just not cutting it for me. Far too many short and wides and the few that I liked I've already done 20 times each. Also very minimal line for the back, which begs to question why very few were partaking. I think the rules have become too restrictive. I don't mind rules if the girl is attractive but most of these girls were meh at best.
Left and decided to give Bishop's another shot.[/QUOTE]Short and Wide is right! Who cares if there's 20 girls if they are all the same type. There's just no variety. And the girls who don't fit that mold are usually not very enthusiastic and know they don't have to offer much.
Yes, the back lines have been short or nothing.
[QUOTE=AverageNerd;6914109]Short and Wide is right! Who cares if there's 20 girls if they are all the same type. There's just no variety. And the girls who don't fit that mold are usually not very enthusiastic and know they don't have to offer much.
Yes, the back lines have been short or nothing.[/QUOTE]When I see some come in or leave wearing non stripper shoes they are so short they disappear behind the bar. A couple are no taller than the back of a chair.
[QUOTE=Gridley;6914561]When I see some come in or leave wearing non stripper shoes they are so short they disappear behind the bar. A couple are no taller than the back of a chair.[/QUOTE]You are right. But a lot of the Spanish guys are not any taller. I kind of like the short latinas though. Enjoy O.
I know this isn't going to happen but now is probably a good time to save some money when the talent is bad, hope they change their rules, let the girls get a little more hungry and then go back later. Prices really ran up higher pretty fast.
[QUOTE=TradeWeex;6915040]I know this isn't going to happen but now is probably a good time to save some money when the talent is bad, hope they change their rules, let the girls get a little more hungry and then go back later. Prices really ran up higher pretty fast.[/QUOTE]Not sure which rules you want changed. But whatever happens. About the most you will ever save is about 20 dollars. The girls that went up to 80 may take 60 again when they get desperate. Girls that went up to 100 might be back to 80. That's about all the savings that will ever be had. The drink prices will stay the same. The door fees will stay the same. The proprietors of PM and BC can easily retire if they choose. They are in their early 70's and there doesn't seem to be any apparent heirs to replace them at the helm of these establishments. Where else would you go if they just disappeared I wonder. Sometimes folks don't realize what they have until it's gone. Enjoy O.
Dropped by PM yesterday after 1 PM. Despite the recent observations of fellow mongers, I have to say that there there was a great variety of good looking ladies around from thick to slim, short to tall. Most importantly to me, Debra, one of my ATFs, returned for the first time since the pandemic. She was surprised to see benches rather than chairs, but quickly adapted. Shalamar, Estelle, and other nice latinas were all there. Of course, if you prefer AAs or PAWGs, they are endangered species at PM. While there are some down days, I think PM is still competitive and prices are stable. BC, on the other hand, is not doing well. On my most recent visit in mid afternoon, there were 4 dancers and none were worth the effort.
[QUOTE=WolbDrah;6915445]Dropped by PM yesterday after 1 PM. Despite the recent observations of fellow mongers, I have to say that there there was a great variety of good looking ladies around from thick to slim, short to tall. Most importantly to me, Debra, one of my ATFs, returned for the first time since the pandemic. She was surprised to see benches rather than chairs, but quickly adapted. Shalamar, Estelle, and other nice latinas were all there. Of course, if you prefer AAs or PAWGs, they are endangered species at PM. While there are some down days, I think PM is still competitive and prices are stable. BC, on the other hand, is not doing well. On my most recent visit in mid afternoon, there were 4 dancers and none were worth the effort.[/QUOTE]Estelle is back? Maybe it's time for a trip.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;6915474]Estelle is back? Maybe it's time for a trip.[/QUOTE]I kind of don't think Estelle is actually back every day. I only see her there once in a while. Enjoy O.
[QUOTE=WolbDrah;6915445]Dropped by PM yesterday after 1 PM. Despite the recent observations of fellow mongers, I have to say that there there was a great variety of good looking ladies around from thick to slim, short to tall. Most importantly to me, Debra, one of my ATFs, returned for the first time since the pandemic. She was surprised to see benches rather than chairs, but quickly adapted. Shalamar, Estelle, and other nice latinas were all there. Of course, if you prefer AAs or PAWGs, they are endangered species at PM. While there are some down days, I think PM is still competitive and prices are stable. BC, on the other hand, is not doing well. On my most recent visit in mid afternoon, there were 4 dancers and none were worth the effort.[/QUOTE]Was it columbian MILF Debra? Just wondering. But if so. She has been back several times since pandemic. Enjoy O.
[QUOTE=OfficeHo;6915534]Was it columbian MILF Debra? Just wondering. But if so. She has been back several times since pandemic. Enjoy O.[/QUOTE]No, she's Dominicana and comes up from NY.
[QUOTE=WolbDrah;6916282]No, she's Dominicana and comes up from NY.[/QUOTE]Ok thanks for the reply. Enjoy O.
Fellow Mongers,
I dropped into Ruby's a few times recently, and I left disappointed for a several reasons. The rotation is very short these days: not much variety. Quality: Only 3 whose looks I would rate at an 8 or higher. Not much fun: None of the gals I took to the back would even entertain a conversation about extras —dfk, fiv, HJ. Except for one —but she'd been nickel and diming me with extra charges, and I'd had enough of her attitude.
Speaking of attitude, Jada is a very nice looking woman of African ancestry —big tits, good face, nice bod. But even at the stage she does a nickel and diming schtick about "extra money not for one but for both of her tits," and more. She just wouldn't quit. She killed any possible vibe. Even out back, after a mediocre dance, she had the nerve to shake me down for a tip. WTH?
I gave Lena a whirl. And after a couple of serviceable yet unremarkable dances, I remembered why years ago I put her on my " no dance list. ".
Anna is very beautiful but is uninteresting out back.
The rest were either uninspiring, fat, fugly, or no fun. I miss the good times with Michelle, Destiny, and others who could be found after sinking in a little time, effort, and money.
Barnes.
[QUOTE=Barnes75;6917080]Fellow Mongers,
I dropped into Ruby's a few times recently, and I left disappointed for a several reasons. The rotation is very short these days: not much variety. Quality: Only 3 whose looks I would rate at an 8 or higher. Not much fun: None of the gals I took to the back would even entertain a conversation about extras dfk, fiv, HJ. Except for one but she'd been nickel and diming me with extra charges, and I'd had enough of her attitude.
Speaking of attitude, Jada is a very nice looking woman of African ancestry big tits, good face, nice bod. But even at the stage she does a nickel and diming schtick about "extra money not for one but for both of her tits," and more. She just wouldn't quit. She killed any possible vibe. Even out back, after a mediocre dance, she had the nerve to shake me down for a tip. WTH?
Barnes.[/QUOTE]I've been giving $1 for over 40 years. I used to spend about $20_ $25 total in tips spread out over 2 or 3 girls as they danced or while they sat with me at the bar and they were happy. I still do the same today more or less, but it doesn't go as far for the dancers. Its like giving them a quarter 30 yearx ago. Times have changed and so must our tips.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;6917280]I've been giving $1 for over 40 years. I used to spend about $20_ $25 total in tips spread out over 2 or 3 girls as they danced or while they sat with me at the bar and they were happy. I still do the same today more or less, but it doesn't go as far for the dancers. Its like giving them a quarter 30 yearx ago. Times have changed and so must our tips.[/QUOTE]When they nickel and dime you, it makes the basic service terrible knowing they can get more for each item. It's like tipping in the US, now its tipping when you buy a pastry from a bakery.
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Tipping varies so widely by club and dancer, from the rudely expectant to ones that deserve large.
[QUOTE=JavaMan;6917280]I've been giving $1 for over 40 years. I used to spend about $20_ $25 total in tips spread out over 2 or 3 girls as they danced or while they sat with me at the bar and they were happy. I still do the same today more or less, but it doesn't go as far for the dancers. Its like giving them a quarter 30 yearx ago. Times have changed and so must our tips.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Barnes75;6917080]Fellow Mongers,
I dropped into Ruby's a few times recently, and I left disappointed for a several reasons. The rotation is very short these days: not much variety. Quality: Only 3 whose looks I would rate at an 8 or higher. Not much fun: None of the gals I took to the back would even entertain a conversation about extras dfk, fiv, HJ. Except for one but she'd been nickel and diming me with extra charges, and I'd had enough of her attitude.
Speaking of attitude, Jada is a very nice looking woman of African ancestry big tits, good face, nice bod. But even at the stage she does a nickel and diming schtick about "extra money not for one but for both of her tits," and more. She just wouldn't quit. She killed any possible vibe. Even out back, after a mediocre dance, she had the nerve to shake me down for a tip. WTH?
I gave Lena a whirl. And after a couple of serviceable yet unremarkable dances, I remembered why years ago I put her on my " no dance list. ".
Anna is very beautiful but is uninteresting out back.
The rest were either uninspiring, fat, fugly, or no fun. I miss the good times with Michelle, Destiny, and others who could be found after sinking in a little time, effort, and money.
Barnes.[/QUOTE]I hear Ritchie is still telling the girls this place is not a brothel and will fire anyone caught. Have not been back until the altitude disappears.
[QUOTE=TradeWeex;6917355]When they nickel and dime you, it makes the basic service terrible knowing they can get more for each item. It's like tipping in the US, now its tipping when you buy a pastry from a bakery.[/QUOTE]It's definitely not a good way to get return customers. However, if a dancer really knows how to seduce a customer (very rare talent these days BTW) then she can keep emptying his wallet in increments by upselling and several other small tricks. Problem is that most dancers think they are just worth it and have no idea that they are just pissing you off which is just the opposite of seduction LOL.
It does appear there has been some shortening of the leash at Ruby's of late. I used to know three or four dancers that were very handsy but I haven't seen them recently. Two dancers I still consider well worth the time and money even with current constraints are Star and Carla, both very attractive and friendly Brazilians who give great dances. Carla can barely speak a word of English so have a translator app ready LOL.
[QUOTE=LongHauler;6918298]It does appear there has been some shortening of the leash at Ruby's of late. I used to know three or four dancers that were very handsy but I haven't seen them recently. Two dancers I still consider well worth the time and money even with current constraints are Star and Carla, both very attractive and friendly Brazilians who give great dances. Carla can barely speak a word of English so have a translator app ready LOL.[/QUOTE]Is this possibly the same Carla that worked here for years back in the 90's into the 2000's? Then wound up at Keepers afterward? I haven't been down here since Covid. Her English wasn't great back then. She was great looking back then can't imagine now, though Destiny was around back then and still looked good when I saw her there a few years back.
[QUOTE=Gossage54;6918476]Is this possibly the same Carla that worked here for years back in the 90's into the 2000's? Then wound up at Keepers afterward? I haven't been down here since Covid. Her English wasn't great back then. She was great looking back then can't imagine now, though Destiny was around back then and still looked good when I saw her there a few years back.[/QUOTE]Was the Carla you speak of a thin girl with a huge natural rack and long black hair? Seemed to always be smiling?
[QUOTE=Gossage54;6918476]Is this possibly the same Carla that worked here for years back in the 90's into the 2000's? Then wound up at Keepers afterward? I haven't been down here since Covid. Her English wasn't great back then. She was great looking back then can't imagine now, though Destiny was around back then and still looked good when I saw her there a few years back.[/QUOTE]She certainly doesn't look like someone who has been dancing for 20+ years, although some of these women can fool you. On the shorter side, dark hair, fake tits and I believe an enhanced ass as well. Very sweet and friendly.
I've tried to reach her but think my phone # for her is no longer good.
PM please if you have a way to reach her. I'd love to see her. She was a major fave of mine.
[QUOTE=Mustafa;6919464]I've tried to reach her but think my phone # for her is no longer good.
PM please if you have a way to reach her. I'd love to see her. She was a major fave of mine.[/QUOTE]She was a fav of mine also. " I love your juice. I only do this with you".
[QUOTE=JavaMan;6919630]She was a fav of mine also. " I love your juice. I only do this with you".[/QUOTE]I've done her a couple times for takeout. I imagine she is looking pretty old now. She was 67 before Covid. That easily puts her over 70 now LOL. She looked ok for an old woman and was dirt cheap. Only $100 for take out. Kind of a last call option for me. But worth the price and attitude was always fun. That has to be factored in. Seems like she has moved on. But you never know. They always seem to pop back up when you don't expect. Enjoy O.
[QUOTE=OfficeHo;6919720]I've done her a couple times for takeout. I imagine she is looking pretty old now. She was 67 before Covid. That easily puts her over 70 now LOL. She looked ok for an old woman and was dirt cheap. Only $100 for take out. Kind of a last call option for me. But worth the price and attitude was always fun. That has to be factored in. Seems like she has moved on. But you never know. They always seem to pop back up when you don't expect. Enjoy O.[/QUOTE]Can you please PM me contact information.
Thank You.
Staying in Stratford for the night and looking for something to do. Is PM or BC safe for a basic white guy late at night? Looking for fun not danger.
Full disclosure, I'm new here and to the hobby. Some AMP's but haven't had a chance to do a review yet, so totally understand if the answer is to go screw.
[QUOTE=GWilson24;6919794]Staying in Stratford for the night and looking for something to do. Is PM or BC safe for a basic white guy late at night? Looking for fun not danger.
Full disclosure, I'm new here and to the hobby. Some AMP's but haven't had a chance to do a review yet, so totally understand if the answer is to go screw.[/QUOTE]Depends on what you mean by late. Anything before ten is probably just fine. In my younger days twenty years ago. I thought nothing of staying at both those places and others right up until closing time. Never had a problem, never worried about, never cared. But now I don't think it's such a good idea. There have been shootings nearby at night. Even murder. But those are usually local fights between not so nice folks. The owner if bc was shot several years ago because they tried to rib him after closing time. But the fact that you even feel the need to ask means that you should be nowhere near those places after ten. Just by your apprehensive appearance will make you an easy target. Enjoy O.
[QUOTE=OfficeHo;6919927]Depends on what you mean by late. Anything before ten is probably just fine. In my younger days twenty years ago. I thought nothing of staying at both those places and others right up until closing time. Never had a problem, never worried about, never cared. But now I don't think it's such a good idea. There have been shootings nearby at night. Even murder. But those are usually local fights between not so nice folks. The owner if bc was shot several years ago because they tried to rib him after closing time. But the fact that you even feel the need to ask means that you should be nowhere near those places after ten. Just by your apprehensive appearance will make you an easy target. Enjoy O.[/QUOTE]Thank you, appreciate the info.
[QUOTE=WillyO;6918521]Was the Carla you speak of a thin girl with a huge natural rack and long black hair? Seemed to always be smiling?[/QUOTE]Yep that was her. Sounds like from his description though definitely not her.
Bc has a couple new flavors in the daytime. Slender dark skin Dominican, fairly young, attractive. Have no idea what she is like. Just figured I would mention. Another Dominican, about 30, long blonde hair down to her ass. No tits, nice ass. Great attitude. Seems to have some English skills. I talked to her in Spanish and she kept answering in English LOL. Headed to pm. Julisa was there and she was shitfaced. That's the time to grab her and go! Just a great blonde bimbo for a great time when she is like that. Enjoy O.
[QUOTE=Mustafa;6919757]Can you please PM me contact information.
Thank You.[/QUOTE]I know what you are looking for mustafa. It would probably be best if you weren't so blunt in your asking. Honestly, that really doesn't work. Has it ever worked for you in the past? However, you can try Pamela at pm night shift. Blonde Venezuelan, nice natural tits. YMMV but you have an 80% chance I would say. She is currently working. Another is columbian MILF Debra. She is not there now but will probably be back soon. YMMV but you have a 90% chance. Enjoy O.
[QUOTE=OfficeHo;6921231]Bc has a couple new flavors in the daytime. Slender dark skin Dominican, fairly young, attractive. Have no idea what she is like. Just figured I would mention. Another Dominican, about 30, long blonde hair down to her ass. No tits, nice ass. Great attitude. Seems to have some English skills. I talked to her in Spanish and she kept answering in English LOL. Headed to pm. Julisa was there and she was shitfaced. That's the time to grab her and go! Just a great blonde bimbo for a great time when she is like that. Enjoy O.[/QUOTE]I saw a blonde at BC about a week that was way a cut above the rest. Night shift but haven't seen her since. Possibly the same one?
[QUOTE=OfficeHo;6921231]Bc has a couple new flavors in the daytime. Slender dark skin Dominican, fairly young, attractive. Have no idea what she is like. Just figured I would mention. Another Dominican, about 30, long blonde hair down to her ass. No tits, nice ass. Great attitude. Seems to have some English skills. I talked to her in Spanish and she kept answering in English LOL. Headed to pm. Julisa was there and she was shitfaced. That's the time to grab her and go! Just a great blonde bimbo for a great time when she is like that. Enjoy O.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, Ho. Anyone else seen the slender Dominican or anymore detail? Did you try out the other Dominican? The blonde? Anytime I have stopped by BC during the day it's been just awful. Usually 4-5 unexciting girls just sitting and no customers.
[QUOTE=Gridley;6921641]I saw a blonde at BC about a week that was way a cut above the rest. Night shift but haven't seen her since. Possibly the same one?[/QUOTE]Don't know anything about the night shift at bc since they reopened. But she said she has been here for about a week. Enjoy O.
Just wanted to say thanks for the info. We stopped by ruby's first and then hit mystique with the finish at PM. Your right about it being packed, we could barely walk around but the line to the back was moving fairly quick. We wanted to hit BC but had to head out for the night.
[QUOTE=AverageNerd;6921793]Thanks for the info, Ho. Anyone else seen the slender Dominican or anymore detail? Did you try out the other Dominican? The blonde? Anytime I have stopped by BC during the day it's been just awful. Usually 4-5 unexciting girls just sitting and no customers.[/QUOTE]I know which blonde you guys are talking about. I actually took her for a test drive the 1st night she started. She was good but a bit on the clockwatcher side of things, but overall not bad. She full of energy back there and is def a cut way above the rest, I'd go as far and say she's a cut above a lot girls in PM too. Last week I got lucky and stumbled on this bad ass Venezuelan at BC but she was there for only 2 days, good thing l took her for a spin and she was absolutely amazing back there, I believe her name is Alexandra. There's another slim dominican that's there on random days and shifts, she's younger and always has fishnet type of outfit on, long black hair and puckered lips. She's insanely good in the back. Damages for all of them was. 80 I tend to stumble on them thursdays and Fridays. All the other days in BC can be absolutely horrible but occasionally there's a diamond in rough that pops up.
[QUOTE=PremierMinis;6922598]I know which blonde you guys are talking about. I actually took her for a test drive the 1st night she started. She was good but a bit on the clockwatcher side of things, but overall not bad. She full of energy back there and is def a cut way above the rest, I'd go as far and say she's a cut above a lot girls in PM too. Last week I got lucky and stumbled on this bad ass Venezuelan at BC but she was there for only 2 days, good thing l took her for a spin and she was absolutely amazing back there, I believe her name is Alexandra. There's another slim dominican that's there on random days and shifts, she's younger and always has fishnet type of outfit on, long black hair and puckered lips. She's insanely good in the back. Damages for all of them was. 80 I tend to stumble on them thursdays and Fridays. All the other days in BC can be absolutely horrible but occasionally there's a diamond in rough that pops up.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the follow-up. I was surprised at the nights talent level at BC the last few weeks. I figured this blonde would b a one and done as so many attractive ones who realize where they are and bolt.