"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Snake27;4428177][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/36584c21-9d96-43a4-bc6b-742ee251f0aa[/URL]

I had a M&G with this girl, We met at a restaurant within walking distance of VSU in Petersburg and had a nice talk. She is real. Very smart for her age, with good ambition, I think she'd make a great SB and is my type (slender, dark-skinned). Wanted dates in public. By text we had discussed 400 ppv initially with it possibly dropping, but I figured I'd talk to her in person and negotiate. Still, she might be worth the 400.

Unfortunately she seems a little naive about the sexual component of being an SB. When I asked her about her experiences on SA, she said it was a bunch of creeps trying to engage in prostitution. I asked if she ever had an SD and she said yes, once, but she quit after he started asking for sex. Not a good sign! At the end of our visit she revealed that she had expected 400 for the M&G! I felt a little sorry for her and gave her 40 and explained how a M&G is an interview.

Maybe she hustled me? I doubt it, I think she's just a naive 18 year old who needs money. Later I texted her that for 400 intimacy was expected. I thought of offering to date her platonically for awhile but I no longer have the patience for that approach. Maybe those of you who are good at converting platonic can try. She has ghosted me.[/QUOTE]She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3f3d7df8-5f63-440b-b15f-26f537c13cc2[/URL]

Anybody got background on her? Seems like a sweet girl in recovery. Given her admitted past I'm thinking she's already been a sex worker. 🤷127995;8205;9794;65039; Says she is living with relatives so can't host.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4428191]She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.[/QUOTE]I second that. Last year myself and my buddy within a week had one that tried that on us. The same girl. So obviously she knew the deal and was trying to get money. I showed her our text exchange about m&g before any money and she said "Oh". Then she got in her car and drove away to never be heard from again.

Plenty of broke babies looking for textbook money now to even think about wasting time on platonic chicks.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4428191]She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.[/QUOTE]I don't find any part of her story credible. No one gave her hundreds for dinner, and if that's what she's looking for, the profile is deliberately misleading. It says "open to pretty much anything" and mentions nothing about platonic or social dates. She picked two tags but neither of them were the platonic tag staring her right in the face when she made the profile. And given that there's quite literally zero chance in her 8 months on the site that you're the first guy who told her intimacy was typical and expected for large donations like that she could have edited her profile at anytime to say what she was really looking for, but didn't. Even if you incredibly were the first guy to explain this to her she still hasn't edited her profile, which means she's intentionally inviting people seeking legit arrangements to message her.

I wouldn't have given her even the 40, unless I was worried about bumping into her down the road and her causing a scene or something. She sounds like a very effective rinser and while she could've possibly gotten more out of it, getting the 40 and a meal is still not a bad outcome for her. Thankfully no big loss for you. As an aside about being taken, I had a M&G years ago where I had absolutely no interest in her after meeting but made the mistake of staying and letting her have several drinks. Well, she was DTF that night and expecting a donation (this was not agreed or discussed prior to the M&G at all) and in her drunk state started to cause a serious scene in a restaurant near my home and work. I ended up having to give her what cash I had left on me after buying her all those drinks (thankfully less than 100) just to calm her down and get the hell out of there.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4426104]If you're married and cannot use your own place, it really limits you. It's the very rare girl under 25 that has her own place -- although I have met a couple who had roommates that were willing to go into their own rooms and keep the door shut, LOL. And hotels of course have their own expenses and hassles.

So I have thought from time to time about looking for a cheap furnished apartment that I could use for entertaining. In my city, there are places that you can get at maybe $600/ month, so amortized over maybe 8 visits / month, not a bad cost. Looking for advice or suggestions from anyone who may have tried this. Worried about the usual things relating to anonymity, signing a lease, paying by check or credit card, repairs, insurance whatever.

Just curious if anyone has done this and how it worked out. As always, appreciate everyone'e help.[/QUOTE]I wrote a lengthy reply to this, but it seems to have gotten lost.

In short.

I rent an apartment for sugaring. It's cost-effective and less stressful than a hotel.

I'm not married, so I don't worry about being found out. But, if you are worried about that, an apartment is still probably less risky than dozens of hotel room receipts and charges over a year.

Keep in mind you will need to clean the place, or hire someone to do it. I clean my own because it's a pain to find someone to do it.

Got to stock toilet paper, kitchen supplies, etc. It takes planning.

Keep in mind that the apt neighbors will be nosy. They always ask questions about me, and seem to gossip about that guy who is only there once in a while. And always with women.

Keep in mind that you might run into someone you know at the apt complex. Have a story ready.

All legit apartment complexes require renters insurance. Most offer a quick application policy from their preferred insurer. Mine is $100/ year.

Don't bother with cable or internet. Just get a TV and an Amazon Fire stick, then tether it to your phone's hotspot.

I pay about $25/ month for electric.

Keep in mind you will need to wash sheets and towels. My apt has a W / D in it, which makes that easier.

Keep the electric bill paperless. I have never received a single piece of mail at the apt in my name. I attribute that to keeping utilities and other stuff to a minimum.

All things considered, a sugar apartment was the only option for me. I spend about $1200/ month on it in all, but the peace of mind is worth it.

The $40 was a gamble. I do want her, and sometimes they come back with reasonable expectations. It happened to me once 3 weeks after a failed M&G. But yes, I can see your points, and that of TomDNH. She's been on the site, should know the deal, and her profile is misleading, I agree. In person, judging her body language and spontaneous responses, she seemed more like a confused 18 yo than a slick scammer.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4428191]She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.[/QUOTE]

The fact that she joined in January is not always a sign that the sb is experienced with the site. I run into plenty of POT's that join, get a flood of cringey DM's and then leave. Later, they reconsider and decide to return. Sometimes a year or more can elapse between when they signed up and when they return. I find these women respond well to a 'gentle' approach and are a bit more willing. I trust the judgement of the guy who was on the scene.

Bam.

[QUOTE=Snake27;4428732]The $40 was a gamble. I do want her, and sometimes they come back with reasonable expectations. It happened to me once 3 weeks after a failed M&G. But yes, I can see your points, and that of TomDNH. She's been on the site, should know the deal, and her profile is misleading, I agree. In person, judging her body language and spontaneous responses, she seemed more like a confused 18 yo than a slick scammer.[/QUOTE]

Good insight! Yes, I remember meeting a 19 yo in June who was fresh on the site. At the M&G she told me that according to her research she could get $2000 per month for platonic. What kind of research is that? But she said it with a straight face in all sincerity. She told me she had met one other guy before me, and he had tried to get her to go immediately to a hotel. We discussed doing $200 ppv starting platonic and eventually having sex, she was agreeable to that, but it seemed like an uncertain deal to me, so I politely declined the next day. I had done the same thing a year ago and the girl never made the transition to sex. Others have reported success at this, however. I forget this girl's handle, but she dropped from the site after a week, which is fairly typical. By my observation, about 90% of the new girls quit after a week or two, another 5% are on the site regularly for months or even years (these are your professional SBs) and the remaining 5% are somewhere in between. Anyway, I'm patient because I like long-term and the right situation. Some of the months I've joined I ended up with nothing.

[QUOTE=BamBam;4428843]The fact that she joined in January is not always a sign that the sb is experienced with the site. I run into plenty of POT's that join, get a flood of cringey DM's and then leave. Later, they reconsider and decide to return. Sometimes a year or more can elapse between when they signed up and when they return. I find these women respond well to a 'gentle' approach and are a bit more willing. I trust the judgement of the guy who was on the scene.

Bam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Truncated;4428439]I wrote a lengthy reply to this, but it seems to have gotten lost.

In short.

I rent an apartment for sugaring. It's cost-effective and less stressful than a hotel.

I'm not married, so I don't worry about being found out. But, if you are worried about that, an apartment is still probably less risky than dozens of hotel room receipts and charges over a year.

Keep in mind you will need to clean the place, or hire someone to do it. I clean my own because it's a pain to find someone to do it.

Got to stock toilet paper, kitchen supplies, etc. It takes planning.

Keep in mind that the apt neighbors will be nosy. They always ask questions about me, and seem to gossip about that guy who is only there once in a while. And always with women.

Keep in mind that you might run into someone you know at the apt complex. Have a story ready.

All legit apartment complexes require renters insurance. Most offer a quick application policy from their preferred insurer. Mine is $100/ year.

Don't bother with cable or internet. Just get a TV and an Amazon Fire stick, then tether it to your phone's hotspot.

I pay about $25/ month for electric.

Keep in mind you will need to wash sheets and towels. My apt has a W / D in it, which makes that easier.

Keep the electric bill paperless. I have never received a single piece of mail at the apt in my name. I attribute that to keeping utilities and other stuff to a minimum.

All things considered, a sugar apartment was the only option for me. I spend about $1200/ month on it in all, but the peace of mind is worth it.[/QUOTE]Thanks, very helpful. Lots of stuff I had not thought of, like utilities. Not sure if I can jump through all the hoops and be comfortable. The best was when I had an exclusive with a 26 year old who actually found a place, signed the lease, and handled all the details, and I just reimbursed / advanced her the $$. She used the place for a (legit) business and just a place to relax away from her family, so it was a win-win while it lasted.

So I found this chick on AM up in my area (Wilm, DE). Her location at that time was the same as mine. She was kind of on-off in communications and then went silent for a while. When she re-emerged she stated that she was now in the Richmond area and had been up my way for work. She was willing to fly up to see me however, since driving was too long as was the train. But reassured me she would come. We spend a lot of time texting during which she asked a lot of questions and answered only a few herself.

Anyway, I finally found her profile (since it moved geographically) and it now stated Ashburn, VA which certainly is not Richmond, more like DC. But that probably put her an hour closer. She sent a couple of pics in addition to the profile pic on the site. I checked them with GI and got no hits. The one looks professionally done to me. Anyway, after texting miles of text for many days, I asked about talking on the phone to gauge chemistry and make plans. Then I got the reply that her phone was broken and she needed to get a new one in order to be able to talk. Yeah, right. (or fishing for some upfront $?) At one point I was asking her what she desired as far a a meeting was concerned and she swore up one side & down another that she wasn't a prostitute and didn't need money. But at some point she wanted "help" with the plane ticket. LOL! I might have done that if it wasn't cash up front.

Anyway, having invested way too much time I could see this wasn't going anywhere, so I asked her to put up or shut-up and she bid me adieu!

This girl look familiar to anyone? Is she a known scammer or a SB? Or just some chick who doesn't get the game?

[QUOTE=Snake27;4429093]Good insight! Yes, I remember meeting a 19 yo in June who was fresh on the site. At the M&G she told me that according to her research she could get $2000 per month for platonic. What kind of research is that? But she said it with a straight face in all sincerity.[/QUOTE]I've been fortunate enough to have always preempted this kind of problem before it gets to the M&G. Whenever I run into conversation like that, I just say:

"I don't doubt some guys are that desperate, but think about what kind of loser he would have to be if he has to pay thousands of dollars just to find someone willing to talk to him? Do you even want to be seen in public with a guy like that? Wouldn't you rather have an SD you're attracted to? If you like what you see in my pics, we should meet. If not, we shouldn't even be chatting at this point."

[QUOTE=BamBam;4428843]The fact that she joined in January is not always a sign that the sb is experienced with the site. I run into plenty of POT's that join, get a flood of cringey DM's and then leave. Later, they reconsider and decide to return. Sometimes a year or more can elapse between when they signed up and when they return. I find these women respond well to a 'gentle' approach and are a bit more willing. I trust the judgement of the guy who was on the scene.

Bam.[/QUOTE]I've encountered that too where the profile lies dormant or even they deactivate it, then comes on and so the join date is not representative of their experience. But I'm sure like me you've probably gone through their SA messages with some of your girls (most really think it's funny to do this if you suggest it), and almost every message is suggestive of something physical in some form, if not initially then after a message or two. Even if she only got back on a week ago, she has 50 messages already most of which are about intimacy, and then she met Snake who gave her the low down. And still, she hasn't edited that profile to make it clear that she's seeking platonic, which she'd do if only to stop wasting her time and weed people out wanting intimacy. I see that change made on the new profiles almost daily, where platonic or no intimacy gets added after a couple of days on the site. If the profile is gone soon or she does actually change it then my read is clearly off, but her behavior seems more of a really good rinser.

I admit I'm the cynical type in this stuff, but I've found it to steer me right about 95% of the time. Even the good girls I've met over the years where it became long term, it turned out some part of the initial story relating to their experience with this was made up or false. Most of the time it's them feigning a total lack of experience, or embellishing the terms of previous arrangements, but have had a few it turned out where they pretended to have more experience than they really did for some reason.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4429429]Thanks, very helpful. Lots of stuff I had not thought of, like utilities. Not sure if I can jump through all the hoops and be comfortable. The best was when I had an exclusive with a 26 year old who actually found a place, signed the lease, and handled all the details, and I just reimbursed / advanced her the $$. She used the place for a (legit) business and just a place to relax away from her family, so it was a win-win while it lasted.[/QUOTE]When I first leased a sugar apartment, I thought it would be easy.

About two weeks later, when it was time to clean the place and change the sheets, buy toilet paper, etc. , my view changed.

I would still do it, as a sugar apartment is much better than hotels. But, darn, it's a lot of work to keep a sugar apartment going.

It's the little things that tripped me up. I found myself always running to Target or Wal Mart to pick stuff up. Wine opener? Toilet bowl brush? Bath soap?

You have to duplicate your home life, to some extent, at the sugar apartment.

Also, I made the huge mistake of accepting a date from a woman who lived in the apartment complex. We went out a few times. Then, she became very clingy. Very clingy. It was creepy just coming and going for a while.

But, I don't regret leasing the sugar apartment. Maybe learn from my mistakes.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4426104]If you're married and cannot use your own place, it really limits you. It's the very rare girl under 25 that has her own place -- although I have met a couple who had roommates that were willing to go into their own rooms and keep the door shut, LOL. And hotels of course have their own expenses and hassles.

So I have thought from time to time about looking for a cheap furnished apartment that I could use for entertaining. In my city, there are places that you can get at maybe $600/ month, so amortized over maybe 8 visits / month, not a bad cost. Looking for advice or suggestions from anyone who may have tried this. Worried about the usual things relating to anonymity, signing a lease, paying by check or credit card, repairs, insurance whatever.

Just curious if anyone has done this and how it worked out. As always, appreciate everyone'e help.[/QUOTE]I had a studio apartment fuck pad for 4 years where I met providers for outcalls and entertained my SBs.

I found the space by networking with providers asking how they arranged their incall location. Turns out they share our concerns: desire for second place, off the grid, no paper trail, no signed lease / credit check, etc.

I learned that many providers rented incall apartments owned by the same guy across several condo complexes. I believe the guy owned +/-15 condos. No formal contract, month to month, one month deposit, one month notice to vacate, cash only on the 1st. I was the only male he rented to and he jokingly said I was his favorite lessor because I was the only one "who never tried to pay the rent with a blowjob."

It was $800 per month all in. That included utilities, internet service, and a maid every two weeks. It was in a gated complex, had W / D in the unit, a reserved parking spot, and a kick ass pool. I found another monger in a similar position and split the rent. It was not a place to live but just to fuck / entertain. We scheduled with Google Calendar and rarely had time conflicts. Briefly had three of us sharing and that did start to have more time conflicts so two guys with SBs was sweet spot for a studio. Eventually got a steady SB who has her own place and let the condo go.

Hope that helps. Good luck and stay safe.

Okay I got crickets on the last one LOL.

Any info on this girl? Hannah?