[QUOTE=Nostra3;1872143]Where the hell do you hide 100 condoms?[/QUOTE]Couple of small boxes in my shop. Never find them!
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[QUOTE=Nostra3;1872143]Where the hell do you hide 100 condoms?[/QUOTE]Couple of small boxes in my shop. Never find them!
Move on. Every negotiation I have had that did not meet agreement quickly has been a problem relationship. Don; t even bother. There are plenty more!
[QUOTE=Nostra3; 1871730]Hello fellow adventurers! I've now been casually wading around in your well hunted waters for about a month. I've got one HCB firmly in the SB category and I really like her. She's cute and smart and incredibly normal. I'd give her straight 9s. Thank you all for this encyclopedia of how to get incredibly hot young pussy for next to nothing. This is the best thing ever.
I thought about just sticking to the one girl because she really is quite amazing in every way. Nando 6 maybe, but I don't dare call that out after only one of these relationships. But, long story short, I decided I want some other young pussy. Call me crazy.
So I was texting with this girl who is a student at Indiana U and I thought I'd ask the group how they would negotiate the following situation from here.
Me: So are you still looking to earn some extra money?
Her: Yes! I wondered why you didn't respond! .
Me: No apologies necessary! Let me know when you can be back in town for an evening so we can hang out.
Her: Well actually I don't mind driving up if you don't mind paying.
Me: How much seems fair to just get straight to business? No sense beating around the Bush!
Her: Gas, meeting half way would be great as well. A little something extra guaranteed for the trip though. Its a long way to drive for nothing, I'm sure you understand.
Me: Name what is fair to you. I want you to be all in.
Her: Well it depends on what we do.
Me: I want to fuck you. You are very pretty and very cool. And I want to fuck you.
Her: Mmmm. Well it's 900 for that.
Me: Well there is no way we are even going to get close to that.
Her: I'm sorry.
Me: That is what I am paying per month for a girl who is literally a fashion model. If you have someone doing that for you then hang on to him!
Me: I'm sorry too.
Me: If you change your mind and want a steady $1, 000 a month please don't lose my number!
Her: For how many meets?
Me: Once a week.
Her: That's only 250 a meet no way.
Me: That is what the prettiest girls are asking so I don't know what guys you have met? What arrangements have you had so far?
Her: You're extremely insulting. I'm gorgeous and if you're trying to say otherwise just to talk me down forget it. I really thought you were a nicer guy than that.
Her: And trying to lie and say you're new at this when you've clearly been at it for awhile.
Her: I would do 500 but seriously no less. 300 for no intimacy.
Me: I have met one person and that's it but I've talked to a lot. I'm not tying to insult you and I would never do so. That's not me.
Her: Well just for future reference, you're not going to get very far talking about how much prettier other women are. I've been offered 10, 000 a month when all I did was go to dinner with the guy. I'm really not joking. And the reason I said no was because he was extremely creepy nd made me feel like a piece of meat. And he investigated my personal life and it was freaking me out. So sorry 250 isn't even close and I'm worth a lot more.
Her: Especially when I'd have to drive to Indy all the time.
Me: Ok. I truly did not mean to offend you. I wasn't comparing your looks. I hope you don't have to hang out with some creeps! We are just not on the same page which is sad. Maybe someday we will be!
Her: I'll settle for 450 but this makes me pretty sad.
End.
So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1871857]I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.
Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.
Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!
Close to the red line,
Scott[/QUOTE]Listen to brother Scott. This was a failed engagement from the beginning. Couple of thoughts. Ease up on the approach. If this is a true amateur, which I doubt she was. When you say I want to fuck you to any type of woman that is normal and inexperienced she is going to be immediately be turned off.
So say she is still interested because she needs the money. She is now thinking you are a creep and if she has to deal with a creep then she is going to charge you for it. You have just increased your own starting price. I have had babies not charge me anything just because they like me and the chemistry is so high. I am doing one right now that I have never paid a cent and she is an awesome fuck.
Work more on your game. Read some of the stories in the thread there are some talented guys on this thread.
Be careful out there.
Revvo
[QUOTE=Nostra3;1872143]Where the hell do you hide 100 condoms?[/QUOTE]In a locked drawer at the office. I am sure you can find a place to hide things.
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1872142]This one takes the cake, first time a religoous zealot responded to an ad. Response to ad.
"The pictures you requested". GOD.
Seal of Jezebel The working girl. Israel Museum.
[url]http://www.formerthings.com/jezebel.htm[/url]
Fornicators. Video Ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah.
[url]http://isaiah666.com/sodom_gomorrah.htm[/url]
'Whoremongers and fornicators shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death' – Revelation 21.
'The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe the gospel. If you do not repent you will die in your sins' – Jesus.
"Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire'. Jude.
Wow.
Guess we are all doomed to the lake of fire, I hope Johnny Cash is there and they let me sit in on stand up bass.[/QUOTE]Loo. I bet you posted in the talent Gigs section. I just posted there and got some pretty funny, sometimes nasty, responses.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1871857]I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.
Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.
Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!
Close to the red line,
Scott[/QUOTE]A couple of more thoughts. The sugar bowl is a wonderful place to find true amateurs who want to fuck and are maybe just a little bit kinkier than the average woman. In addition you can engage in some really great discreet affairs with very attractive to beautiful young women. But it is work.
A lot of work. And frustration and failure. And not a little expense to learn the game. In fact I would say that if I was single and did not have to sneak around my ability to score with hot women in the normal world would be a lot easier. And a lot less expensive. Also If you just want to find a hot piece of ass to fuck for a reasonable price a good looking escort would be a lot easier, less time wasted and maybe even cheaper.
But the sugar bowl is an experience. And that experience is a few things, its the chance you take to go after a young beautiful woman, the chase to try to get her emotionally as well as sexually, the conquest of finally getting that hard inexperienced body for the first time. Its about the seduction, and the affinity you create for one another. I learned from another master (Hollywood) on this site to not negotiate. Once you start down that negotiation path about a woman and her body most of what I mentioned above is lost.
At that point she is feeling degraded and cheap and everything she has been taught her whole life is telling her that this is a bad thing.
Of course there are other women out there that don't care about any of these things. But what is the fun in that. At least for me I lose interest in those quickly.
So forget about the quick, cheap, unfulfilling fix and settle in for a total experience beyond anything you can imagine. Or not.
Be careful out there.
Revvo
I have been thinking about this lately. And I have been discussing this with a friend of mine also who is not in the bowl. And The discussion below really triggered me to write some comments about it. There is a whole lot of pussy out there waiting for someone to fuck them.
First my friend. He is 48 Years old, and retired from a civil servant job, OK income. Former alcoholic, overweight, on his third marriage but has a very charming personality. We talk about what I have been doing and what he is doing all of the time. He is currently fucking three different women in his neighborhood. Now he is a boob man so they all have large breasts. I have seen the pics. They are late 30's to mid 40's MILFs and are all attractive. One is very hot and is probably in love with him. When I say he fucks them what I really mean is he gets full on blow jobs with swallow from them on a regular basis. He rarely ever fucks them. I am amazed by this because I am sure they are all wanting to get fucked also.
But goes to show you the pussy is out there. And good quality women are out there waiting for someone to fuck them. He can literally pick up the phone and call them and tell them he wants to meet and they show up wherever he says and sucks his dick, draining him of all his juices. And then go back to their husbands as if nothing is wrong. Man isn't marriage a wonderful institution? But that is another subject.
Then there is me. This week I was scheduled to fuck 4 women, three babies and one very flaky POT. In addition I had two babies that texted me wanting to fuck them that I could not or would not get to. And one more I can call anytime but I just don't have the desire for her. I ended up plowing the three babies. And the flake? Well she flaked of course. This is not to brag. This is to make a point that another SD on this site made a long time ago. The pussy is out there a lot of it. Waiting for someone to fuck them! Like juicy peaches waiting to be plucked.
I would have never believed this a year ago. I would have thought maybe every once in a while you can find a nice looking woman that is in a weak moment and bam you get lucky. Luck has nothing to do with it. This is about work and having the ability to perceive this opportunity.
And I am not talking about skanks, or wh-s, or ugly women, or even UTRs (still not sure what that is). I am talking about quality women that are walking around every day wanting sex and not getting it. For example. My first ATF the only one I would really classify as a 10 or close to it. Had not been fucked for 4 years before I came along. She was so much fun. It was like going to Disney World. I did a very cute AA a couple of weeks ago that said I was her third man ever. I have another one that has only had five men her entire life and has not fucked in two years before me. She cried when we first had sex. (hopefully it wasn't from poor performance LOL). My little Brazillian princess gets to fuck me only about twice per month and does not want anyone else.
And the quality is very good. I never fuck anything below a 7. I'm sorry I can't even get hard for an ugly woman. I don't have 10's like some of the SD's on here but I hav e plenty of 8's and a few 9's. And more importantly they are all quality women. Meaning they are educated, careers, good neighborhoods, fun to be with, witty, sane, and very very willing to please me sexually any way they can.
Honestly what endeavor in this world can you get all of that for a nominal amount of money. And don't tell me your wife. I have done the math and I figure my wife costs me about 60 grand per year. The point is to understand the pussy is out there to be had and someone needs to fuck these women.
And every day how many more thousands of women join these sites looking for a man to fuck them and to treat them with a little respect, understanding, generosity and fun.
Lets pick that fruit. Put pick carefully and don't bruise them.
Revvo
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1872568]I have been thinking about this lately. And I have been discussing this with a friend of mine also who is not in the bowl. And The discussion below really triggered me to write some comments about it. There is a whole lot of pussy out there waiting for someone to fuck them.
Man isn't marriage a wonderful institution? But that is another subject.
Honestly what endeavor in this world can you get all of that for a nominal amount of money. And don't tell me your wife. I have done the math and I figure my wife costs me about 60 grand per year. The point is to understand the pussy is out there to be had and someone needs to fuck these women.
And every day how many more thousands of women join these sites looking for a man to fuck them and to treat them with a little respect, understanding, generosity and fun.
Lets pick that fruit. Put pick carefully and don't bruise them.
Revvo[/QUOTE]Hollywood has it right, don't get married and just cycle through multiple Babies.
Marriage costs a fortune to be in, even more to get out of one, and risky to pick the low hanging fruit like most of us are doing.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1872114]My friend, let me introduce to this place call Amazon dot com. I usually pick up up a 100 pack from them for less than $15. I only use the OKAMOTO brands. Super thin and fit really well. Hey, I am not lucky enough to carry a magnum around in my boxer like most of you guys. .
The only concern to ordering online is you just hope that your SO won't be the one opening up the package. Lucky for me, my SO never bothers with mails. Even if we have a few packages sitting right on the front door.
That's only 15 cents per rubber, a significant savings. The only time I ever picked up a rubber from the drug store is because I ran out and my order didn't come on time.
With some of you guys having multiple SBs in the rotation and meeting them 2-3 times a week, with multiple pops per meet. The math is on your side.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smokarz. I shop on THAT site all the time, but it never occurred to me to check condoms. They have the ultra thin ones which I've been wanting to try.
Revvo,
Your friend is living a good life. And how did he picked up these women's?
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1872604]Revvo,
Your friend is living a good life. And how did he picked up these women's?[/QUOTE]Good question brother smoke. First I must say he is bold, not afraid to talk shit with them without being creepy. Very fine line there. He is funny and he has charm. Women are excited by the boldness of his actions sometimes. If not he just moves on.
But another issue is the women. Read my post below. These are ripe fruit waiting to be picked. I venture to guess if you are talking to a woman that has been married over 10 years. You are probably talking to a woman that is either ripe or getting ripe.
The question is can you pick that fruit? You probably can. Just have to start slow. Feel them out with some humor. Then go for it be bold. Be that bad boy that dosent give a shit.
Thats the best I can tell you. I guess they call that having game.
Revvo
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1872611]Good question brother smoke. First I must say he is bold, not afraid to talk shit with them without being creepy. Very fine line there. He is funny and he has charm. Women are excited by the boldness of his actions sometimes. If not he just moves on.
The question is can you pick that fruit? You probably can. Just have to start slow. Feel them out with some humor. Then go for it be bold. Be that bad boy that dosent give a shit.
Thats the best I can tell you. I guess they call that having game.
Revvo[/QUOTE]Rev,
You have also put your finger on what it takes to be successful in the Bowl. I have often thought about the "persona" I put on when I am in SD mode, and how it is different from the Real Me. Maybe not totally different, but like Real Me on steroids.
My Sugar name is nothing close to my real name, but to me at least it has a little swagger to it, and consequently so do I when I am that person. Only three babies in my entire career thus far have known my real first name, and one of them preferred using my Sugar name, which is my middle name, as she said it was more suited to my personality.
You have inspired me with the story of your friend to see if I can bag my yoga teacher after all. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I am still thinking about that little spinner body, glistening with sweat, every curve and muscle revealed, tiny boobs with hard nips, sweet ass and an awesome camel toe. That unitard was so clingy I know she has a shaved pussy! Good lord! Plus she has these nerdy Buddy Holly-type glasses, which is a look I totally dig on a hot baby.
Wish me luck, gentlemen!
Scott
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1872568]I have been thinking about this lately. And I have been discussing this with a friend of mine also who is not in the bowl. And The discussion below really triggered me to write some comments about it. There is a whole lot of pussy out there waiting for someone to fuck them.
First my friend. He is 48 Years old, and retired from a civil servant job, OK income. Former alcoholic, overweight, on his third marriage but has a very charming personality. We talk about what I have been doing and what he is doing all of the time. He is currently fucking three different women in his neighborhood. Now he is a boob man so they all have large breasts. I have seen the pics. They are late 30's to mid 40's MILFs and are all attractive. One is very hot and is probably in love with him. When I say he fucks them what I really mean is he gets full on blow jobs with swallow from them on a regular basis. He rarely ever fucks them. I am amazed by this because I am sure they are all wanting to get fucked also.[/QUOTE]Your friend has one of those all important attributes when scoring in the bowl. Game. The sad reality is either you need that or looks. Unfortunately, I have neither. I'm not super ugly or have a terrible personality or anything, just am very "ordinary". Even SB's care about those things. So I have to be willing to lower my standards a bit, invest more time and dish out more sugar.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1872632]You have inspired me with the story of your friend to see if I can bag my yoga teacher after all. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I am still thinking about that little spinner body, glistening with sweat, every curve and muscle revealed, tiny boobs with hard nips, sweet ass and an awesome camel toe. That unitard was so clingy I know she has a shaved pussy! Good lord! Plus she has these nerdy Buddy Holly-type glasses, which is a look I totally dig on a hot baby.
Wish me luck, gentlemen!
Scott[/QUOTE]A few years ago I thought I was going to need to know Chinese for work. So I went and got a private tutor. A 40's in shape Chinese woman. She was married and a professor at a local college. After a few months I noticed we weren't getting that much work done and seemed to be just chatting.
I remember telling one of my SB's at the time about it. I am very clueless to real time flirting so I said to her "I think the Chinese teacher is flirting with me". She says "if you think she is flirting, then she definetely is, go for it".
I did, and we had a great time for 3 weeks. No sugar of course, even though I was technically paying her. But suffice it to say, when the affiar was over, so were the lessons.
Guys.
I feel this is mutual beneficial and should be a two way street. I met my SB for 3rd time at NY. We had 2 day week-end trip to mountains, very nice resort. But first day itself, we didn't get off well. I felt like she is a boss, she was controlling, on her own many times, not willing to be GFE! Well, I felt so odd. That I have to cut my trip to 1 day. One day, barely managed to have some fun but that is it. She is out of my list. And I am done. We had two good dates but third one is disaster.
Another 1, local. And we had 2 dates but felt again 1 sided. When SB pinged me, for date, I told her. How I felt. Ohh my. She started begging and will try to make it worthwhile next time. Let's see.
Now, I am at a point, we should have the advantage and decision making capabilities. If not. Sorry, BYA-BYE.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1872632]You have inspired me with the story of your friend to see if I can bag my yoga teacher after all. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I am still thinking about that little spinner body, glistening with sweat, every curve and muscle revealed, tiny boobs with hard nips, sweet ass and an awesome camel toe. That unitard was so clingy I know she has a shaved pussy! Good lord! Plus she has these nerdy Buddy Holly-type glasses, which is a look I totally dig on a hot baby.
Wish me luck, gentlemen!
Scott[/QUOTE]Let us know how it goes brother. Don't keep us in suspense. If you buried all deep in that pussy you will get a hearty cheer from me. If not a tip o the cap for going for it and living your life.
Kind of like the Dos Equis beer guy. LOL.
By the way my little spinner Venuzuelan baby wears glasses all the time even when I am fucking her. She has that naughty librarian look and it is so fucking hot.
Revvo
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1873365]By the way my little spinner Venuzuelan baby wears glasses all the time even when I am fucking her. She has that naughty librarian look and it is so fucking hot.
Revvo[/QUOTE]My newly-relocated ATF wore Warby Parkers a lot, and I would make her keep them on in bed as well! Is that a fetish, technically? I agree, totally hot!
Went to yoga this morning but the Asian teacher was not there. I'll call later and find out when her next class is. My thought is to move slowly, so I can back off at a moment's notice and nothing will appear too out of the ordinary, unless I get the all-clear sign from her. Just smiling at my crotch is not enough, is it?
Namaste,
Scott
Just thinking of a young yoga teacher is making my glutes and ab muscles sore. The flexibility she possesses could make for some interesting and mind numbing sex. My hats off to you, I just started going to the gym again and would not even consider this option until I lose 25 pounds and have more flexibility and a six pack again. However it was interesting to have two women take up positions on either side of me when I started on the recumbent machine. 3 months from now, I have a feeling some of them will be fun, energetic lays.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1873451]My newly-relocated ATF wore Warby Parkers a lot, and I would make her keep them on in bed as well! Is that a fetish, technically? I agree, totally hot!
Went to yoga this morning but the Asian teacher was not there. I'll call later and find out when her next class is. My thought is to move slowly, so I can back off at a moment's notice and nothing will appear too out of the ordinary, unless I get the all-clear sign from her. Just smiling at my crotch is not enough, is it?
Namaste,
Scott[/QUOTE]
Latest revision to ad has netted me 6 genuine replies this week. Two I tossed immediately as being below the 8 or 9's I like to work on. 2 more in the pipeline including a demure waify looking hippie chick with. Glasses!
This one is setup for a meet and greet later today.
Her response. Hi honey. I'm Ashley 24f. 5'2 115lbs. Blonde hair blue eyes. I live in downtown st pete. I'm very easy going and open minded. & I will always make you feel comfortable. I'm looking for work right now and sure could use some help. And in return I will rock your world. You just tell me what it is you like. Text meatXXX-XXXX.
This is a gem, her pics are hot, I rate her a solid 9. Hopefully I can get her to the FC, which in this case is her place. She claims to live alone in a nice gated apt community downtown. Wants help with her Electric Bill.
Wish me luck!
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger;1873473]Just thinking of a young yoga teacher is making my glutes and ab muscles sore. The flexibility she possesses could make for some interesting and mind numbing sex. My hats off to you, I just started going to the gym again and would not even consider this option until I lose 25 pounds and have more flexibility and a six pack again. However it was interesting to have two women take up positions on either side of me when I started on the recumbent machine. 3 months from now, I have a feeling some of them will be fun, energetic lays.[/QUOTE]Brothers,
I've been going to bikram yoga class, which is practiced in a 105 degree room, since February, and have lost 20 pounds, three pants sizes, and am in the best physical shape of my life! My core strength is awesome, which gives me a great deal of fucking leverage and stamina. My long-term babies have commented on it, which is inspiration enough to keep going.
I agree with you, Woody, if I can swing this yoga teacher, the sex is going to be off the charts. Apparently part of the philosophy of bikram is to get yourself in shape so you can have tons of sweaty sex! Some of the MILFS in my class could snap little Scottie in half, I'm sure.
I would recommend it to all of you. I mention it now in my profile text, and all the babies who contact me say how cool it is that I'm into yoga, since most of them are as well. Win / win, I'd say!
Scott
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1873480]Latest revision to ad has netted me 6 genuine replies this week. Two I tossed immediately as being below the 8 or 9's I like to work on. 2 more in the pipeline including a demure waify looking hippie chick with. Glasses!
This one is setup for a meet and greet later today.
Her response. Hi honey. I'm Ashley 24f. 5'2 115lbs. Blonde hair blue eyes. I live in downtown st pete. I'm very easy going and open minded. & I will always make you feel comfortable. I'm looking for work right now and sure could use some help. And in return I will rock your world. You just tell me what it is you like. Text meatXXX-XXXX.
This is a gem, her pics are hot, I rate her a solid 9. Hopefully I can get her to the FC, which in this case is her place. She claims to live alone in a nice gated apt community downtown. Wants help with her Electric Bill.
Wish me luck![/QUOTE]OK bud, you got to share with us your ads. I am in the Northeast, so I won't be fishing in your waters. Pm me if you prefer.
[url]http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/09/12/prostitution-sting-jim-bisenius-common-sense-hedge-fund/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058&?intcmp=latestnews[/url]
Does this guy ever heard of SA or SD4M? With the money he's got, he could bang 10 different SBs of the highest quality everyday. What a shame!
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1873480]Latest revision to ad has netted me 6 genuine replies this week. Two I tossed immediately as being below the 8 or 9's I like to work on. 2 more in the pipeline including a demure waify looking hippie chick with. Glasses!
This one is setup for a meet and greet later today.
Her response. Hi honey. I'm Ashley 24f. 5'2 115lbs. Blonde hair blue eyes. I live in downtown st pete. I'm very easy going and open minded. & I will always make you feel comfortable. I'm looking for work right now and sure could use some help. And in return I will rock your world. You just tell me what it is you like. Text meatXXX-XXXX.
This is a gem, her pics are hot, I rate her a solid 9. Hopefully I can get her to the FC, which in this case is her place. She claims to live alone in a nice gated apt community downtown. Wants help with her Electric Bill.
Wish me luck![/QUOTE]Getting her there should be a slam dunk based on her reply. It will all come down to the $$$. Did you already quote her upfront.
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1868510]After my incident below. I am considering a stealth vasectomy. I understand there is a no scalpel vasectomy that does not even leave an incision. It is very low impact and only leaves a small puncture. Plus a small shave area on the balls. Then there is a two week no sex period I believe.
I think I could get away with it. The only way I see to get caught is possibly if I get complications which are very low in probability.
Any thoughts?
Anyone ever go this route?
Successes or failures?[/QUOTE]You might want to try something like a fake urinary tract infections or if you ride bicycle an injury caused by the top bar might work really good.
[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1873480]Latest revision to ad has netted me 6 genuine replies this week. Two I tossed immediately as being below the 8 or 9's I like to work on. 2 more in the pipeline including a demure waify looking hippie chick with. Glasses!
This one is setup for a meet and greet later today.
Her response. Hi honey. I'm Ashley 24f. 5'2 115lbs. Blonde hair blue eyes. I live in downtown st pete. I'm very easy going and open minded. & I will always make you feel comfortable. I'm looking for work right now and sure could use some help. And in return I will rock your world. You just tell me what it is you like. Text meatXXX-XXXX.
This is a gem, her pics are hot, I rate her a solid 9. Hopefully I can get her to the FC, which in this case is her place. She claims to live alone in a nice gated apt community downtown. Wants help with her Electric Bill.
Wish me luck![/QUOTE]Dude tell us what happened. How did the M&G go? Was she nice looking in person? How much on the sugar?
How about some tips on your ad?
Revvo
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1871787]I agree that this is a lost cause, and nothing good will come of it. Move on to the next, Nostra. There will be many, many more in your future, and you need to accept that frustration and lost opportunities are part of the game. If you've read the Journal, you know that these babies often throw out a high number just to see what might happen, but it seems to me that your back-and-forth has degraded to the point of non-salvageable. Pull her profile up on your laptop and take care of things yourself, if you catch my drift. It will be waaay cheaper, and just as "personal".
Tigg, I never figured you for a fuck-and-duck kind of guy LOL! Were you just trying to suggest that he teach this baby a lesson?
Be proud,
Scott[/QUOTE]Oh, I'd never do it, but he said he just wanted to get into her pants. He did not seem to want a SB relationship or anything of that sorts. So if the goal is just to get GPS booty at reasonable rates, this might be a valuable option. So I wanted to give him an option of getting the goodies at the price he wants. It's not my thing, but who am I to judge others.
BT
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1872568]And every day how many more thousands of women join these sites looking for a man to fuck them and to treat them with a little respect, understanding, generosity and fun.
Lets pick that fruit. Put pick carefully and don't bruise them.
Revvo[/QUOTE]I wholeheartedly agree. I've been amazed at the quality of good women out here in the suga world. Now I will dip below the 8s and 9s every now and then but usually they turn out to be great in bed. This is why I didn't understand Nostra who just wants to get in the GPS pants, but "hey" to each his own. I've literally been trying to scale back because my life is busier and I have a hard time saying "no". I've always been only willing to go up to about $.5 per meeting, but in many cases. Once the chemistry is there and you are giving them multiple ogasms, the money becomes less of an issue.
-Update.
MsLilMama just loves to screw. Whether it's short or long, hotel or couch, she just loves it. We've had sex each time we've met. She has never asked for a dime and is very content with whatever I give. She texts often and if she had bigger boobs, I've give her 10 body. Here personality is so cool that I'm slowly (very slowly) moving away from others. She has her own place and I can come by any day. She's willing to take off work to hang out, willing to travel. Too good to be true in some cases. But she just wanted to be treated with respect, helped a little here and there and have some good sex.
Met a POT yesterday. Her pics showed her as curvy, but in person she had a lot of extra extra weight going on. Even she had a little GPS syndrome going on. I'm going to pass on that one.
I've been working on this other spinner in Virginia. She's 25 with a cute face. I was a little disappointed with how skinny she was, absolutely no butt at all. But she had these big boobs on such a small frame. We've yet to get to a hotel as the schedules have not allowed, but I was able to get some backseat time in last night. She let me lick all over the goodies and I think she even came once. She has a good look, but she hit me with the "I'm going to get you sucka" surprise. She had inserts for her boobs, big inserts. She is barely an A-cup. Now mind you, I sucked on them and licked that kitty until the juices flowed, but as I drove home I was really bothered. She's not asking for much either, just whatever I give. She's very chatty and I get oodles of credit for listening. I'm probably going to hit it once or twice and see if she's a good screw. I was just so disappointed, I was really looking forward to sucking on those big boobies. Ugh! I may keep her for emergency use. However MsLilMama is probably going to take most of my free time.
I have a 22 year old college-coed with a certified big booty. We are supposed to be meeting Sunday. I'm hanging out with MsLilMama, but she's on her period, so we'll have dinner and movie, then I'm debating if I'll take the other one to the hotel and end my evening with a bang. She's going to cost me $.5.
MsCoolSlim is still texting and emailing daily. I've got to get up to her next week one way or another. She closed her account and as pretty as she is, she gets plenty of attention. She's not had any in a long time, so I really need to close the deal. I'm the only SB opportunity she's allowing, so I feel like I need to leave her a lasting impression.
I'm supposed to have a meeting for a few hours with MsSuccessful on Monday night. This is a booty call request from her. She has the room and just wants me to stop by and work her over. What a deal! This will not require any funds from me.
Oops, I almost forgot. So an old SB of mine who I dumped because she was too much emotional baggage hit me up needing help. She asked if we could meet one more time for $$$.5. I was a little taken aback as the last time we talked, she was like we can meet as friends but no more sex involved. So I figured she must be in a big need. I responded and told her that for $$$.5 we'll have to meet at least 3 times. She agreed. I told her I'd let her know when I can meet the first time. She was a little bigger than I like, but she was very shapely and the sex was awesome. We'll see how it goes.
Finally had my meeting with the SB from SC that I've been chatting with for months. She's inexperienced and wanted to get out of her conservative lifestyle for once. So we met at the hotel. Since I knew she would be nervous, I had small gifts, but I had her bring, lingerie, high heels, slow dance music, massage oil and bath oil. On the way to meet her, I picked up some lingerie from one of those "adult toy stores". We had a good evening, I really spoiled her as much as possible. She had never been given oral before and that was probably my biggest motivation. OMG...she came in about 2 minutes the first time I started licking her...it was awesome. She's had only a few men so she didn't know she could have more than one orgasm. By the time the overnight date was done, she had 6 to 7 orgasms (oral twice, penetration 2 to 3 times and me fingering her once). She was soooo happy the next day, she raved and raved for at least 2 day. She had car problems and other issues on the way back, but didn't care. Unfortunately with her lack of experience I only took the compliments so much. But to see her having those orgams and hear her sounds of pleasure for me it was worth it. Funny thing is,, the sex itself wasn't all that good, but it was fun none the less. Total cost was supplies and gas $.5, I had a room anyway for my trip ( I upgraded to a jacuzzi room). She's a little bigger than I like, cute, big boobs and just a great personality. 8/6.5/9/2 (face/body/personality/skills).
BT
All in all this has been a pretty damn good week. Lots of activity. Less and less frenetic, less money spent and some really good quality fucking. Not everything I planned it would be but it never is brothers. LOL So lets run the numbers.
REVVO_ATF: Like I said on the last update I am kind of easing her out. For a couple of reasons. First she is hard to pin down because of her travel to NY. Second I have others that are exciting me quite a bit more. And finally she costs more than all of the others. She may be the prettiest of the bunch and she is my asian baby. But its 250 for sugar. 80 for hotel. 50 for lunch and other costs. That puts the cost at close to 400. Hell I have some babies that my total nut for three nuts (haha) is 150. That is another thing we usually only go for two times. Even though she is willing two nuts is all I am really interested in with her. She texted me this week and I did not hook up with her.
REVVO_POT1: Never responded back. She is off the list.
REVVO_POT3: She flaked a second time and I get what I deserve for trusting a flake. Usually when I have a flake I schedule a second backup piece of ass since I hate the hole in my schedule. This time I just ate crow and did not say anything. She has problems I believe. Once again in that normal range that wants to make the leap and even told me at one point that I am her love. But she cannot bring herself to do anything. She is off the list.
REVVO_SB1: This is my cute little blond Boston Baby. But not calling her she is on the back burner. I am sure eventually she will lose interest and will move on to someone else. But as of now she is a booty call baby that I really do not need since I have plenty of quality pussy to keep me busy for now.
REVVO_SB2: So this is my little Brazillian baby and we had a great time on Friday. She is a no sugar baby and now she is hosting. She lives in a nice gated apartment complex and is so so sexy. She has the most sensuous and sexy voice and demeanor. I could fuck her all day long. In fact she is so orgasmic when I was eating her pussy it was dripping wet and running down the crack of her ass to the sheets. She came repeatedly and hard. Begging me to fuck her. And I did. When they are this sexual it motivates me more and I did three nuts in the span of about three hours. Can't always do that but when the mind is in the right place it is awesome. She is also so loud and cums so hard shaking and quivering and staring into my eyes with that glazed over look. I left her asleep in her bed.
REVVO_SB3: So my little morrocan contacted me again. And wants to meet but I do not. And she tried to ask me for money but I said no. So she just said ok. She is there if I want her. But do not really.
REVVO_SB4: My little Columbian coconut contacted me to let me know she had a dream about me bending her over and fucking her with her ass up in the air and her face shoved into a pillow. It was a nice image. But I did not have the time to see her. She is a good booty call baby also.
REVVO_SB5: This is my little euro baby. Same story no contact and she is kind of drifting in the background. She is one of the highest quality but like my ATF she does interest me but not as much as my others. And she is more expensive. Also back burner. I am going to have to ease some of these out. She is so sweet, I hate to do it.
REVVO_SB6: So this is my little girl next door. This is the one that had the report of the loan for money. I did make the loan / gift and she was extremely grateful and mentioned several times that she would repay me this Monday with her paycheck. I told her that we could just do an extra visit and call it even. She even was worried about this as not being fair to me. I was really impressed. I must say I worried about this whole thing a lot at the beginning but now I must say. This has not been a problem so far. We had a visit after the loan and she even told me I did not need to give her anything but I did anyway. And the sex is getting better and better. We are getting closer and more intimate. She is very young 23YO so she is still learning to express herself sexually but she is getting more trusting more affectionate and more verbal. We fucked hard and often, she also came hard several times, and she told me my cock is amazing. Usually a good sign when they start to tell you how much they like your dick. This is looking like real ATF material here. I am giving her a 9/8/9/7 as my updated rating.
REVVO_SB7: My little Venezualan cheerleader. She warned me before I came over on Thursday that she was starting her period, very cool of her. But I said I would come over anyway and we could do other things. She happily agreed but then called to tell me she has a migraine that she gets sometimes during period. She missed two days of work because of it. But now we are scheduled for two visits next week. I can hardly wait. She is very very sexually aggressive and capable for a 25YO. I am giving her a 8/9/9/10 for my updated rating. I could realistically see SB6 and SB7 being my two regulars and not needing any others except for booty call purposes.
I have done the math and I could probably do both of these for about 1500 to 1800 in the month. Or put them on small allowances and get it even down lower. As you noticed there are no new POTs and most of these POTs are coming off the list. I have not been on the site for two weeks and my membership expired four weeks ago. And I do not feel the need to get on there. In addition the babies I do have are either back burner or being eased out. Things are looking so much better. I am spending less money and having so much more fun. I am in a good place and I have to look back on what I have accomplished sometimes to understand how far I have come. I did the numbers there were about 7 or eight babies I could have potentially fucked last week. So the availability is there. But really only three that I am interested in. Of course everything could change tomorrow in this crazy world we call the sugar bowl.
What about the rest of you guys? Where are the real SD's and their reports? Enough lurking give it up.
Be careful out there.
REVVO
So my SB, after hard work and persistence, is finally in school again and getting her life on track. When I picked her up after the first week she was such the college girl with her logo'ed sweatshirt and new backpack. Adorable, and most importantly, happier than I'd seen in a long time.
She continues to have a drive that's just off the charts, and I continue to be amazed at how into me she is. Surely she must be seeing a different guy than I do in the mirror.
She's also full of surprises. I recently had a weekend day unexpectedly to myself. It had started really, really badly, so even though I was getting some stuff done I was also wallowing a bit. On impulse I texted her to see if we could get together after her work, figuring maybe the break would cheer me up. I wasn't up for more than just some nice companionship, so I offered a low-key dinner and movie. I. E, a civvie date.
Apparently her idea of what one does at a movie is very different from mine.
We get there right on time, and thinking nothing of it, I chose an empty row with a few rows of space between us and some other people. I was shooting for enough discretion to be able to snuggle without it being PDA, especially given our age gap. It's an IMAX, so the steep slope and high-back seats provide some privacy.
We curl up to watch the movie, and not long afterwards her hand starts to roam. Sensual but innocuous at first, so I'm just enjoying the touching. She then starts to venture lower, then under, then some unbuckling and direct contact. Each step of the way is incremental enough that I'm not really putting up a fight, and so far it's all pretty discreet given the setting. But before I know it, she drops to the floor in front of me, gives the drawers a quick yank and starts going to town. At this point she has me thoroughly seduced, and the thrill is intoxicating. She has no intention of letting me off the hook, so she's got me pinned to the seat for at least twenty minutes while she brings me to the finish line.
On our way out she clues me in to the fact that while the rows provide some privacy, it wasn't enough to completely hide from the couple two rows back. While they weren't getting a peep show, apparently it was pretty clear what was going on. She found it amusing, though I'm glad I didn't find out until afterward. Not sure I would have had *that* much of a sense of adventure (!)
And you would never, ever guess that this sexual creature lurks below her sweet, innocent, slightly nerdy exterior. I *definitely* look at people in a new light now.
Thus the trips into the time machine continue-I have now officially been given a blow job in a movie theater. Something I would have given anything for when I was a teenager, and at this point in my life never thought I would experience. Just, wow.
This is for the newbies on SD4M that are curious about the UTR designation. These are all girls I have messaged at some point that were either UTR or Pro. I saw a few for $. Didn't see a few because they were $$ or more. All of them had a set amount to go straight to the FC. No real SB's in here. The top group are UTR. The bottom group are pros. Maybe from looking at these you can see an obvious pattern. Most are AA, because thats what I like. I could ad 20 more profiles but I think this is enough to get the point across.
UTR
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[QUOTE=BigTigger;1874303]I wholeheartedly agree. I've been amazed at the quality of good women out here in the suga world. Now I will dip below the 8s and 9s every now and then but usually they turn out to be great in bed. This is why I didn't understand Nostra who just wants to get in the GPS pants, but "hey" to each his own. I've literally been trying to scale back because my life is busier and I have a hard time saying "no". I've always been only willing to go up to about $.5 per meeting, but in many cases. Once the chemistry is there and you are giving them multiple ogasms, the money becomes less of an issue.[/QUOTE]I definitely understand where everyone is coming from. I do want an SD / SB relationship and I actually consider a transactional only relationship to be not what I am looking for. However, I guess what I was saying was that at point where we were in the conversation I had decided this was not going to be anything more than a one time bang so I just was trying to figure out how to get said bang. I let my desire for very hot and young overshadow my real target. So, thank you to everyone for the great advice. I took it and I am currently working on a few new POTs and I hope to be able to contribute to the conversation going forward!
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1875666]This is for the newbies on SD4M that are curious about the UTR designation. These are all girls I have messaged at some point that were either UTR or Pro. I saw a few for $. Didn't see a few because they were $$ or more. All of them had a set amount to go straight to the FC. No real SB's in here. The top group are UTR. The bottom group are pros. Maybe from looking at these you can see an obvious pattern. Most are AA, because thats what I like. I could ad 20 more profiles but I think this is enough to get the point across.
UTR.
Excellent point Hollywood. Common threads are 3, at least for SDFM. 1) SD age desired is (any) 0 to 90; 2) Total access member; and 3) have 9 pics available to see.
SA is harder to guess but they are usually on the site for years. Naifs frequently delete their profile after 6 to 12 months. If the girls are constantly on there and checking the site everyday they are usually lining up a string.
So after almost a year of chasing a sweet young girl's tails, I am finally close to my destination.
Been txting with this 18yr little spinner, and our date is set for tomorrow at the FC. So, she looks extremely low maintenance for now. All it will cost me tomorrow is the room, and $40 for her cab fares to get to / from the room.
She only needed some new shoes and have her hair done once a month. And may be few dollars here and there (her words). Not sure how that 'few dollars' will turn out, and I made it clear to her that if she constantly bugs me every week with 'requests', then this is over before she knows it, and she promised she's not that type of girl. But she likes to shop at Forever 21 for clothes, and Walmart for makeups. This is the first time ever, I've talk a girl that like to shop at those places instead of Nordstrom, Armani Exchange, etc.
I'll post update after tomorrow. So far, everything seems locked for the 'date', but you never really know until you've bagged it.
[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1875663]S.
Thus the trips into the time machine continue-I have now officially been given a blow job in a movie theater[/QUOTE]Brother, you just enjoyed the best movie in your life. .
This truly bring back memories.
Hi everyone! I posted a fair amount about my SB experiences back in the spring of 2012. I got busy and stopped for a while, then I had an industrious POT ferret out my membership on this board. Boy was THAT a stupendously stupid leak in security. I'm not married (at least anymore, LOL) so it didn't matter to me from a blackmail or spouse or SO finding out, but still made me feel uncomfortable posting after that. I'm sure she's not still checking up on me, so I've decided to jump back into the fray and Jackson was good enough to allow for a change in name to give me a "fresh" start. To those that have been on the board for awhile you may remember me as the first 3 letters of a large city in GA combined with what Ringo was for the Beatles. Here's the Reader's Digest version of how I started in this world:
Boy meets girl.
Boy marries girl.
Sex stops.
Boy meets escorts.
Boy decides to find SB.
Boy meets escort that turns into SB.
Boy and SB happy for a year.
Wife finds out.
Wife divorces boy.
SB dumps boy.
Boy turns to SA and SDFM.
That was 20 months ago. Since then I've been on a wild ride in this world of ours and have experienced joy and frustration and the highest highs and the lowest lows. I've met some incredible women one of which has turned into a close friend and I've met some of the best actresses and scam artists you could imagine. I found this board early on in my journey and read every post from the beginning and have continued reading every post up until now. The depth and breadth of experience on this thread amazes me. It's helped so much along the way and I hope to add to it again.
That's it for now. I'll give my current status of babies and relate some harrowing tales in my upcoming posts.
It's good to be back,
Travelin
[QUOTE=FredMoore;1876071]. If the girls are constantly on there and checking the site everyday they are usually lining up a string.[/QUOTE]LOL. I just recently decided to send a msg to POT that I've contacted 8-10 months ago on SD4M, and I was a little shock how fast these girls got to the UTR / Pro line.
When I first contacted her, she was still fresh on the site, I offer $ a date and she was more than thrilled and keep asking me when I could come see her. It never happened, because I simply didn't have the time to travel to her.
Well, out of the blue and I guess being bored on a Friday afternoon I've decuded to send her a msg seeing she was online at the time. We made some small talks, and then I offered her 500-600 a month, and guess what she responded with?"I can see you once a month for that". LMAO.
She claimed she had guys giving her 1500 a month, and all on a lump sum. Obviously, I called it BS, but just the mentality surprised me quite a bit. Just like a SW, these girls hardened up real quick and picked up the GPS even quicker, if they're in the game long enough. The reality is, like many of you guys already have said. The key is to hit these girls up and bagged them as soon as they hit the bowl.
I had a good laugh, and wish her luck.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1876126]Brother, you just enjoyed the best movie in your life. .
This truly bring back memories.[/QUOTE]Movie? What movie?
[QUOTE=Walruscl;1876140]Movie? What movie?[/QUOTE]LMAO. Exactly
[QUOTE=TravelinSD;1876132]Hi everyone! I posted a fair amount about my SB experiences back in the spring of 2012. I got busy and stopped for a while, then I had an industrious POT ferret out my membership on this board. Boy was THAT a stupendously stupid leak in security. I'm not married (at least anymore, LOL) so it didn't matter to me from a blackmail or spouse or SO finding out, but still made me feel uncomfortable posting after that.[/QUOTE]Hey there Brother Travelin,
Just out of curiosity, how did that baby find out your name on the board, and what did she do when confronting you? I've made some near-slips myself with babies when talking about the Bowl, and if she or I have friends who know about our activities, and would love to know how close to the edge I can get without screwing up.
Eager to hear your tales, and sorry about the divorce.
Scott
Thanks for the welcome back Scottie! It's totally stupid and embarrassing. My user name on here was a derivative of my play email address which we communicated with. She simply dug far enough in Google to find my posts here. When I met her I was in my "everything up front" phase in initial meetings. I would pretty much lay out all that I had done. I kind of used it as a litmus test to see if a potential SB could handle it. She could and was open enough to tell me she already pretty much knew everything from my posts on here. She's amazingly beautiful and very sharp and intelligent. It turned out to be a pretty interesting relationship which I believe has just recently faded. I'll cover her when I post my recent and current exploits. Bottom line here is "Be careful in your naming practices!"
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1876324]Hey there Brother Travelin,
Just out of curiosity, how did that baby find out your name on the board, and what did she do when confronting you? I've made some near-slips myself with babies when talking about the Bowl, and if she or I have friends who know about our activities, and would love to know how close to the edge I can get without screwing up.
Eager to hear your tales, and sorry about the divorce.
Scott[/QUOTE]