Agency Discussion and Reviews

[QUOTE=JavBB;6694096]Thanks man! Appreciate it. Yes I can't even see BO and APC websites at all. Maybe I should look up other sites and just hope.[/QUOTE]I have the contact information of a girl who used to work in APC. When I chatted with her about 10 days ago, she told me that she was in a new city (about an hour and a half drive) and gave me a new website. I don't know if it has anything to do with BO or APC, but their organizations are very similar (including website templates). I went there last Saturday and met a girl there. Everything was very familiar. Nice apart and nice girl. For me it would be a new choice for my weekend activities.

I think BO or APC may not come back in the short term. Many girls said they don't like the DMV and business is not good here. They seem to prefer New York or the West Coast.

If you need the new website, just pm me.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6694142]I have the contact information of a girl who used to work in APC. When I chatted with her about 10 days ago, she told me that she was in a new city (about an hour and a half drive) and gave me a new website. I don't know if it has anything to do with BO or APC, but their organizations are very similar (including website templates). I went there last Saturday and met a girl there. Everything was very familiar. Nice apart and nice girl. For me it would be a new choice for my weekend activities.

I think BO or APC may not come back in the short term. Many girls said they don't like the DMV and business is not good here. They seem to prefer New York or the West Coast.

If you need the new website, just pm me.[/QUOTE]I sent you pm.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6694097]DS did not accept new customers.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt AG, DS, and CP will take any new clients in right now till every thing settle down or don't really need new clients. If you not verify with them best to find independent or go to amp.

BTT bull shit will fail, indeed they are failing. What they did was nothing but a political circus show. Unless they close all the largest, most proficient and heavily trafficked websites as OnlyFan that peddle independents and "enterprise" based escorts and other adult entertainers equally, just like what Trump did in the early stage of his administration, it's just "fuck them!" A simple enlightening question would be, why only BTT? Why not Taiwanese or Columbian or Brazilian or Russian or the Appalachian Hillbilly or Black agencies?? Yet still, just fuck BTT, who cares?

[QUOTE=EastWestKpop;6694092]With all BTT news and things, not bothering you?[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know if Daphne from DS provide CIM? Been wanting to see her in her past visits, but did not have the opportunity.

[QUOTE=LoveDemAzn;6695083]I highly doubt AG, DS, and CP will take any new clients in right now till every thing settle down or don't really need new clients. If you not verify with them best to find independent or go to amp.[/QUOTE]Yeah, they did not accept new clients for around 1 year, maybe longer, cause I contacted them this Feb and they did not reply since that time.

Anyone see Barbie Love from Jennifers yet? Saw reviews of her on TER and 9/8 for all her reviews. Very tempting.

Yes indeed she does. The only girl at DS that does not provide CIM was Lynn.

[QUOTE=Rakra;6695631]Does anyone know if Daphne from DS provide CIM? Been wanting to see her in her past visits, but did not have the opportunity.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rakra;6695631]Does anyone know if Daphne from DS provide CIM? Been wanting to see her in her past visits, but did not have the opportunity.[/QUOTE]I think she was down for it but I didn't partake. I would guess yes.

[QUOTE=Rakra;6695631]Does anyone know if Daphne from DS provide CIM? Been wanting to see her in her past visits, but did not have the opportunity.[/QUOTE]Yes - 100%.

[QUOTE=Rojo85;6696069]Yes indeed she does. The only girl at DS that does not provide CIM was Lynn.[/QUOTE]And Ara.

Seems the hotter the girl the more limited the services.

[QUOTE=SaintPolycarp;6695572]BTT bull shit will fail, indeed they are failing. What they did was nothing but a political circus show. Unless they close all the largest, most proficient and heavily trafficked websites as OnlyFan that peddle independents and "enterprise" based escorts and other adult entertainers equally, just like what Trump did in the early stage of his administration, it's just "fuck them!" A simple enlightening question would be, why only BTT? Why not Taiwanese or Columbian or Brazilian or Russian or the Appalachian Hillbilly or Black agencies?? Yet still, just fuck BTT, who cares?[/QUOTE]The simple answer would be because they had a Korean informant (the CS mentioned in the affidavit).

[QUOTE=SaintPolycarp;6695572]BTT bull shit will fail, indeed they are failing. What they did was nothing but a political circus show. Unless they close all the largest, most proficient and heavily trafficked websites as OnlyFan that peddle independents and "enterprise" based escorts and other adult entertainers equally, just like what Trump did in the early stage of his administration, it's just "fuck them!" A simple enlightening question would be, why only BTT? Why not Taiwanese or Columbian or Brazilian or Russian or the Appalachian Hillbilly or Black agencies?? Yet still, just fuck BTT, who cares?[/QUOTE]Plus the 3 idiots were depositing large amounts of cash into their personal bank accounts and buying large money orders. Pretty easy targets. And yes, still staying low.

Perhaps Zelle transfers are safer, do you think? LOL. No fucking chance. All of them in this mundane field have been using their personal bank accounts, buying large money orders, investing into liquid assets and real estates, some even own the interstate real estate investment businesses. As I've been saying, fuck them all.

[QUOTE=JacobsPatrick;6696177]Plus the 3 idiots were depositing large amounts of cash into their personal bank accounts and buying large money orders. Pretty easy targets. And yes, still staying low.[/QUOTE]

How was the shop there? I'm thinking of maybe using it or happytogether if they accept new customers.

Agreed, beside from service Ara is very hot.

[QUOTE=LocalCustomer;6696161]And Ara.

Seems the hotter the girl the more limited the services.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveDemAzn;6695083]I highly doubt AG, DS, and CP will take any new clients in right now till every thing settle down or don't really need new clients. If you not verify with them best to find independent or go to amp.[/QUOTE]Agree 4 agencies disappeared in the same week. Combine it with the holidays and fewer touring girls. I don't see them taking new clients until they need to fill schedules.

[QUOTE=Xonms;6696441]How was the shop there? I'm thinking of maybe using it or happytogether if they accept new customers.[/QUOTE]Edit okay k10pro their not in dc area. Please ignore my post.

[QUOTE=Xonms;6696807]Edit okay k10pro their not in dc area. Please ignore my post.[/QUOTE]Looks like they're based in northern NJ. Decent reviews on the big review site.

[URL]https://www.k10pro.net[/URL]

[QUOTE=SaintPolycarp;6696258]Perhaps Zelle transfers are safer, do you think? LOL. No fucking chance. All of them in this mundane field have been using their personal bank accounts, buying large money orders, investing into liquid assets and real estates, some even own the interstate real estate investment businesses. As I've been saying, fuck them all.[/QUOTE]I wonder if the 3 idiots will flip to bring down MORE? I also wonder if anyone is still sending in their DL. Ect to be cleared?

[QUOTE=KillAk;6693005]Saw Cleo in NOVA and Vegas. Great IOP. Speaks English very well. I see her doing well if she were to go indie.

Never could get through with Josephine's booker. Her reviews are killer. Looks like she's on hiatus now. Saw Lixa before she went indie and changed her name to Camille. Pretty enough for a k-girl but not worth the insane prices she charges now.[/QUOTE]More power to them, but I try to avoid the so-called indies that use agency networks. The main difference between them and the usual "contractors" is the upcharge. Sure, they might repackage the goods to look a little classier, but mongers should stand firm (no pun intended) and think with their other head to keep the cash grabs in check.

[QUOTE=SaintPolycarp;6695572]BTT bull shit will fail, indeed they are failing. What they did was nothing but a political circus show. Unless they close all the largest, most proficient and heavily trafficked websites as OnlyFan that peddle independents and "enterprise" based escorts and other adult entertainers equally, just like what Trump did in the early stage of his administration, it's just "fuck them!" A simple enlightening question would be, why only BTT? Why not Taiwanese or Columbian or Brazilian or Russian or the Appalachian Hillbilly or Black agencies?? Yet still, just fuck BTT, who cares?[/QUOTE]IMHO, the three defendants in the VA-MA "trafficking" case are royally screwed, no ifs, ands, or buts. The amount of evidence unveiled to this point is overwhelming, and the feds almost certainly have more in reserve. In fact, I doubt it will come to trial because a competent defense lawyer will likely try to reach a plea deal. From that point of view LE will surely count this as a win.

But the world's oldest profession is nothing if not resilient. This isn't the first bust of this kind, and it won't be the last. Providers and mongers will adapt and move forward, as they always have. In that sense, LE has failed and will continue to fail because consensual adults are not going to stop participating in the hobby. For every agency, individual provider, or monger, who drops out of the game, others will take their place. Sex and money are powerful incentives and LE has never been able to do more than scratch the surface.

As for why this particular agency was targeted, who knows? Maybe some info fell into LE's lap and they just ran with it? But, just like getting a traffic ticket when there are others who were going as fast or faster than you, it doesn't work to say "What about the other guy?" as a protest.

The bigger question, for me, is to what extent mongers are going to resist agency demands for their PII. It's my guess that, unfortunately, too many will continue to think with the small head. Which means that it's only a matter of time before we see a similar situation unfold.

I be look for any new info about east Va busts. Lo behold, I sees a newscaster gal stand front of that place in Mossaic that APC work out that had fob elevator shit.

Was APC and BEG at same place?

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;6697989]The bigger question, for me, is to what extent mongers are going to resist agency demands for their PII. It's my guess that, unfortunately, too many will continue to think with the small head. Which means that it's only a matter of time before we see a similar situation unfold.[/QUOTE]It's always the same complaint about PII, but it's just not realistic to keep complaining about this. The only way to get rid of the requirement for PII is to legalize the industry. Nothing less will suffice because every agency has to protect itself, as well.

I agree that people need to be smart about what PII to give and where you can fake information, but telling people that we can change the industry (or even stop busts) by not giving PII is not realistic or helpful. The busts will happen regardless of PII given or not. This is not a question of thinking with the small head, rather it is about coming to terms with the risk you are willing to live with. If you don't have the skills to buy / photoshop a fake license, spoof an email, or create a fake Linkedin (or pay someone on Fiverr to these things), maybe consider spending some time to learn that first. If you're afraid of the police knocking on your door to out you, then just do what a million other horny guys do and hit up tinder or the bar to find some legal release.

[QUOTE=NightHawk1967;6698712]I be look for any new info about east Va busts. Lo behold, I sees a newscaster gal stand front of that place in Mossaic that APC work out that had fob elevator shit.

Was APC and BEG at same place?[/QUOTE]They were I saw the address on the document.

I do hope things cool down next year and NOVA becomes a hotbed for sexy ladies again.

[QUOTE=Xonms;6699173]They were I saw the address on the document.[/QUOTE]Shit. There be busts and talks about busts on that block forever. I wonders if I be on some kind of FBI cam? I return to covid mask disguise now.

[QUOTE=Derilious89;6699006]It's always the same complaint about PII, but it's just not realistic to keep complaining about this. The only way to get rid of the requirement for PII is to legalize the industry. Nothing less will suffice because every agency has to protect itself, as well.

I agree that people need to be smart about what PII to give and where you can fake information, but telling people that we can change the industry (or even stop busts) by not giving PII is not realistic or helpful. The busts will happen regardless of PII given or not. This is not a question of thinking with the small head, rather it is about coming to terms with the risk you are willing to live with. If you don't have the skills to buy / photoshop a fake license, spoof an email, or create a fake Linkedin (or pay someone on Fiverr to these things), maybe consider spending some time to learn that first. If you're afraid of the police knocking on your door to out you, then just do what a million other horny guys do and hit up tinder or the bar to find some legal release.[/QUOTE]Agencies didn't always require the level of PII that most now ask for. There are other options, such as references from established providers, or the use of vetting systems based in jurisdictions (like ch or nl domains) that place the info beyond the reach of US authorities. And I'm sure imaginative forum members could come up with even more creative ideas. Accepting the status quo, as though there's no alternative, is a rather limiting way of looking at the issue. I would argue that agencies do it simply because they can, because they have enough demand from clients who hope their PII will never be compromised.

With respect to your statement that legalization is the only solution, I would push back on three fronts: 1) Legalization ain't happening in the US anytime soon, if ever, so that's a pseudo-solution with no path to actualization. 2) The ubiquitous agency requirement for PII is a relatively new development (last 5-10 years?) and pre-PII agencies found ways to protect themselves and their providers. 3) There are plenty of independents who don't require PII, which demonstrates that the hobby can function perfectly well with anonymity for both sides.

You've obviously found a workaround that's effective for you, congrats! But, if you think about it, your solution arguably works because your fake info is mixed in with a lot of real PII. If all (or most) clients used fake info, at some point it's reasonable to assume that agencies would figure that out and adapt. So I would argue that such a tactic only works when it's used by a (small?) minority of the client population and isn't viable as a widespread solution.

As far as discussions about PII are concerned, I think they're quite helpful. Consider that this current one has presented forum members with plenty of food for thought. Some might follow your lead and create an effective mongering alter ego. Others might reconsider their hobby preferences and start seeking out independent providers. Also, on that last point, I would argue that your PII is more safe in the hands of an established and well-reviewed provider than it is with an agency. And that's simply because an agency is continually at risk of becoming a target of local or fed "anti-trafficking" efforts, while indies are less so.

I have no illusions about changing the industry. It took years for the PII issue to evolve into its current form, and only a demand-supply shift can move that needle. And I have no illusions about the effect of PII on agency busts. In fact, "This isn't the first bust of this kind, and it won't be the last" is a direct quote from my earlier post to which you responded. Agency busts happened in the pre-PII era, just as they happen now, so the PII factor is irrelevant (for agencies, but not affected clients). And I have no illusions about the prevalence of small-head thinking. Consider the fact that the current epidemic of "deposit scams" is almost certainly the result of enough small-head mongers who thought they could score a session with a Playboy-quality provider. Small-headism has always been the cause of most hobby-related negative outcomes, and that's unlikely to change.

The value of this forum, and discussions like these, is to raise points that others may not previously have considered. And the overarching value of forum discussions is to hopefully learn from the experiences of others, both good and bad. As always, it's incumbent on every monger to inform himself and decide for himself.

[QUOTE=Xonms;6699173]They were I saw the address on the document.[/QUOTE]Fuck, no wonder AP and BO closed down. I was wondering why they hadn't come back yet. Shit, they had some nice J and C girls too.

[QUOTE=LuckyLuciano00;6699892]Fuck, no wonder AP and BO closed down. I was wondering why they hadn't come back yet. Shit, they had some nice J and C girls too.[/QUOTE]Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6700027]Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.[/QUOTE]Tried to PM you but it seems like ure inbox is full. So I guess I must be in the back of that line of people asking you for the link. Was familiar with blue ocean since the days of moon palace, and would love if you could DM me the link or something.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6700027]Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.[/QUOTE]I tried to send PM but your inbox is full. I'm an old customer. Do you mind sending me the link? Thank you.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6700027]Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.[/QUOTE]Echoing Tomk2323. Old customer of BO and messaged you.

[QUOTE=Tomk2323;6700487]I tried to send PM but your inbox is full. I'm an old customer. Do you mind sending me the link? Thank you.[/QUOTE]I have cleared my inbox, you can send me a PM.

Anyone going to try the new girl coming in on Happytogether? I won't be off until a few more days so if anybody already had a taste I'd like to know how it was.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6700027]Just got some info from J-orgs today, booker gave me a new website, but also the booker told me that they want to stay silent and don't want to receive too much attention, so if you are an old customer of these J orgs, you can send me a PM and I will share the info with you.[/QUOTE]I pm you I hope you received it.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6700568]I have cleared my inbox, you can send me a PM.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Sent.

[QUOTE=FoxIndc;6700568]I have cleared my inbox, you can send me a PM.[/QUOTE]I sent you a PM. I used to hit up MP (APC).

[QUOTE=Itfcd;6690389]For those of you not arguing about dumb bullshit that doesn't belong in this thread (or probably anywhere else for that matter), it looks like Alice from MP and Tomomi's group, who then went independent, is going to be working with Tyson Girls, of all places. If you have a login with them, you can see more for yourselves. Not sure if I'm going to book with her or not, but she's supposed to be around for 2 weeks once she's here.

You can find reviews of her here from summer 2022.[/QUOTE]Is Alice still with Tysons Girls? I thought I saw her under the name Ami but now she isn't listed on there.

[QUOTE=SnowBlind95;6700945]Is Alice still with Tysons Girls? I thought I saw her under the name Ami but now she isn't listed on there.[/QUOTE]If you have a login to their website and know how their pages work, you can type your way directly to the page they have for her, because it's still up. It is a little weird it isn't being linked publicly, unless A) she didn't show or B) they're being cautious given recent events, or maybe even C) she's just had a lot of interest since an Asian is very rare for them. I'd lean towards the first option. I wasn't planning on booking with her, so maybe just text and ask.