"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1456269]I think there's plenty of space on here to share experiences and talk about the sugar world that we enjoy. You and I are clearly on opposite ends of the spectrum so we will disagree on experiences, tactics, and information being shared. That's just how it's going to be. I'm not going anywhere, nor will my writing change. I've received a number of encouraging PMs since your post so clearly some of the guys like my writing. Deal with it.

Mandy[/QUOTE]Agreed!

Literal, you are indeed correct that the other 1/2 of this arrangement indeed operates on a conscious plane that is far removed from what the male recognizes as "reality". However vise versa is also true.

I welcome Mandy's insights into the opposite sex and other side of this equation. As I have long since given up hope of understanding it on my own. Any help is always welcomed.

Changing topics for a bit but I HAVE NEWS! I cannot elaborate on it because.

A) I do not have much time right now, and.

B) The weekend has just begun and is HARDLY over yet.

I will just leave you with a tidbit that something came up yesterday COMPLETELY out of left field and I am very very happy about it. I am now a full fledged member of the SD community, and it wound up being fulfilling in every way even (surprisingly) on a non-sexual level. What a rush. I will compose a play by play at a later day.

Stay safe everyone, and be nice.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1455830]This is what I mean by the female point of view. I love women, but imagine listening to this all night.

Mandy, I don't mean to be cruel. I'll bet you are fantastic in every way and obviously very smart. You are for sure going to be a big success in life. But Sweetie, this is a forum for men who want to have sex with women. We aren't into shoes that much. You and your girlfriends are welcome to read all our comments and go ahead and post if you want to, but you are from Venus and we are from Mars.[/QUOTE]Mandy,

I don't know what's up with the haters! Maybe they have pussy envy? You got it and they don't. Just because they are a plank owner does not mean they have a right to determine who becomes a member of the crew. Nor do they get to evaluate the value of the crew members contribution.

Girl, you be rollin large up in dis bytch. I for one have been inspired by your story. It represents a look into what is socially possible. It represents an expansion of the narrow social views so many posess. Not everyone wants to roll caveman style. Ignore the knukle dragers in the fourm. Some of us don't mind cleaning up and becoming more civilized.

Money is a blunt instument. If that's all they got, then they gots to roll with it. But some us got game! It is another form of currency. Social interaction is a part of ALL human interactions. Having knowledge and insight into the female psyche is important. It helps me get an all access pass into her orifices and that constitutes valuable information. So, if being thoughtful increases my chances of high quality semen release, by all means tell me about the shoes!

It's intel that allows the Cmdr to properly target my WPAD. Lt. Cmdr Mandy you are one of my best intelligence officers. I welcome and appreciate your reports.

The haters better recognize when the Big Brain girl is In the house. Cause if you step to her wrong you going to get the intellectual WWF beat down of your life. I am going to be on my feet, ringside, cheering her on. Holla!

SubCmdr out

[QUOTE=Chiguy606;1456312]I am now a full fledged member of the SD community, and it wound up being fulfilling in every way even (surprisingly) on a non-sexual level.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you are going to have a fantastic holiday weekend ande can't wait to hear all about it! Go enjoy your new fun world of being an SD!

Mandy

I am going to bring to the floor a proposition to make a new sub group " the cheapest way to get sex pretending to care / be a sugar daddy or bag them and tag them cheaply"

I have had sugar babies who just wanted the experience, they wanted an exposure to. How can I have sex for longer than the 6 seconds, I am used to of the college boys. Does that make me cheap. Not in my eyes, I paid in "educating her to to make it last like the energizer bunny"

So lets stop bitching, if you feel you can prove your manhood, by sharing how cheap you can get away, go ahead.

If I wanted cheap I always flew in an east european for a week or month, on a coach ticket.

Just my 2 Euro cents

Somehow I just happened upon this section of the site. I am upset it took me this long to look deeper. Looks like this may be the way to go to get some good ones who haven't taken 1000 different cocks this year! This also seems a much safer way to get what we want with a lower (somewhat) risk of red bumps on the cock.

I think I am going to go into this field rather than the old tried and true way. Can some charitable folks give a list of the best sites for this area? Are there any free ones for sds? I read a few pages and spent a good amount of time and haven't seen too many specifics besides seekinga.com being a good one. I feel like reading the 100 plus pages tonight as this seems an exciting new opportunity and lots of interesting stories. But alas, it's almost daylight out. Any kind fellows with success in this field willing to share some good tips or stories? Feel free to pm me. I'll be dreaming of the plans to start on here, and it probably won't be the dry kind!

Well, well. I must say I'm not surprised that when a girl comes into the room the boys start to argue about her.

I'm on the road and don't really have time to deal with this right now but I'll give you a few comments to chew on.

Yes, I saw the thread has changed from when I started it and I would rather see it resume its former course. I like "random fuck stories" if you will.

To my mind, a lot of the new discussions have taken on a frilly, girly, romance-advisory tone more appropriate for a sugarbaby's blog than a mens' sex forum.

As I've said before, I don't need or want to be king of the board or barn boss. I would however like to have a place to discuss random fuck stories about sugarbabes plus other fun and vulgar aspects of male-female relationships that arise in the non-pro or semi-pro context. I prefer not to have to deal with a female's comentary in these discussions, just like I prefer not to play poker or play basketball with females.

So maybe somebody should go talk start a new thread if they are unhappy. I'm unlikely to stop saying things she doesn't like. Why not start "Mandy's Thread" and you fellas can all go have these love-lorn and sensitive discussions over there. I'm not trying to kick you off my thread. Keep chatting as much as you like.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1456802]I'm unlikely to stop saying things she doesn't like.[/QUOTE]To start with, the only thing you said that I didn't like was the obvious personal attack at me. While I'll openly admit I think your tactics are those of a cheap jerk and not of a true SD, its what you and others like and that's just fine with me. I may disagree when your tone comes across as "this is the only way" and will jump in and say as much, but I'm just trying to present the full range of this world.

Your descriptive stories and vulgar comments don't bother me in the least. Given my stent as a sub, bi experiences, the time I've played in the swing world and everything else I've enjoyed sexually, I promise you can't possibly offend me. The only thing I've done here is try to help the guys who want to enjoy a longer-term situation get that. And, I'm perfectly fine with the fact that arrangement isn't for everyone. Maybe you should open up your narrow mind and realize there are a variety of opinions and experiences and they are all valid here.

I would like to point out that the tone of the thread changed well before I got here. There were a number of guys involved with or seeking an ATF when I first read through the pages. And, I was actually very hesitant about posting but was encouraged to do so and have been thanked by many guys for the advice I've given. That's why so many guys jumped in to defend me. It wasn't because I'm a "girl" but rather because my advice has helped them get what they were looking for. I'm sure if you had attacked Scott or Nando for their "romantic" tones, you would have gotten the same response from the group.

Again, you need to deal with the fact that the tone of the community has changed to be an all inclusive one and stop the personal attack at me. There doesn't need to be a "Mandy thread" just tolerance for what everyone has to share. Post and say what you want, I haven't shared this group with my SB friends. That was a promise I made when the guys invited me to post. So it's not like there are a ton of girls here reading this stuff. It's just me and if you'd gotten to know me instead of attacking me you'd realize that I probably am the only girl you'd ever want at a poker table 'cause my stories are just as bad as yours!

I'll extend the olive branch to end this. What I don't want to see is that because of you and I going back and forth it turns guys away from reading and participating in the thread. That would be counterproductive from all sides. As long as the attacks stay gone, I think there is room for all opinions. If you don't agree then maybe you should go start another thread because you're clearly in the minority at this point.

Mandy

It's an anomaly on this site, for the most part. When I stumbled across it, it literally changed my life. I've dabbled in most aspects of the "hobby", from high end escorts to streetwalkers. Searching for that next thrill, chasing an elusive dragon. When I had my first real experience with a SB, I realized this was a different game for me. It fulfilled me on a lot of different levels. I won't elaborate on this, for it might get a bit frilly. .

I've done my homework on this SD / SB world. I have a trusted friend who I communicate with to swap stories, advice and comraderie. I read this thread for its entertainment value (I love a good sex romp story!) , and to see where this community is headed. When Mandy arrived, I had my reservations. Not neccessarily for what she was going to bring to the table (I was already familiar with her blog) , but more so, how she was going to perceive all of this. Outwardly, I think she has embraced it with open arms. Offering her perspective on the matter, and some great advice. I may not agree with some of it (as I don't agree with a lot of the perspectives here) , I respect it. She has shown respect for us.

What troubles me, is the fact that this SD / SB phenom is exploding. With the gaining popularity, it brings lots of new players to the scene. Most of which, shouldn't be playing at all. I've recently become friends with a SB in my area. She contacted me, but I'm not interested because I usually don't play close to home. I like her though. College student, intelligent, sexy. She is also incredibly desperate right now. She has met one potential SD for an overnight already. He promised her, if they had a great time together, she could be his baby. She hasn't heard from him since. She's going to meet a "real" SD tonight. Said he's really generous and loaded with cash. He did say, however, that this was just a get-to-know-you fuck, and if it goes well, she'll be set. I guess we could all say kudos to this monger. I wonder if he reads this thread?

I for one, would not miss this thread if it stopped. Some of the reports disgust and sadden me. The words predator and manipulation and mysoginistic come to mind. I know! I just shouldn't read them.

I do not want anyone to think I'm taking a side here but, this forum no board is here to 'Help men find and fuck women'. I personally like to have one long term SB that I can see regularly and on the path to finding her I enjoy the sampling of different available girls. The truth is most of the ladies I meet and fuck will see me 2 or 3 times, it's not that they are bad, old, or ugly they are just not what I'm looking for.

Mandy you have indeed provided good insight to the group but, yes you will get more guys defending you that when the boys go at it. Not your fault just the way it is and nothing you can do about it.

In the end just like other forums on this board, there will be diversity and we all should try and pull back a little and let each member post their experiences as long as they fit the theme of this thread and lead to 'Helping men find women to fuck'. Just my thoughts

[QUOTE=VAJimbo;1456925]I personally like to have one long term SB that I can see regularly and on the path to finding her I enjoy the sampling of different available girls. The truth is most of the ladies I meet and fuck will see me 2 or 3 times, it's not that they are bad, old, or ugly they are just not what I'm looking for.[/QUOTE]Jimbo, I couldn't agree more with this statement. I operate in the exact same manner. In the six months I played around last year before finding The Doctor, I went through several guys. Some I still chat with occasionally, or see if they happen to be in the Chicago area for work. Others bored the crap out of me after 1 night and I've never looked back. That was my "play" period and then I met The Doctor. Now, I have him as a nice long-term SD. Whenever that ends, I know that I'll transition back to that "play" mode and I'm certain I'll have a lot of fun until I find that great connection again. It's just part of the fun cycle of this world.

Mandy

[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1456960]Jimbo, I couldn't agree more with this statement. I operate in the exact same manner. In the six months I played around last year before finding The Doctor, I went through several guys. Some I still chat with occasionally, or see if they happen to be in the Chicago area for work. Others bored the crap out of me after 1 night and I've never looked back. That was my "play" period and then I met The Doctor. Now, I have him as a nice long-term SD. Whenever that ends, I know that I'll transition back to that "play" mode and I'm certain I'll have a lot of fun until I find that great connection again. It's just part of the fun cycle of this world.

Mandy[/QUOTE]I'll get around to responding to all this in a day or two when I stop travelling but for now I will just say there are some rabbits who are pretty clever and lots of hounds who aren't and this reminds me of a rabbit holding class for hounds in how to hunt.

Group,

I hope you all have had a wonderful long weekend. The following is an account of mine.

I went off to work Friday morning with 2 dates lined up. M&G drinks after work with the 22 year old art student, but due to schedules, just a quick couple of drinks & no chance of following up. The 2nd date was with the latina party girl on Saturday, which due to heated nature of our email exchanges would probably have involved room reservations. I was very much looking forward to meeting the art student, as her photos were 'adorable' (my words). The party girl was going to be fun, but probably not going to lead to anything other than a single memorable evening. She was simply just not my type.

I had a 3rd prospect, a 32 year old divorced single mom / nursing student. We had been exchanging a few messages back and forth etc for a day or so. Our conversations on Friday however got very involved. Nothing overly explicit or sexual like with the Nando1 from a few weeks, ago. But general, deep, heartfelt discussions about life, love, joys, challenges, etc. She was amazingly articulate and we wound up exchanging pages upon pages of emails all day long (some of you may be aware that I can be prone to writing quite lengthy proclamations online, and naturally I would click with a woman who can do the same). I really accomplished next to nothing all day long in the office other than emailing this woman. Well I just had to meet her, and I devised a story to tell the warden to free up the entire Friday evening. I would meet up with the nurse closer to her house after I got done having a drink with miss adorable. I did leave work early to meet up with the adorable student first, as she goes to school very close to my office.

We had a nice chat (and some amazing cocktails) with adorable arty, however it has been quite a while since I tried making conversation with a college female, and certainly felt a bit out of place. Clearly I need more practice with this aspect of the hobby. I also admit to being pretty distracted during the date, as I was thinking a lot about my nurse. Adorable Arty's face was actually even more adorable in person, so I probably should have worked harder on her, however she was carrying a little bit more 'baby fat' than I had been made aware of earlier. She is not a BBW by any means, but certainly she went through pains to hide it in her photos and it was a bit of a let down when I finally saw her in person. The evening ended well enough with a hug and a willingness to get together at a later date. But at that point all I really wanted to do was to leave and go meet my poetic articulate nurse.

We met a bit later at a bar / eating establishment near her house and I offered to treat her to a late dinner. When we finally met, I was extremely nervous, palms sweating, heart racing, etc. But as soon as we introduced ourselves it instantly felt like reconnecting with an old friend. She was dressed fantastic in a tight skirt, blouse & those knee-high "fuck me" boots that are such the rage these days. She is not a drop-dead gorgeous model type, but rather she's the kind of woman you would see at the grocery store, give her a nice smile, and then turn around to check out her ass after she passes. She has a very natural wholesome beauty to her. We dined and shared a wonderful bottle of cabernet and just talked and talked. I could tell she was very much enjoying herself, and she told me she had not had not been treated to a proper evening out in a long time. Each time I told her she looked beautiful, she would blush a deep shade of red, and I did it quite often. As the evening was winding down and with much flirtation still going on, I casually mentioned to her that I had a good feeling the hotel across the street would have some vacancy (I checked on the ride over actually). She looked at me for about 500ms and then said "Well let's go!". I ordered her another round, excused myself from the table, and then went across the street alone to book the room. I came back to get her, & took care of the bill and we were off.

Once inside the room, things were instantly hot. As soon as the door to the FC closed we were all over each other. She was so ready for me that we really did not delay much at all. Once copulation started, it was wonderful, sensual, amazingly pleasurable and.

*FAST*

LOL. Sorry guys, I'm just trying to be honest.

It had been so long since I had been with a woman who actually acted like she was horny that it was just too much for my psyche to handle and I could not help it.

FORTUNATELY, she laughed it off and agreed to give me another chance (two actually). Round 2 was just like it was supposed to be with her having multiple orgasms building up until a grand finale for both of us. I introduced her to her new favorite position that night (Butterfly off the edge of the bed w / manual clitoral stimulation). Through it all, it was about the most comfortable 1st night with a woman I can ever remember having. It was like hooking up with a beloved fuck buddy that you haven't seen in a long time. By the time it was ready to go she was very reluctant to let the night end. I gave her some sugar (we had not even discussed the amount until then) and she was very appreciative.

I woke up on Saturday morning and checked my email to find a nice note from her saying how much fun she had and how much she wants to get together again. Sounds good to me! I canceled the scheduled meeting with the party girl for that day (I had no desire at this point to meet with someone else, especially one not my type). And she was free all day anyway, so we met up back at the same hotel. I stopped off at this really nice spa / salon I know of in the area & got her a little gift certificate and presented it to her when we met in the room. She was very appreciative and I can tell she is someone who really misses being pampered by a man. Sex on Saturday afternoon was even better because we were able to frankly talk about what turns each of us on & we both described our willingness to try & fulfill each others desires. I have been told many times in my younger days that I am quite a skilled cunning linguist. However the way SO has been acting the past few years when I attempt to swoon her with my literary prowess has really been damaging to my ego & led me to partially believe that maybe either the other women were lying to me, or I had lost that particular talent with age. Well I mentioned this fact to the nurse & she offered to give me an impartial judgment to which I eagerly obliged. She assured me (as did the our neighbors in the next room) that indeed I still was an expert skill level in that field of study. She then returned the favor, something that has been so lacking in my life lately that It's been hard to bear. It was a deeply fulfilling experience with lots of contact with those deep brown eyes of hers during the procedure.

A mutual massage followed, followed by round 2 and more introduction to the butterfly maneuver. We showered together after that and by the time that was over I was thinking of round 3, however my allotment of time was running out and I had to beg my leave of her once again. After we were dressed and getting ready to say our goodbyes. I had a panic attack. In my haste to get out of the house and get things quickly organized for our 2nd meet. I completely forgot to pick up sugar. What a boneheaded, amateur move by my part. Instead of telling her my excuse, I decided to not mention anything about it and see what she would say. She did not bring it up and we had a long kiss and hug goodbye and then left. When I finally got home there was another sweet email waiting for me, so apparently she was OK with the over-site and / or thought the small gift card was enough.

I have every intention of giving her what I forgot to bring on our next meeting however. Because clearly this is a relationship I want to keep going. She was also clear when we first started of her need for financial assistance, and I am too nice of a guy to dishonor that part of our agreement. That being said, the fact that she did not seem put off by the fact that I forgot is a really good sign in my book.

Time will tell what pans out from this, but at this point I would very much like to keep things going with the nurse. There really is no need to call Adorable Arty right now. I'm not going to say for sure that this will be driving me into monogamy or anything else as scandalous as that. However for now I am very much enjoying the comfort level we both share. What a rush! People have said this before, but this thread has certainly changed my life.

I look forward to hearing your tales of debauchery from this lovely weekend.

Chi

Golly Gee Whiz! Two items I have to address after the holiday weekend

1) I totally support both contributors Literal and Mandy for their insight and observations. I roll more in the direction of Mandy since I am looking for and have found an emotionally satisfying SB / GF. However I started as hour man and evolved this way. I remember when lit started this thread and as things do, it took on a life of it's own. So everybody keep doing what you're doing and Peace Out!

2) Really bad news that we are all susceptible to as married men. W found my burner phone and the cat is out of the bag. I might need to torch all of my on line ramblings but I will see. SO if I disappear from sight that is what happened. My Sweet SB is very supportive and so far is standing by me and is not running for the hills. That could still happen and sad to say, I'm already missing her if things blow all the way up more than my marriage. She said she loves me and wants me to stay in her life but she confirmed the obvious and told me that I would never be her forever guy. I totally get it but it still hurts. This is the big problem with getting E-Involved. You can't walk away with a casual "oh well " and move on easily to the next conquest.

My God Nando, stay strong my friend!

I do not envy your situation one bit, but please keep your head up. You are going to have trials and tribulations but remember that even this will eventually pass.

Best of luck and if we do not hear from you for a while, you will still be in our thoughts.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1457982]Golly Gee Whiz! Two items I have to address after the holiday weekend

1) I totally support both contributors Literal and Mandy for their insight and observations. I roll more in the direction of Mandy since I am looking for and have found an emotionally satisfying SB / GF. However I started as hour man and evolved this way. I remember when lit started this thread and as things do, it took on a life of it's own. So everybody keep doing what you're doing and Peace Out!

2) Really bad news that we are all susceptible to as married men. W found my burner phone and the cat is out of the bag. I might need to torch all of my on line ramblings but I will see. SO if I disappear from sight that is what happened. My Sweet SB is very supportive and so far is standing by me and is not running for the hills. That could still happen and sad to say, I'm already missing her if things blow all the way up more than my marriage. She said she loves me and wants me to stay in her life but she confirmed the obvious and told me that I would never be her forever guy. I totally get it but it still hurts. This is the big problem with getting E-Involved. You can't walk away with a casual "oh well " and move on easily to the next conquest.[/QUOTE]

Nando,

I hate to hear about your troubles. I'm sure I am not alone is wishing you the best of luck and hoping everything turns out ok. As we know, all us married guys are just one step away from being there ourselves. Hang in there my friend.