I think this is her ACT (Per Se) She spouted the same shit to me. She's a big gambler from what she told me. This is here way of making you feel bad and tipping well.
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I think this is her ACT (Per Se) She spouted the same shit to me. She's a big gambler from what she told me. This is here way of making you feel bad and tipping well.
[QUOTE=NormalGuy;3383632]Any info on this place? Recommendations on girls?
I was there a year ago and enjoyed it, but was hoping for an update.
Thanks -.
Norm.[/QUOTE]Was there end of March. Got 4-hand massage from Amy and another lady (can't remember her name). Nice massage with standard finish. $. 75 total damage (tipped each lady. 4).
I've been frequenting AMPs on and off for the last 6 years. When I first started there was a genuine feeling of excitement I had with each visit in anticipation of the finish at the end of the massage. I thought the services were overall a nice experience.
But reading the accounts of the veterans here. I. e. Those who went to AMPs in the 70's /80's /90's. It seems as if the glory days of AMPs in the Chicago area are long gone. And when I see that there was a lot more fun in those days than there is now, I wonder if we will ever see those days again. I know AMP's in New York, Southern California and the Bay Area have long been hotspots and will likely continue to be. So, I ask you guys. Can Chicago become just as good as those areas? Or are we doomed to overall mediocrity? Of course I know there are a few gold nuggets in Chicagoland. Nice-looking talent with quality services at reasonable prices (and are grateful for the tips). But largely it seems like most ladies are homely and older, the services are not that great, and they act sad if you tip the standard amount.
I know this has been said before, but one possible way of turning the tide in our favor is sticking with standard tip rates. That means 40 for HJ, 60 for BJ, and 100 for FS. If the lady does something extra like a foot or scalp massage then you can add another 10 or 20. But we as mongers need to hold the line on these rates. If they don't want to accept the standard tips, we can take our business elsewhere. Let's see if we can get this AMP scene turned around here in Chicagoland!
The state of AMP industry here just plain sucks. Places like Dallas, Philly, So Cal to name a couple areas are so much better its sad. I agree holding the line on tipping would go a long way on improving service and walking out if the woman is just plain unattractive would bring in better lookers. Also the areas I've mentioned have a set price for all inclusive service, no haggling. I had a Korean doll at a Philly AMP years back that gave awesome service and went way over time limit I had to throw a tip her way. On the way out Mama joked that its lucky its a slow time of day.
[QUOTE=OPIllini;3384264]I've been frequenting AMPs on and off for the last 6 years. When I first started there was a genuine feeling of excitement I had with each visit in anticipation of the finish at the end of the massage. I thought the services were overall a nice experience.
But reading the accounts of the veterans here. I. e. Those who went to AMPs in the 70's /80's /90's. It seems as if the glory days of AMPs in the Chicago area are long gone. And when I see that there was a lot more fun in those days than there is now, I wonder if we will ever see those days again. I know AMP's in New York, Southern California and the Bay Area have long been hotspots and will likely continue to be. So, I ask you guys. Can Chicago become just as good as those areas? Or are we doomed to overall mediocrity? Of course I know there are a few gold nuggets in Chicagoland. Nice-looking talent with quality services at reasonable prices (and are grateful for the tips). But largely it seems like most ladies are homely and older, the services are not that great, and they act sad if you tip the standard amount.
I know this has been said before, but one possible way of turning the tide in our favor is sticking with standard tip rates. That means 40 for HJ, 60 for BJ, and 100 for FS. If the lady does something extra like a foot or scalp massage then you can add another 10 or 20. But we as mongers need to hold the line on these rates. If they don't want to accept the standard tips, we can take our business elsewhere. Let's see if we can get this AMP scene turned around here in Chicagoland![/QUOTE]I don't see it getting better and I'll tell you why. Chicago is not a primary location target for the girls coming from overseas. Almost all Chinese girls have heard of New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Texas, and Florida. Very few have heard of Chicago. And it being in the center of the country, with brutal winters, is not very appealing to them. Furthermore, while we have a decent sized Chinatown, it is rundown and miserable to live in. The Chinese here in general are not happy people. The restaurants they run are filthy and the service is poor. Contrast that with San Francisco where the mood is the opposite and the Chinese are happy and you get the feeling that Chicago is a place where they have to be, not want to be. There are a lot of older providers here because they are not wanted anywhere else. They know they can get work here in their 40's and 50's and not being in shape. The demand is there because we don't have a choice and because a lot of hobbyists in Chicago have not hobbied in other cities and don't know how good it can be, and how bad it is here. They feed the older ones and the older ones keep coming. Furthermore, the young ones, who know they are rare and invaluable, usually act accordingly, by demanding larger tips and cutting short on the massage time and quality. They are there simply to get you off for the maximum amount of tip. If they are nice and give a thorough massage it is because they are new and will likely change in time. Either that or they will leave. I've recently stopped going to AMP's. I did actually have a really good last session with a young provider who gave an excellent massage. The place was known as a legit place so I didn't expect anything and yet got an HE. It is always better when it's not expected. At any rate, I figured I would end it on a positive experience and move on. The problem with AMP's is that on average I'm getting an experience like the one I just described once out of every 5 to 7 sessions. You are essentially paying to have mediocre to outright bad sessions 4 out of 5 times or more.
The Asian Apartment Scene is equally in decline. Girls from warm climates like Thailand and the Philippines do not want to spend miserable winters in Chicago. There is no fresh supply of talent. You have some Korean and Thai places that are mediocre and every once in a while land a gem but for the most part keep the same girls for extended periods of time because they can't find new young and attractive ones. Again, the ratio of really good times to bad times is not good. And for me, a really good time is a girl in her early 20's with a great body that offers an enthusiastic experience. You may think that's asking for a lot but that is the norm in a lot of other places. Once you have had that then there's no point in dealing with the 40 year olds with sag. Unless, of course, you are an older gentleman yourself, and in which case that is what you are looking for.
LMP's in general in Chicago are not very good. There is no real massage. The girls are older and lazy. They upcharge everything and cut you short on time. In places like Miami and Texas, you get a much better experience, but of course that's because they like living there and there is more supply.
EMP's in Chicago usually give you the best overall massage. They take pride in it. However, most of the talent has been here for decades. Most of the girls are in their 40's or older. The young Euro talent that comes to Chicago is not looking to work in an EMP. They would rather work in the 180/240 places where guys are paying escort prices for HJ's. Or they are part of the 400/ hr high end escort circle. Nobody who is young and attractive wants to give a $65 one hour massage to get a $40 tip when they can just fake it for 20 minutes and pull your dick for 180/ hhr. There is also the BP euro motel girls who I am a fan of but those are extremely YMMV and can lead to disappointment if you are expecting too much.
Chicago is seeing a large amount of young 18-22 year old escort talent, both American and European girls, but those are 400/ hr, and if you are in the Massage Parlor Section reading this, are probably not your thing.
What's interesting is that Montreal and Toronto have significantly better scenes and their winters are just as brutal. The difference is that things are legal there and so there is no risk of getting busted. Chicago is regressive in that sense and every week you see a bust in the papers. So if you add up the factors: cold winters, no real geographical interests besides a big lake, far from home, over aggressive criminal justice system, and a crappy Asian community, you can understand why the scene is unlikely to improve in the short term and will likely only get worse.
I've said this before about Chicago AMP scene. It has come and gone here. I've cut down huge on visits because of all the reasons that have been talked about here before.
[QUOTE=TonyDe;3384345]The state of AMP industry here just plain sucks. Places like Dallas, Philly, So Cal to name a couple areas are so much better its sad. I agree holding the line on tipping would go a long way on improving service and walking out if the woman is just plain unattractive would bring in better lookers. Also the areas I've mentioned have a set price for all inclusive service, no haggling. I had a Korean doll at a Philly AMP years back that gave awesome service and went way over time limit I had to throw a tip her way. On the way out Mama joked that its lucky its a slow time of day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lokkin4;3384140]I think this is her ACT (Per Se) She spouted the same shit to me. She's a big gambler from what she told me. This is here way of making you feel bad and tipping well.[/QUOTE]Who would reverse a $75 credit card transaction to an AMP. It's only $75 and a bank will only allow you to pull something like that a few times. You'd have to say someone stole my card and have to get a new one or talk to someone on the phone about how you went to the MP but didn't authorize that much.
[QUOTE=Nated;3383867]Oak Park.
I can't guarantee she'll offer FS, from reading other accounts in this thread she offers BJ for the price she charged me FS.[/QUOTE]How much was total damage including tip?
[QUOTE=BottleRocket12;3384370]I don't see it getting better and I'll tell you why. Chicago is not a primary location target for the girls coming from overseas. Almost all Chinese girls have heard of New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Texas, and Florida. Very few have heard of Chicago. And it being in the center of the country, with brutal winters, is not very appealing to them. Furthermore, while we have a decent sized Chinatown, it is rundown and miserable to live in. The Chinese here in general are not happy people. The restaurants they run are filthy and the service is poor. Contrast that with San Francisco where the mood is the opposite and the Chinese are happy and you get the feeling that Chicago is a place where they have to be, not want to be. There are a lot of older providers here because they are not wanted anywhere else. They know they can get work here in their 40's and 50's and not being in shape. The demand is there because we don't have a choice and because a lot of hobbyists in Chicago have not hobbied in other cities and don't know how good it can be, and how bad it is here. They feed the older ones and the older ones keep coming. Furthermore, the young ones, who know they are rare and invaluable, usually act accordingly, by demanding larger tips and cutting short on the massage time and quality. They are there simply to get you off for the maximum amount of tip. If they are nice and give a thorough massage it is because they are new and will likely change in time. Either that or they will leave. I've recently stopped going to AMP's. I did actually have a really good last session with a young provider who gave an excellent massage. The place was known as a legit place so I didn't expect anything and yet got an HE. It is always better when it's not expected. At any rate, I figured I would end it on a positive experience and move on. The problem with AMP's is that on average I'm getting an experience like the one I just described once out of every 5 to 7 sessions. You are essentially paying to have mediocre to outright bad sessions 4 out of 5 times or more.
The Asian Apartment Scene is equally in decline. Girls from warm climates like Thailand and the Philippines do not want to spend miserable winters in Chicago. There is no fresh supply of talent. You have some Korean and Thai places that are mediocre and every once in a while land a gem but for the most part keep the same girls for extended periods of time because they can't find new young and attractive ones. Again, the ratio of really good times to bad times is not good. And for me, a really good time is a girl in her early 20's with a great body that offers an enthusiastic experience. You may think that's asking for a lot but that is the norm in a lot of other places. Once you have had that then there's no point in dealing with the 40 year olds with sag. Unless, of course, you are an older gentleman yourself, and in which case that is what you are looking for.
LMP's in general in Chicago are not very good. There is no real massage. The girls are older and lazy. They upcharge everything and cut you short on time. In places like Miami and Texas, you get a much better experience, but of course that's because they like living there and there is more supply.
EMP's in Chicago usually give you the best overall massage. They take pride in it. However, most of the talent has been here for decades. Most of the girls are in their 40's or older. The young Euro talent that comes to Chicago is not looking to work in an EMP. They would rather work in the 180/240 places where guys are paying escort prices for HJ's. Or they are part of the 400/ hr high end escort circle. Nobody who is young and attractive wants to give a $65 one hour massage to get a $40 tip when they can just fake it for 20 minutes and pull your dick for 180/ hhr. There is also the BP euro motel girls who I am a fan of but those are extremely YMMV and can lead to disappointment if you are expecting too much.
Chicago is seeing a large amount of young 18-22 year old escort talent, both American and European girls, but those are 400/ hr, and if you are in the Massage Parlor Section reading this, are probably not your thing.
What's interesting is that Montreal and Toronto have significantly better scenes and their winters are just as brutal. The difference is that things are legal there and so there is no risk of getting busted. Chicago is regressive in that sense and every week you see a bust in the papers. So if you add up the factors: cold winters, no real geographical interests besides a big lake, far from home, over aggressive criminal justice system, and a crappy Asian community, you can understand why the scene is unlikely to improve in the short term and will likely only get worse.[/QUOTE]This somehow got me thinking about my last couple years of active duty in the Army in San Antonio in the early 70's. Then, it really sucked there, at least for me. No internet then or even nightlife magazines that I could find. Occasionally found a newspaper want ad. Would not consider an escort service -- afraid that someone might find out who I was.
Had to drive around looking for storefronts or billboards. I did a LOT of driving around. . . Never even got a happy ending in that town; too stupid to try something different, except for the one time I managed to pick up a black SW. Felt like I was jerking off with a brillo pad. Didn't go with another black woman until many years later, and she was definitely from the other end of the spectrum. Found my first HE successes by driving one hour each way to Austin and some MP's there. About two months before I came back home, I discovered the Chicken Ranch in La Grange TX, half way to Houston. Managed to partake three times, and could even choose from the available talent. It was great! Couple of years later I read that they had closed. RIP.
Bad as things are here in the Chicago area, I can't help thinking that, for me at least, it's still a lot better than it used to be. I just remembered something I heard many years ago, about how even bad pussy is still pussy!
[QUOTE=Nated;3383867]Oak Park.
I can't guarantee she'll offer FS, from reading other accounts in this thread she offers BJ for the price she charged me FS.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing.
I think she gave you a bit of discount since you skipped massage.
It may sound ridiculous, but what I miss the most is her massage.
The hardest massage I've ever got in full time.
I advertised strongly here since it was very slow though she was only employee.
But, if she is OK, I may have to stay away a bit if she gave FS for first timer.
I feel it's a bit risky and police won't stand still forever.
I wish I can get only massage ($60) with a bit of tip ($20).
But, I am not sure if she likes it since she obviously want more money from extras.
P.S. :
Cindy is 50 years old average looking Chinese woman.
Let me not exaggerate it.
I did it to help her a little.
Any new providers you can recommend?
[QUOTE=BottleRocket12;3384370]I don't see it getting better and I'll tell you why. Chicago is not a primary location target for the girls coming from overseas. Almost all Chinese girls have heard of New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Texas, and Florida. Very few have heard of Chicago. And it being in the center of the country, with brutal winters, is not very appealing to them. Furthermore, while we have a decent sized Chinatown, it is rundown and miserable to live in. The Chinese here in general are not happy people. The restaurants they run are filthy and the service is poor. Contrast that with San Francisco where the mood is the opposite and the Chinese are happy and you get the feeling that Chicago is a place where they have to be, not want to be. There are a lot of older providers here because they are not wanted anywhere else. They know they can get work here in their 40's and 50's and not being in shape. The demand is there because we don't have a choice and because a lot of hobbyists in Chicago have not hobbied in other cities and don't know how good it can be, and how bad it is here. They feed the older ones and the older ones keep coming. Furthermore, the young ones, who know they are rare and invaluable, usually act accordingly, by demanding larger tips and cutting short on the massage time and quality. They are there simply to get you off for the maximum amount of tip. If they are nice and give a thorough massage it is because they are new and will likely change in time. Either that or they will leave. I've recently stopped going to AMP's. I did actually have a really good last session with a young provider who gave an excellent massage. The place was known as a legit place so I didn't expect anything and yet got an HE. It is always better when it's not expected. At any rate, I figured I would end it on a positive experience and move on. The problem with AMP's is that on average I'm getting an experience like the one I just described once out of every 5 to 7 sessions. You are essentially paying to have mediocre to outright bad sessions 4 out of 5 times or more.
The Asian Apartment Scene is equally in decline. Girls from warm climates like Thailand and the Philippines do not want to spend miserable winters in Chicago. There is no fresh supply of talent. You have some Korean and Thai places that are mediocre and every once in a while land a gem but for the most part keep the same girls for extended periods of time because they can't find new young and attractive ones. Again, the ratio of really good times to bad times is not good. And for me, a really good time is a girl in her early 20's with a great body that offers an enthusiastic experience. You may think that's asking for a lot but that is the norm in a lot of other places. Once you have had that then there's no point in dealing with the 40 year olds with sag. Unless, of course, you are an older gentleman yourself, and in which case that is what you are looking for..[/QUOTE]Couple suggestions that could make the Chicago AMP scene better:
1) Language barrier and reliance on it as a crutch for non-communication;.
2) Lack of warmth / superficial interaction;.
3) Failure to leverage and cultivate repeat business / loyal customers.
I think fifty is pushing the limit. She appeared to be over 55. Ton of makeup and was the cliche AMP provider with the language etc. I did enjoy her upper torso as that was recently worked on. Massage was mediocre at best. The concerning part was she wouldn't stop talking about what she did with clients and stuff. For the finale I had to close my eyes in all honesty. In my scale she would be a four. Service was the bright side. Then again I did try and schedule with a much better looking he place so maybe my expectations where high.
[QUOTE=ChicagoCat99;3385129]Thank you for sharing.
I think she gave you a bit of discount since you skipped massage.
It may sound ridiculous, but what I miss the most is her massage.
The hardest massage I've ever got in full time.
I advertised strongly here since it was very slow though she was only employee.
But, if she is OK, I may have to stay away a bit if she gave FS for first timer.
I feel it's a bit risky and police won't stand still forever.
I wish I can get only massage ($60) with a bit of tip ($20).
But, I am not sure if she likes it since she obviously want more money from extras.
P.S. :
Cindy is 50 years old average looking Chinese woman.
Let me not exaggerate it.
I did it to help her a little.[/QUOTE]
Stopped by Mercy this week and wasn't allowed to go up by doorman. I was told that they were out for next few weeks. Really odd.
[QUOTE=Ned515;3362760]New around here, any feedback on Relax Spa near McCormick. I am planning to check it out. Any other options in the area would be good to know as well. Looking for a decent massage followed by some good service if possible.[/QUOTE]I visited Relax Spa 4 times in the last 2 years. It's on busy street. Just buzz and someone will let you in. I've always been let in by the person giving me the massage. I had Amy twice. She is super cute and younger with great body. I've always had the same menu, 40/ hhr, 60 hr. Extra 60 for HJ, $ for nude HF, $140 extra for FS. I've always opted for first option. 2nd two times were Yuyu, older, look OK, very nice tits. I've left happy every time.