"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=RonaldReagan;4413330]That you are looking them up on their personal information etc.[/QUOTE]I have been doing this long enough to have run across scammers, thieves and liars pretending to be innocent little coed SBs. If they choose to use their Facebook or Instagram pics on their pages, I am going through that open door.

I also do the search thing on the District Court's website. Saved me from getting involved with it at least two with felonies. Including one with an arrest warrant out for her.

Trust but verify goes a long way when dealing with the broad cross section of people who use sites like SA. I am sure there are some fine people on both sides. I like the odds in my favor and viewing public information is not creepy.

[QUOTE=RonaldReagan;4413330]That you are looking them up on their personal information etc.[/QUOTE]No it's not. It's smart, not to mention super easy to get almost all of these girls names.

Wait until one tries to blackmail you. I had a girl contact me on several social media accounts (including some I use for work) demanding money to "keep things quiet" a few months ago. I had found her social media prior to our meet. As soon as she threatened me I sent her a video of her giving me a rim job and then sent screenshots of her parents and boyfriends facebook profiles to prove I knew who she was. Then I sent the address of her dad's company to her and asked if that was where I should mail the cash. Problem solved, haven't heard from her again.

Emily, and all these other girls are hookers and they just see us as johns. We are an easy way to make a buck. Once you understand that you'll get that it's not a hard leap for them to blackmail us. I mean why not?? I bet 50% of us could be convinced to pay something. The rest won't report it because we want to keep it quiet in the first place. I'm actually surprised more don't, it's a no-brainer for them.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that SBs are not prostitutes, they have less milage than SWs but are the same species. Take precautions and be careful.

[QUOTE=RonaldReagan;4412741]I have had quite the different experience with her. Perhaps because I have seen her a few times. She was at GMU last spring and is doing an internship in Richmond. I saw her last week as well as another VCU that was phenomenal and wrote about.

Fortunately for me I am between DC and Richmond and am loading up on a few SA ladies and I am enjoying them. I.

Emily isn't going to sweet talk you and all that, she isn't for everyone but I really enjoy seeing her and another down there.[/QUOTE]"Experience" or not she isn't very attractive as far as SBs go. Particularly in Richmond, where I've never had an issue getting gorgeous 18 yo VCU freshman whenever I'm there. Emily just isn't a looker, 4/10 face and untoned body with no curves. And again, she charges more than the 10/10's I've banged off the site.

If she was cheaper I would fit her in as a backup whenever I got a room for a potential flake. But she won't get cheaper because white knight's are happy to overpay for a mediocre experience.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4413798]No it's not. It's smart, not to mention super easy to get almost all of these girls names.

Wait until one tries to blackmail you. I had a girl contact me on several social media accounts (including some I use for work) demanding money to "keep things quiet" a few months ago. I had found her social media prior to our meet. As soon as she threatened me I sent her a video of her giving me a rim job and then sent screenshots of her parents and boyfriends facebook profiles to prove I knew who she was. Then I sent the address of her dad's company to her and asked if that was where I should mail the cash. Problem solved, haven't heard from her again.

Emily, and all these other girls are hookers and they just see us as johns. We are an easy way to make a buck. Once you understand that you'll get that it's not a hard leap for them to blackmail us. I mean why not?? I bet 50% of us could be convinced to pay something. The rest won't report it because we want to keep it quiet in the first place. I'm actually surprised more don't, it's a no-brainer for them.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that SBs are not prostitutes, they have less milage than SWs but are the same species. Take precautions and be careful.[/QUOTE]I think I take precautions and we need to figure out how they are getting the personal information.

Do you think when you search for them on your accounts it notifies them so in return they have your information? I have zero social media accounts and if I do, like any sites I visit, I take precautions as you mentioned. What you said about us is true brother.

Be safe.

[QUOTE=GregRichmond;4401987]Menu was short, not much to offer. Looks like she do smoke a lot. Not full GFE and not worth it. She will get an excuse to leave. ! So avoid.[/QUOTE]They all have an excuse to leave. They're trying to get their money and get out as fast as possible. That's why they're so happy when we cum.

[QUOTE=BagIt;4402257]Who are the men who are paying these girls on SA for mentoring, only going to dinner, talking and shit like that w / no BBBJ or pussy on the menu? I mean the number of girls who tell me they are only looking for that is ridiculous. I mean hell I can find someone to talk to for free![/QUOTE]The girls have fantasies just like we do. Their fantasy is to have an impotent old man sign over everything they own to them without ever having to be touched. Our fantasy is to have a young hot girl beg for our dick because she really wants it and we don't have to give her a dime. The reality of an arrangement is somewhere in the middle. I've stopped pretending that the girls really want to have sex with me. I'm sure that these girls will figure out that the guys don't really want to pay to be platonic friends too.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4406501]Anybody know why it happens that you're on SA, you get a massage from a new potential, you reply within less than a minute, the green dot shows they're still online, and not only do they not respond, but your message grid shows they've never even read your response. Happens to me -- and I assume others -- many dozens of times. It can't be because they're not interested --they initiated contact with me after all, and whatever I said in response probably didn't say much more than what's in my profile, so I can't have turned them off. Maybe they don't get messages in real time? Anybody know?[/QUOTE]They're ignoring you. Just like us, they get a lot of messages. Sometimes they feel like talking, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're a little interested, sometimes they're not. Any girl who messages me more than two or three times after being ignored by me, I block. If I don't answer her, and she keeps trying, she has emotional issues I don't want to deal with.

[QUOTE=EumYang;4412326]IME I had to wait 30 minutes after buying the card, before I could use it. Something to keep in mind.[/QUOTE]Can you advise which exact card you used? Thanks CM.

That's a question a lot of girls ask fairly early on in the messaging sequence. And generally I respond by saying something like mutually beneficial, but I can't say more without actually meeting. And I realized, that's actually true. When I first meet a potential in person, I usually have one of 3 reactions: (1) I'm sorry I wasted your and my time; (2) I would definitely enjoy one or more FC sessions with you if the terms are mutually satisfactory, but that's it; or (3) you know what, not only am I attracted to you physically, but I actually like you -- or could like you if we get to know each other -- and I could see spending time with you in not FC situations. I know many of you are skeptical about #3 (and think maybe I'm deceiving myself if I think that kind of attraction could be reciprocal), but I guess after 6+ years on the site I've kind of had more than my share of category #2, including with some astonishingly beautiful women, and when I find a profile of a mid-late 20's college educated grad student or professional sounding type, I'm always wondering if maybe a "type 3 arrangement" could be in the cards. I've actually had a couple of those that lasted months approaching years -- and if I was deceived by the motivations on the other side, at least I thoroughly enjoyed the deception.

Couple of quick updates.

1. HotRVAchick: She is racial and demands too much money. I will not recommend. Pro SB or escort.

2. summerbaby987: This SB was rude but also told me in message that new SBs at VCU share information, specially the new ones in recent months. She said you reached out to two of my friends. LOL- Well when you are shopping you like to have choices.

3. Profile name start with Sugarbaby: I have seen patterns where either these are fake profile or pro SB's second account. Just watch out. Based on my experience these are used by SBs to scan SDs. And most of them will block you. If you get trapped in their logic.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;4414233]Can you advise which exact card you used? Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]I just joined the bowl for the first time. I bought a $100 OneVanilla Non-Reloadable Visa at CVS for $105.95 (includes $5. 95 activation fee). Followed the directions given by Truncated and the payment went through just fine on first try. I have $10.05 left on card that I will use for gas. Thanks Truncated!!

Do not worry about the international use aspect. The card I bought says "Only Usable in the USA," but it went through. When you register the card, like Truncated said, make sure you use a valid zip code and use that same zip code when paying. Except for the zip code, all the other info in the payment section of Seeking was literally made up stuff. Nothing I placed in there existed. I used the zip code of town about 15 miles from me. Pretty sure you could use one in a different state as well.

I do not know about the 30 minute wait time between activation and use since my time span was something like 3 hours.

EDIT: I am assuming Vanilla MasterCard would work as well, since it is the same company and exact same website and set-up. Interesting my Walmart has the MasterCard, but not the Visa and my CVS had the Visa but not the MasterCard. I just went with the Visa.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4413798]No it's not. It's smart, not to mention super easy to get almost all of these girls names.

Wait until one tries to blackmail you. I had a girl contact me on several social media accounts (including some I use for work) demanding money to "keep things quiet" a few months ago. I had found her social media prior to our meet. As soon as she threatened me I sent her a video of her giving me a rim job and then sent screenshots of her parents and boyfriends facebook profiles to prove I knew who she was. Then I sent the address of her dad's company to her and asked if that was where I should mail the cash. Problem solved, haven't heard from her again.

Emily, and all these other girls are hookers and they just see us as johns. We are an easy way to make a buck. Once you understand that you'll get that it's not a hard leap for them to blackmail us. I mean why not?? I bet 50% of us could be convinced to pay something. The rest won't report it because we want to keep it quiet in the first place. I'm actually surprised more don't, it's a no-brainer for them.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that SBs are not prostitutes, they have less milage than SWs but are the same species. Take precautions and be careful.[/QUOTE]This is exactly right. One I just met told me about the lengths she went to trying to out me. I was starting to sweat there for a bit as her Google Fu and skills were strong, but mine were much, much stronger. In the days of image search, I think our Op Sec may soon be all but impossible to maintain.

Stay Safe.

Anexplorer40.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4415252]EDIT: I am assuming Vanilla MasterCard would work as well, since it is the same company and exact same website and set-up. Interesting my Walmart has the MasterCard, but not the Visa and my CVS had the Visa but not the MasterCard. I just went with the Visa.[/QUOTE]Yes Walmart vanilla Mastercard works like a charm. I have used it.

[QUOTE=AnExplorer40;4415301]This is exactly right. One I just met told me about the lengths she went to trying to out me. I was starting to sweat there for a bit as her Google Fu and skills were strong, but mine were much, much stronger. In the days of image search, I think our Op Sec may soon be all but impossible to maintain.

Stay Safe.

Anexplorer40.[/QUOTE]I'll offer a different perspective, echoing some other veterans of this thread. You get the sugar bowl you are looking for. You can find girls who might be your match but are also scammers. Cheaters are easily cheated. That works in both ways. Exercise some judgment in the type of girl you get involved with, you should have less trouble. I am not advocating being lax, there are great tips on this thread for keeping things locked down. Including how to avoid giving up the goods based on your photos.

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