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		[QUOTE=NewGuyNot;5651967]Why overpriced with a butterface. Lousy experience and about a yr and half ago she and her kid had lice. Passed it out.[/QUOTE]Not sure if it's against forum STD allegation rules, but I can confirm I was one of the victims in that "passing out" scenario. Hopefully, she's cleaned that up. 
 
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		Toledo Escort: Stay Away 
		[QUOTE=Mossayre6969;5652211]I've seen her ad multiple times but could never schedule anything with her cause she always seems to be back in Toledo when I text her. I know she also used to have a different number.
 
 [URL]https://ann-arbor.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/last-chance-dont-miss-out/857272667889[/URL]
 
 [URL]https://sumosear.ch/phone/419-969-9919[/URL][/QUOTE]She's been around several years. Went by Lacey, I think. Several reports on her. Many, if not all, are negative. Terrible service.
 
 
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		Covered 
		[QUOTE=DatyLover1976;5652310]I know her personally, she's clean and well kept and won't rip ya off. Everything is going to be covered but she'll let you give them titties a paint job.[/QUOTE]I've never had a covered BJ, I imagine it to be lack luster and frustrating. I actually hate condom sex but the excitement of being with someone new usually outweighs that dislike. Probably why I rarely repeat dates. Idk. If I do repeat it's usually just for BBBJ's. 
 
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		Butterface 
		[QUOTE=NewGuyNot;5651967]Why overpriced with a butterface. Lousy experience and about a yr and half ago she and her kid had lice. Passed it out.[/QUOTE]Price and experience are hopelessly subjective and I have no information or experience with the lice thing, so I was wondering if we could spend a few minutes just discussing "butterfaces" and standards of beauty amongst the monger population. I figure more information spread around on this topic would help mongers better understand that there are different standards and that not everyone might agree on them. I think enhancing this understanding can only help hobbyist communications.
 
 For those who missed that day of middle school, a "butterface" is a girl where everything is pretty about her "but 'er face".
 
 In the spirit of sharing, I'll start and since Mandie seems to be such a divisive topic, I'll start there. To me, Mandie is very pretty, especially her face. I think most of her pics are recent and accurate. I'll post a link so you all can decide for yourself.
 
 My best example of a girl that is still on my to-do list that I haven't yet pulled the trigger on is Vivian. I find her somewhat attractive but her face does not appeal to me like Mandie's does. Maybe it's because I was not exposed to women of her ethnicity while growing up? I dunno.
 
 What about all you hobbyists on the forum? Are you in the prettyface or butterface camp for Mandie? Can you offer a link or a pic or two of YOUR opinions of pretty faces and butterfaces to compare and contrast? I think responding honestly can help us understand each other's point of view and improve the tenor of this forum.
 
 Mandie:
 
 [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/70953595[/URL]
 
 [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/phone/586-745-0616[/URL]
 
 Vivian:
 
 [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/70932940[/URL]
 
 [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/phone/313-469-3988[/URL]
 
 
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		Butterface 
		Mandie is not even close to a butterface. Vivianne on the other hand ummm butterface but by definition she may not qualify with baby damage and other body flaws. Just my opinion. I like some meat on the bone.
 
 [QUOTE=LotharioPK;5653159]Price and experience are hopelessly subjective and I have no information or experience with the lice thing, so I was wondering if we could spend a few minutes just discussing "butterfaces" and standards of beauty amongst the monger population. I figure more information spread around on this topic would help mongers better understand that there are different standards and that not everyone might agree on them. I think enhancing this understanding can only help hobbyist communications.
 
 For those who missed that day of middle school, a "butterface" is a girl where everything is pretty about her "but 'er face".
 
 In the spirit of sharing, I'll start and since Mandie seems to be such a divisive topic, I'll start there. To me, Mandie is very pretty, especially her face. I think most of her pics are recent and accurate. I'll post a link so you all can decide for yourself.
 
 My best example of a girl that is still on my to-do list that I haven't yet pulled the trigger on is Vivian. I find her somewhat attractive but her face does not appeal to me like Mandie's does. Maybe it's because I was not exposed to women of her ethnicity while growing up? I dunno.
 
 What about all you hobbyists on the forum? Are you in the prettyface or butterface camp for Mandie? Can you offer a link or a pic or two of YOUR opinions of pretty faces and butterfaces to compare and contrast? I think responding honestly can help us understand each other's point of view and improve the tenor of this forum.
 
 Mandie:
 
 [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/70953595[/URL]
 
 [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/phone/586-745-0616[/URL]
 
 Vivian:
 
 [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/70932940[/URL]
 
 [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/phone/313-469-3988[/URL][/QUOTE]
 
 
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		Vivian 
		I'm not going to comment on what constitutes a butterface, it's obviously subjective and used to trigger a response.
 
 But who is Vivian's friend in the pics? She looks better than Viv.
 
 
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		Mandie 
		[QUOTE=PhatUnit;5653203]Mandie is not even close to a butterface. Vivianne on the other hand ummm butterface but by definition she may not qualify with baby damage and other body flaws. Just my opinion. I like some meat on the bone.[/QUOTE]I've never seen her in person, but I've always thought from her pictures that Mandie is quite pretty. 
 
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		[QUOTE=LotharioPK;5653159]Price and experience are hopelessly subjective and I have no information or experience with the lice thing, so I was wondering if we could spend a few minutes just discussing "butterfaces" and standards of beauty amongst the monger population. I figure more information spread around on this topic would help mongers better understand that there are different standards and that not everyone might agree on them. I think enhancing this understanding can only help hobbyist communications.
 
 For those who missed that day of middle school, a "butterface" is a girl where everything is pretty about her "but 'er face".
 
 In the spirit of sharing, I'll start and since Mandie seems to be such a divisive topic, I'll start there. To me, Mandie is very pretty, especially her face. I think most of her pics are recent and accurate. I'll post a link so you all can decide for yourself.
 
 My best example of a girl that is still on my to-do list that I haven't yet pulled the trigger on is Vivian. I find her somewhat attractive but her face does not appeal to me like Mandie's does. Maybe it's because I was not exposed to women of her ethnicity while growing up? I dunno.
 
 What about all you hobbyists on the forum? Are you in the prettyface or butterface camp for Mandie? Can you offer a link or a pic or two of YOUR opinions of pretty faces and butterfaces to compare and contrast? I think responding honestly can help us understand each other's point of view and improve the tenor of this forum.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure we've all laid with worse than either of them. The filters the ladies use these days doesn't help us make informed decisions either. I'd see both of them if they were local to me and make either one a regular if they go raw and have excellent hygiene. Neither one is what I'd consider fugly, but who really knows until you see them in person. They are both prettier than my last or current regular. But, I wasn't seeing them because they were pretty. They were reliable, clean as a whistle, and fuck like a pornstar. Three things that are more important to me than looks.
 
 All of us have different tastes. I can't do fat for example. At the end of the day, there's an ass for every seat. The guys in this game that are hung up on looks are just setting themselves up for disappointment. What good is a 9 who doesn't respond or has a cooter smells like an outdoor fish market in July?
 
 
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		[QUOTE=DatyLover1976;5652310]I know her personally, she's clean and well kept and won't rip ya off. Everything is going to be covered but she'll let you give them titties a paint job.[/QUOTE]I don't see her number listed. 
 
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		[QUOTE=LilSubCub;5651259][URL]https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view/70822074/3137512298[/URL]
 
 Any intel on this one?[/QUOTE]Why is no phone number listed.
 
 
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		[QUOTE=RoyalOakGuy;5653368]Why is no phone number listed.[/QUOTE]Because you are looking at a link to her "old posts" and the number doesn't show up in there. Use info from the listing and do a list crawler search to find the active ad and you'll find the number. 
 
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		Vivian Reviewed 
		[QUOTE=LotharioPK;5653159]Price and experience are hopelessly subjective and I have no information or experience with the lice thing, so I was wondering if we could spend a few minutes just discussing "butterfaces" and standards of beauty amongst the monger population. I figure more information spread around on this topic would help mongers better understand that there are different standards and that not everyone might agree on them. I think enhancing this understanding can only help hobbyist communications.
 
 For those who missed that day of middle school, a "butterface" is a girl where everything is pretty about her "but 'er face".
 
 In the spirit of sharing, I'll start and since Mandie seems to be such a divisive topic, I'll start there. To me, Mandie is very pretty, especially her face. I think most of her pics are recent and accurate. I'll post a link so you all can decide for yourself.
 
 My best example of a girl that is still on my to-do list that I haven't yet pulled the trigger on is Vivian. I find her somewhat attractive but her face does not appeal to me like Mandie's does. Maybe it's because I was not exposed to women of her ethnicity while growing up? I dunno.
 
 What about all you hobbyists on the forum? Are you in the prettyface or butterface camp for Mandie? Can you offer a link or a pic or two of YOUR opinions of pretty faces and butterfaces to compare and contrast? I think responding honestly can help us understand each other's point of view and improve the tenor of this forum.
 
 Mandie:
 
 [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/70953595[/URL]
 
 [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/phone/586-745-0616[/URL]
 
 Vivian:
 
 [URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/michigan/detroit/70932940[/URL]
 
 [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/phone/313-469-3988[/URL][/QUOTE]I posted a review on Viv back in August. FWIW.
 
 [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4499-Escort-Reports&p=5506178#post5506178[/URL]
 
 
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		Seen. Pass 
		[QUOTE=EdHemlock;5648345]I've seen [URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/fresh-face-with-a-mouth-that/139106220568[/URL], she was still coming up with her nickname / etc back when I saw her 4-5 months ago, she came up from the south just recently if I recall.
 
 Details: No big issues, accommodating and chill provider, house is one of the ones they all work out of it (not great) but not a super unsafe part of Pontiac AFAIK (5X and Huron, roughly).
 
 I would repeat with her probably, but variety of the spice of life and it wasn't mind blowing enough to not try others.[/QUOTE]Yeaaaah so very different experience here.
 
 Texted them to set a schedule over the course of 24 hours to plan ahead, since they are in Pontiac. First red flag- they share the same number.
 
 No response to a proper set time- second red flag.
 
 Approached at the time specified and there were no cars in the driveway, then at about the exact time we were to start, two different vehicles pulled up.
 
 From both vehicles came no women, only males. Drove off immediately.
 
 Would not recommend- whole time had red flags going off.
 
 
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		[QUOTE=JoeLefty;5653677]Because you are looking at a link to her "old posts" and the number doesn't show up in there. Use info from the listing and do a list crawler search to find the active ad and you'll find the number.[/QUOTE]Can you PM her number if you find it?
 
 I'm looking at most recent. No contact.
 
 
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		Oh Boy Oh Boy Oh Boy 
		[QUOTE=JoeLefty;5653677]Because you are looking at a link to her "old posts" and the number doesn't show up in there. Use info from the listing and do a list crawler search to find the active ad and you'll find the number.[/QUOTE]Ignore my other post. New to that site and was a little dumb.
 
 Gentlemen let's talk about a dream I had with this one today. My goodness gracious. In this dream all frustrations with a parachute are gone. In this dream all my dreams came true and I had a HELL of a time.
 
 10/10 dream was no hustle good to go will repeat again. Hoping to go back to bed and have this dream all over again today.
 
 Hopefully you'll have a great dream too, and hopefully it'll have her in it.
 
 Went through about ten different potentials today, most not even doing a review on.