Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Wahoo2000;5739055]I think Jojo was having a bad week or something. After reading soooooo many positive / best ever AMP experience posts over the last couple months, I made my way out to spring valley for a visit earlier this week. Saw Jojo. Had me wait in the room from the top of the hr when I arrived. Came in about 3-4 min after to collect house fee. Said to get ready, then came back about 5 min later. I left out the tip in advance. We got down to business, and while she was very active, I could totally tell something was off with her. Didn't seem to be enjoying herself in the *slightest*. Lackluster BJ, which she kept stopping every 30-40 seconds to come up and lick my nipples. Then when asked for FS, she was pretending like she didn't hear me or something until I had to say "condom" like 4-5 times. Finally about 5 min of FS and she starts telling me time is up. It's now 23 after the hr, and session didn't even begin till almost 10 after. So about 13 total min of "service" and I'm basically told to finish quick and get out.

I might give VIP another try based on both the overall volume of outstanding reviews AND the fact that there were a couple other negs based on the same girl this week. She could have just been 'off' this week I guess. Still, it's hard to reconcile in my brain that I can get a body like Kiko's (which is a million times tighter than what I experienced w / jojo) w / a performance that is also a million times better for the same cost, or just $60 for an hour in a nice private apartment setting. I really expected this AMP to provide an experience on par with what I get at FEC or SDAG (excepting the shower) but it was so far from that it's hard to wrap my mind around going back to give them another try. Even at the new location, which is MUCH more convenient for me.[/QUOTE]C'est la vie, It is what is it, que sera sera, etc. And all the other idioms. VIP was off on great start, and now petering away.

Maybe I should try? YMMV kind of thing?

[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;5739220]C'est la vie, It is what is it, que sera sera, etc. And all the other idioms. VIP was off on great start, and now petering away.

Maybe I should try? YMMV kind of thing?[/QUOTE]First the volume of reviews on them really trailed off after the first week or 2 of Jan, then a few bad experiences this week (albeit all w / the same provider at the same location). I think if you have the new location info (which should only be obtained from the 1st / public location) you might have a much better experience. That said, I'm going to wait for one of the other vets on this board to chime in again with a *recent* over the top / beyond ludicrous / unbelievable experience before I wade back in.

What I *don't* expect, but admit IS possible: If one of those guys happens to confirm that, "it's still great and better than most AMP, but NOT the same as it was in Dec / New Year", then I'm going to chalk it up to their business doing over the top service for awhile to create a massive demand, and once that demand is steady, the service drops off. In THAT case, I'm prob out for a return visit, as it indicates it was purely 100% a performance all along, plus you never know what you're REALLY going to get when you go for a session.

Saw Kelly a few days ago. It was my first time at this place and it was nice. I walked in and was greeted into a room and paid the hour rate. First mistake was not requesting Lulu who is the person I wanted to see. After a quick wait Kelly walks in. She is nice enough slim body almost no ass but some perky natural A / B cups. Start a massage that was OK best. Then she asked what I wanted and I said everything and she tried to charge me 1. 8 but I only had extra 1.6 after house fee. She took it but said next time. Pretty good BBBJ and then we moved to the couch hat came on. A couple positions and finished with a BBBJ HJ combo since she wanted $60 for CIM. That only took about 30 minutes and for the rest of the time she wanted to talk but no rd 2 she wanted the full 180 for another round. She was nice enough and OK performance but don't think I'd repeat at that price. I might just need to get better at negotiation.

As I was leaving I asked the lady up front if lulu was there. She said yes and came in kissed me and let me feel. Oh man I really missed out. I will Be back to see her real soon. She's only in town a few more days.

Does anyone know if Jojo = Juju = Yoyo = Yuyu at VIP?

I saw someone in Dec, and it sounded like Yuyu when she said her name, but via message from someone from the shop (not sure why I assume Lisa), they wrote Yoyo. But I also see a lot of Jojo / Yoyo since then, so it leaves me wondering if it's the same person or different people.

Went and saw the new girl Pink today. She is very beautiful of course and her service was very similar to all the VIP ladies, including some nice camel slides. I had a lot of stamina today for some reason and worked up quite the sweat pounding her through many positions and she took it like a champ. The highlight for her is she has really nice fairly large natural tits, so if that is your thing, you won't want to miss her. I think we have started to become a bit spoiled by all the amazing ladies that VIP has entertained us with, they set the bar very high for an AMP. I will post a longer thread on this topic later today, until then, don't hesitate to give Pink a try, you will not be disappointed.

[QUOTE=RolfTorren;5738983]Sure hope the bubble hasnt burst over there. They were a breath of fresh air. A great business model that was clearly working.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;5739220]C'est la vie, It is what is it, que sera sera, etc. And all the other idioms. VIP was off on great start, and now petering away.

Maybe I should try? YMMV kind of thing?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wahoo2000;5739055]I think Jojo was having a bad week or something. After reading soooooo many positive / best ever AMP experience posts over the last couple months, I made my way out to spring valley for a visit earlier this week. Saw Jojo. Had me wait in the room from the top of the hr when I arrived. Came in about 3-4 min after to collect house fee. Said to get ready, then came back about 5 min later. I left out the tip in advance. We got down to business, and while she was very active, I could totally tell something was off with her. Didn't seem to be enjoying herself in the *slightest*. Lackluster BJ, which she kept stopping every 30-40 seconds to come up and lick my nipples. Then when asked for FS, she was pretending like she didn't hear me or something until I had to say "condom" like 4-5 times. Finally about 5 min of FS and she starts telling me time is up. It's now 23 after the hr, and session didn't even begin till almost 10 after. So about 13 total min of "service" and I'm basically told to finish quick and get out.

I might give VIP another try based on both the overall volume of outstanding reviews AND the fact that there were a couple other negs based on the same girl this week. She could have just been 'off' this week I guess. Still, it's hard to reconcile in my brain that I can get a body like Kiko's (which is a million times tighter than what I experienced w / jojo) w / a performance that is also a million times better for the same cost, or just $60 for an hour in a nice private apartment setting. I really expected this AMP to provide an experience on par with what I get at FEC or SDAG (excepting the shower) but it was so far from that it's hard to wrap my mind around going back to give them another try. Even at the new location, which is MUCH more convenient for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wahoo2000;5739249]First the volume of reviews on them really trailed off after the first week or 2 of Jan, then a few bad experiences this week (albeit all w / the same provider at the same location). I think if you have the new location info (which should only be obtained from the 1st / public location) you might have a much better experience. That said, I'm going to wait for one of the other vets on this board to chime in again with a *recent* over the top / beyond ludicrous / unbelievable experience before I wade back in.

What I *don't* expect, but admit IS possible: If one of those guys happens to confirm that, "it's still great and better than most AMP, but NOT the same as it was in Dec / New Year", then I'm going to chalk it up to their business doing over the top service for awhile to create a massive demand, and once that demand is steady, the service drops off. In THAT case, I'm prob out for a return visit, as it indicates it was purely 100% a performance all along, plus you never know what you're REALLY going to get when you go for a session.[/QUOTE]I too saw JoJo recently and had an amazing session. It must have been a few bad days for her. To me JoJo is beautiful. If you like petite, with nice B / C soft MM, who enjoys DFKissing as much as I do, who gives a great BBBJ with CIM and enjoys a great love making session then she's a great choice.

I agree having amazing sex / making love with a beautiful woman in an apartment setting is more ideal. I prefer that too. I've seen Kiko as well and she is amazing and has one of the best body in the business. However, I prefer younger girls in their late 20's to early 30's. Although KiKo looks amazing, she is probably in her 40's. Also, I don't compare VIP with SDAG because VIP is not an apartment setting so I know going in the sessions that I will be in a small room, on a table, and the duo shower with your provider is hit or miss at an AMP. I only started going to AMPs (VIP, 108,7) recently because SDAG has not been bringing young, beautiful girls that can exceed my expectations in their service / performance.

I have seen all the girls at VIP and they are all young and beautiful- Mina, Lisa, CiCi, KiKi, JoJo. All are 7 plus in looks IMO when compared to other AMPs. I've been to other AMPs and have walked out many times because the lineup had no one attractive at all. Another big plus with VIP is they have continued to bring new girls as advertised and they’ve only been in town 2-3 months. More new girls are expected in February.

Do I have one provider that I prefer over another, of course we all do. But JoJo is definitely on my repeat list because she is beautiful and provide excellent service. Everything I want during my session with her are offered.

[QUOTE=DragonWolf;5739355]Does anyone know if Jojo = Juju = Yoyo = Yuyu at VIP?

I saw someone in Dec, and it sounded like Yuyu when she said her name, but via message from someone from the shop (not sure why I assume Lisa), they wrote Yoyo. But I also see a lot of Jojo / Yoyo since then, so it leaves me wondering if it's the same person or different people.[/QUOTE]Yes, there was a YoYo who covered for CiCi for several days.

[QUOTE=TitanTool;5739472]Went and saw the new girl Pink today. She is very beautiful of course and her service was very similar to all the VIP ladies, including some nice camel slides. I had a lot of stamina today for some reason and worked up quite the sweat pounding her through many positions and she took it like a champ. The highlight for her is she has really nice fairly large natural tits, so if that is your thing, you won't want to miss her. I think we have started to become a bit spoiled by all the amazing ladies that VIP has entertained us with, they set the bar very high for an AMP. I will post a longer thread on this topic later today, until then, don't hesitate to give Pink a try, you will not be disappointed.[/QUOTE]I can't wait to meet Pink when I return to San Diego. I hear she is very beautiful, so thanks for your confirmation Titan!

Celebrating CNY early with some of my UTR friends.

All the talk about VIP being in decline got me pondering if that is actually true or not. I pretty much see all the VIP ladies and from a purely looks point of view, they are all gorgeous. From a purely service point of view, they all basically do the exact same set of things, in particular, they all DFK and make out like nobody's business, which I think is fairly unique as AMP ladies go. Yet like many of you, I find each successive lady I see there having a harder time making me feel the same as some of the first few ladies I saw. So I wonder, is the quality of the experience just slowly going down, or has it just become so routine that it is hard to get back that sensational feeling of the first few ladies who did the VIP thing.

To answer that question, I decided I would circle back and try some 108 ladies in order to recalibrate my expectations. Eva was not available, so I hit up Rita instead. Normally, Rita would have seemed like a total rock star, but after the VIP ladies, the entire thing made me feel more like a transactional duty than ever before. So at least now I am convinced that the VIP ladies broadly still have something special about them.

So I went and saw Pink today and had the usual great time, including some tender loving from Mina. That's when I found out that Lisa had been rotated out, much to my disappointment, and that Mina was on a clock as well. Which got me thinking, will VIP ever be the same without those two? So I started breaking down the problem a bit to try to understand what makes me like some VIP ladies more than others, when by the book, the service and looks are all very comparable.

What I concluded was my sexual attraction had less to do with their looks and sexual acts they performed, and far more to do with how they treated me outside the bedroom so to speak. Do they know my name when I walk in, are they clearly excited to see me, look you in the eye and confide things in you, what is their body language. These are remarkably important aspects to fulfilling the fantasy a guy wants, and something that in some ways is lost on the ladies who cycle through more quickly.

Something is going to be lost when Lisa (now gone) and Mina leave. The cute girls and sexual acts alone will not be enough to replace it. Perhaps some ladies will stand up to take on that role, but I am skeptical. But just to keep things in perspective, the worst of VIP sets the bar higher than any other AMP in my opinion. I thought it would be kind of fun to rank the ladies I have seen there, which is pretty much all of them, hopefully I don't forget someone. In order, favorite first:

Mina.

Lisa.

Nana.

Cici.

Kiki.

Pink.

Jojo.

The first two on that list are simple special ladies, they are way different than any of the others, they are the anchors of this place. What makes them extra special is I feel like they genuinely care about me and whether I have a good time, regardless of who I see. I feel like their job is to show all the other ladies how to treat customers, and they are extremely good at it. The top 4 on the list have something special about them too above the other ladies, they make me genuinely feel like they want to spend time with me again, not because they want the money, but because they like me at least as a client. I can't begin to tell you what a difference this makes to the fantasy and the desire to return and repeat. The bottom 3 are all fantastic. Kiki is so beautiful and young, but I can almost guarantee that unlike the first 4, nine of them can tell you my name if they saw me, the personal connection is just not there, and it is not because of lack of chemistry, it is just not the way they are wired. They are there for sexual acts, whereas the first 4 feel like they want to have that personal connection with their clients. I don't think it can be taught. I hope future ladies brought in have a little bit of it in their personalities, otherwise I will truly miss the top 4 though thankfully they will all cycle back through).

For reference, I would put 108 Eva just below Cici on *that list, and all the other 108 ladies just below Jojo, then I would put pretty much every other AMP lady I have met below all of them.

I don't think VIP is falling, but I do think that guys are motivated by bar-raising experiences and once the bar gets so high, it's really hard to meet expectations -- we are spoiled. I suppose we will have to suffer for a while to correct that situation and truly appreciate how remarkable these ladies are.

First visit to VIP "DT" (though not really in DT) this week.

Made an appointment by text for late morning. I was in a hurry and couldn't find street parking so I parked in the paid lot close by. Place is easy to find. Size and cleanliness is similar to the VIP SV location. Sink in the room, camera and monitor set up, chair, and massage table-bed. I think I heard one other customer there.

Mina let me in. She is a cutey. About 5' 4" to 5' 6"? Unfortunately it was the time of the month that day. We still made out. Plenty of DFK and body touching.

She told me I'll have Kiki that day. She is exactly what others have written about. Young and pretty with great attitude. She looks like those fake asian girl pictures used on many listings but she actually looks the part. Soft fair skin, great man mades. Licked me down, flipped for a BBBJ, then CG, dog, missionary to finish. I did not last as long as I wanted.

As I'm putting back my clothes on Mina comes in and we start DFKing LOL telling me to come back soon to make an appointment for her. She's great at what she does.

She told me that they will be rotating girls between the SV and DT location. Kiki will be going to SV and a couple new girls at DT. I never got the impression that she will be leaving.

The choices we have in SD are incredible right now. I have a lot of experience with brothels in Japan. A literal heaven for mongers, and this reminds me of that. Please be good customers. Let's not fuck this up guys.

[QUOTE=TitanTool;5739693]All the talk about VIP being in decline got me pondering if that is actually true or not. I pretty much see all the VIP ladies and from a purely looks point of view, they are all gorgeous. From a purely service point of view, they all basically do the exact same set of things, in particular, they all DFK and make out like nobody's business, which I think is fairly unique as AMP ladies go. Yet like many of you, I find each successive lady I see there having a harder time making me feel the same as some of the first few ladies I saw. So I wonder, is the quality of the experience just slowly going down, or has it just become so routine that it is hard to get back that sensational feeling of the first few ladies who did the VIP thing.

To answer that question, I decided I would circle back and try some 108 ladies in order to recalibrate my expectations. Eva was not available, so I hit up Rita instead. Normally, Rita would have seemed like a total rock star, but after the VIP ladies, the entire thing made me feel more like a transactional duty than ever before. So at least now I am convinced that the VIP ladies broadly still have something special about them.

So I went and saw Pink today and had the usual great time, including some tender loving from Mina. That's when I found out that Lisa had been rotated out, much to my disappointment, and that Mina was on a clock as well. Which got me thinking, will VIP ever be the same without those two? So I started breaking down the problem a bit to try to understand what makes me like some VIP ladies more than others, when by the book, the service and looks are all very comparable.

What I concluded was my sexual attraction had less to do with their looks and sexual acts they performed, and far more to do with how they treated me outside the bedroom so to speak. Do they know my name when I walk in, are they clearly excited to see me, look you in the eye and confide things in you, what is their body language. These are remarkably important aspects to fulfilling the fantasy a guy wants, and something that in some ways is lost on the ladies who cycle through more quickly.

Something is going to be lost when Lisa (now gone) and Mina leave. The cute girls and sexual acts alone will not be enough to replace it. Perhaps some ladies will stand up to take on that role, but I am skeptical. But just to keep things in perspective, the worst of VIP sets the bar higher than any other AMP in my opinion. I thought it would be kind of fun to rank the ladies I have seen there, which is pretty much all of them, hopefully I don't forget someone. In order, favorite first:

Mina.

Lisa.

Nana.

Cici.

Kiki.

Pink.

Jojo.

The first two on that list are simple special ladies, they are way different than any of the others, they are the anchors of this place. What makes them extra special is I feel like they genuinely care about me and whether I have a good time, regardless of who I see. I feel like their job is to show all the other ladies how to treat customers, and they are extremely good at it. The top 4 on the list have something special about them too above the other ladies, they make me genuinely feel like they want to spend time with me again, not because they want the money, but because they like me at least as a client. I can't begin to tell you what a difference this makes to the fantasy and the desire to return and repeat. The bottom 3 are all fantastic. Kiki is so beautiful and young, but I can almost guarantee that unlike the first 4, nine of them can tell you my name if they saw me, the personal connection is just not there, and it is not because of lack of chemistry, it is just not the way they are wired. They are there for sexual acts, whereas the first 4 feel like they want to have that personal connection with their clients. I don't think it can be taught. I hope future ladies brought in have a little bit of it in their personalities, otherwise I will truly miss the top 4 though thankfully they will all cycle back through).

For reference, I would put 108 Eva just below Cici on *that list, and all the other 108 ladies just below Jojo, then I would put pretty much every other AMP lady I have met below all of them.

I don't think VIP is falling, but I do think that guys are motivated by bar-raising experiences and once the bar gets so high, it's really hard to meet expectations -- we are spoiled. I suppose we will have to suffer for a while to correct that situation and truly appreciate how remarkable these ladies are.[/QUOTE]Spot on Titan. I agree with everything you said. I would just like to add, to the owners of VIP, if you read this board (and I believe they do), as a business owner myself, I know how hard it is to find and retain quality employees. Lisa and Mina are the best I've seen in 20 years of mongering. I would suggest to you that you bring them back as soon as possible, and keep them working here as long as they want to work here. Trust me, they're good for your business and are the biggest reason for your success.

Mr MuffMan.

Just wondering- with the ad VIP has on Rub Ratings I would be hesitant to get too comfortable about lack of LE presence as the ad is as explicit as any AMP ad I've seen.

[QUOTE=RolfTorren;5738983]Sure hope the bubble hasnt burst over there. They were a breath of fresh air. A great business model that was clearly working.[/QUOTE]I have returned only once since my blissful 3 some with Lisa / Mina. I was "satisfied" in my last visit, but I think I had such an amazing time in the ffm fantasy that was fulfilled, anything after that was a let-down. I've even visited one of my atf's, Sophia and her cartoonish funbags. Her performance was on par with every other visit. But the thrill / excitement level wasn't the same. The VIP 3 some has spoiled me. I hope their service levels don't fall, that it's just a temporary glitch, or a bad day.

Perhaps they could chime in, or, the guys on here who are closest to them can get some feedback from them, and post up their reply?

[QUOTE=TempleAvenue;5709983]Since I am on a budget, there are three choices. Mina at VIP, Lulu at 108 and this MILF.

Can you describe a little more of her stats? And services?[/QUOTE]Miyuki is a Japanese sex doll. She just texted me that she's back in San Diego at Super Spa on Ronson. Exotic looking, I'd guess 30's, about 5'3", all natural 34 C's, small tat above her tit, thin but not a spinner, better than average Asian ass (I know, that's not saying much), very sensual, very friendly. Doitashimashite.

[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;5739605]Yes, there was a YoYo who covered for CiCi for several days.[/QUOTE]So I take it these are two different ladies and not one and the same?