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Should have looked back
[QUOTE=CTom86;6111825]Did my best to meet with Natalie over the last couple of days but she ended up just wasting my time.
I decided to visit Toledo over the holiday weekend. I was hedging on coming until Natalie agreed to meet me at my hotel.
She had two hours notice and said everything was great, though I was pessimistic.
I got to my hotel and tried to reach her and got nothing. Eventually, when her arrival time was at hand, she texted that her battery wouldn't start and that she would be enroute shortly. 30 minutes passed so I texted and called. Total silence. 30 more minutes pass and still nothing so I texted her that I was heading out.
5 hours passed and she texted her apologies. . . . yada, yada, yada. I fell for it and indicated that I would reach out the next day and try to schedule again.
I did, agreeing to go to her incall (Alexis & Telegraph). Reached out the next day to set up a time but her responses were slow and inconsistent. I eventually talked to her on the phone and we set up time in 30 minutes.
I texted her 10 minutes later that I would be there in 20. She responded that she needed 30. I said ok.
I was already in her neighborhood waiting things out and when the agreed upon time came, I texted her again. She responded that she needed 30 minutes for her roommate to get her stuff and leave. I agreed but hesitantly.
20 minutes later I texted her. She said she needed 10 and to come in but wouldn't give me a room number. 15 minutes later, I called and texted to say that I was coming in (no response) and when I pulled into the dive, there were way too many people in the courtyard so I turned aound, passing a sheriff deputy as I left. I called and texted several times. No response.
I left, texting her that I was doing so. I never heard back.
She seems like a nice person but she is either really scatter brained or just likes to fuck with people. She isn't hot enough to put up with either.
[URL]https://toledo.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/latin/hot-sexy-mexican-mama-/873494300370[/URL][/QUOTE]I gave a review back on 8/22 about her being a waste of time Post #16875. Guess people don't research much anymore.
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[QUOTE=BDB0107;6112791]I spent some time with Alice today. Her pictures are accurate and she was friendly & accommodating. I could not find any reviews on here so was very skeptical. She is real and gave an above average BBBJCIM. She has a massage table and massage was pleasant but not a trained masseuse. I will likely repeat and try her for nuru. Rate was typical for stg ladies.
[URL]https://toledo.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_e/-edging-in-wonderland-cum-let-/986910110079[/URL][/QUOTE]Texting don't work screen cracked".
Lol.
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[QUOTE=BDB0107;6112791]I spent some time with Alice today. Her pictures are accurate and she was friendly & accommodating. I could not find any reviews on here so was very skeptical. She is real and gave an above average BBBJCIM. She has a massage table and massage was pleasant but not a trained masseuse. I will likely repeat and try her for nuru. Rate was typical for stg ladies.
[URL]https://toledo.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_e/-edging-in-wonderland-cum-let-/986910110079[/URL][/QUOTE]Search: Tiffany Tease or just Alice Wonderland Toledo, I reviewed her as well. Yeah the search sucks, no swallow.
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New to the game
I'm new to the escort scene. I've talked with a couple, but have chucked out. I need some advice as to what to watch out for and how not to get ripped off or arrested. Please give me some advice.
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[QUOTE=SeedlessGrapes;6113412]I'm new to the escort scene. I've talked with a couple, but have chucked out. I need some advice as to what to watch out for and how not to get ripped off or arrested. Please give me some advice.[/QUOTE]Rule #1 no upfront deposits ever!
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[QUOTE=BDB0107;6112776]I too was intrigued by the good BBBJ reported skills and have contacted her several times over the last couple of weeks. I made appts for early afternoon on the next day 3 times and got ghosted every time. Last appt was this afternoon at 12:30 but she never confirmed until too late. I gave up on her and contacted another provider. I suspect she is up late and sleeps in morning and early afternoon. I will not try again but if someone is still interested I suggest evening is probably more likely to be successful.[/QUOTE]With only very few exceptions, scheduling with any STG advertiser a day in advance is a waste of time. Just start texting / calling down your list when you are ready.
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Start reading
[QUOTE=SeedlessGrapes;6113412]I'm new to the escort scene. I've talked with a couple, but have chucked out. I need some advice as to what to watch out for and how not to get ripped off or arrested. Please give me some advice.[/QUOTE]Lots of advice already here and reviews as well.
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New to the Forums
Has anyone seen this one I have been thinking about getting a hold but I have not found any reviews anywhere. [URL]https://toledo.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/black_caribbean/slippery-when-wett/949566886207[/URL].
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Her name is Cupcake.
[QUOTE=Somefun12;6113964]Has anyone seen this one I have been thinking about getting a hold but I have not found any reviews anywhere. [URL]https://toledo.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/black_caribbean/slippery-when-wett/949566886207[/URL].[/QUOTE]Check back over last month. A senior member rated several of the Black providers. Rated all four or five as above average. Cupcake was one of the providers discussed.
I have no first hand knowledge.
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[QUOTE=SeedlessGrapes;6113412]I'm new to the escort scene. I've talked with a couple, but have chucked out. I need some advice as to what to watch out for and how not to get ripped off or arrested. Please give me some advice.[/QUOTE]Do not believe a word they tell you, no matter how sad or desperate the tale, no captain save a ho, Never pay deposits, never lend money, whether they promise to pay it back Tuesday or give you free sessions, it won't happen.
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Never Say Never, LOL
[QUOTE=Muppet;6114205]Do not believe a word they tell you, no matter how sad or desperate the tale, no captain save a ho, Never pay deposits, never lend money, whether they promise to pay it back Tuesday or give you free sessions, it won't happen.[/QUOTE]So, I'll show a bit of trust in some girls whom I've known for a while. They do some things for me like give me deeply discounted rates, throw in DFK, rimming, and / or anal, they don't rush me or limit our time together (I nearly always pay way less than an ss incall but get a hh, hr, or longer outcall), etc, so I'd be an ass not to do a bit for them. One of the things I'll do for them is give them money for their candy up front. It's rarely the full date amount. It's just enough to wet their beak and put them in a good and / or horny mood. Who does that benefit? Well, me! Having a girl who is finding is oftentimes grumpy, and she oftentimes rushes the date because all she can think about is her fix that she's getting right after. That results in me being frustrated that I bothered with her in the first place.
One girl this year went into the dope man's house and didn't come back. Another went into her house and didn't come back.
When someone fucks me over like this, it hurts them more than me. I didn't give them a lot of money, so they screwed up by not hurrying back to me so they could get the rest. Plus, I'll ignore and avoid a girl for a while—sometimes that's a long while, and sometimes that's forever. They lose out on all the dates they could have had given that I was a regular.
Anyway, after a while, the first girl talked me into seeing her again. I did so but without giving her any money up front. Given that I usually don't fully pay for a date til my balls are empty, she was a bit baffled why I wasn't giving her anything once my pants were zipped. Then she asked if I wasn't paying her because of what happened. Yep. She freaked out a moment, but then she got herself together. She knew she owed me, so she let it go. We've been back to fucking regularly ever since because she showed me respect again.
The other girl said if I'd see her again, the date would be free. That takes some gumption for an addict to say that and mean it. We did an outcall, and true to her word, she didn't ask for anything. I respected her for that, so I voluntarily gave her a little money.
These are two good stories where girls did the right thing by me after their failure. Anyone new to mongering should not give a girl money up front unless you just want to consider it welfare for her since you're likely never going to see that money again.
I've been fucked over by some girls, and I've severed ties not being worried about recouping my money. Why? It's because I was paying them much less than probably everyone else, so if they got one over on me, I still came our way ahead money-wise in the long run. I just let it go and plant my dick elsewhere.
What I'm saying here is purely anecdotal. For anyone new to this, I'd strongly recommend not doing what I've done. Girls work hard to make you feel like they're into you and that you can trust them only to shaft you at the first opportunity that they deem worth it.
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[QUOTE=Muppet;6114205]Do not believe a word they tell you, no matter how sad or desperate the tale, no captain save a ho, Never pay deposits, never lend money, whether they promise to pay it back Tuesday or give you free sessions, it won't happen.[/QUOTE]This applies to strippers as well, even more so really. The fact is over 90% of these girls are hustlers. They put on an act, that is part of the service. The really good ones can act out anything. Notice I listed 90%. There is a small percentage that is different but to find those and actually determine the truth is something that will cost you dearly if you decide to avoid the wisdom of Muppet. There are many stories of members here that lost thousands falling victim to a she-devil. Let her in too far, give her too much info... Well if she is the bad person she is pretending not to be she will come after you with both barrels as soon as she has that info. If she is not as bad, but things go south (they eventually will) she will come after you with both barrels. Keep it a transaction. Once you get personal she has you.
Burner phones
Never at home
No full names
Avoid pics (some require it though)
Avoid access to your car if possible (plates)
Scope out the place first
As mentioned, no deposits or advances
This only covers protecting yourself from the bad girl, generally, we have not even talked Leo yet. If you find someone you do click with and enjoy the situation then do something simple, like a small gift now and then. On your terms, not by her request. That is the most you should consider.
Funny part is that applies to outside of the hobby as well. A normal relationship can cost big bucks. Although the percentages are more in your favor there. Women.
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[QUOTE=BadBird;6114836]This applies to strippers as well, even more so really. The fact is over 90% of these girls are hustlers. They put on an act, that is part of the service. The really good ones can act out anything. Notice I listed 90%. There is a small percentage that is different but to find those and actually determine the truth is something that will cost you dearly if you decide to avoid the wisdom of Muppet. There are many stories of members here that lost thousands falling victim to a she-devil. Let her in too far, give her too much info... Well if she is the bad person she is pretending not to be she will come after you with both barrels as soon as she has that info. If she is not as bad, but things go south (they eventually will) she will come after you with both barrels. Keep it a transaction. Once you get personal she has you.
Burner phones
Never at home
No full names
Avoid pics (some require it though)
Avoid access to your car if possible (plates)
Scope out the place first
As mentioned, no deposits or advances
This only covers protecting yourself from the bad girl, generally, we have not even talked Leo yet. If you find someone you do click with and enjoy the situation then do something simple, like a small gift now and then. On your terms, not by her request. That is the most you should consider.
Funny part is that applies to outside of the hobby as well. A normal relationship can cost big bucks. Although the percentages are more in your favor there. Women.[/QUOTE]You are 100 percent correct with the stripper theory. They hustle for a buck at work and it transitions to their everyday lives. Once they hook you in, it's always some drama that they need money for. I have had a few positive experiences with otc, but always keep it to you give something when you get something. Don't give the personal info until way later in the relationship (after you find out all about her).
I won't loan money to any provider until there has been a long exchange of give and take. It has worked out in the long run but there you have to be cautious. One of the best ones for being honest and fair was Blond Jessie. (we all miss her) She would always make things right when there was a need that I helped her with.
Happy Hunting.
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Great insight
[QUOTE=LimaBean;6114446]So, I'll show a bit of trust in some girls whom I've known for a while. They do some things for me like give me deeply discounted rates, throw in DFK, rimming, and / or anal, they don't rush me or limit our time together (I nearly always pay way less than an ss incall but get a hh, hr, or longer outcall), etc, so I'd be an ass not to do a bit for them. One of the things I'll do for them is give them money for their candy up front. It's rarely the full date amount. It's just enough to wet their beak and put them in a good and / or horny mood. Who does that benefit? Well, me! Having a girl who is finding is oftentimes grumpy, and she oftentimes rushes the date because all she can think about is her fix that she's getting right after. That results in me being frustrated that I bothered with her in the first place.
One girl this year went into the dope man's house and didn't come back. Another went into her house and didn't come back.
When someone fucks me over like this, it hurts them more than me. I didn't give them a lot of money, so they screwed up by not hurrying back to me so they could get the rest. Plus, I'll ignore and avoid a girl for a whilesometimes that's a long while, and sometimes that's forever. They lose out on all the dates they could have had given that I was a regular..[/QUOTE]I think if someone is heavy into the lifestyle and sees a lot of providers on a consistent basis this approach is worth a try. Definitely a marathon vs sprint approach.
I also see nothing wrong with the guy that chooses to sever ties after a ripoff. Your philosophy is interesting. It shows that these women know what they are doing is wrong when they rip someone off but the candy is a very strong demon to overcome. Reminds me of the cartoon with the devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other.
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Never Say Never
Well said Lima!
What I'm saying here is purely anecdotal. For anyone new to this, I'd strongly recommend not doing what I've done. Girls work hard to make you feel like they're into you and that you can trust them only to shaft you at the first opportunity that they deem worth it.