"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970; 1868518]A reminder to my brothers and a piece of advice to guys who are just entering our "hobby": No matter how much you trust a SB, never leave her alone with the sugar offering. I learned that the hard way last night.

I sent her a text, tried to call her. No response. I finally started to get bad feeling and sure enough, I checked my gym bag to see what she had taken.

What's amazing is that this girl only got away 2/3 of her sugar for the night, she could have stayed and gotten even more at the end of the night. Hell, she could have even stayed in our original arrangement and gotten four times what she stole every single month. And I had enough trust in her and thought I knew her well enough that she would never think of stealing from me. Just one more cautionary tale that sometimes we don't know these girls as well as we think we do. Be on your guard out there![/QUOTE]I related a similar tale some weeks ago. They must be disgusted with the guy they rip off not to go ahead and fuck for an hour / week and score honestly earned change. I'm sure my thief hasn't had a sex partner as kind. Considerate, and handsome as me haha. But seriously, some of these Nando 1s are dirtbags through and through and would rather steal than earn an "honest" wage. The short sightedness just flabbergasts me.

Hmmm, let's do the math. $250 / week =1000 / month ves stealing 200 and running. Stuuuuupid!

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1868587]Man this is a busy weekend. Usually weekends are my time off from mongering. But anyway I just got this from my current favorite baby she is SB5. Very strong contender for ATF status. She is my little girl next door and she has never given me any problems. But she is having money problems. Works two jobs one a professional job but does not pay great. And she lives in a decent place. But she did get a DUI and is dealing with the cost of that. So I get this text today. I have not responded yet. What would you do?

"Hey I hate to ask this, but have a huge favor to ask. Is there anyway I could borrow money from you? I could really use the help and don't know what else to do. I can pay you back next Monday when my paycheck comes thru"

I have a few options.

1. I could just say sorry but I can't.

2. I could say ok I will loan you the money.

3. I could not respond at all.

4. I could say ok I will make it an advance on our next visit. We are currently at 200 per visit. And I have not asked her how much she needs.

5. I could just give her the money.

I am concerned about a few things. She could take the advance or loan and just bolt with it. Forcing me to swallow that and being treated like a chump. Or even forcing me to walk away. If I did give her the money it could be a show of goodwill and helping someone who I like. If I refuse or ignore the request it may damage our relationship which I am concerned about because I do like her a lot.

What you you do.

Revvo[/QUOTE]This has been well covered by the Board but I will re-relate my experience. I have advanced at least 4 girls money who I had seen for over 4 visits each. I got burned on 3/4 of them. One recently I had to cancel on and she was counting on the $ to pay electric. I gave it to her since it was my fault and she was very appreciative when we met soon after. If she asks again I will give it to her. The other recent SB stiffed me and went dark after 5 prior visits in the FC. She gave up $1000 / month in ongoing payments and the pleasure of being fucked well.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869176]I am going to lend / give her the money. I will let you know how it goes. I honestly think she is sincere. And I would not do this for any other baby.

Down the rabbit hole I go.[/QUOTE]So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869863]Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo[/QUOTE]Revvo,

I applaud you helping your baby out like you did. I have done the same from time to time, and never had it backfire. I am concerned, however, about her having your real name now. Let's hope [I]that[/I] doesn't come back to bite you. You could have waited an hour more while she went and got herself a green dot card for four bucks and remained under cover.

Fingers crossed for you,

Scott

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869863]So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo[/QUOTE]You could have mailed a money order (don't know the amount), but she would have to wait a couple days for it to arrive. Funny how these girls not only need money, then need it NOW. It never is as big an emergency as they make it out to be.

But, I would think if she has reached Baby status, then her having your real name is no big deal.

[QUOTE=Marcus Weiner; 1869164]If any of you guys in the DC / Baltimore area are looking to see a little spinner today or tonight, SB4 my Chinese / Russian SB has asked for my help. I was supposed to see her but my ATF, SB1 the late 30's blonde came up and spent the night. She needs $$ and cannot host, but I can assure you she's an awful lot of fun and well worth it!

MW[/QUOTE]I wish I wasn't on the other side of the country. She looks nice.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1869876]Revvo,

I applaud you helping your baby out like you did. I have done the same from time to time, and never had it backfire. I am concerned, however, about her having your real name now. Let's hope [I]that[/I] Doesn't come back to bite you. You could have waited an hour more while she went and got herself a green dot card for four bucks and remained under cover.

Fingers crossed for you,

Scott[/QUOTE]Learned that lesson brother. Should have done that. Will not happen again. You never know what will happen but I am pretty sure regardless of what happens she is not one of the crazy ones.

Once she has a GreenDot card. How do you charge it up. Just go online and put in the number and charge it with your own credit or debit card?

Never used GreenDot before. Where do you get them at?

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869920]Learned that lesson brother. Should have done that. Will not happen again. You never know what will happen but I am pretty sure regardless of what happens she is not one of the crazy ones.

Once she has a GreenDot card. How do you charge it up. Just go online and put in the number and charge it with your own credit or debit card?

Never used GreenDot before. Where do you get them at?

Revvo[/QUOTE][url]Https://www.greendot.com/greendot[/url]

Just did both

1) the thief I sent $200 to via Western Union. It cost $12 and I made up the name. You can provide whatever info you want, just give her the name you used. Mickey Mouse worked fine.

2) Green dot cost me $2.95 plus the money sent. On her end she had to buy a card for $4.95 and put $10 on the card. When you want to send money and she already has a card it's just $2. 95 for you.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1869948]Just did both

1) the thief I sent $200 to via Western Union. It cost $12 and I made up the name. You can provide whatever info you want, just give her the name you used. Mickey Mouse worked fine.

2) Green dot cost me $2. 95 plus the money sent. On her end she had to buy a card for $4. 95 and put $10 on the card. When you want to send money and she already has a card it's just $2. 95 for you.[/QUOTE]I couldn't function without my girls having a greendot card. For regulars only

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1869863]So I did the loan / gift. And made sure she understood that she knew I wanted to help her and was happy to do so. That I never do this. But also that this would not be a common thing. She emphatically agreed. I Wanted to do it in person. But just could not get away. She lives about 45 minutes away.

She has continued to stay in touch with me and shows no indication of bolting. If anything she seems to be getting closer to me.

I used the Western Union through a local supermarket to send the money. And she was extremely grateful and appreciative and promised to show her appreciation on Wednesday when we get together.)

Here is the downside. The Western Union Folks wanted my full contact info, and real name. I never give my real name to my SB until very late in the game. I faked my address but my real name she needed to pick up the money.

Is there a way to send money anonymously? I know about Green Dot but they already have to have a card for that. She did not.

Oh the risks we take.

Revvo[/QUOTE]Last time I went to MB I texted my pro and she was in RIC, of all places. Once I got back home she wanted to meet but my schedule didn't allow. A few days later she texted me asking for .25. Just that, no more. She said she got busted in RIC and didn't have enough to go home. I looked up he mugshot and sure enough, there she was. I went ahead and sent her the money from Walmart with a fake name. I gave her the fake name and security question. Since she didn't have an I'd. She got the money and texted me that she is again home and safe in MB and when can I visit. Well brothers, this weekend sail is heading to MB. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1869970]I couldn't function without my girls having a greendot card. For regulars only[/QUOTE]I bought a money order today at post office and mailed it. No I'd, paid cash. Does take 2 days but totally anonymous. Their fee was $1. 20.

[QUOTE=Magic Rat; 1866452]Lastly, I have to give props to Revvo, who is an old online buddy from a stripper site. We both used to fancy the stripper world and the possibilities there. It appears Revvo has been converted to the Sugar world and seems to be doing quite well. Good for you my man! Obviously I haven't been able to wean myself from that dark place, but I keep trying! Could it have something to do with the local GPS Baby world?

![/QUOTE]Amazing enough brother Rat I just received a surprise text from my first SB who happened to be a stripper I met in a local / famous strip club a couple of years ago. Before I even knew about these sites. She was a the most beautiful one in the club 9/8/7/8 and she managed to get me in a dark corner of the club and proceeded to fuck me for two nuts / orgasms uncovered and she was not on birth control! This started a crazy tempestuous frustrating and expensive SD arrangement that ended when Magic Rat introduced me to this site.

So anyway she wants me to come visit. But I put her off. I am too damn busy with all the other babies to deal with her shit. I literally can fuck three of my current babies for what I paid for one visit with her. And no drama or craziness.

I have learned a lot from this site.

What a ride my brothers. Hold on tight and keep your eyes wide open you don't want to miss a second of it! This has truly been a unique experience.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1870148]Amazing enough brother Rat I just received a surprise text from my first SB who happened to be a stripper I met in a local / famous strip club a couple of years ago. Before I even knew about these sites. She was a the most beautiful one in the club 9/8/7/8 and she managed to get me in a dark corner of the club and proceeded to fuck me for two nuts / orgasms uncovered and she was not on birth control! This started a crazy tempestuous frustrating and expensive SD arrangement that ended when Magic Rat introduced me to this site.

So anyway she wants me to come visit. But I put her off. I am too damn busy with all the other babies to deal with her shit. I literally can fuck three of my current babies for what I paid for one visit with her. And no drama or craziness.

I have learned a lot from this site.

What a ride my brothers. Hold on tight and keep your eyes wide open you don't want to miss a second of it! This has truly been a unique experience.

Be careful out there.

Revvo[/QUOTE]Tell her you can't wait to see her. Let her know you upped your game and now the going rate is (whatever you say). You got nothing to lose. If she was ever into you at all, now you"ll know for sure.

[QUOTE=Graham1;1869999]I bought a money order today at post office and mailed it. No I'd, paid cash. Does take 2 days but totally anonymous. Their fee was $1. 20.[/QUOTE]That is old school!

I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1870536]I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Very clever idea Mike, but I do see one snag. Be careful propositioning random girls for money. What we do is a fine line anyway but if a DUI victim is not of the SB persuasion she might tell somebody like a parent. At least on the SB sites or CL girls are already in that mindset and willing to take the plunge to the dark side.

I was text-ing an 18 yr old from SA about a M&G and got a text back later from her mother telling me that she will call the cops if I ever contacted her again. The girl contacted me a month or two later asking for a M&G. I did not remember the number since I erased it but when she sent me a picture I said that I heard from her Mother. She said don't worry about it since she hides her phone. Yikes! I said thanks but no thanks. We don't think about 3rd parties who might get involved.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1870536]I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Not the traditional approach, but who cares. Keep your Modus Operandi as stealthy as possible (seems we all tend to lean that way anyway) and have some fun with it.

Kudos!

I usually stay away from under 21. I also approach as a semi dating benefactor relationship. If they ask what that is then I will go into more detail. But emphasize it is a semi dating situation. I usually try to work with girls that may not of been an SB before. But do approach delicately.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1870546]Very clever idea Mike, but I do see one snag. Be careful propositioning random girls for money. What we do is a fine line anyway but if a DUI victim is not of the SB persuasion she might tell somebody like a parent. At least on the SB sites or CL girls are already in that mindset and willing to take the plunge to the dark side.

I was text-ing an 18 yr old from SA about a M&G and got a text back later from her mother telling me that she will call the cops if I ever contacted her again. The girl contacted me a month or two later asking for a M&G. I did not remember the number since I erased it but when she sent me a picture I said that I heard from her Mother. She said don't worry about it since she hides her phone. Yikes! I said thanks but no thanks. We don't think about 3rd parties who might get involved.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963; 1870536]I had a score a few weeks ago. Do not know if you guys have Crime Times in your city but here is what I accomplished. I would pick up the mag on occasion. It's only $1. And look through. Would see folks at times that I have met or known on one manner or another. I noticed that there was usually some cutie on the DUI page. You know. Likely a party girl who got tagged driving late on a party night. So my natural predatory / hunting instincts kicked in. FYI. I do not care how good we are to our SB's. We are ALL predators. I have a fake FB profile so would search them on FB. As their real name is provided in the mag. Sent some friend requests out. Knowing they are young and lets face it. A DUI is not cheap. Message out that I am looking for a lady benefactor and if they would have an interest. Voilla. I hit one! Have met FC twice. She has a BF. Not sure how long it will last but it is fun for now. And this may be a fertile hunting ground. What do you guys think? [/QUOTE]I love it, met a girl paying some fines at the police dept, I told her I could help her if she could help me, explained my wife was a little sick and wasn't up to some tasks at home and I didn't want to go looking on BP. I didn't even have to finish and she said thank you, you are so nice. Lasted 4 times her bill was paid after 2 times. She was 24 iwas 55.

So in the never ending quest to control the significant costs of this wonderful hobby. I noticed that the cost of a three pack of condoms at the local CVS / Walgreens is an exhorbitant $7. 80. Never really paid much attention to this because it was a small amount. But I started to do the math and it was costing me around $60. 00 per month just for these convenient 3 packs of rubbers! Too much I say. Hell I could get a vasectomy for the cost of 9 months of condoms. So I noticed that at Walmart they are less than half the cost for the same item. But even better I was the large forty pack. It was only an astounding $10. 00 at Walmart! Hell it would take me about two months to go through that many. This really adds up.

Anyway it got me thinking of how much money I am saving vs when I first started. It is significant. And I am getting at least three times as much pussy as before. Check out this comparison between my first SB and today. 10 months later.

First SB:

Sugar: 400.

Hotel: 95. 00 (she liked expensive restaurants and she drank a lot)

Meal / Drinks: 85.

Condoms: 7. 70.

Total: 587. 70.

Major hassle always something coming up or drama or hitting me up for more money which I never gave her. She was gorgeous but not ATF material.

Current SB's:

Sugar: 150.

Hotel: 0.

Meal / Drinks: Sometimes 25 (sometimes nothing)

Condoms: 1. 20.

Total: 176. 20.

Freedom from hassle: Priceless!

Damn that is a big difference. I would have never imagined this at the beginning. Pays to really understand what your expenses are.

Revvo

I usually don't update on POTS. Its like at work when an agency tells me they are going to have something awesome in a week or two. Great. Tell me then. I only care about the here and now. But I get it. So here goes.

Sad to say I am going to have to break up with my 19 year old little princess. It's been six months and the sex just isn't what I was hoping for. So instead of just telling her goodbye and leaving her clueless (my usual m. o.). I tried to talk to her about it. It wasn't a mistake but its not going to change anything. The spontaneity just isn't there. Or the skills.

Its sad because she is such a looker. There are very few non GPS girls in her league. A few amazing romps in 6 months just doesn't cut it. I"ll try to see her once or twice a month, but I doubt that will work after finding her replacement. At this point she is a 10/10/8/6

POT 1. An 18 year old latina beauty school student. Works part time doing hair. We are having lunch tomorrow just to lay eyes on each other. Maybe a 7/8/8/?. She dropped off the site after a week. Not dating anyone.

POT 2. A 27 year old AA beauty. Spinner body. Full time job and goes to school at night for her B. A. Maybe a 9/9/9/?. She dropped off the site after 3 days. No meeting set up. Just trying to warm her up. Not dating anyone,

POT 3. A 20 year old mixed AA / white bi spinner and her dark spinner AA GF that I did a M&G with a year ago. I went to see them ostensibly to hit the FC at their place. I got there and they said we had to get a room. I declined as the total damage would have been $$$ and set up a meeting for later in the week. A week later the mixed one calls me and says she wants to fuck me right now. I just came back home from doin my SB at the time and declined again. That failed as the mixed one suddenly moved back to N California for health reasons. I sent her a $ because I felt sorry for her and then lost touch with her. Suddenly she pops up today, says she moved back to L. A. And asks me over. I will probably see her Thursday to see if the chemistry is still there. Maybe a 8/8/8/?. She just went back on the site today. She is very adventurous in every way. This might work.

POT 4. A 23 year old petite latina. Been on the site for about 2 weeks. I originally thought she was a UTR girl, but after a lot of txting I see she is just a hopeful but discouraged wannabe SB. Full time job and lives not too close by. Maybe a 7/8/8/?. Not sure of her dating status.

POT 2 seems closest to my ideal in looks and probably skills. So I am slowly getting something going. Still got my 2 regulars. They love me and are not going anywhere except to the FC whenever I want.

Just curious how many of you swordsmen are using Craigslist and having success. I have a couple of ads that work pretty damn well, I don't get dozens of replies unless you count the spam, but I do get quality replies. Testing ad types and wording has taught me a few things.

Tips.

1. Use verbiage that says "I can help" in an ad title that says something along the lines of Bills Suck. By far my most responded to ad.

2. Mentioning that you are looking for a sugar baby will often get your ad flagged.

3. Think outside the box. Casual encounters are full of leeches and SPAM magnets, talent gigs is not.

[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1871410]Just curious how many of you swordsmen are using Craigslist and having success. I have a couple of ads that work pretty damn well, I don't get dozens of replies unless you count the spam, but I do get quality replies. Testing ad types and wording has taught me a few things.

Tips.

1. Use verbiage that says "I can help" in an ad title that says something along the lines of Bills Suck. By far my most responded to ad.

2. Mentioning that you are looking for a sugar baby will often get your ad flagged.

3. Think outside the box. Casual encounters are full of leeches and SPAM magnets, talent gigs is not.[/QUOTE]Great advice man. I have been considering using CL but did not know where to start. There seems to be some wild shit on Casual Encounters, W4M. What is Talent Gigs?

How long is your ad? Do you post a pic? Is it of yourself? Do you ask for pics right off? Do you have an offer in your ad? How much are you spending for a visit?

Thanks for the info.

Revvo

I met a current regular with no sugar requirements via CL. Like everything, including the SB sites, it is hit or miss. I have met a couple of pretty good babies on there, and I've met a couple that were "one and done". Typically the pricing is much better with CL babies. No sugar is probably an exception, but I live in a GPS area for SBs and the sugar for CL babies has been in the $100-$150 range. Like Wood, I've had no luck in the casual encounters section so I post in the men looking for women section. I agree the use of the word "help" is, well, helpful. You can do a search for "I can help" or "mutually beneficial" or other terms to get wording others have used. I'm not proud. I will steal good verbiage anytime. Just another source in our never ending search.

[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1871410]Just curious how many of you swordsmen are using Craigslist and having success. I have a couple of ads that work pretty damn well, I don't get dozens of replies unless you count the spam, but I do get quality replies. Testing ad types and wording has taught me a few things.

Tips.

1. Use verbiage that says "I can help" in an ad title that says something along the lines of Bills Suck. By far my most responded to ad.

2. Mentioning that you are looking for a sugar baby will often get your ad flagged.

3. Think outside the box. Casual encounters are full of leeches and SPAM magnets, talent gigs is not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1871477]Great advice man. I have been considering using CL but did not know where to start. There seems to be some wild shit on Casual Encounters, W4M. What is Talent Gigs?

How long is your ad? Do you post a pic? Is it of yourself? Do you ask for pics right off? Do you have an offer in your ad? How much are you spending for a visit?

Thanks for the info.

Revvo[/QUOTE]No pic is posted in the ad, I do not make offers in the ad, I do ask for pics in their response, and to write something in the subject line that the spam bots won't catch. Once we exchange pics and they see I am normal. Negotiations commence if I can find them by their email on facebook. I try to keep costs around $ per visit. Some girls want more and if they are hot enough I have offered up to $200 per session. The session usually lasts 2-3 hours in a mid range hotel.

One girl was quite the adventurous type, kayaking with me into the middle of Clearwater harbor and fucking me bareback, in the water, with jet skis zipping all around the little island we paddled out to.

Talent gigs can be found on the front page of CL, lower right side. Under the jobs section. I use Casual encounters too, but that is a SPAM magnet, count on getting 15 shit replies to every legit response you might get. Ad wording is critical to get them to respond. You will also get the Pros that are posing as a potential suitor.

Good luck out there

Hello fellow adventurers! I've now been casually wading around in your well hunted waters for about a month. I've got one HCB firmly in the SB category and I really like her. She's cute and smart and incredibly normal. I'd give her straight 9s. Thank you all for this encyclopedia of how to get incredibly hot young pussy for next to nothing. This is the best thing ever.

I thought about just sticking to the one girl because she really is quite amazing in every way. Nando 6 maybe, but I don't dare call that out after only one of these relationships. But, long story short, I decided I want some other young pussy. Call me crazy.

So I was texting with this girl who is a student at Indiana U and I thought I'd ask the group how they would negotiate the following situation from here.

Me: So are you still looking to earn some extra money?

Her: Yes! I wondered why you didn't respond! .

Me: No apologies necessary! Let me know when you can be back in town for an evening so we can hang out.

Her: Well actually I don't mind driving up if you don't mind paying.

Me: How much seems fair to just get straight to business? No sense beating around the Bush!

Her: Gas, meeting half way would be great as well. A little something extra guaranteed for the trip though. Its a long way to drive for nothing, I'm sure you understand.

Me: Name what is fair to you. I want you to be all in.

Her: Well it depends on what we do.

Me: I want to fuck you. You are very pretty and very cool. And I want to fuck you.

Her: Mmmm. Well it's 900 for that.

Me: Well there is no way we are even going to get close to that.

Her: I'm sorry.

Me: That is what I am paying per month for a girl who is literally a fashion model. If you have someone doing that for you then hang on to him!

Me: I'm sorry too.

Me: If you change your mind and want a steady $1, 000 a month please don't lose my number!

Her: For how many meets?

Me: Once a week.

Her: That's only 250 a meet no way.

Me: That is what the prettiest girls are asking so I don't know what guys you have met? What arrangements have you had so far?

Her: You're extremely insulting. I'm gorgeous and if you're trying to say otherwise just to talk me down forget it. I really thought you were a nicer guy than that.

Her: And trying to lie and say you're new at this when you've clearly been at it for awhile.

Her: I would do 500 but seriously no less. 300 for no intimacy.

Me: I have met one person and that's it but I've talked to a lot. I'm not tying to insult you and I would never do so. That's not me.

Her: Well just for future reference, you're not going to get very far talking about how much prettier other women are. I've been offered 10, 000 a month when all I did was go to dinner with the guy. I'm really not joking. And the reason I said no was because he was extremely creepy nd made me feel like a piece of meat. And he investigated my personal life and it was freaking me out. So sorry 250 isn't even close and I'm worth a lot more.

Her: Especially when I'd have to drive to Indy all the time.

Me: Ok. I truly did not mean to offend you. I wasn't comparing your looks. I hope you don't have to hang out with some creeps! We are just not on the same page which is sad. Maybe someday we will be!

Her: I'll settle for 450 but this makes me pretty sad.

End.

So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?

Having now read almost all of the pages of this subf-orum I have jumped in with both feet. I have had pretty good luck in a short period with three attractive ones, and have a regular SB for the cost of the room and taking care of her minor problems for less than a bill a visit. A couple of the others have been 150 for fun but they are less dependable. But I am finding it really funny that it is the marginal girls that are asking 4-6 benjis and getting bent when you say no way.

They have all had criminal records. But they have all been better than the BP girls hands down and my regular is ahead of my better escort experiences for a lot less money.

Do the experienced hands make an offer first or ask the ladies if they have something in mind? I have been using the later approach but it leads to a long email dance that most disappear in the middle of before I can get them to agree to a meet and greet. I am open to suggestions.

[QUOTE=Nostra3; 1871730]Hello fellow adventurers! I've now been casually wading around in your well hunted waters for about a month. I've got one HCB firmly in the SB category and I really like her. She's cute and smart and incredibly normal. I'd give her straight 9s. Thank you all for this e.

So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?[/QUOTE]Agree to 450, pay her 250. If she does not ask for the money before the deed, then just have 250 in 10s in an envelope. If she asks, tell her 1/2 at the beginning and 1/2 at the end. Giver her the 225 upfront and skip out after it is over.

Either way, I would avoid altogether. Sounds like chemistry will be bad. For a trophy fuck, it is better to pay for a well viewed professional.

BT

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1871774]Agree to 450, pay her 250. If she does not ask for the money before the deed, then just have 250 in 10s in an envelope. If she asks, tell her 1/2 at the beginning and 1/2 at the end. Giver her the 225 upfront and skip out after it is over.

Either way, I would avoid altogether. Sounds like chemistry will be bad. For a trophy fuck, it is better to pay for a well viewed professional.

BT[/QUOTE]Total agreement, there's better for less. Stay the course and fuck a has been, 23 yo porn starlet that will treat you way better. For less.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1871774]Agree to 450, pay her 250. If she does not ask for the money before the deed, then just have 250 in 10s in an envelope. If she asks, tell her 1/2 at the beginning and 1/2 at the end. Giver her the 225 upfront and skip out after it is over.

Either way, I would avoid altogether. Sounds like chemistry will be bad. For a trophy fuck, it is better to pay for a well viewed professional.

BT[/QUOTE]I agree that this is a lost cause, and nothing good will come of it. Move on to the next, Nostra. There will be many, many more in your future, and you need to accept that frustration and lost opportunities are part of the game. If you've read the Journal, you know that these babies often throw out a high number just to see what might happen, but it seems to me that your back-and-forth has degraded to the point of non-salvageable. Pull her profile up on your laptop and take care of things yourself, if you catch my drift. It will be waaay cheaper, and just as "personal".

Tigg, I never figured you for a fuck-and-duck kind of guy LOL! Were you just trying to suggest that he teach this baby a lesson?

Be proud,

Scott

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1871774]Agree to 450, pay her 250. If she does not ask for the money before the deed, then just have 250 in 10s in an envelope. If she asks, tell her 1/2 at the beginning and 1/2 at the end. Giver her the 225 upfront and skip out after it is over.

Either way, I would avoid altogether. Sounds like chemistry will be bad. For a trophy fuck, it is better to pay for a well viewed professional.

BT[/QUOTE]Ducking out could land you in hot water. You do not want a scene if she is a cash counter, and she sounds like she might be an UTR or Pro. If she gets a gander at your license plate you don't need the heat. Offer her your bottom line and put it back on her. She will be gone anyway and I would be shocked if you hear back.

Keep looking.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1871815]Offer her your bottom line and put it back on her. I would be shocked if you hear back.

Keep looking.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.

Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.

Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!

Close to the red line,

Scott

[QUOTE=Nostra3;1871730]So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?[/QUOTE]Have you actually met this girl? I wouldn't want to commit to much of anything (maybe gas money or lunch) without seeing who I'm dealing with. Let's say you meet and she's as hot as you think, but is a cold fish. Now you've wasted 450, the hotel and all your time. Meeting isn't foolproof, but you can tell if there is some sort of chemistry.

[QUOTE=Nostra3;1871730]So, we have here an obvious case of GPS. Side note: which of you pervs informed her (correctly) that she is a piece of meat? Here's the thing. I really want to fuck this girl. She's really hot. How would you negotiate from here?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't. Waste of time

[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1871410]Just curious how many of you swordsmen are using Craigslist and having success. I have a couple of ads that work pretty damn well, I don't get dozens of replies unless you count the spam, but I do get quality replies. Testing ad types and wording has taught me a few things.

Tips.

1. Use verbiage that says "I can help" in an ad title that says something along the lines of Bills Suck. By far my most responded to ad.

2. Mentioning that you are looking for a sugar baby will often get your ad flagged.

3. Think outside the box. Casual encounters are full of leeches and SPAM magnets, talent gigs is not.[/QUOTE]I too had a few nice pick ups on CL. Typically the HYM types. I still occasionally throw a few ads out there to see who response. 80% of the time is spam, and 15% of the time are girls that I would not be interested in. That 5% does make it worth it sometimes.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1870830]So in the never ending quest to control the significant costs of this wonderful hobby. I noticed that the cost of a three pack of condoms at the local CVS / Walgreens is an exhorbitant $7. 80. Never really paid much attention to this because it was a small amount. But I started to do the math and it was costing me around $60. 00 per month just for these convenient 3 packs of rubbers! Too much I say. Hell I could get a vasectomy for the cost of 9 months of condoms. So I noticed that at Walmart they are less than half the cost for the same item. But even better I was the large forty pack. It was only an astounding $10. 00 at Walmart! Hell it would take me about two months to go through that many. This really adds up.[/QUOTE]My friend, let me introduce to this place call Amazon dot com. I usually pick up up a 100 pack from them for less than $15. I only use the OKAMOTO brands. Super thin and fit really well. Hey, I am not lucky enough to carry a magnum around in my boxer like most of you guys. .

The only concern to ordering online is you just hope that your SO won't be the one opening up the package. Lucky for me, my SO never bothers with mails. Even if we have a few packages sitting right on the front door.

That's only 15 cents per rubber, a significant savings. The only time I ever picked up a rubber from the drug store is because I ran out and my order didn't come on time.

With some of you guys having multiple SBs in the rotation and meeting them 2-3 times a week, with multiple pops per meet. The math is on your side.

This one takes the cake, first time a religoous zealot responded to an ad. Response to ad.

"The pictures you requested". GOD.

Seal of Jezebel The working girl. Israel Museum.

[url]http://www.formerthings.com/jezebel.htm[/url]

Fornicators. Video Ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[url]http://isaiah666.com/sodom_gomorrah.htm[/url]

'Whoremongers and fornicators shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death' – Revelation 21.

'The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe the gospel. If you do not repent you will die in your sins' – Jesus.

"Fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire'. Jude.

Wow.

Guess we are all doomed to the lake of fire, I hope Johnny Cash is there and they let me sit in on stand up bass.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1872114]My friend, let me introduce to this place call Amazon dot com. I usually pick up up a 100 pack from them for less than $15. I only use the OKAMOTO brands. Super thin and fit really well. Hey, I am not lucky enough to carry a magnum around in my boxer like most of you guys. .

The only concern to ordering online is you just hope that your SO won't be the one opening up the package. Lucky for me, my SO never bothers with mails. Even if we have a few packages sitting right on the front door.

That's only 15 cents per rubber, a significant savings. The only time I ever picked up a rubber from the drug store is because I ran out and my order didn't come on time.

With some of you guys having multiple SBs in the rotation and meeting them 2-3 times a week, with multiple pops per meet. The math is on your side.[/QUOTE]Where the hell do you hide 100 condoms?

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1871857]I wouldn't contact her again, personally. The Bowl is not about begging, it's about finding a mutual comfort level. If you do bargain her down, she will resent it, and at best just spread her legs and lie there. Sounds a lot like those blow up dolls they sell at porn shops. No thanks.

Second scenario: you enter into a protracted and increasingly bitter text war with her, resulting in No Pussy Access anyway, but you have just wasted time in your life that you will never get back, and which could have been better spent wooing the next SB in line. Move on, my man, and consider it your first lesson. It won't be your last, I promise you. I see this as a lose / lose scenario, honestly. We have all been there, but the goal of the Journal is to help newbies get up to speed faster. Well, and also to relate some excellent stories.

Speaking of which, I had a very interesting experience at my bikram yoga class this morning, which I would love to relate, but don't have quite enough time before my SO docks to fully craft. Here are some hints: hot Asian spinner teacher in a sweat-soaked shortie unitard, looking at a fully-extended Scottie in bike shorts, then into my eyes and smiling. My head is swimming, but I don't know if I have the balls to pull it off. My real name is in their computer, but good heavens she is hot. And talk about flexible!

Close to the red line,

Scott[/QUOTE]Thanks, Gents. Good advice. I have her on ignore and will keep hunting.

Scott, I hope you get that yoga girl. That would be monumental and we'd all love to hear the blow-by-blow.