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[QUOTE=Chiguy606;1455171]To be perfectly honest, after my last experience, I am VERY much looking forward to an innocent flirtatious encounter with a self sustaining, cute, responsible potential baby whom I have not yet seen high resolution images of her genetalia.[/QUOTE]Well, there's no harm in a little innocent companionship I guess. I hope you get to explore her genitalia in the flesh before too long. Let us know how it goes.
[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;1454928]I had a vasectomy years ago, and would recommend to all. Prevents even the hint of a problem. And you can tell her she does not need it with you.[/QUOTE]Its best to use condoms if you have multiple sex partners.
A buddy of mine in the area I had fun last week is trying SA after I posted stuff to him. He was put off by the large $$$ girls were after per month.
I think it is worth saying that there are 2 types of SBs (discounting the hookers and UTRs) that use the SA site.
1. SBs like Mandy who are long term (and expensive REAL SBs)
2. SBs who are not capable of long term SD relationship, or the area that they live just does not have that type of SD with those type of incomes.
This latter type of SB is generally trying to supplement their income with some extra sugar, but does NOT want to think she is selling her body!
So. I copy here the advice to my friend who wants to fish locally in southern country area (and other applicable areas) :
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OK. Here is how to use SA locally:
1. Put your income and wealth conservatively. Don't show off. Then they think they can get part of it.
2. Everything is a trial. You never want to commit to ANYTHING monthly until after you know them. You and I know that after 2-3 fucks you are going to move on anyway! This way way you just pay to play. Because it is through SA, they can clean their conscience that they are not being a prostitute, where in reality they just did!
3. Payment. Keep it under $$ for just about ANYBODY in (xx- redacted.xxx) area. They will think they are rolling in it! If they don't fuck well or their personality tells you to never see them again. Don't pay more than $.2 or less.
4. Always follow up afterwards, even if it is say "sorry" there is just not the chemistry for a long term thing. (think out for others of us that may follow. Keep the game going)
5. Remember, MOST of these girls think they are looking for a long term SD, keep that allusion! The ones that are hookers or UTR girls using SA to recruit clients you will spot right away. Always google their # once you get it. Any that demand knowing sugar payments up-front. Move on!
6. Spread the net wide and see what happens. Search every week for the new profiles. They are the most eager to meet.
Have fun.
Guy.
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I hope this is useful to others.
Happy fishing.
Guy
"No Safe Sex Complaints Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment."
Just a heads up. Bad pun I know!
[QUOTE=Literal2;1455412]Its best to use condoms if you have multiple sex partners.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GuyWoodson; 1455483]"No Safe Sex Complaints Forum Members wishing to criticize other Members for not following what they consider to be safe sex procedures may do so only in the Safe Sex Thread. Members may not comment upon, criticize or confront other members on this subject in the general discussion threads. Any such "safe sex complaints" posted in the general discussion threads will be deleted without comment."
Just a heads up. Bad pun I know![/QUOTE]Noted.
I always use condoms when I have multiple sex partners because it protects me and the women from STDs.
Another interesting checklist by the Woodman.
Many thanks.
[QUOTE=GuyWoodson; 1455478]A buddy of mine in the area I had fun last week is trying SA after I posted stuff to him. He was put off by the large $$$ girls were after per month.
I think it is worth saying that there are 2 types of SBs (discounting the hookers and UTRs) that use the SA site.
1. SBs like Mandy who are long term (and expensive REAL SBs)
2. SBs who are not capable of long term SD relationship, or the area that they live just does not have that type of SD with those type of incomes.
This latter type of SB is generally trying to supplement their income with some extra sugar, but does NOT want to think she is selling her body!
So. I copy here the advice to my friend who wants to fish locally in southern country area (and other applicable areas) :
==========================
OK. Here is how to use SA locally:
1. Put your income and wealth conservatively. Don't show off. Then they think they can get part of it.
2. Everything is a trial. You never want to commit to ANYTHING monthly until after you know them. You and I know that after 2-3 fucks you are going to move on anyway! This way way you just pay to play. Because it is through SA, they can clean their conscience that they are not being a prostitute, where in reality they just did!
3. Payment. Keep it under $$ for just about ANYBODY in (xx- redacted. Xxx) area. They will think they are rolling in it! If they don't fuck well or their personality tells you to never see them again. Don't pay more than $.2 or less.
4. Always follow up afterwards, even if it is say "sorry" there is just not the chemistry for a long term thing. (think out for others of us that may follow. Keep the game going)
5. Remember, MOST of these girls think they are looking for a long term SD, keep that allusion! The ones that are hookers or UTR girls using SA to recruit clients you will spot right away. Always google their # once you get it. Any that demand knowing sugar payments up-front. Move on!
6. Spread the net wide and see what happens. Search every week for the new profiles. They are the most eager to meet.
Have fun.
Guy.
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I hope this is useful to others.
Happy fishing.
Guy[/QUOTE]I agree with most of this.
As to the two types of SBs, I think the first type is extremely close to being a real GF or alternatively a high end escort. You care for her, give her gifts, etc. If you get attached to her emotionally, it will undermine your marriage. If you aren't married and you have a LT p4p relationship, well, maybe you are just smarter than the rest of us. (But watch out for the common law marriage rules in your state.) There are plenty of high end escorts who invite LT relationships too. I realize many innocent young things believe this is the kind of relationship they will get as an SB but GW's point that after 2-3 fucks most of us move on is indeed reality.
The how to do it list is consistent with what I have evolved over time, over multiple states, except the sugar amount. If you are older, you probably need to increase the sugar ration (or the age of the sbs.) Maybe I overpay, but I am always confident of being welcomed back for another session. For me, not committing to anything means I explain up front that we don't know how we are going to get on until we get it on, and I don't promise anything more than one upcoming return visit.
With a very young woman (like 22) , I sit down with her when we first meet and explain I am taken and will never marry her, and that I can't support her but will enjoy giving her nice gifts when I see her. Sometimes I ask,"Why do you want to do this?" One answer I got was "I don't want a long term relationship right now and there's less chance of emotional involvement with an older man." Another was, so help me,"A lot of men my age are gay."
[QUOTE=G George;1454885]Well on SB1: I suddenly getting the green signal to have overnight with me. Also, the demand for Sugar is there. Initially for full but after talking to her, she was ok to split the monthly into 2. Now qn is. What is this means. I may just take a leap at SB1 and see what happens.[/QUOTE]One thing it means is that she seems to believe you want to spend a whole night with her.
"Splitting the monthly into 2": this indicates you expect at least two sessions during the month. Are you up for spending two whole nights with a sb? I think most of us expect most sessions to be more like the one you had with your sb2, a few hours at most. Especially if you are multifucking. But I'm interested to see what happens.
We've all done it on occasion, but it's best not to give out the sugar until you have actually fucked the girl. Fewer disappointments.
I'm sure there are other valid opinions as well. In any case, good luck.
[QUOTE=Literal2;1455548]I think most of us expect most sessions to be more like the one you had with your sb2, a few hours at most.[/QUOTE]Hum, I actually hate the just a few hours thing. That combined with the P2P and it really did just come too close to being an escort for me. I was spoiled in the beginning though with my first SD who would would visit my area for 2-3 nights at a time. I would stay with him the entire time he was in town and it was amazingly fantastic.
With Memories it was very clear that an overnight was expected since he stays downtown a couple of times each week. I spend one night a week with him and on other nights his different playthings visit. I do know I'm the only one he sees on a weekly basis.
Then, with The Doctor, I travel to another state to visit him so I am there at least one if not two nights. Speaking of which I just got my plane ticket to go visit next weekend and I'm very excited!
Again, I think this is one of those things that requires you to know your goal from this world. If it's a random couple of times hook-up, just a few hours works. If you want something more. Eventually an overnight is in your future and it's something you'll very much be looking forward to by the time it comes.
Mandy
[QUOTE=Literal2; 1455515] I realize many innocent young things believe this is the kind of relationship they will get as an SB but GW's point that after 2-3 fucks most of us move on is indeed reality.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I just play in a different part of the Sugar world, but this isn't the case with myself or with a number of the SBs I talk to. We've all had a number of longer-term experiences. I don't mean to always contradict you Literal, I just want to ensure that a fair picture of the world is created.
Yes, it does border on the "real girl friend" scenario and in fact that's how The Doctor (who isn't married) refers to me. But, as long as everyone can keep their brains in check and the lines drawn where necessary then you can enjoy an additional caring relationship that enhances your world.
Just something to think about,
Mandy
As you all have probably gathered from my posts, almost all of my encounters with my SB for over a year have been overnights (ONs) I know most married guys cannot manage that degree of freedom.
I evolved from an escort / PTP 1 hour at a time lifestyle to a true SD relationship and I love it! The key component is that you have an attraction for your SB beyond climaxing. Those of you who are seeing Nando 1s or borderlines will not want to ON, for fear that your liver might be missing the next AM. I crave the feeling of an IRL relationship and longer term visits are the way to do it. Until you change your mindset and / or get a SB who you actually are fond of you will stay in that escort mentality. Our friend Guy has been brilliantly successful in lining up lower cost SBs. And many want an escort.like relationship for less money and lower volume than the going rate. Nothing is wrong with that, we each have our own way to go.
Literal wisely said " If you get attached to her emotionally, it will undermine your marriage." And therein lies the risk of an IRL- like arrangement. It's easy to feel like it is the real thing.
Everybody have a great weekend! I have 2 straight days and nights with my SB WooHoo! Nando
Nando, I take it you are unmarried and paying for dates with girls you find on SA. If that's what you are doing, Why not? I see no problem with that. I remember when you came into the thread and explained you had been fucking literally hundreds of women and clearly weren't satisfied. It sounds like you have found happiness dating sugarbabies more or less as you would date any girl.
Mandy, you have a female's view of these matters which is to be expected. I hope your relationships keep working for you. Personally, I don't believe the relationships you describe are the norm for sbs or that many girls are happy for long being one of several women that their boyfriend is dating or married to. But: I could be wrong, there are thousands upon thousands of men and women looking for each other on the sites and they are all unique.
As far as attached older men looking for NSA sex with young women goes, the emergence of online sb-sd websites has been a godsend. There's no need to get all tangled up with a girl just because you want to fuck her, and you don't have to deal with the escort services and streetwalkers. Plus you can fuck as many young women as you want. There's a fair number of men on here looking for this kind of opportunity for sex and to share their experiences in how to go about it.
[QUOTE=SbabyBlog;1454349]Literal - I don't think the need for Money makes someone a Nando 1. Using myself as an example, I'm the furthest thing from it but being in an expensive graduate program has certainly created said need for me.**** Oh! And for an update on a nice surprise last night. Memories took me shoe shopping! His dance lesson was very early in the afternoon **** he goes, "I want to take you shopping and I'm thinking it should be for shoes." *** since moving here I haven't bought any new heels **** I picked out two beige pair perfect for summer*** this was a gift on top of my regular allowance**** Memories has always given me the full allowance up front. **** Time to head to spin class,[/QUOTE]This is what I mean by the female point of view. I love women, but imagine listening to this all night.
Mandy, I don't mean to be cruel. I'll bet you are fantastic in every way and obviously very smart. You are for sure going to be a big success in life. But Sweetie, this is a forum for men who want to have sex with women. We aren't into shoes that much. You and your girlfriends are welcome to read all our comments and go ahead and post if you want to, but you are from Venus and we are from Mars.
Gustav Holst could not have said it better. My smile for the weekend!
[QUOTE=Literal2; 1455830]This is what I mean by the female point of view. I love women, but imagine listening to this all night.
Mandy, I don't mean to be cruel. I'll bet you are fantastic in every way and obviously very smart. You are for sure going to be a big success in life. But Sweetie, this is a forum for men who want to have sex with women. We aren't into shoes that much. You and your girlfriends are welcome to read all our comments and go ahead and post if you want to, but you are from Venus and we are from Mars.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Literal2; 1455830]This is what I mean by the female point of view. I love women, but imagine listening to this all night.
Mandy, I don't mean to be cruel. I'll bet you are fantastic in every way and obviously very smart. You are for sure going to be a big success in life. But Sweetie, this is a forum for men who want to have sex with women. We aren't into shoes that much. You and your girlfriends are welcome to read all our comments and go ahead and post if you want to, but you are from Venus and we are from Mars.[/QUOTE]Lit, I think you're out of line with this. It seems like an unprovoked, and unwarranted, cheap shot. Things have changed on this thread since you started it, and I think for the better. Many of the brothers feel that Mandy is a valuable, and valued, contributor, both on the forum and back-channel. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but this just seems mean-spirited and bullying.
Scott
[QUOTE=Literal2;1455830]but imagine listening to this all night.[/QUOTE]Literal, I've contemplated about responding to this or not but I decided sure I'll cave and take the school yard bully up on his fight. Here's the thing, while yes I wrote that memories took me shoe shopping I did so just to share an example of the presents my SD provides for me. Which is something that MANY of the guys here have asked me about. I'm glad that you were able to see the comment for what it was on the surface. Next time, read a little deeper.
The point was simply that in addition to my allowance and unprompted by my asking he volunteered to take me shopping for shoes. While I'm certain this act is appalling in your mind. I mean why would an SD volunteer to spend more than he had to in order to bed me. In my sugar world, this is normal behavior for an SD. The way I write and the information I share (the SB perspective) was immensely welcomed on this board until your return.
Now, you are right on one thing, I am smart. I've had the opportunity to study online communities at length. If I apply theory here it explains that this community has evolved to a much broader world than you originally intended. It has really become more about being a sugar daddy than it is about guys having sex.
From the sociological observer point of view it seems you've come back to the board, noticed this transition and want to lash out at me in order to reclaim your throne as ruler. Unfortunately, you picked someone who is just a little to assertive to roll over and say. "oh, your right I'll shut up now." You should come to terms with the fact that what is typical of online communities has happened here. Its norms for behavior have shifted. Your opinion of this world is no longer the primary dominating theme and others are enjoying something completely different than what you want to promulgate as the "sugar lifestyle". While your opinion is still valid and you have vital information to share, your perspective is not the experience that many of the men here are enjoying and seeking to pursue.
It seems that Nando, Scott, myself, and many others have spoiled your board filled with random fuck stories but you should accept that we are helping other readers find that long term arrangement they're looking for. Again, I know the thought of that is just appalling to you.
I think there's plenty of space on here to share experiences and talk about the sugar world that we enjoy. You and I are clearly on opposite ends of the spectrum so we will disagree on experiences, tactics, and information being shared. That's just how it's going to be. I'm not going anywhere, nor will my writing change. I've received a number of encouraging PMs since your post so clearly some of the guys like my writing. Deal with it.
Mandy