Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=CharmingBlake; 1888605]Being you stood me up because I asked you to grab me a soda to fill in the 2 minute delay I needed to finish getting ready being you were hanging out in the hallway before I gave you the "ok" to come up! Then texted me saying there was shady shit in the hallway (which, in my defense, was the road crew called into town for the big job here in ky) yet you clearly were only looking out for yourself and I cannot operate that way. It's a 2 way street, we have each others back. I simply stated to you that I would respectfully decline to try again in the future for that reason only. I made all of this clear the day it happened which is why it's hard for me to swallow your negative criticism towards me. Briant I can see if I had a track record of any such behavior or if I ever had "shady" things happen before but I haven't. I worked hard, still continue to work hard for positive review's for my viewer's to fall back on so they can be certain of my signature plus reputation. Nobody is "circle jerking" amongst themselves? This is me and you and my right to defend myself from false allegation's!

If I offended you in any way, I apologize. But I stick to my gun's when it comes to working as a team and clearly you were not. Thank you for your time.

Take care, Blake[/QUOTE]Blake you're mistaking me with someone else, and yes you have a good track record. I only posted what happened between us a while ago, many people have posted positive reviews of you. I don't know what your talking about in regards to a soda or hallway or anything, I never gave you my USA handle. When I communicated with you it was before you were on the USA guide.

[QUOTE=EloquentEven; 1888637]Maybe people define GFE differently than I do. My definition is Girl Friend Experience. Basically the same thing your GF would do. Kissing. DATY. BBBJ (BB is the important part and for most Cim is also ).

Since you say you are curious, as I am also. It is evident to me that many people have extremely different views on GFE and PSE. I am in agreement with you as far as that goes. I have asked several ladies who post both services what the difference was; meaning besides the monetary issue of $50 to $100. I have been told that GFE does not include DFK, that GFE does not include DATY, that GFE does not include BBBJ, that GFE does not include CIM, that PSE is CIM, that PSE does not include anal, etc. So what I have gathered from my non-scientific survey is that the two are just acronyms for whatever the writer means for them to be. That is why it is important that we help each other by determining exactly what an individual provider means when she states that she delivers those services. As always.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this as well because I have personally advertised PSE but my definition is different from yours along with others.

I agree GFE is DFK, DATY, BBBJCIM & the more personal approach.

However we are all here for different reasons & I believe PSE is for those who want to live out fantasies beyond the normal things your wife / girlfriend won't do. I also believe this is the less personal approach to the hobby, for those who are just looking for "fun". They don't want to be rushed but they also want to get down to business. I agree that greek should probably be put in this definition. But it is personally not on my menu. I was unaware that BBFS comes to mind when you mention PSE, it's forbidden in my mind.

Just my thoughts.

Xoxo,

Sweet TnA

[QUOTE=EloquentEven; 1888637]Maybe people define GFE differently than I do. My definition is Girl Friend Experience. Basically the same thing your GF would do. Kissing. DATY. BBBJ (BB is the important part and for most Cim is also ). And then CFS.

Melea does all of these things!

What is everyone else's definition of GFE?

PSE is GFE with Greek, BBFS, and over the top stuff like porn star. Facial. Acting etc. Is that what you Consider it to be?

Just curious[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sweet TnA; 1889617]I'd like to hear others thoughts on this as well because I have personally advertised PSE but my definition is different from yours along with others.

I agree GFE is DFK, DATY, BBBJCIM & the more personal approach.

However we are all here for different reasons & I believe PSE is for those who want to live out fantasies beyond the normal things your wife / girlfriend won't do. I also believe this is the less personal approach to the hobby, for those who are just looking for "fun". They don't want to be rushed but they also want to get down to business. I agree that greek should probably be put in this definition. But it is personally not on my menu. I was unaware that BBFS comes to mind when you mention PSE, it's forbidden in my mind.

Just my thoughts.

Xoxo,

Sweet TnA[/QUOTE]That is a very good question because I believe everyone has a different thought on PSE and GFE and personally I believe putang man would be the perfect one to answer this for everyone. I have always believed that GFE includes LFK, DFK, DATY, CFS some may do BBFS, not an option for most on here and PSE includes all the above plus CIM, COF, lots of foreplay, acting, action and so on. Just like a porn movie. There is a big difference in both as where GFE becomes more of a real girlfriend experience with lots of light touching and more intamency and PSE is getting straight to the point, F*ck like wild animals and have the whole menu open including Greek. This was always my thought in the difference in the two. But I would definately like to know everyone else's thoughts also.

I don't mind GFE myself because I am actually more pleasured by it but I have never advertised PSE due to the Greek and the aggressive part because some want it really rough. I would also love to hear more providers and hobbyist thoughts too.

If a man asks tell him straight away. GFE is Girlfriend experience but REALLY would you keep a girlfriend who wouldn't let you fuck her without a cover, let you cim with her, wouldn't let you DATY or dfk with her or do a BJ with out a cover? Bet she wouldn't be a GF for long. PSE is straight up fucking without a cover always has been and for most guys always will be. If your wife is your GF would you do her with a cover? UH UH don't think so. Just my opinion. If you advertise PSE and a guy asks tell him what it means to you. Save a lot of BS ring around the rosey crap. If you advertise it you can talk about it, otherwise don't advertise it or tell him the best way you feel comfortable to clear up conceptions. The women in this who tell you they will discuss it when you get there, YGBFKM. Drive all that way to find out what she meant isn't what guys were looking for. I admire the lady for trying to clear the air on this but anyone who tells a client that PSE isn't bbk is only deluding herself. It is all about service and meeting each others needs and there is a huge availability of quality ladies in all categories who are willing to ride you make you smile, use diaphrams, the pill, and other BC devices. It is all about finding your categories and finding everyones comfort level. You find your own comfort level Sweet T and stick with it. You are doing the right thing by setting your parameters and asking questions. It has been said many times on here we are here because we are looking for what we aren't getting at home the way we want and need it. Enjoy the week and good question STNA

I thought it meant you get to treat them like a dirty little **** and spooge on their face. With respect and consent of course as always, just nasty, dirty, sweaty, monkey sex with a messy ending. If they can figure out how to keep their make up from getting fucked up to present a better target, bonus points!

Mis dos,

A2

[QUOTE=Waltmore; 1889548]

[QUOTE=EloquentEven; 1888637]Maybe people define GFE differently than I do. My definition is Girl Friend Experience. Basically the same thing your GF would do. Kissing. DATY. BBBJ (BB is the important part and for most Cim is also ).[/QUOTE]Since you say you are curious, as I am also. It is evident to me that many people have extremely different views on GFE and PSE. I am in agreement with you as far as that goes. I have asked several ladies who post both services what the difference was; meaning besides the monetary issue of $50 to $100. I have been told that GFE does not include DFK, that GFE does not include DATY, that GFE does not include BBBJ, that GFE does not include CIM, that PSE is CIM, that PSE does not include anal, etc. So what I have gathered from my non-scientific survey is that the two are just acronyms for whatever the writer means for them to be. That is why it is important that we help each other by determining exactly what an individual provider means when she states that she delivers those services. As always.[/QUOTE]I wondered where you've been Waltmore. Glad to see you're still around.

[QUOTE=Puntang Man;1889783]If a man asks tell him straight away. GFE is Girlfriend experience but REALLY would you keep a girlfriend who wouldn't let you fuck her without a cover, let you cim with her, wouldn't let you DATY or dfk with her or do a BJ with out a cover? Bet she wouldn't be a GF for long. PSE is straight up fucking without a cover always has been and for most guys always will be. If your wife is your GF would you do her with a cover? UH UH don't think so. Just my opinion. If you advertise PSE and a guy asks tell him what it means to you. Save a lot of BS ring around the rosey crap. If you advertise it you can talk about it, otherwise don't advertise it or tell him the best way you feel comfortable to clear up conceptions. The women in this who tell you they will discuss it when you get there, YGBFKM. Drive all that way to find out what she meant isn't what guys were looking for. I admire the lady for trying to clear the air on this but anyone who tells a client that PSE isn't bbk is only deluding herself. It is all about service and meeting each others needs and there is a huge availability of quality ladies in all categories who are willing to ride you make you smile, use diaphrams, the pill, and other BC devices. It is all about finding your categories and finding everyones comfort level. You find your own comfort level Sweet T and stick with it. You are doing the right thing by setting your parameters and asking questions. It has been said many times on here we are here because we are looking for what we aren't getting at home the way we want and need it. Enjoy the week and good question STNA[/QUOTE]Pse

Porn Star Experience. A term used to describe a sexual encouter where the partner exibited certain porn-like characteristics. Usually including such things as: Talking Dirty, CIM (cum in mouth) , a general knowledge of sexual positions and willingness to sexually please.

I hope this helps! Blake

[QUOTE=Briant2;1889475]Blake you're mistaking me with someone else, and yes you have a good track record. I only posted what happened between us a while ago, many people have posted positive reviews of you. I don't know what your talking about in regards to a soda or hallway or anything, I never gave you my USA handle. When I communicated with you it was before you were on the USA guide.[/QUOTE]This is silly and I hate arguing thus is why I stay single. Let's wash our hands please and both move forward. Have a great day!

-Blake

I like your thinking A2!

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1889965]I thought it meant you get to treat them like a dirty little * and spooge on their face. With respect and consent of course as always, just nasty, dirty, sweaty, monkey sex with a messy ending. If they can figure out how to keep their make up from getting fucked up to present a better target, bonus points!

Mis dos,

A2[/QUOTE]

[b]PSE has ALWAYS meant Porn Star Experience. [/b]

That means:

1) They actually are a porn star (even a minor Bang Brother etc) like Becca Blossoms, Sydney Thomas (a local porn star), Ginger Lee, Gracie Glam, Tory Lane, Phoenix Marie, etc, all of which I have seen. They often will give you a parting gift such as an autographed video, shirt or panties. You tend to pay a premium for seeing these so-called celebrities, but understand full well, all you are paying for is this celebrity status. I have been fucked far better by regular providers than these so-called pros, but sometimes the fantasy is pretty fun and as A2 has pointed out we all would crawl on broken glass and cash out our investments to fuck Jenna Jameson. Some of these celebs will allow you to video this (I have two) provided you sign an official waiver not to attempt to market or sell it in any form or fashion without paying them a royalty from the sales.

2) When a provider that does not actually have a film or video that has been distributed professionally advertises that she offers PSE, the general rule of thumb is that you get to make a video of your time to together including the all important money shot. I have six such video encounters, paid an extra $100 each time, and they remain locked in my private safe and used for my personal enjoyment. Simply claiming they will act like a porn star is ridiculous and any provider that claims otherwise is full of shit, because that is not the hobby standard. Essentially it is just a way to milk an extra $50 to $100 out of you. It should also be noted that recently that this term has become code for "I offer bareback." Now I don't want to start some shitstorm over this issue, I just want to be sure hobbyists and providers are informed, and are clear with one another about this possible use of the term.

[b]GFE has ALWAYS meant Girl Friend Experience. [/b] This can be a subjective (unlike above) definition, but generally it means that there is an illusion of passion. It means there is a bit of romance or sensuality involved-things that remind you of being with one of the best girlfriends you could ever expect. Some of the activities that may be anticipated include:

Conversation, flirtation, caressing, massage, digits, light and even deep French kissing, DATY, BBBJ (sorry but CBJ is a deal breaker-girlfriends don't ask you to where a rubber when they go down on you, anymore than they would like you to cover their pussy with Saran Wrap before going down on them) , CIM (swallow if they like it, dribble it out on their chin if they don't) CFS, cuddling, etc. There are other things that may be included such as anal, fantasy role play, and fetishes etc, but like with actual girlfriends, this is usually discussed over time and once trust is established the menu may become fluid.

-PD

Not doubting you PD but I always thought GFE was sweet and PSE was nasty with COF. I admit I'm a fucking amateur when it comes to mongering in the states though. Shit I would rob fucking banks to get a shot at JJ. Even more so Tawney Roberts. (I'm actually holding my hand over my heart at just the mention of her name)

In my book for reals PSE always includes backdoor action. But none of it includes BB beyond a blowjob.

A2

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1890265]Not doubting you PD but I always thought GFE was sweet and PSE was nasty with COF. I admit I'm a fucking amateur when it comes to mongering in the states though. Shit I would rob fucking banks to get a shot at JJ. Even more so Tawney Roberts. (I'm actually holding my hand over my heart at just the mention of her name)

In my book for reals PSE always includes backdoor action. But none of it includes BB beyond a blowjob.

A2[/QUOTE]The keyword in PSE is PORN. If there ain't a video involved, or a porn actress being fucked, it isn't PSE.

While there was controversy on the board at times while PD was gone, it was usually handled in a few words. Now something simple like PSE is resulting in long protracted messages from PD. Sigh! Welcome back PD.