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I go home every night down archer. And has always wanted to try it. Have a little overtime so if I'm going to try it nows the time. I am an African American if that makes a difference and 50+ any and all advice is welcome. Especially price. Thanks fellow mongers.
[QUOTE=Confucius;3300112]Agree 100%.[/QUOTE]I also agree with Bob, especially because provider's age is a matter of monger's taste. However, regardless of their age, current talent at Macau is not attractive.
In any case, I don't get what (+1) means.
I am continuing to have difficulty finding a good intersection of massage skills: A good deep tissue massage with calming smoothness and a pleasant completion. My last two experiences were at AMPs known for Pleasant endings. The massage however was almost as if they were inexperienced with deep tissue. The quality of the massage remains my priority. Today I drove past green on Halsted but found no parking. So I stopped by elegant on grand. I called ahead for a deep tissue massage. I have previously read the forum. The off street parking previously described is gone. On the side of the building is parking reserved for pizza fans. Behind the building is fenced in.
I was greeted by three MT. A petite woman, possibly the youngest, was hunched over her phone sitting behind the desk. She never lifted her head or made eye contact with me. At the desk was the thirtyish fairly attractive lady of medium build. She verified my phone number and name for a ledger. I am presuming that this is to screen repeat business. There was a report from princess Thai about more nefarious reasons for this activity yet. I found out later that these two women were Claire who is reported as erotic but pricey, and Tina who is described as overpriced and less talented. **please chime in as to which one is Tina and Claire*.
The third woman, Grace, gave the Massage. She has a larger frame, plain face with antibiotic (stained teeth. She has not been reviewed IIRC. She was pleasant and friendly. Her Swedish / transition / Tease skills were quite good. The Finish was above average. The back walk was ungraceful and clunky. The only thing going for it was that she used her body weight to generate force. The first part of the deep tissue was clumsy as well, similar to my recently reported pricey experience with Jeanne at World. Door was 75 but don't remember getting change. (She also forgot my water so she may just be ditzy.) I tipped 60 for effort and no haggling. My exit was business like without any of the "come back soon honey" I am used to.
I think I got the "getting to know you" experience given some of the physicality during the Massage.
I would not repeat for grace but would like to hear more about Claire and how to recognize her.
I was looking for change of pace. Called around noon for deep tissue. Told they were hooked up for 2 days. Olympus deferred. I hope they weren't red-lining me.
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[QUOTE=E2304;3301321]I am continuing to have difficulty finding a good intersection of massage skills: A good deep tissue massage with calming smoothness and a pleasant completion. My last two experiences were at AMPs known for Pleasant endings. The massage however was almost as if they were inexperienced with deep tissue. The quality of the massage remains my priority. Today I drove past green on Halsted but found no parking. So I stopped by elegant on grand. I called ahead for a deep tissue massage. I have previously read the forum. The off street parking previously described is gone. On the side of the building is parking reserved for pizza fans. Behind the building is fenced in.
I was greeted by three MT. A petite woman, possibly the youngest, was hunched over her phone sitting behind the desk. She never lifted her head or made eye contact with me. At the desk was the thirtyish fairly attractive lady of medium build. She verified my phone number and name for a ledger. I am presuming that this is to screen repeat business. There was a report from princess Thai about more nefarious reasons for this activity yet. I found out later that these two women were Claire who is reported as erotic but pricey, and Tina who is described as overpriced and less talented. **please chime in as to which one is Tina and Claire*.
The third woman, Grace, gave the Massage. She has a larger frame, plain face with antibiotic (stained teeth. She has not been reviewed IIRC. She was pleasant and friendly. Her Swedish / transition / Tease skills were quite good. The Finish was above average. The back walk was ungraceful and clunky. The only thing going for it was that she used her body weight to generate force. The first part of the deep tissue was clumsy as well, similar to my recently reported pricey experience with Jeanne at World. Door was 75 but don't remember getting change. (She also forgot my water so she may just be ditzy.) I tipped 60 for effort and no haggling. My exit was business like without any of the "come back soon honey" I am used to.
I think I got the "getting to know you" experience given some of the physicality during the Massage.
I would not repeat for grace but would like to hear more about Claire and how to recognize her.[/QUOTE]Tina's the petite one. She has good backwalk, I've seen reviews of her having bad massage, but I think she's either gotten better or she maybe only does a good job on guys she likes (I think I'm in the like category).
[QUOTE=TDG55;3301039]I go home every night down archer. And has always wanted to try it. Have a little overtime so if I'm going to try it nows the time. I am an African American if that makes a difference and 50+ any and all advice is welcome. Especially price. Thanks fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]Most of the ads for places down archer and chinatown say no AA. Maybe try to find one that will take you and become a regular. Tell them up front over the phone that you're AA and see if they'll take you so you don't waste your time. 50+ shouldn't be a problem. The Asian apartments in chinatown seem to take the house fee and no need to worry about extra tipping. The regular AMPs just seem to run your standard operating procedure house-fee+tip, and YMMV.
While it is by no means 100%, many Chinese women are afraid of African American men. My "Chinese wife", "L" is not that way, but I know others, who though seemingly enlightened, still demonstrate prejudice. Not dislike, really, but fear. I spent a lot of time trying to "teach" people to respect others and to judge them on their behavior rather than the color of their skin. Maybe growing up in a homogeneous ethnic group means they did not get to know other cultures. Anyway, your best advice will come from other African American members. To the extent your therapist has any lingering fear, try put them at ease. Come early. Go to places where there are multiple workers (vs one girl alone). Dress nicely. Be friendly and relaxed. Hopefully they will also relax. Get a 60 minute massage to give you both time to relax and get to know each other. Standard tip pricing is $20 for a good 60 minute massage w / o HE, $40 for He / $60 for Oral / and $100 for FS. Oral is not particularly common in Chinese places, and as a practical matter even FS is more likely for regular customers vs first timers. Read the forum since the advice is pretty applicable for any customer. Good luck. Bob.
[QUOTE=TDG55;3301039]I go home every night down archer. And has always wanted to try it. Have a little overtime so if I'm going to try it nows the time. I am an African American if that makes a difference and 50+ any and all advice is welcome. Especially price. Thanks fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]
Good for you going back to get a refund. I think the glory days of Pine Tree have come and gone. My last few visits there were lack luster and am in no hurry to go back.
[QUOTE=MWiggly2;3299623]I used to be a frequent visitor but haven't been there since the bust until last week. Things were looking pretty good. I drew "Lucky" she was OK, but not exactly attractive- call her plain (with a lot of makeup) Got a decent Table shower, went to room for massage and pretty much everything fell apart. Sparing the unnecessary details, she was quick to want to get to the tipping.
She asked for $ for a HE and $. 4 for FS and that's on top of the door fee. So for $$. 20 I get an crappy massage and FS with a plain girl. Much better deals elsewhere. I declined the service and asked for only massage. I got in my car and drove off. I look at the clock and realize I was in there less than 30 minutes. I turned around and went in to ask for a refund. After a lot of bitching they gave me back 1/2 the door fee. I made it clear that I wouldn't come back.
What was really freaky was after I left, a car with 3 asian men followed me out of the lot. I made several turns before they veered off. I decided to drive back to Pine Tree and guess who was sitting in the parking lot? Yeah the same 3 guys. I can't say it was related but mamasan picked up her cell phone while I was waiting for my refund.
Keep in mind, mamasan recognized me as a former regular. Never had issues in the past. I've been a hobbyist for 10 yrs so I know how to act when entering the spa. Definitely won't be going back.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Walker333;3301234]I also agree with Bob, especially because provider's age is a matter of monger's taste. However, regardless of their age, current talent at Macau is not attractive.
In any case, I don't get what (+1) means.[/QUOTE]+1 just means you agree with the post. +2 means the person agrees with you (the +1 person) and the original poster.
Tried this place and you know when you fill your car up and hope for really good service with premium gas. Well I ended up filling it up my self and it was regular gas at best. Instead of regular gas being octane 87, this was mid sixties at best. Cute gal, young but completely self service. The price was of course like premium.
Good luck.
[URL]http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/a1massage-and-service/40215792[/URL]
A1 is frequent advertiser. It has active RM activity. Hard to search here but I find no entries. Was written up as nice HE Spa on some blog a couple years back. Anything to report? UTR or DOA?
Went to what was formerly Elegant Massage on Grand.
Great lineup here. Walked in, 2 beautiful girls sitting down and 1 older provider working the counter who I assumed was the mamasan. Paid for 30 minutes, went back, and then in walked in old gal! I wasn't happy with this.
I asked her if either of the other 2 girls were busy and I had one of them last time I came and she was great and I wanted to repeat (figured it was an easy way to let her off the hook).
But then she lied to me, told me the other 2 girls were "busy. " Bullshit, I saw them playing with their iPad 2 seconds ago liar. So I told her that's fine, go get my money back and I'll go somewhere else. She said "OK" and huffed out. Then I got dressed, and in walks one of the two girls. Then I had to undress again.
All went perfectly after that though. Girl's name was Saki. Not the best face in the world, but beautiful petite body. Paid $. For naked old fashioned. I know some of you will balk at that, but I'm paying for the girl not the service. Sure I could have gotten Suzy Oldhands for less, but I don't mind paying a little extra for a beautiful woman.
[QUOTE=JamesNoper;3304063]Went to what was formerly Elegant Massage on Grand.
Great lineup here. Walked in, 2 beautiful girls sitting down and 1 older provider working the counter who I assumed was the mamasan. Paid for 30 minutes, went back, and then in walked in old gal! I wasn't happy with this.
I asked her if either of the other 2 girls were busy and I had one of them last time I came and she was great and I wanted to repeat (figured it was an easy way to let her off the hook).
But then she lied to me, told me the other 2 girls were "busy. " Bullshit, I saw them playing with their iPad 2 seconds ago liar. So I told her that's fine, go get my money back and I'll go somewhere else. She said "OK" and huffed out. Then I got dressed, and in walks one of the two girls. Then I had to undress again.
All went perfectly after that though. Girl's name was Saki. Not the best face in the world, but beautiful petite body. Paid $. For naked old fashioned. I know some of you will balk at that, but I'm paying for the girl not the service. Sure I could have gotten Suzy Oldhands for less, but I don't mind paying a little extra for a beautiful woman.[/QUOTE]I think it was correct, and overall good, right move to demand service for your money that you expected to obtaine at the time when you paid.
It's your consumer's right.
Now speakers about price, each of us pays what we believe is fair unhder circumstances.
So the predictions a few of you made were true. We brought in additional people. They just don't compare. Mei ("L") has been swamped with business. To be more accurate, everyone conspires to arrive at the same time. Mei gives 200% of the energy of the average therapist. 400% of the energy of those who pretend to be massage therapists. So 4 or 5 90 minute massages back to back with no food and she can barely stand. Seven days a week. 11 hours a day.
Mei tried introducing our best customers to the "new girl" and nobody is satisfied. Mei gives (as many of you know) a super strong traditional Chinese acupressure massage. Forum Members can add their own comments. The new one gave a weak Swedish massage. Today two people walked out on the "new girl". If any of you tried the new one, please PM me and I will give you a half price massage with Mei.
With that preamble, if you know anyone who has excellent massage skills, let me know. Must be legit. Must have transportation. We are in Buffalo Grove Deerfield and Weiland, SW corner. Here's the website: [URL]http://massage0110.wixsite.com/sunshinehealthmassag[/URL] Thanks in advance. Bob.