"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Hi Gents:

It has been a good while since I updated things although I read this forum almost daily, but now it is time for me to share some experiences.

My ATF. As I have posted before my ATF is from meeting at a Local Strip club about 8 years a go. It took me a good while to get her to see me outside but it finally worked out and we have been seeing each other pretty regular since then. She either comes to my place or I go to hers (usually hers) since her husband is a trucker and is gone most of the week days leaving her alone and horny. She loves DATY and is multi orgasmic until she is breathless and begging for me to stop. She is still hot even now in her mid to late 30s. Still works part time in one of the local clubs when she wants. Has a pic on her wall from when she was in the Deja Vu club magazine a few years ago. Damage is now 0. 5 to me once a week.

I have my first 2 hits from Craigslist from posting that I have a hotel room and just need some company $.

#1 is a blond MILF in her late 20's with a six year old kid. Slender just out of a relationship where she did not have to work, relationship ended a few months ago. She is in school and scheduled to graduate in Dec. She answered my post late in the day after I had left the hotel room so we text a few times that night and the next morning then she tells me her kid is going to a friends house and her apt is a vailable if I can make it. Lucky ME! Was there in about half hour and was able to spend about 90 min whith her. She does great BBBJ and loves DATY. On this meeting she was begging for a facial so what else could a guy do? She loved it. She wanted $ but was able to do it for half of that. Have seen her 3 more time since then at her place and going back Friday.

#2. I met on Saturday morning after texting for a while on Friday. Picked her up just up the street from her house since her high school daughter was at home. We went to get a room for an hour or so. She is a Brunette in her late 30s or early 40s. Nice body for her age and was ready to go. Just needed a little help with her bills. (0. 75 total) Nice enough lady very accomidating and very good BBBJ skills, but just not my cup of Tea. Most likley will not repeat.

On another note. In my area of Central Ky the prices on BP are very nice at this point. With a little work and research you can have a good time with a nice young lady at her hotel room for 50 to 100. I had a great time today with a 20 year old red head who is part time on BP. She is a little thicker and not skinny but still nice and young with a cute little voice who loved to talk and make sure I was happy. She is bi and has a BF who does not know what she does. Loves DATY and has seen other providers in the area herself. We talked for a while and she wants to have a 3 some with my ATF who is also bi. At the end or our session she says that next time I can come to her place in a town about 30 min away if I want.

So the summer has been pretty good here in Kentucky.

Live Long and Prosper Gents

My second POT from AF has a bad case of GPS combined with immaturity. Originally she didn't want to talk money until we met. Then she asked via email and when she didn't like my numbers she didn't respond at all. It took a number of emails and texts to get her to respond. Finally I asked if the amount was too low. She said yes. When I ask where she wants to be, she says never mind it's way over my budget and I even gave her a fake high budget. She's beautiful, young, has a wonderful curvy body and a cool personality. She may find what she's looking for, but I doubt it.

I have a nice looking 21 year old AA spinner from AF. She has agreed to 6 dates per month at $800. She doesn't communicate much or very well. We have a date setup for Tuesday night. I think she might be semi-pro as she's cool with us starting the Tiggabounce on the first date if there are not setbacks during dinner (My RG3 Reference, LOL).

Out of the blue I hit up MsCoolSlim. She had disappeared for a while, but she assured me it was because she was just uncomfortable meeting someone from online. We exchanged some more emails and had a Skype date today. That made her a lot more comfortable. Wow she's stunning! We have a date set for Wed, I'm going to have to go slower with her, but the good thing is that the suga can go slow also. She is the one that I thought would really slow me down. Right now she does not have a place, but once she does and I have full time access to those goodies, I'll "try" to slow down again.

Met a 21 year old Co-ed for dinner a few days ago. We had exchanged information on SA right before the STL trip. I had dropped her because she had gained weight and was sending out photos as both skinny and bigger without warning, LOL. Plus I had way too many on the hook to deal with that. She was nice and definitely a little chunkier than I like, but that butt was banging. She agreed to not start up a full arrangement. We'll link up when we both have time. I'll make sure to give at least $ and she'll be happy. I'll just call her MsPreLaw.

MsSuccessful has taken a job in my area. She's moving the family up here at some point within the next year. Wow, what a change. She wants to get some luvin once every other week. Not funds needed other than cover the room. Very nice!

I currently have 3 on-call BootyCall Babies. MsLatinaMILF, MsPreLaw and MsSuccessful.

Two that I'm "exclusive" with. MsNurseBooty and my ATF. At some point I'm going to be so unavailable, that these two will drop me.

BigTigg

God lord tig. Good fucking lord and congrats. Please share the secret to your success LOL.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1859592]My second POT from AF has a bad case of GPS combined with immaturity. Originally she didn't want to talk money until we met. Then she asked via email and when she didn't like my numbers she didn't respond at all. It took a number of emails and texts to get her to respond. Finally I asked if the amount was too low. She said yes. When I ask where she wants to be, she says never mind it's way over my budget and I even gave her a fake high budget. She's beautiful, young, has a wonderful curvy body and a cool personality. She may find what she's looking for, but I doubt it.

I have a nice looking 21 year old AA spinner from AF. She has agreed to 6 dates per month at $800. She doesn't communicate much or very well. We have a date setup for Tuesday night. I think she might be semi-pro as she's cool with us starting the Tiggabounce on the first date if there are not setbacks during dinner (My RG3 Reference, LOL).

Out of the blue I hit up MsCoolSlim. She had disappeared for a while, but she assured me it was because she was just uncomfortable meeting someone from online. We exchanged some more emails and had a Skype date today. That made her a lot more comfortable. Wow she's stunning! We have a date set for Wed, I'm going to have to go slower with her, but the good thing is that the suga can go slow also. She is the one that I thought would really slow me down. Right now she does not have a place, but once she does and I have full time access to those goodies, I'll "try" to slow down again.

Met a 21 year old Co-ed for dinner a few days ago. We had exchanged information on SA right before the STL trip. I had dropped her because she had gained weight and was sending out photos as both skinny and bigger without warning, LOL. Plus I had way too many on the hook to deal with that. She was nice and definitely a little chunkier than I like, but that butt was banging. She agreed to not start up a full arrangement. We'll link up when we both have time. I'll make sure to give at least $ and she'll be happy. I'll just call her MsPreLaw.

MsSuccessful has taken a job in my area. She's moving the family up here at some point within the next year. Wow, what a change. She wants to get some luvin once every other week. Not funds needed other than cover the room. Very nice!

I currently have 3 on-call BootyCall Babies. MsLatinaMILF, MsPreLaw and MsSuccessful.

Two that I'm "exclusive" with. MsNurseBooty and my ATF. At some point I'm going to be so unavailable, that these two will drop me.

BigTigg[/QUOTE]

ATF #3 has agreed to resume our old arrangement. I am skeptical because of her behavior the last time we were together but perhaps she has not been so successful finding a replacement on her terms. She is an absolute spinner even by Hollywood's standards with niice C cups and well formed all around. She is a 10/10/10/8. The latter 2 points off are due to her lack of kissing. But I can enjoy nuzzling and kissing her body parts including her pussy, which is sweet and sensitive. She is an absolute screamer too which is very stimulating.

ATF #4 has been entertaining twice this week and beats my dick like a dead horse until I am sore and I require hot soaks. Love it!

Teen Baby has been unresponsive and not on the site after her attack of GPS. She apparently needed / wanted a quick cash transfusion to take care of a load of bills / expenses and wasn't willing to take a slower but steady route to riches. This younger generation wants it all at once. She could have had ATF potential with a long lucrative relationship but was perhaps wanting to score and run. I predict that if I was willing to give an $800 allowance up front I would not have heard from her again. She is a 9/9/9/9. As we have all said at one time or another, teens are skittish and unpredictable. Immaturity rules the day.

Well, my all time favorite SB in NY / NJ area, seen her 3 times. First date- nice one, afternoon to late night. Second, same. Third, overnight in the resort. But. As it turns. Out, it became like she is the boss, and I am getting allowance. This was 2 days event but started with too bossy. Everything was like you did this. Or don't do this. I felt like there was complete disconnect. I just decided to make it a 1 day trip instead of 2. Learned something, it is I am paying for hotel, expenses, allowance. SB yes, I respect but they can't just be on their own. It has to be mutual agreement. So. This SB. Is gone. I decided to cut loose. I am happy in the local Virginia now.

Well, on the other hand. I think this is a art. I learned so many things in last 1 month. I had 1 potential SB texting me. That she need to make a car payment and can I wire / MO money using WU. I said no. Found out on twitter that she is at redskin pre-season game. She doesn't know that but. Guys. Be lookout on social media- FB, Twitter pages for your SB.

Guys, what do you think about SB who writes on their profile that they don't smoke. But in reality, found on social media, she is smoking weeds and other. Hmm.

WOW. This world is crazy.

Just don't know if I can find a regular SB who is to good to be true. For my likeness.

What are the most common excuses to get money from you. I found few.

1. My car payment is due. If I don't make $$$ today, they will take my car. Can you go Western Union and send me money.

2. My car is broken. Can you send me money asap so I can drive.

3. Tomorrow is my birthday. Can you get me gift today? I need to buy a nice dress.

4. Need to pay rent. If I don't landlord is going to kick me out.

5. Electricity bill is due. If I don't' pay it then I will be in dark.

6. Cell phone. Bill.

7. If you don't send me allowance, I will be starving for next 1 week (this was my first SB telling me.)

Huh. There need to be a list published. So when they really give such poor reasoning. We know. How to answer.

I think. SD should be able to see the bill to believe it.

Ha ha.

Gentlemen,

In deference to some of you who have experienced this many times before, I am posting to crow about a sweet double header I scored yesterday which has certainly taken some of the sting out of the sad, sad reality that my new ATF is leaving town on the 9th of next month, probably for good.

For some reason, my account on SD4Me is once again allowing me full access to all babies, even though when I log on it tells me I am persona non grata as far as their billing department is concerned. Whatever. I have been blasting emails out within a 50 mile radius of me with astonishing results. Apparently the Sugar Gods have found me in favor again, and I have had several m&gs (not all to my liking, but still) and am currently filling in my dance card for next week with 3 of the ones who made the cut.

But back to yesterday: I met with an adorable, pixie-ish 22 yo AA spinner for coffee on Tuesday and we hit it off wonderfully. I had an AA GF in college who I was insane for, but our friends gave us each such shit about dating outside our race (BTW, aren't we all part of the HUMAN race?) that it was just too difficult to keep it going. Anyway, we met, had an instant rapport, and made plans to meet at a nearby motel the following day. So think Halle Berry, but smaller and with slightly upturned eyes, and you begin to get close. Tiny hips, tiny waist, adorable face, short hair, sweet little boobs, funny, smart, not at all ghetto, and easy to spend time with.

At the motel she turned a little bit shy at first, which was incredibly appealing, but once we had talked a bit and had started kissing, the game was on, and oh, my brothers, she was incredible! Her entire body seemed to be an erogenous zone, and when I settled in to apply my Super Secret Oral Speed Orgasm Technique, I thought she would explode! My ears are still a little flat from being squeezed so hard between her thighs. She also kept up a very soft, quiet narrative of dirty talk that I found extremely erotic, and certainly spurred me on to do more than my best!

Since we met at 9 in the morning, and she had to be on the way to work at 11, we didn't have a huge amount of time, which may have been for the best, because she rode me ragged, and I [U]know[/U] she has more ideas in mind for the next time. I felt like a MegaStud, to be honest, and at one point in her quiet talking she was thanking me for fucking her! Don't know about you all, but that's a first for me. We are penciled in for a repeat next week, time and day to be determined, but she is definitely a keeper.

After a mutual shower, we parted and I headed in to the city for my next rendezvous with a super skittish 24 yo baby who I have been pursuing for almost 6 months. We met on SA, had a coffee shortly thereafter, and made plans to have breakfast a few days later. I honestly thought she would vanish because she was so far out of my league in terms of looks, but I proceeded anyway, and we actually had a great time once again. Several meals later, she suggested that we should start "seeing each other" and make things official by spending some "private time" together. Needless to say, I was totally on board, and urged her to find some time in her schedule as I would in mine. After going radio silent, she replied a week or so later that I was coming on way too aggressively, that she now felt she really didn't know me at all, and basically that I should go and fuck myself. Huh?

A month or so later, I got an email from her saying just "hi", and the whole dance began again. To make a long story short, the alternating cycle of "come fuck me"/"go fuck yourself" went on three more times, with me finally just playing along with detached interest more than with any real hopes of ever getting POTF, all the way up until yesterday, when I showed up at her apartment to find her actually inside it, and after a really wonderful hour or so of talking and cuddling on her couch, she suggested we move to her bed. This was an idea I readily agreed to, at which point she literally tore my clothes off and tried to shove my entire body into her pussy. Is this what is meant by being born again? If so, I'm converting!!

Coincidentally, she also proved to be a dirty talker, and was very vocal in her appreciation of my efforts. Scottie and I were praising the genius who invented Viagra, and those clever Indian chemists who know how to produce the generic version of it, as we were banging away at this gorgeous baby who lay underneath us. Truly, she is a stunningly beautiful girl, in a totally natural way, and I just couldn't believe my luck at finally finding myself between her thighs, her ankles on my shoulders and her hands on my ass, pulling me into her as hard as she could, all the while breathing "fuck me" over and over. Total Old Folks Home memory to be sure. I hope I forget my own name before I forget that! This is a fabulous life when it works, or all the time if you are Big Tigg!

For the holiday weekend, I am headed out of town tomorrow to our place in the country, where I hope to be fucking a beautiful baby I met a while back whose aunt is currently starring in a cable program that I like to watch. Every time my SO and I are viewing it, I smile to myself when I see the aunt and think "I'm fucking your niece".

What a world!

Scott

Thanks for sharing, those kind of reports keep me encouraged. I wished my game worked all the time, I would be much richer and more trusting.

BT

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1860562]Thanks for sharing, those kind of reports keep me encouraged. I wished my game worked all the time, I would be much richer and more trusting.

BT[/QUOTE]I wish my game worked half the time that yours does, my brother! I would be much poorer and more tired, but nonetheless, happy.

If it were easy, they'd be called escorts, right?

Scott

Hi Guys,

I'm an aspiring SD in the 50th state. I'm married and 40 and have mostly played in the escort arena to date, but would prefer something non-pro and less transactional. I've been reading your reports trying to capture some of your knowledge and wisdom as I make my first foray into the SB. A big thank you to you all for your contributions. I've still got about 50 pages to go, but it's been a great read. I've made that risk analysis and am getting into the game.

So far I haven't had much luck yet, as I'm pretty picky in wanting younger (less than 35) .7-10's in the looks department and the slim and athletic build. It seems the available talent pool has neither quality or quantity, at least on SA, AF, SDFM, and WYP. I've been in touch with about 5 different POT's but haven't been able to get to M&G yet. A couple seem relatively new to the game and the others seem a bit more experienced. Been exchanging some emails and texts but they always seem to flake right before the M&G. I know SA said UHawaii ranked high with SB's but it's either fluff or I'm not fishing in the ponds.

Additional challenges for me are that I don't get to travel much do to our geographic isolation, warden restrictions, not really having a job conducive to travel and this state being so small that it's hard to be discrete. That being said, I hope I'll have more successes to report in the weeks / months to come.

While this is probably ahead of the game since I haven't made any contributions If anyone has had luck with HYT and HCB that are trustworthy to travel and you're willing to share, I'd be open to bringing them for a getaway. It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks again!

GoGreen

[QUOTE=Gogreen; 1860576]While this is probably ahead of the game since I haven't made any contributions If anyone has had luck with HYT and HCB that are trustworthy to travel and you're willing to share, I'd be open to bringing them for a getaway. It would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks again!

GoGreen[/QUOTE]While I appreciate your constraints in trying to fish in a bucket, I think you may have inadvertently hit upon the solution to your problem. Search in the LA, San Diego and other west coast arenas, and offer these babies a trip to Hawaii! Dude, you have a golden ticket to endless pussy, at least as I see it! You need to configure a scheme where you don't pay in advance for a ticket, but reimburse them once they arrive and surrender the goods, so they don't scam you, but still, this is but a trifle. Only the details remain to be figured out.

I am short on time at the moment, so need to sign off, but I'm sure my other brothers here will have much to say on this subject. From my vantage point, it looks to me like you don't have lemons, but rather a lemonade factory; you just need to figure out how to set it up.

Don't forget to write,

Scott

Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site [url]http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69[/url]

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1860696]Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site.

[url]http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69[/url]

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?[/QUOTE]Yeah its a scam, they want you to signup for a buck. 3 days then ongoing upgrades and phony emails, replys to you. Same thing happened to me with this chick who says she uses this to verify. Blah. Blah. Blah meanwhile I've had two different sites offering the same deal contact me within the last day since she's gotten ahold of my email.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1860696]Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site.

[url]http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69[/url]

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?[/QUOTE]I fished on Craigslist for a week or two and 99% of the responses I got were trying to direct me to one of those verification sites. I never did it so I could be wrong but I think its a scam. I got pics of the same girl from multiple ads with different names. All of the pics I got were bordering on TGTBT.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1860696]Hey I got a interesting hit on Craigslist from someone with pretty hot pics. She is asking me to go to a site.

[url]http://nostringsverify.com/sammipage69[/url]

To verify myself. Has anyone ever done this before? Is it a scam?

She says it only costs a dollar. And I guess I would have to use my real identity, which is a problem.

Anyone know anything about it?[/QUOTE]I do not go to those sites because they always want a Credit Card # which I never give out. You will get a lot of scams on Craigslist but sometimes you find something good.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1860720]I fished on Craigslist for a week or two and 99% of the responses I got were trying to direct me to one of those verification sites. I never did it so I could be wrong but I think its a scam. I got pics of the same girl from multiple ads with different names. All of the pics I got were bordering on TGTBT.[/QUOTE]Scam scam scam, don't ever go to those verification sites, you will never ever meet the girl. She makes money for every guy she directs to it. STAY away!

Always, try and get them to send you pictures, text them, try and always get them to contact you, so you know they are real!

[QUOTE=Diamondman; 1860728]Scam scam scam, don't ever go to those verification sites, you will never ever meet the girl. She makes money for every guy she directs to it. STAY away!

Always, try and get them to send you pictures, text them, try and always get them to contact you, so you know they are real![/QUOTE]Thanks guys. It does appear to be a scam. She sent me several pics. I did a pipl search on her name and city and it showed a person there but it was a common name. I did a tineye search and her pics showed up all over the place foreign sites and porn sites and amature self pic sites etc.

I was going to try to get her to text. But even when I tried to reply to her email yahoo mail was warning me not to. So I deleted all emails and pics.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1781781]On another matter, I have been idly amusing myself by collecting the most absurd names from scam emails I have been getting, and I just want to share them for the amusement of the clubhouse. I swear on all the panties I have caused to fall to the floor that they are all true; well, at least as sent to me. As I said before, I [I]wish[/I] I were this creative.

Yuhas Spradling.

Circle Mcravin (my personal favorite. Being Irish, I think I had a great aunt with this name)

Prashad Duch

Syring Dayan.

Sprenger Paris.

Sprenger Glade

Sprenger Edelbrock (a popular first name, apparently)

Montis Hesseltine

Bulleri Ingegner (I'm not even sure how to pronounce this one)

Crounse Cartagena (runner up for favorite. I may actually reply to her, just so I can add her to my contact list)

Ruggle Beltron (I thought this was a character Vim Diesel played. How far he has fallen. Sad really)

Delawder Martnez

Thibodeaux Bourgoyne.

Durphey Bourgoyne

Riva Bourgoyne.

Wiedeman Bourgoyne (sisters, apparently, or a mother / daughter fuck fest. Either way, I'm all in!)

I'm trying to imagine what foreign country these are all coming from, and what they are using to generate these names.[/QUOTE]All these emails came as a result of a single posting on CL, and all of them had virtually the same text, urging me to prove I was real by going to a verification site. I am still getting them months later, but the names are nowhere near as creative as these.

"Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night til it be morrow " Ah Shakespeare said it so well did he not?

Well gents, the time has come that I turn off the burner phone, close my SA / SDFM account, put my travel bag away, and ride into the sunset. It is not bittersweet, but only bitter that I give up the lifestyle that I have enjoyed for oh so many years. The reasons are several, but I realize for sure that this lifestyle is not compatible with a healthy relationship with a SO (or any for that matter) , in fact, it is damaging and unfair to her. Some of us get away with the sham for awhile and fool ourselves into thinking that we can play both ends against the middle, but it eventually comes back to bite you in the ass if you are in it long enough. I do value my SO and am going to make the effort to give her the attention that she deserves. There are of course, children, friends, family, finances involved. I am honored to have been in the company of so many cocks-men of note, and would like to think that I and my friend Nando have contributed substantive data to the group. I have been the recipient of multi hundreds of sweet babies' attentions, and spent tens of thousands of hard earned dollars chasing the holy grail, trying to (and succeeding) crawl into HYB's vaginas, hearts, and souls. I think I made a difference to their lives, and certainly to their bank accounts.

I leave with ATF #4 and SB #1 available whenever I would like, and it will be hard to resist occasionally dipping into that pool. I will no longer have the freedom of movement I had before, so any SB meet will be fraught with extreme hazard. I do seem to have a "get home free card ", but only one. Any more indiscretions will unleash the tiger within and life as I once knew it would be over. My ATF #3 last night was Amaaaazing as a parting gift from her, and she did not disappoint. We left on a lovely note.

I will probably lurk around and even contribute words of wisdom and experiences from the past from time to time. I will live vicariously through the brotherhood. You all prosper often and keep me entertained. Perhaps I will write a book, it's been a fascinating journey and I'm sure would be a good read. If I return actively, then my SO and I have called it quits. If I were single like Hollywood, I think I would just live the SD lifestyle and forget IRL relationships. Time will tell.

Peace Brothers, and be safe! Fred and Nando

And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1861275]"Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night til it be morrow " Ah Shakespeare said it so well did he not?

Well gents, the time has come that I turn off the burner phone, close my SA / SDFM account, put my travel bag away, and ride into the sunset. It is not bittersweet, but only bitter that I give up the lifestyle that I have enjoyed for oh so many years. The reasons are several, but I realize for sure that this lifestyle is not compatible with a healthy relationship with a SO (or any for that matter) , in fact, it is damaging and unfair to her. Some of us get away with the sham for awhile and fool ourselves into thinking that we can play both ends against the middle, but it eventually comes back to bite you in the ass if you are in it long enough. I do value my SO and am going to make the effort to give her the attention that she deserves. There are of course, children, friends, family, finances involved. I am honored to have been in the company of so many cocks-men of note, and would like to think that I and my friend Nando have contributed substantive data to the group. I have been the recipient of multi hundreds of sweet babies' attentions, and spent tens of thousands of hard earned dollars chasing the holy grail, trying to (and succeeding) crawl into HYB's vaginas, hearts, and souls. I think I made a difference to their lives, and certainly to their bank accounts.

I leave with ATF #4 and SB #1 available whenever I would like, and it will be hard to resist occasionally dipping into that pool. I will no longer have the freedom of movement I had before, so any SB meet will be fraught with extreme hazard. I do seem to have a "get home free card ", but only one. Any more indiscretions will unleash the tiger within and life as I once knew it would be over. My ATF #3 last night was Amaaaazing as a parting gift from her, and she did not disappoint. We left on a lovely note.

I will probably lurk around and even contribute words of wisdom and experiences from the past from time to time. I will live vicariously through the brotherhood. You all prosper often and keep me entertained. Perhaps I will write a book, it's been a fascinating journey and I'm sure would be a good read. If I return actively, then my SO and I have called it quits. If I were single like Hollywood, I think I would just live the SD lifestyle and forget IRL relationships. Time will tell.

Peace Brothers, and be safe! Fred and Nando[/QUOTE]

Greetings all. I have read this thread occasionally since I'm not all that far from Richmond (Baltimore), but I've noticed that the contributions made are from all over. I'm proud to say that I now have a regular rotation of about 4 or 5 SB's that I see a few times a-month. One is in her late 30's, blonde, long legs and lots of fun. The next is mixed Chinese and Russian, short but with nice breasts and a banging body. The next one is married, late 20's from South America, super-hot and always horny. The last one is an exotic dancer (stripper) , Latina, almost 6', former model and just so much fun! I started this with the Non-Pro scene a few years-ago on CL and BP. I met several young ladies looking for a fast financial fix, and more regular and long term. Most said that they needed help with a phone bill, car payment, etc. But some were more direct asking for a monthly allowance. I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I haven't posted on CL in a while, but have had an ad on BP running for some time and it keeps getting responses. Mostly from women that I'm not attracted to, until the other night. A very sexy 20 something, single mom. Mostly, I have been using WYP and have been fairly successful with that site. Most of the women on there are very attractive, but while most are looking for that "arrangement" they also expect you to pay them for a date without any dessert. I'm sorry again guys, but I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MW

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1861338]And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Same here, if you don't mind sharing your secret sauce with the brothers.

[QUOTE=Marcus Weiner; 1861372]I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MW[/QUOTE]Congratulations on joining the most interesting, challenging, frustrating and rewarding Club in the country. We are, indeed, from all over these 50 states, but use this journal to share experiences, insights, successes and failures alike. All sincere posters are welcome, and you will find us all willing to help a brother in need.

That said, I would recommend you go back to the very beginning of the Baby Book, and read forward. There is a treasure trove of information here, all gained form personal experiences in the field, and all your questions will be answered. I feel safe in saying that none of us would shell out significant sugar upfront for just a dinner and drinks. Some, myself included, have from time to time given a baby an "advance". Some have lost the bet, but most of us have had it come back to us in multiples. What you are describing, though, sounds like these women want you to pay them for the privilege of buying them dinner with no promise or even intention of taking their clothes off later, and that sounds to me like lunacy.

Good luck in your hunt. Take advantage of the holiday weekend and do your homework. Not only is there great wisdom, it is the most literate and entertaining thread on the site, and you will enjoy yourself, I guarantee it.

Don't forget to write,

Scott

You will be missed, my friend! We have all learned so much from your experiences, insights and contributions. If you were only known for the "Nando Scale", your legacy would be assured!

Take care, rebuild your bridges, and do no harm. We are all, myself included, just a PM away.

Peace,

Scott

It never ceases to amaze or mystify me what these babies will do. I commented recently about normal babies. And I do indeed think the ones I mentioned are very much on the normal / sane side. I must qualify as sane as any woman can be. LOL. But I am still amazed and dazed and confused. I am always learning. I Consider myself to have some pretty good experience. But still I am baffled.

REVVO_ATF: I am thinking this one is may be on her way out. Still just as beautiful. And still very sexy. But just not available. Did her on Monday and had a good time but it wasn't great. Makes me think there may be something up. I have many options and do not believe she still qualifies for ATF status. She still is a 9/8/8/10 but. Since there can be only one ATF I may be replacing her soon. We shall see.

REVVO_POT1: So a mystery. Damn this one was good looking too. 37 YO blond, nice body, short about 5'2' gorgeous. I give her a 8/9/8. Very intelligent educated stable, normal MILF. This was totally outside of her comfort zone and I think that is what did the whole thing in. We were really into each other. Great communications, very very into the date and wanting more. Sending me pics and little hellos unsolicited. All the right signals. I can't for the life of me understand what happened. The day of our second date and impending trip to the FC. (she hasn't been fucked in over a year). She goes dark. Nothing nada. I just tell her to call when she gets a chance and we will reschedule. But no go. I have my theories on this. I think that sometimes they can be too normal and not adventurous enough and they cannot bring themselves to do it. Especially if they like you. And I am going out on a limb here I do believe she liked me, she said so many times. Fucking frustrating. But oh well. I can't have them all anyway.

REVVO_POT3: So another mystery. Of all the POTs I had this one I really expected to come through. I can't tell you how into me how quickly she was. This was going great. I mean all of the signs are there. Like a real very expressive intelligent good looking woman. Ready to know me and fuck me. Our conversations were great. Awesome communicator. We did our meet and greet and it went great again. She is 5'7' 27 YO blond blue eyed MILF with a toned and gorgeous body. She came with tights and the sexiest pair of 5' heels. We had a great lunch. And walked her to her car. We made out and I have to tell you she was one of the best kissers of any SB or baby I have had. It was so sensuous and sexy. And she was moaning and breathing heavy. And she was visibly moved. So was I. I really thought I had this in the bag. We texted a little later and both commented on how awesome this kiss was, and we had scheduled a meeting for two days later. After those last texts she went dark. WHAT THE FUCK! I can't believe this. I have to tell you in all of my dating life I have rarely ever had an interaction with a woman go this well. And she vanishes. I will still try to get her back but I think she is gone. Who knows. Too normal for this? I don't know. But once again I can't have them all. She was very prime for being ATF.

REVVO_POT4: Well this one is such a pleasant surprise. She is now REVVO_SB6.

REVVO_POT5: This is a new one from today. Like I said I let my membership expire and have been slowing my roll. But I aint crazy. When a hot SB contacts me with a gold membership and she is new and close by. I am going to contact her. So I did. She is 26 YO mixed, black / white / venezualan with a spinner body to die for. Her head is cute but not gorgeous. But the rest is perfect. I give her a 7/9. 5/9. So far. Tight and right. Beautiful bronze skin, slender hard body, she works out every day, an ass you could serve a beer on. Weighs 110 lbs and is 5'3' does that qualify for spinner material Hollywood? I think so. Educated has a bachelors degree and is a former high school and college cheerleader and used to coach high school cheerleading. Very normal and down to earth. She likes me already; uh oh watch out. LOL We have texted and talked and we are definitely on the same page. She is a good communicator and is a pleaser. She cannot find a job in her field. So she is a cook at Chilies for now. And looking for a little help. Not someone to support her. She is excited to see me but it may be a while since we both have busy schedules. Not holding my breath but she is looking real good right now.

REVVO_SB1: Tried to schedule her in but cannot. I put her off and she is cool with it. So cool and sweet little blond from Boston. Good booty call baby for now. I am going to eventually have to fuck her just to keep the contact.

REVVO_SB2: So I fucked my little Brazillian princess last Friday and it was great. She blew me and swallowed like a champion. And she would fuck bareback if I let her. She comes ever so easily and just shakes like she has parkinsons afterwards. What a beautiful site. At this point she is definitely the best fuck of the bunch. She is just so sexually expressive. What a delight. She went away this week to visit a friend out of town. Maybe able to see her next week. I will keep her at 7/8/9/10 for now. Body may deserve a 9 also. She liked my present but did not go crazy for it. Not sure If she is expecting payment. Maybe so. We shall see.

REVVO_SB3: Like I said before I really do not have the time or the energy to do everything in the relationship. She is cute but at the bottom of the list for now. Cute Morrocan but that is about it.

REVVO_SB4: So my little Colombian coconut popped back up and is ready to fuck. Good for her and me. Says she misses me and wants me to get all over her. Another normal woman by the way. But she is very ok with just being fuck buddies. We are scheduled for an afternoon of fun on Tuesday. I can't wait to get ahold of those beautiful big Columbian titties. Still at a 7/8/8/9. Very sensuous and probably the 2nd best fuck of the group.

REVVO_SB5: No activity her. My little European baby is still working at her modeling stuff and is starting to go from free to getting expenses paid to actually getting paid. Will talk to her next week and see how things are going. But as a rule I try to only fuck two a week.

REVVO_SB6: So this one was REVVO_POT4 and is now a new baby. She is my cute little girl next door. Hard working hard playing. Two jobs and love outdoor sports and working out. Very very busy. We had a hell of a time getting together and my patience and her good communicating finally made it happen. She is a little dream. Cute head, HYB 23 YO dark eyes brunette, spinner body 5'1', tight and right small breasts and sweet ass. I give her a 8/9/8/7 so far. She is a good kisser. And she hosts. Reasonable and willing and appreciative and wanting to be with me. It was our first session and was a little rushed but it went well. She has a really nice phat pussy and very responsive. I think she may be ATF material. The CPO is so low. I can fuck her two times a week and it is about as much as fucking the other ones once a week. And if I put her on an allowance and make her my main ATF. I figure around 800 per month for 6 or more visits per month. She could single handledly drop my expenditures in half. And I need that. She has a boyfriend but he is long distance and does not look like he is doing the job. As with most young babies she needs some training and warming up. But the potential is immense. She is ready to see me next Wednesday and so am I. I will wait for a couple of more sessions then we can talk allowance. I am thinking 800 per month for 6 visits per month.

There it is. A lot of stuff. But still cutting down. I believe the normal babies are as skittish as the hot young ones. Just seems like it is after the first date they bolt. It is strange that here I am knee deep in pussy and all I can think about is the ones that got away. Another subject for my therapist. LOL.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Marcus Weiner; 1861372]Greetings all. I have read this thread occasionally since I'm not all that far from Richmond (Baltimore) , but I've noticed that the contributions made are from all over. I'm proud to say that I now have a regular rotation of about 4 or 5 SB's that I see a few times a-month. One is in her late 30's, blonde, long legs and lots of fun. The next is mixed Chinese and Russian, short but with nice breasts and a banging body. The next one is married, late 20's from South America, super-hot and always horny. The last one is an exotic dancer (stripper) , Latina, almost 6', former model and just so much fun! I started this with the Non-Pro scene a few years-ago on CL and BP. I met several young ladies looking for a fast financial fix, and more regular and long term. Most said that they needed help with a phone bill, car payment, etc. But some were more direct asking for a monthly allowance. I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I haven't posted on CL in a while, but have had an ad on BP running for some time and it keeps getting responses. Mostly from women that I'm not attracted to, until the other night. A very sexy 20 something, single mom. Mostly, I have been using WYP and have been fairly successful with that site. Most of the women on there are very attractive, but while most are looking for that "arrangement" they also expect you to pay them for a date without any dessert. I'm sorry again guys, but I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MW[/QUOTE]Welcome brother. But I must say if you have that many nice babies in a rotation. Then maybe you should teach us a thing or two. Tell us some stores. How did you get the ones you got.

How are they long term? Any gotchas or pitfalls. We like to hear it all. Hell just look at some of mine. Right now you are looking like a real stud.

I personally never shell out money for M&G and if they are asking for that they may not be an amature. By the way what is CYP?

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1861338]And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for your kind words. I'll be reading your stories with eager anticipation. The answer to your quick question Revvo is anything but quick . LOL

The" formula " for each one of us depends on our age, looks, charm, and sugar offer. Some of you come in with impossibly cheap (or free) babies and others spend a fortune. I am in the middle. I am lucky to have everything in the plus column except age, so I feel that I need to pay a little more to compete in the market I like, The 20s. I am 60ish, look 48 to 52 but still waaay too old for a 22 yr old to feel like I could possibly be an IRL candidate. Some of you are 30 to 40 and 20 somethings can see you as a potential lover rather than a daddy. Therefore they might be willing to date you for gas money or a nice meal. I'm a sugar grand daddy (SGD).

Ratings : (only make offers to the best)

Are totally personal, so my 10 might be your 8. But I do set pretty high standards. I only contact girls who are 8+ in the looks dept to begin with. I require a firm toned body and a pretty face, so right off the bat I have an 8to10/8to10/ ?/? . Occasionally the pics might be 5 yrs old and 20 Lbs lighter and if I am in a dry spell I will try them out, but will not keep them in the rotation. Attitude counts for a huge amount and can skew your impression of looks by virtue of her presentation. Finally, skills do not matter to me if looks and attitude are right. Plain vanilla fucking is still a hell of a lot of fun with an inexperienced girl who is eager and enthusiastic.

Location is key:

I believe you need to be in or near a large metro area with multiple colleges nearby. Central Va is ideal because Richmond is only 60 to 90 minutes away from DC, NOVA, and Tidewater. There is a huge military presence in Tidewater and my last 2 SBs were both military. Without counting there are over 10 colleges within 90 miles of Richmond. That represents a lot of HCBs who are broke and know about the Sugar world. You must stay at least 60 miles away from your home base if you have a SO. This allows you to date in the open more easily and hopefully not get spotted.

Sugar :

Last but not least. I pay $$.5 sometimes including Notel. If I pay for a Notel I add another $50. The total damage is $$$ plus entertainment. I usually take my baby out to dinner for an extra $ 50 to 75. The last Baby to scam me took $$.5 that I prepaid after seeing her for 5 or 6 times before that, but she didn't require food since she ate earlier with her kid, so in the end I saved a lot.

Perhaps I don't bargain hard enough but I feel that the price is fair if service is great.

Bottom line, if you are having a hard time attracting quality Babies 1) expand your search area to include a market I described above. 2) Polish your game by studying the "book" we all wrote. 3) set your standards higher, and 3) up your Sugar amount. You might not be as cute as Big Tigg or have game like F Scott and Hollywood.(Many of you are superstars, I don't mean to leave anyone out )

So I pay my dues on SA & jump on this one with profile # 1707726. I will dub her GED. 8/9/6. We message a few times back & forth and she says "I want a sd that's smart and funny and a gentleman, who loves to have fun especially with me. 3k to 4k a month." I talk her into a per meeting instead of an allowance and she says $$ per meet. I told her I was decent looking and can only do $ per meet and she agrees. I don't hear from her for a few days and out of nowhere I get a text asking if I have some green. Really?

We start chatting and agree to M&G but with college football kicking things off, I told her we will meet when the game is over. She is 18, no car, lives with 2 roomates and stays a shade over an hour away. The game ends late, I tell her I am on the way & she wants to know if I am bringing the $ for "our meeting." Junior convinces me that all the nice restaurants will be closed & that we could maybe crash at her place and relax. I get to the general area and stop to get supplies for our meeting, I plug in her address in my phone to minimize data usage, then I get a call from her wondering where I was at. The call knocked my Gps off & threw me off my route. I was already running late since the route to her city was surrounded by trees trees and more trees & I didn't want Bambi jumping out in front of my car & ruining a good meeting so I took my time getting there.

I get to her place, she's outside on her phone so I don't miss her place and off we went looking for a place to eat. It's 1am so we pull in at the Waffel house. We chat, come to find out she didn't finish highschool but hopes to finish up soon. I asked how she found out about the site & she said she saw an ad online & a recommendation from Dr. Phil, so she was sold since she liked his show. She kept glancing at her phone & I could sense that she was giving her roomates a play by play analyis of how the date was going. Long story short, our meal doesn't take long, I glance around and I didn't need binoculars to see the number of motels that surrounded us. We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place, which was only 2 minutes from the house of waffels. She says we should meet again, we are in her driveway then asks if I am going to pay her. I inquire the amount & she say "oh, just $50." She is 18 so you can imagine the conversation we were having. Definitely not worth 50 beans.

I think, then I think some more, then thought about it once again. I gave in & gave her 2 crisp ATM 20's & two 5's. I was frozen in time as she grabbed the money, told me she feels a connection, and walked away towards her place. I am in my car still trying to piece together all the events from the time I left my house to the time I dropped her off, and at what point could I have saved myself the trouble. Maybe because it was late, and it was my way of saying thank you to her for waiting this late for a M&G but in the back of her mind, she is thinking "that was way too easy, I can make a living off of this." I pull up at a service station to browse some ads so I could justify the trip and guess who walked to the store to get 2 red bulls? The gentleman in me was nice enough to give her a ride back to her place but $10 for some waffels $50 for her presence. I was better off at home eating some left overs. The amount may not seem much, but the feeling you get afterwards. Is never a good feeling.

" We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place" Lori Truck.

I'm confused LT. The 1st thing out of your mouth in the post waffle experience should be "Do you prefer Motel 6 or 8?" When she says "I don't sleep with guys on the first date " you then say," Thanks for the interesting conversation, perhaps we can see each other again." She then asks "how about my sugar?" And you say " no sweets then no sugar " You get my drift? She played you nicely. You need to be direct and firm in your resolution to leave no motel unoccupied when you have a Baby in your car and money in your pocket. She wanted that money so you probably could have gotten her to give it up.

BTW, teeny boppers are fun to fuck but they are so skitzy. Be careful with them.

Lori,

You just had your first class in Sugar School, my friend. We all have taken Sugar 101, trust me, and some of us have paid far more than $60 for the privilege. Chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on, but don't let yourself get duped again. As I read the narrative, you had several opportunities to bail, but you went against your gut and proceeded anyway, hoping for a positive outcome. That rarely works, at least in my experience. Brother Fred offers good advice below as well, and really it seems like you just need to get some more field experience to polish your game. Remember, if the girl is a scammer and you are a newbie, she is already way more experienced than you are. You are a fish in a barrel, which is not a good thing.

Not to seem harsh, but it's best to put it behind you, learn what you can from it, and fix your gaze on the horizon. As has been said a million times, there are more babies being born every day.

Onward,

Scott

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1861646]I think, then I think some more, then thought about it once again. I gave in & gave her 2 crisp ATM 20's & two 5's.[/QUOTE]Here was the Bailing Point.

Just sayin'

Scott

The late 30's blonde, I've been seeing for about 6 months. She's always full of surprises. Lately she likes to come up late night / early morning and climb into bed with me. Last time she was here I fucked her in the shower. First standing up then she bent over as I fucked her from behind. I'll usually get a text from her asking me to leave the back door open, so she doesn't wake me up until she has her lips wrapped around my cock. The other 3 I just started seeing, however it did take 6 months worth of text messages and e-mails to meet the tall Latina stripper. She has a funny personality, very nerdy and dorkish, but we really connect and end up in the strangest discussions. She has probably the best body out of them all. Flat stomach, double-D's, pretty face, lots of tattoo's and she's 5'10 with very long toned legs. She's very sexual and has a Hitachi vibrator, that's her best friend when I'm not there. She loves porn and masturbates at least 3 times a-day, oh and she's a squirter. Truly amazing.

The married Brazilian I've been seeing for about a month, and she comes over to see me once a-week in the morning, after she gets the kids off to school and before work. She's the most passionate woman I've ever fucked and almost blow a load just from our make-out sessions. The girl is incredible and knows what she's doing when she fucks me. I only bring this up because I've been with some women that I don't have a connection with and therefore have a hard time cumming. I bust a nut very easily every time we fuck without much work.

The last one, mixed Chinese and Russian is very sexy. A true spinner with B / C cups. She doesn't like to kiss and this is becoming a problem, but she is very tight and I always cum when I fuck her. I can't post pics, since I've had this shit come back to haunt me before on the Baltimore Non-Pro thread. You'll have to take my word that they're all very hot looking, I've had my share of canine babies contact me. Oh and to answer your question WYP stands for whatsyourprice dot com.

MW

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1861582]Welcome brother. But I must say if you have that many nice babies in a rotation. Then maybe you should teach us a thing or two. Tell us some stores. How did you get the ones you got.

How are they long term? Any gotchas or pitfalls. We like to hear it all. Hell just look at some of mine. Right now you are looking like a real stud.

I personally never shell out money for M&G and if they are asking for that they may not be an amature. By the way what is CYP?

Revvo[/QUOTE]

You will get a smaller response if you heavily pre qualify. And even half the ones that say yes will flake prior to a meet. I always tell them very clearly that I don't pay to just hang out. And that to get the $ my dick has to be in play. I always say a HJ is cool knowing that 50% of the time or more, it will be more. And even if it is only a HJ, some making out, and a chance for me to feel the goods, its still a good way for me to introduce myself and see if there is any chemistry. Once a girl has seen you naked (or partially naked) she knows if she is going to want to have a second date (have sex with you) or not.

I don't really care for dinner dates as a first date, because until you actually are touching you don't know if there is any real chemistry or not. Kissing for me is an absolute (except with my roommate). I always tell them we are going to practice our kissing skills on the first date. Ask them if they are good kissers, and whats the oldest guy they have dated. Hopefully they tell me something under 30. If so I know they have an older guy fantasy. And I love to be the first guy to fulfill that.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1861675]" We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place" Lori Truck.

I'm confused LT. The 1st thing out of your mouth in the post waffle experience should be "Do you prefer Motel 6 or 8?" When she says "I don't sleep with guys on the first date " you then say," Thanks for the interesting conversation, perhaps we can see each other again." She then asks "how about my sugar?" And you say " no sweets then no sugar " You get my drift? She played you nicely. You need to be direct and firm in your resolution to leave no motel unoccupied when you have a Baby in your car and money in your pocket. She wanted that money so you probably could have gotten her to give it up.

BTW, teeny boppers are fun to fuck but they are so skitzy. Be careful with them.[/QUOTE]It's one of those situations were her reaction is unpredictable. She would probably refuse to get out of my car unless I paid her for her time. I didn't want to stir anything up. No telling, all it takes is a quick phone call to her roomies & my tires are slashed, or worse. I didn't want to leave anything to chance. Let's say she refuses to leave my car, & I refuse to compensate her, and I decide to pull off with her still in my car, then kidnapping & crazy things like such come into play, simply over $50. Watch the news, these things happen. Moving foward, if there is a second date, then being firm about which motel they prefer is a must. We try to be respectful and at times we are rewarded & the majority of the time, we are taken advantage of. She is young but not dumb, as she wore the look on her face that said " I got away easy without spreading. I spread some butter on my waffels but not my legs."

It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1862155]It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.[/QUOTE]LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1862235]LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.[/QUOTE]I really like what BikeRider has to say here. When you are in a scarcity mentality you have a tendency to keep trying for something that is already lost. Move on and find another one.

She seems a little on the NANO1 side anyway. Even if you did get her it will probably be trouble down the road.

Revvo

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1862155]but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.[/QUOTE]You are done with this one. Fuck the $50. What about the 4 hours of your time? And for what? To get flaked on. This is worse than flaking.

I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

[blue]New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

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[QUOTE=KingGreg; 1862440]I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

[blue]New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate the hardwork and dedication. Keep up the goodwork.

This is a girl I met a year ago at a party. She let me know that there might be some opportunity to sugar it up. After a year, we still have only what I refer to as outercourse. I know for a fact she lives with her boyfriend and has not been with any other guys. I like her so I don't mind investing $ a month (one visit a month) to keep pursuing her.

Not my usual M. O. There are exceptions to every rule. And she is one of them. 25 year old. 7/9/9/8.

Today she admitted to not doing the best job. I told her not to worry, I'll teach her how to do it the way I like.