Agency Discussion and Reviews

[QUOTE=BoMcC;6673359]HappyTogetherVA was in Mosaic pre pandemic. When they came back to the area after a hiatus I think they were in a Tysons Apt complex.

Hard to believe that no one who posts on these boards (or other review sites) wasn't picked up. Unless we're just the 1% of the 1% who like to chat about it. When I was in a MP in MoCo that got busted while I was there you're damn right I was posting about it when I got home.[/QUOTE]Something like 20 johns squealed out of the thousands of visits that have taken place over 3 years. It's statistically possible, but then there's also more than just this board after all.

[QUOTE=ClassySemite;6673441]I've been seeing girls in BEG, Boston10, blossom, angels, AG, BO, and a ton of other places the last several weeks consistently multiple times a week and no one has reached out to me. They have all my PI too. I'm not worried, but I told my lawyer just in case.[/QUOTE]It's ironic that, in spite of their requests for intrusive levels of PII from us clients, they still got busted. I don't think it was us they needed to worry about.

AP:

Ada: Not the girl in the picture. Not even close. Face was okay but body flabby. She left quickly. She stopped here for few days en route to Chicago. So agency don't care.

Blue:

Berry: big face and not the girl in the picture. Maybe agency used ultra filter and removed 50 lbs. Disappointed. Left quickly after 5 seconds.

Taking a break from low quality. Super glad I have SB.

I'm confused how beg still appears to be operating. The site is up still and seemingly updated. Someone mentioned that they have visited recently. How can this be? I understand if they are continuing surveillance but if the alleged operators have been arrested. Confused.

[QUOTE=Max#01;6673582]It's ironic that, in spite of their requests for intrusive levels of PII from us clients, they still got busted. I don't think it was us they needed to worry about.[/QUOTE]Ironically, it was 100% "us" who got them busted. From the report, they had nothing but money laundering until they got the mongers to flip. Dudes straight up admitted to everything as they were walking out and handed over their phones for corroboration LOL. I mean, I get the fact that a lot of mongers are trying to hide cheating, but it's comical to read that report and see how everything is built around the testimony of the mongers. I still don't know why you wouldn't just say that you went there to vent, talk, and cuddle with the girl. Ask them to give you play by play of what happened in room and if they did somehow have evidence, then you can sing to your heart's content. Otherwise, as lawyers will tell you, STFU.

PII can help filter out bad customers and potentially cops from getting in the door, but it can't help the agencies protect themselves from customers pooping their pants at the first tough question from a cop.

[QUOTE=Derilious89;6673677]Ironically, it was 100% "us" who got them busted. From the report, they had nothing but money laundering until they got the mongers to flip. Dudes straight up admitted to everything as they were walking out and handed over their phones for corroboration LOL. I mean, I get the fact that a lot of mongers are trying to hide cheating, but it's comical to read that report and see how everything is built around the testimony of the mongers. I still don't know why you wouldn't just say that you went there to vent, talk, and cuddle with the girl. Ask them to give you play by play of what happened in room and if they did somehow have evidence, then you can sing to your heart's content. Otherwise, as lawyers will tell you, STFU.

PII can help filter out bad customers and potentially cops from getting in the door, but it can't help the agencies protect themselves from customers pooping their pants at the first tough question from a cop.[/QUOTE]I would like to think that every one of us has already formulated how to respond to a cop stopping us when we leave (either on foot or at a contrived traffic stop). I guess a lot of guys buy into the classic cop extortion lie of "Tell me everything and I'll make sure the judge goes easy on you. " You've got to have the worse-case scenario figured out even before you go to the ATM machine.

[QUOTE=Max#01;6673739]I would like to think that every one of us has already formulated how to respond to a cop stopping us when we leave (either on foot or at a contrived traffic stop). I guess a lot of guys buy into the classic cop extortion lie of "Tell me everything and I'll make sure the judge goes easy on you. " You've got to have the worse-case scenario figured out even before you go to the ATM machine.[/QUOTE]Future agencies should include the Shut the fuck up Friday video for all their mongers within the text instructions when they open up again. Imagine how funny that would be, korgs informing mongers of their rights.

Look like BO is down I can't access it.

VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.

For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.

Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.

If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.

[QUOTE=NightHawk1967;6672949]Yep. My fave NOVA place now has cut back to one gal. Next stop close. Support your local agencies or go backs to jackin off for a while![/QUOTE]I guess I jack off between trips to NY and Philly now.

APC and BO have gone underground it seems.

[QUOTE=Kinoko34;6673970]VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.

For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.

Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.

If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.[/QUOTE]What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.

[QUOTE=Stroon78;6674059]What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.[/QUOTE]Checkout the Billy Murphy videos on youtube, he is a famous Baltimore City defense attorney and good at his job.

Blue and apc websites are gone.

[QUOTE=Kinoko34;6673970]VA is not a stop and identify state. Cops can ask you for your I'd, but you have no legal obligation to give it to them (UNLESS you are being arrested). You do have to present your I'd if they pull you over, which is why you guys should get into the habit of parking a bit away from the building. Stopping by a nice Barns and Noble or grocery store, somewhere where there's a lot of people before you go to your car is also a good idea. Uncle LEO is not going to watch the entrance to a store for the next 20 minutes, making a point to look at the face of every single person coming out when there's a new target going into the target location. The way they catch people is by seeing you walk out of the suspected building or room, then see which car you get into and then tell one of their colleagues on the road your plate so that they can pull you over for a pretextual stop where you then LEGALLY have to present your I'd.

For those of you not really accustomed to properly STFU when you are questioned, you start by saying you don't answer questions. Don't start by pretending to be cooperative and answer some of the harmless questions, only to stop talking once their line of questioning starts to get dangerous. Nothing more suspicious than someone who's completely willing to talk about the weather or last night's game, but suddenly shuts up about where they were or what they were doing. Your default is not answering any questions. Even when they ask stupid questions like, "do you know why I pulled you over," or "so where are you headed?" you simply tell them you don't answer questions.

Do. Not. Lie. To. Police.

If you tell them you came from one direction but they can prove you came from another, you are done. They can't nail you for lying if you don't answer the question. They will threaten you with arrest, they will tell you they already know what you did, they'll say any number of things to get you to incriminate yourself. Just remember, if they actually have concrete evidence that you committed a crime, they would just outright arrest you, not make you confess before they have you in cuffs and in a cell.[/QUOTE]You know, I think I get why I was never stopped now. I usually parked in that massive parking lot by the target about 2 blocks away and I'd enter the Barnes and Noble since I always got there a few minutes. Same with JJ clubs, I'd park in the mall, walk around a bit then enter once I got called in. Why the hell would any of you park so close?

Looks like apc and bo have disappeared without a trace.

Their websites are down.

Gents, we need to keep fucking these wonderful women so they stick around and visit our neck of the woods. Trying to decide who to visit now. Maybe Jisoo.

[QUOTE=Max#01;6673582]It's ironic that, in spite of their requests for intrusive levels of PII from us clients, they still got busted. I don't think it was us they needed to worry about.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I understand they do it for their own safety but something has got to be enhanced in the process to do this with more anonymity but still be safe.

[QUOTE=Alien988;6674103]Looks like apc and bo have disappeared without a trace.[/QUOTE]They'll be back. Sooner or later they'll come back. They always do.

[QUOTE=Stroon78;6674059]What impact does race play in this scenario? If a cop approaches a black or brown person it might play out differently. Jut saying.[/QUOTE]This is a bit of a different discussion, but overall you should be doing the same level of STFU, arguably more so.

Police are trained to get information out of you and are legally allowed to lie to you to do so. Not to get too much into this discussion, but you should always record every interaction you have with police, related to our shared hobby or otherwise. The moment they cross the line with what they can legally do to you to get that information, their body cam footage will, unsurprisingly, be hard or expensive to acquire, so you want a recording that starts off belonging to you--for a civil rights lawsuit.

I watch a lot of Audit the Audit and Lackluster on youtube.

[QUOTE=Kinoko34;6674318]This is a bit of a different discussion, but overall you should be doing the same level of STFU, arguably more so.

Police are trained to get information out of you and are legally allowed to lie to you to do so. Not to get too much into this discussion, but you should always record every interaction you have with police, related to our shared hobby or otherwise. The moment they cross the line with what they can legally do to you to get that information, their body cam footage will, unsurprisingly, be hard or expensive to acquire, so you want a recording that starts off belonging to you--for a civil rights lawsuit.

I watch a lot of Audit the Audit and Lackluster on youtube.[/QUOTE]Here's a link to the ACLU with information on being stopped. [URL]https://www.acluva.org/en/know-your-rights/police[/URL] Pretextual stops are covered here too.

What's crazy to me is BEG site is still up!! WT F?

[QUOTE=LuckyLuciano00;6674250]They'll be back. Sooner or later they'll come back. They always do.[/QUOTE]They all just waiting for everything to cool down, picking a new location or how they operate. Seeing how beg went down, they probably considering how to operate.

I went to this place back in Jan 2022, I didn't have to give them my pii, I got verified from ter and JJ club. I found an old text I sent them.

Thank you. She's great, dude outside in car made me so nervous and man in lobby. They had a fed look to be them I was nervous I almost left. But they left when I was done. Maybe I was Too paranoid.

And they responded with.

No worry no one knows. Thanks .

I've learned never give your private info. Stay safe gentle mongers but even back then I think the place was being watched.

[QUOTE=Ernesto88;6674104]Their websites are down.[/QUOTE]Website has them "on vacation". Hmm.

[URL]Happytogetherva.com[/URL]

"Prosecutors love to go after high-level folks because they can make a name for themselves," Mr. Rahmani said.

[URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JimRob;6674493]I went to this place back in Jan 2022, I didn't have to give them my pii, I got verified from ter and JJ club. I found an old text I sent them.

Thank you. She's great, dude outside in car made me so nervous and man in lobby. They had a fed look to be them I was nervous I almost left. But they left when I was done. Maybe I was Too paranoid.

And they responded with.

No worry no one knows. Thanks .

I've learned never give your private info. Stay safe gentle mongers but even back then I think the place was being watched.[/QUOTE]Usually you don't need to give PII if you a reliable agency to vouch for you. But most OG like DS probably won't take BG JJ or BO as a reference since they are so easy to get in. Also member shouldn't bring post the exact building where these agency are. All we have to do is give out the city name. My guess is fed was digging into the dude that did the fraud COVID relief program and stumble on the agency. Just follow the money.

Never lie.

And remember the script.

THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.

"Why did you pull me over?

(When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?

"I'm not discussing my day. ".

"Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).

" I invoke the fifth".

FYI: [URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/[/URL].

Are APC and BO closed? Or are they operational still and just websites are down? I've seen BO reports on TER posted just yesterday, which makes me think they're still up and running. Maybe they're allowing only limited clients to enter?

[QUOTE=DS080;6674846]Are APC and BO closed? Or are they operational still and just websites are down? I've seen BO reports on TER posted just yesterday, which makes me think they're still up and running. Maybe they're allowing only limited clients to enter?[/QUOTE]Also curious, hopefully they are taking a break.

Have to start hunting for new ones now.

[URL]Eros.com[/URL] has over 98 high-end prostitutes available only in DC area right at this moment and with Tryst 114! These bitches have the real list of the most powerful figures of the United States of America! But MTF Feds don't persue these bitches, fucking bigots! Let us watch how this circus show will be ended!

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;6674784]FYI: [URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/11/feds-peruse-client-list-of-powerful-johns-after-bu/[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCHung;6674736]Never lie.

And remember the script.

THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.

"Why did you pull me over?

(When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?

"I'm not discussing my day. ".

"Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).

" I invoke the fifth".[/QUOTE]This is universal protocol to avoid any dramas; thanks hung.

[QUOTE=SaintPolycarp;6675089][URL]Eros.com[/URL] has over 98 high-end prostitutes available only in DC area right at this moment and with Tryst 114! These bitches have the real list of the most powerful figures of the United States of America! But MTF Feds don't persue these bitches, fucking bigots! Let us watch how this circus show will be ended![/QUOTE]Most, if not all, of the women on Eros and Tryst are independents. It's harder to make a trafficking case against indies, and "trafficking" is a ready gateway for the feds to get involved.

Also, I don't think these cases are about specifically targeting providers who might have high-profile client lists. It seems to me that the article is simply pointing out what prosecutors are likely to do when such a list falls into their hands.

I know this thread is dedicated to agencies, but I made the point in the News and Media thread that (IMO) independent providers are a safer way to go.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9226-News-and-Media-Reports&p=6672253&viewfull=1#post6672253[/URL]

[QUOTE=DCHung;6674736]Never lie.

And remember the script.

THE POT BROTHERS AT LAW FAMOUS SCRIPT.

"Why did you pull me over?

(When they ask questions like where are you going? Where are you coming from? What is that smell?

"I'm not discussing my day. ".

"Am I being detained or am I free to go?" (If you are being detained, invoke the 5th amendment.).

" I invoke the fifth".[/QUOTE]IMHO, it's important to strike a good balance between asserting your rights and avoiding unnecessary confrontation with LE. That's simply because a pissed off cop is more likely to go out of their way to screw with you. You might be 100% correct, but they have 1000 different ways to f*ck with you.

I saw one idea I thought was pretty good. It suggested adopting a faux-confused attitude, as though you don't understand what's going on. Then, because you're so "confused," you tell the cops that you feel like you should talk to a lawyer before talking to them. The "L" word invokes the 6th amendment, which should be a (less confrontational, IMO) trigger for the questioning to stop. If LE persists, continue being "confused" and apologetic, while remaining firm about wanting to talk to an atty first. Just my two-cents' worth.

How long do you all think the agencies will be on vacation? My guess is they'll be back after Thanksgiving.

[QUOTE=BravoFox;6673267]Rebrands, new crews, websites and locations should do the trick. No way human trafficking sticks. All the girls I have seen took this as a job like any other, but this one pays a lot more. Thinking this has to do with Politics and elections right now. By next year it's going to be all about Fentanyl crisis.[/QUOTE]My friend is an FBI agent and he confirmed, this reads like a corruption case with FBI saying "look we did a thing" right before election season ramps up. He thinks local PD, politicians, high profile people might face pressure to resign or be exposed, but it's unlikely anything happens with the full black book.

Side note, seems like APC and BO websites down. I'm guessing they did this just to lay low for now?

Excellent lecture from Law Professor James Duane. Well worth the watch.

[URL]https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=4AZvUzz2JuSQ_qHA[/URL]

The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.

This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.

[QUOTE=Derilious89;6676140]The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.

This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.[/QUOTE]It's unlikely that anyone will be individually outed to their family. That would not only be stupid, from a PR standpoint, but would also (as you mentioned) leave prosecutors and LE open to legal actions.

If, for whatever reason, they want to out people publicly, the smarter way to do it is to either find some kind of pseudo-legal pretext or else find some way to orchestrate an "accidental" release that can't readily be traced to anyone. I'm sure there are a number of slimy, publicity-hungry media outlets that would be willing to assist.

It's the non-public use that should be most concerning to some. While flat-out blackmail is unlikely to happen, knowledge is power and some high ranking officials may be faced with a choice between resignation or becoming the subject of a separate (non-criminal) investigation. Most govt officials have some kind of security clearance, and that's the likeliest method of arm-twisting I can think of.

And, since govt and private sector bigwigs tend to benefit from a double standard, it's probable that they'll be allowed to handle their problems differently than the smaller fish. They have influence and stuff to bargain with. It's the lower and mid-level guys who are more likely to get screwed, and not in a good way. Suspension or revocation of a clearance is a career-ender. The feds don't have to tell your family anything because it'll be up to you to explain why you lost your job and are unemployable in your (former) chosen field.

Note: Just for clarification, I'm not saying any of this Will happen, only that it's possible and anyone who thinks they may be at risk should prepare for worst-case scenarios. Also, for those who are still inclined to trade PII for access to pussy, these are some of the associated risks.