General Reports

Met with Misty. She wanted $$, but we agreed on 1.5. Then she tried to talk me into more. She took a call during the middle of our session and made an appointment with another man in half hour. The session was rushed, and I doubt I'll call again. YMMV

Hey Guys,

I went and visited Farren from craigslist last week.

[url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/245006911.html[/url]

She was in a decent hotel in sharonville. I spent 1/2 hour with her for 100. She had a good attitude and seemed clean/sober. She has a very nice body and all those pictures are def her. Her funbags are huge. lol

I got bbbj, cfs. She seemed open to alot.

Worth the time if you are looking for something different than the streets.

Johnny

Destiny finally arrived to my hotel. It's about 12:40AM -- I think it's a little problem with her driver (agent?)

She is a slim young gal. Not good looking (face 5/10) but has a great body shape (body 8/10). She's friendly and not rushed in service. All in all, I am satisfied with her attitude and service.

gegewu

CALL GIRLS AND SERVICE PROVIDERS

Gegewu glad you had a good session with Destiny. The lateness is something I've always expected when dealing with Call girls coming to you. I've stated in earlier reports that Destiny was good and not a cash & dash or would rush the session like so many. I've seen her several times and had the same good unrushed session with her. Unlike some girls that were good the first time you see them but become a YMMV girl.

This brings me to point out what any guy can do to improve the service quality when meeting a service provider for the first time from a web site, Craigslist or from a reference by another guy. When paying $ to $$$ you want the best and these providers are not SW and they expect you to behave like a gentleman.

#1
Treat the girl like a human being, not an object Hell, be _nice_. In every walk of life and in every profession people who treat others with kindness, compassion and caring generally get better service.

#2
Insist you wear a condom. If Any escort doesn't insist on that, I'd bail out on the premise she takes way too many risks. She will have one, but I suggest you bring your own, several in case one breaks or whatever. Especially if the girls will do multiple shots and most all will. And get good condoms and not the kind you buy at the local gas station bathrooms. According to the girls those from a gas station has a foul taste if you know what I mean.

#3
When you meet the provider at your place or hers and ready to show the money do this step. Best course of action is to just place the money on a bedside table or hand directly to the girl without saying anything. Repeat don't say anything. I've always just laid the money on the table next to the bed where they see me doing so and no talk of money. That shows you are not vice and to protect yourself.

#4
DO EXPECT that she may, phone in to let her security know I'm there and that things are going well. Also DO EXPECT that she will call after the session is finished to let them know she is OK and leaving for the next session or whatever. Most smart girls do this and it's a very quick thing and then the session will begin.

#5
Do expect the girl to turn and leave if you use any specific words that can lead to her arrest. "Hey, babe, how's about a quick blow job?" will make most escorts leave quickly, both because those words describe an illegal act and because you'd be proving you're a crude dumb-ass. You can NOT use any such words...at least not until you both have decided you aren't with a cop and are naked. Then you can get more specific. Guys this is important if you want the session to go real well and not make the girl feel uptight about you if your talking sex stuff as soon as you enter the room with her.

#6
The provider don't want to get busted. Don't be surprised if you are standing there waiting for her to do something and she asks you to take off your pants and shorts to expose your dick. By getting naked will prove you aren't a cop (although it really doesn't) but it's a step in the right direction that you are NOT VICE. The more you show you're not Vice the better she will feel about you. She may want to see your I.D. especially if you go to her place.
You can do this smoothly and quickly when you meet by putting the money down on the table and begin taking off all your clothes immediately with out her having to ask you.

#7
This is also important to know. Be clean up and don't smell like crap and walk in drunk. I've read many reviews by the guy on the providers but I've know what the providers say about some of their clients. If you smell like a damn goat and your breath is worst than any B.O. I can assure you that the session will be quick and rushed or she will call it off depending on the provider.

#8
If you had a great time with her then tell her you appreciated the session. Women like that and you'll be on her good list and may get a deal on your next session. Maybe you might want to even tip her an extra .10 to .20 but that's up to you.
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SW IN COVINGTON
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Here's a SW I've been seeing from time to time. Found her roaming over in Covington. She a gypsy and sometimes I have her digits ( regular phone not cell) but she moves around a lot but she calls me and we get together. She does FS and BBBJ and really gets into it when I bang her. Good kisser and nice personality. She didn't want me to show a face shot except when she's wearing clothes? I'm just going to post a few shots of her here. Enjoy.

FYI

This December 22th and 23rd thats Friday and Saturday if you want to hit a strip club for holiday fun go to Dayton Gold gentleman's club in Dayton, Ohio.

Great club, woman are good looking better than anything in Kentucky's Covington, or Newport. The girls give great lap-dances and you can do some touching. A more relax atmosphere than anything near Cincy.

There is one stripper there I've known for the last 7 years and she is HOT. Her stage name is Brooklyn as in Brooklyn Bridge. She is a MILF with dark hair and eyes and a body that is tone and tight. Her lap-dances are the best. She would give me the best by working on my crouch and putting her breast right into my face and mouth. Not only that but she's incrediblly adept and skillful in her dances that she gets her crouch right in your face. You can smell her taste her vagina through her small tight thong her wears.

She is all so a great conversationist unlike most strippers at other clubs. All the girls will sit down and talk with you without trying to pressure you to spend money at first. They are there to make money but all so to get to know you. So much different than other clubs.

This weekend there are two porn stars and the place should be HOT.

Check out the web site: [url]http://www.*******.com/daytongoldclub[/url]

Just go up north on I-75 to Dayton exit 57B and you're there at the club on 2213 Wagner Ford Rd. just off north Dixie rd. There are other clubs up the road on North Dixie. This is also a road where you'll find SW's.

Harpo2U

As a businessman from Denmark who will soon be in Cincinnati (first two weeks in January), I would be most grateful to all fellow mongorers for some local Oh/Ky/Ind tips (I'd be happy to do the same for you if you ever make it to Copenhagen!). I have done quite a bit of research and have come up with some ideas but nothing really concrete as of yet. I can add that I know Cincy pretty well as I lived there about 15 years ago so no need to explain the neighborhoods though adresses are of course welcome. I should also state that I have no intention of chasing SW's from streets of Over-The-Rhine or West End.

Any more info regarding the following is sincerely appreciated.

1. Jessica's massage in Colerain- I'm convinced that she's hot but what's the adress/name of establishment. Is FS a possibilty? Send as PM if it feels better.

2. Cincinnati Exotics (Florence?)....not the hottest lot but one or two that caught my eye and nice prices.

3. Sexy Alex
[url]http://ohioharddrive.com/public/pages/sexyalex-template.htm[/url]

4. Amber
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A341379&name=body%20rubs[/url]

5. Brandy
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A350573&name=body%20rubs[/url]

6. Kendra
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A326570&name=body%20rubs[/url]

7. Shawna
[url]http://www.escorts.com/viewprofile.asp?m=2089663[/url]

I check out quite regularly both CL and City Beat.....but also read that neither site is very reliable and many are in fact traps but perhaps some of you have met some worthy providers on these sites?

Is it worthwhile to check out the Dayton Strip Clubs....I'm going to want more than some lap dances.

Sorry for the long post but I'm quite frustrated with my research so far. Not looking for deals as much as quality.

Vill tackar Er alla helhjärtig för dem bästa förslag. Knulla på grabbar!
(just in case you're worried that I'm LE. Doubt any 'snutar' in Cincy speak the Nordic languages.)

Thanx,

Za Grand Wazoo

Cincinnati Exotics - I have heard mediocre reviews about them. They seem overall flakey and less than enthusiastic.

I would say the strip clubs are worthless. Obviously you are looking for more than a hardon and thats prolly all you are gonna get. Plus you would drop some serious cash.

I have had some "luck" with cl and citybeat but I guess it all depends on EXACTLY what you are looking for and what you want to spend.

Johnny

[QUOTE=Za Grand Wazoo]As a businessman from Denmark who will soon be in Cincinnati (first two weeks in January), I would be most grateful to all fellow mongorers for some local Oh/Ky/Ind tips (I'd be happy to do the same for you if you ever make it to Copenhagen!). I have done quite a bit of research and have come up with some ideas but nothing really concrete as of yet. I can add that I know Cincy pretty well as I lived there about 15 years ago so no need to explain the neighborhoods though adresses are of course welcome. I should also state that I have no intention of chasing SW's from streets of Over-The-Rhine or West End.

Any more info regarding the following is sincerely appreciated.

1. Jessica's massage in Colerain- I'm convinced that she's hot but what's the adress/name of establishment. Is FS a possibilty? Send as PM if it feels better.

2. Cincinnati Exotics (Florence?)....not the hottest lot but one or two that caught my eye and nice prices.

3. Sexy Alex
[url]http://ohioharddrive.com/public/pages/sexyalex-template.htm[/url]

4. Amber
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A341379&name=body%20rubs[/url]

5. Brandy
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A350573&name=body%20rubs[/url]

6. Kendra
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A326570&name=body%20rubs[/url]

7. Shawna
[url]http://www.escorts.com/viewprofile.asp?m=2089663[/url]

I check out quite regularly both CL and City Beat.....but also read that neither site is very reliable and many are in fact traps but perhaps some of you have met some worthy providers on these sites?

Is it worthwhile to check out the Dayton Strip Clubs....I'm going to want more than some lap dances.

Sorry for the long post but I'm quite frustrated with my research so far. Not looking for deals as much as quality.

Vill tackar Er alla helhjärtig för dem bästa förslag. Knulla på grabbar!
(just in case you're worried that I'm LE. Doubt any 'snutar' in Cincy speak the Nordic languages.)

Thanx,

Za Grand Wazoo[/QUOTE]

Had a real good time with one of CL girl called Intrigue. Called up and setup convinent time to meet in one of the decent motel.She is the same as in picture,Very neat and clean.Showed real good time and paid $1.4.She also has listing in Eros.She said that she comes to Cinci quite often.

[url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/251439000.html[/url]

Though this one worked out fine, most of the CL listing in cinci section is crap.

She is travelling to St.Louis and I was the last one to checkout.She had another girl friend waiting in the running car(In fact it was BMW,Good to note they are living good). They are on the way to St.Louis.This is her friend.Both are listed in Eros under St.Louis now.

[url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/251627461.html[/url]

[QUOTE=JohnnyDoe]Cincinnati Exotics - I have heard mediocre reviews about them. They seem overall flakey and less than enthusiastic. Johnny[/QUOTE]

Actually, I have been with Britany of Cincinnati Exotics. This was before my move to another city. Overall, I had a fantastic time with Britany. She was beautiful, enthustiastic, and very very skilled at what she does. It was worth the $$ I shelled out for the experience.

Now, to the rest of the gang (Giani, Word, etc.)... MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! I hope you get your ho ho hos. :)

When I get back into town, we might have to share a beer.

I was with Brittany from Cincinnati Exotics once (in April of this year). She was rushed, hot in the face (but waaaay too much makeup), and she was kind of a flake. FS, though.

B

What a disappointing city. Roads are in terrible condition, cops patroling like the nazis, and no one, and I mean no one out this past weekend. I have been here since Friday. I put 300+ miles on my car cruising the streets. NOTHING.

I know it's Christmas weekend, but I would have figured I might have found one Jewish SW. LOL I think it would be easier to find a needle in a haystack then a sw on the streets of Cincinnati. I am so glad I left to another city 6 years ago. I can't imagine how bored you all are here. Craigslist offering 2-3 decent gals for top dollar. You can find 50+ girls for 1/2 the asking price in Detroit. In light of all of the other problems, the only thing Cincy has over Detroit (and I know since I have lived in both) is that Cincy finally has a decent football team (compared to the Lions).

Look me up in Detroit and I will show you the right place to go. Better yet, bring your passport and come to Windsor where it's legal and less than 1/2 the price.

Anyone ever check her out? Looks too good to be true!
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A296310&name=body%20rubs[/url]

[QUOTE=Danw1234]Anyone ever check her out? Looks too good to be true!
[url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/adult/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=oid%3A296310&name=body%20rubs[/url][/QUOTE]I sent her an e-mail but didn't get a response. I'd like to know if she's for real, too.

Was in downtown last week looking for some company. Drove through OTR for a while and then tried lower Price Hill. No luck, so went back to OTR. Saw a hot lsw, quickly turned around, and picked her up. I had been checking out another wsw, but liked the lsw better. She said her name was Jasmine. As we were leaving we drove by the wsw and Jasmine said hello to her. Turnes out, her name was Heather and it seems they were girlfriends for a while. Both girls were much better than average. .4 for fs with Jasmine. She claimed she didn't have digits but asked for mine. I said no, too dangerous. But, I'd love to see her, or Heather, the next time out.

Did a couple of circuits in OTR at lunch today. I saw three different county cruisers, two city cruisers, the city van, and a number of city bicycles. I also ran into something new, at least to me. Looks like they are using a white ford four-door with no exterior markings or lights. I noticed him when he pulled up behind me at a light, and I could see the two small square red and blue lights inside his windshield by the mirror. When he turned the corner, it looked like he did have a radio antenna on the back of the car, and appeared to be wearing a black uniform, so I'm guessing he was county.

Beyond that, I think I saw three wsw today. One with auburn hair looked pretty good, at least from a distance, but I wasn't about to stop today with that much activity roaming around.

Stay safe.

Hey all,

I have been seeing a lot of these "body rub" ads and I am wondering if they are legit or would just turn out to be an expensive waste of time. I did call one and had a good experience with a pretty cute, young blonde but I am wondering if that was the exception rather than the rule.

Please post or PM with any tips/advice/watch-outs. I would be happy to share what I know so far.

Thanks!

Spud

Things have been REALLY hot in OTR recently. With the following experience of a friend of mine from a week ago, it makes me leary to grace those streets these days... He asked that I post it for him, and not reveal his name.

This friend was in a vehicle from a county other than Hamilton (LE looks for out-of-county_cars). He, a white guy, was taking a black female out to a meal (not yet any contact--though it was most likely in the offing). Traveling down Elm, LE started trailing them. He is marking his laundry...

They turned towards Main, and LE flashes the lights. LE takes my friend into the squad car ("you are not under arrest...") while his partner questions the black girl in the vehicle. "What are you doing in this area? Why are you (a white guy) carrying a black girl in your vehicle? How do you know her? What is her full name? Don't you know that she is a known prostitute with a long record?" My friend says that he is taking her to get a meal, no $ exchanged, is that a crime? "You can still get arrested for hiring a prostitute, even with no money exchanged." [Is this correct???]

"Do you mind if we search your vehicle?" My friend, as most of us, seeing that saying "no" would wind up them both up at the precinct, says yes (hoping the girl is not carrying...). Luckily, no contraband was found. [Another lesson: do NOT be carrying when mongering...]

Bottom line, nothing was found, and LE told him (get this) "You don't want to get caught like this... Have them come to your place if you want to engage in this activity..." My friend was relieved. But I am pissed.

Sheesh. I personally have seen saturation coverage with LE, both city and county boys, as reported in several previous posts.

At the same time, I also have seen MANY SWs out there. But... be extremely careful, get the hell out of OTR, and preferably, cruise in areas less extremely hot than OTR for a while.

Sorry for the bummer post--but my friend had the sh*t scared out of him--and who knows what would have happened if she HAD been carrying???

Hoping for more pleasant posts and times,

Giani

This is response to Giani post #418.

One big mistake your friend made was giving consent to LE to search his car!
Again BIG BIG mistake and I'm sure some people will disagree with me on this point. Your friend was stopped because the LE were trying to find something to arrest your friend and or the girl he was with that day.

Another point to remember everyone, "NEVER BELIEVE COPS IF YOU GET PULLED OVER AND THEY JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU".

Your friend was stopped and what is called being detained. Obvoiusly he wasn't pulled over for a driving violation.

LE can detain you only if they have reasonable suspicion that you are involved in a crime. Detention means that, though you aren't arrested, you can't leave. Detention is supposed to last a short time, and they aren't supposed to move you. During detention, the police can pat you down and go into your bag to make sure you don't have any weapons. They aren't supposed to go into your pockets unless they feel a weapon.

If LE are asking questions, ask if you are being detained. If not, leave and say nothing else to them. If you are being detained, you may want to ask why. Then you should say the Magic Words: "I AM GOING TO REMAIN SILENT. I WANT A LAWYER" and nothing else.

A detention can easily turn into arrest. If the police are detaining you and they get information that you are involved in a crime, they will arrest you, even if it has nothing to do with your detention. For example, if you gets pulled over for speeding (detained) and the cop sees drugs in the car, the cops may arrest you for possession of the drugs, even though it has nothing to do with you getting pulled over. Cops have two reasons to detain you: 1) they are writing you a citation (a traffic ticket, for example), or 2) they want to arrest you but they don't yet have enough information to do so.

Now it doesn't make sense what the LE said about it's against the law to hire a prostitute and there was no money involved!!!!!!! If you ever been in a sting or watched the tv show "COPS" it's all about money!!!!!! If a undercover female cop posed as a SW and you the monger drives up and say "$20 for whatever BJ, FS,etc" you are caught breaking the law.

Never say anything to a COP than your name and home address and info that identify you. Don't get caught with their lies and tricks to say something that could get yourself arrested.

SEARCHES

Never consent to a search. If the police try to search your house, car, backpack, pockets, etc. say the Magic Words 2: "I do not consent to this search." This may not stop them from forcing their way in and searching anyway, but if they search you illegally, they probably won't be able to use the evidence against you in court. You have nothing to lose from refusing to consent to a search and lots to gain. Do not physically resist cops when they are trying to search, because you could get hurt and charged with resisting arrest or assault. Just keep repeating the Magic Words so that the cops and all witnesses know that this is your policy.

Be careful about casual consent. That is, if you are stopped by the cops and you get out of the car but don't close the door, they can search the car and claim that they thought you were indicating consent by leaving the door ajar. Also, if you say, "I'd rather you didn't search," they can claim that you were reluctantly giving them permission to search. Always just say the Magic Words 2: "I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS SEARCH."

Giani, your friend made a few mistakes and giving consent to a search was a big one. They were trying to find something to arrest him. If the girl was carrying drugs they probably taken them both in but if there was no search warrant and your friend tells them he dosen't consent then they can't use that against him in court. If he was by himself and got pulled over and all then it would be a different situation. But he didn't know if she was carrying therefore putting himself at risk if LE searches and find her carrying. She had time to drop any drugs under his seat before LE walked up to his car. Get the picture. Under his situation I would said no to the search and go through the hassle and protect my rights even if they make me wait for a warrant or take me to the police station.

Remember, anything you say to the authorities can and will be used against you and your friends in court. There's no way to predict what information the police might try to use or how they will use it. Plus, the police often misquote or lie altogether about what was said. So say only the Magic Words "I AM GOING TO REMAIN SILENT. I WANT A LAWYER" and let all the cops and witnesses know that this is your policy.

One of the jobs of cops is to get information out of people, and they usually don't have any scruples about how they do it. Cops are legally allowed to lie when they're investigating, and they are trained to be manipulative. The only thing you should say to cops, other than identifying yourself, are the Magic Words: "I AM GOING TO REMAIN SILENT. I WANT A LAWYER" And remember the Golden Rule: Never trust a cop.

Here are some lies they may tell you:

* "You're not a suspect -- just help us understand what happened here and then you can go."

* "If you don't answer my questions, I'll have no choice but to arrest you. Do you want to go to jail?"

* "If you don't answer my questions, I'm going to charge you with resisting arrest."

* "All of your friends have cooperated, and we let them go home. You're the only one left."

Cops are sneaky buggers, and there are lots of ways they can trick you into talking. Here are some scams they may pull:

* Good Cop/ Bad Cop: Bad cop is aggressive and menacing, while good cop is nice, friendly, and familiar (usually good cop is the same race and gender as you). The idea is bad cop scares you so badly you are desperately looking for a friend. Good cop is that friend.

* Prisoners' Dilemma: The cops will tell you that your friends ratted on you so that you will snitch on them. Meanwhile, they tell your friends the same thing. If anyone breaks and talks, you all go down.

* The cops will tell you that they have all the evidence they need to convict you, but that if you "take responsibility" and confess, the judge will be impressed by your honesty and go easy on you. What they really mean is: "We don't have enough evidence yet, please confess."

The Miranda Warnings

The police do not have to read you your rights (also known as the Miranda warnings). Miranda applies when there is (a) an interrogation (b) by a police officer of other agent of law enforcement (c) while the suspect is in police custody (you do not have to be formally arrested to be "in custody"). Even when all these conditions are met, the police intentionally violate Miranda. And though your rights have been violated, what you say can be used against you. For this reason, it is better not to wait for the cops to inform you of your rights or ask if you want to remain silent. You know what your rights are, so you can invoke them by saying the Magic Words, "I AM GOING TO REMAIN SILENT. I WANT A LAWYER"

LE was looking to make a bust and your friend was lucky that day. Did your friend called this girl and arranged to pick her up at so and so corner? Or did he drive by and saw her standing there and picked her up? LE is all over the place watching and it's hard to check around to see if anyone is watching you.

If you are in OTR have a good operating plan for driving through the area. Somethings I stop at a business and pretent to write down the address or stop to use my cell phone because I don't want to drive and talk on the phone at the same time, get it. I make stops at the Shell station for gas if I feel LE is following me on McMicken or Liberty St. During the summer I would stop and park near the "Lucy Blue" Pizza place on 12th and Walnut and meet SW near by out of my car. I can't be arrested or stopped by LE while eating pizza and talking to people, get it. Change the way you operate when looking for SW's. Have a city map in your car and you're looking at the area for a condo you're thinking about buying, get it. Have a plan if you do get stopped and more importantly KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!!!!!
I speak from experience.
Don't believe cops if they want to stop and talk to you. They will do anything to make an arrest and let the city prosecutor decide your charges in court. If LE can scared you into confessing or saying something to get you arrested, they will do that any way they can.

Tell me what you guys think about all this because it's going to be like this for awhile in OTR.

BE CAREFUL AND STOP AND THINK ABOUT WAHT YOU WILL DO

Harop2U

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This is a POST that can NEVER be repeated enough !!!!
It was just posted again last Summer (06). The poster gave a web site to go to, to know your RIGHTS. It should be a part of the Header next to the Home and Forum buttons.

I have been Stopped before and I have NEVER EVER, consented to ever have my car search. Even when threatened by Cops that if I am not hidding anything, what harm is it. Or that they can have a drug dog down in 30 minutes to walk around the car. I still say NO !!! I don't do drugs so, there is nothing to hide, but I will never give up freely my constitutional right(s) regardless.

Ask any Attorney and they will tell you exactly the same. Ask the proper questions, as if you can leave. If you are being detailed or arrested
" KEEP QUIET" even if they say the girl told them everything. A decent Attorney can CRUSH that statement easily.

The Police are hoping you are Too Afraid and will talk, or the you don't know your right, because they will lie to you, or that you are just being a good citizen .... Yea, Right !!!!

That same goes for your Home as Will as your Car. Go on line to
Lexus Nexus ( I think that is the spelling ) and you can buy copies of The Ohio Search Warrant Laws, and the ALMIGHT .... Ohio Revised Code. Get two copies, one for your home the other for your car. And let the Cop know you wish to knowthe code he thinks your have violated. Watch how careful he will become as "NOT" to make a Mistake then.
This especially works for those City Wide small time Police Dept. like Arlington Heights, Reading, Norwood, Springfield/Springdale .... and alike.

If you can go to Finley Market, shop a little, so you have a decent accuse for being in the area, well at least during the day. At night stop at Ollies Troley for a bit to eat. It will cover a little, and Ollies has GooD food.

EVEN WILLIE CUNNINGHAM SAYS THE SAME ON HIS SHOW TIME TO TIME.
He is an Radio Idiot, but he still one damn Good Attorney.

G Man tell your Friend to buy the Book if he can, or go to someone law library.

HARPO YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY .... AGAIN !!!!



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[QUOTE=WordUp]
Lexus Nexus ( I think that is the speeling )
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Indeed you got that right - but "spelling" you did not... :)

But beyond all this legal advice below - I say - do not put yourself into the position were the Police even have to ask you to search anything. Then there is nothing to worry about.

If you get pulled over doing this hobby, then you need to stop doing it for awhile and reflect. You have done something to draw attention to yourself and thus the Police came into the picture. I have seen some mongers do some really dumb stuff out there, insofar as driving and the way they approach the girls. If you don't blend into the surroundings then you will stick out and the cops will have an interest in you.

Also be aware that the "Patriot Act" while the intent was to give Law Enforcement powers to fight terrorists, the same laws can be applied to any Americans and the definition of "probable cause" has been severely watered down.

Best thing to do if the Police pull you over is to only answer yes or no to questions and to cooperate. Do not offer information that is not asked for and keep you your mouth shut. Be polite. Do not agitate them or question them. Do not tell them how to do their job. If you do not have something to hide, then do not act as if you do. For me it is not a question of right or wrong or rights - it is a question of how long do you have sit there with them and go through that. For me - the answer is I want it over as soon as possible - thus, the less you prolong them the less time you will be there.

That is my word. :)

I decided to try the Trend in Ky, but on my way I drove through OTR to see what, if anything, was going on. I didn't want to do any business since I'd read reports on Vortex on Tuesdays, but was curious. Sure enough, as soon as I turned onto Liberty, LE showed up. When I turned, they went straight, so I drove through the area to check out the sights. One wsw, redhead, about a 7 on the first pass, and a blonde wsw, also about a 7 further down. I considered my options and decided the area was too dangerous. This was around 10:00 a.m.

Still, it's nice to know there is still some quality around.

To my friends on the board who busted the chops of my friend (see previous posts).

I agree that my friend might have handled things differently. But reconsider several facts:

He had, in fact, NOT picked up the black girl in OTR--he was IN FACT driving through OTR (BIG mistake) to take her for a bite to eat... He made no flagrant traffic moves, did not call attention to himself except... see next. (Yes--he WAS hoping for a little intimacy after the meal--NOT a crime, inspite of LE's claim.)

Yes, he COULD have argued with LE about the legitimacy of the stop (for which there was NOT even a flimsy excuse...) I mean, EXCUSE him for driving in Hamilton County with an out of county license plate--and EXCUSE him for having a black girl in the vehicle, he being white... (LE: "You know--it looks bad a white guy having a black girl in his vehicle..." Sheesh.) No traffic violation, seat belts fastened--the sole reason for the stop? Racially mixed couple, out of county license...

Yes, he COULD have "stood up for his rights" and said, "No way, you can't search my vehicle," even being confident that there was nothing in there by which they could nail him (no drugs, no guns, no nuthin'...). But, as BSG suggests--how much time do you want to spend in police custody to make a point? There are times when we take a stand, and are willing to be held in custody, or even go to jail for it--but (and doesn't LE know it) most of us duck and take cover. Yes, my friend copped out instead of resisting... Maybe I would have done differently--maybe not. And you???

I would love to hear of one of us who EVER said to LE, "No, I will only give you my name, call my lawyer. No, you can't search my car. No, I will not answer ANY of your questions..." If you have, let us know.

Short of that, we all agree that it is scandalous the way that, in the name of the Patriot Act, etc, that individual rights have been eroded, LE lies, schemes, deceives, and bullies the "underclass" in ways that violates civil rights.

What happened to "Law and Order" in the "Land of the Free?" And is there a way we can fight this injustice without going straight to jail or paying a lawyer big bucks??? Maybe not.

Giani

I'm from Indianapolis, but kind of keep an eye on the activities in the surrounding region as well, after all, you never know, a post from a nearby area may make me decide to take a road trip.

Here's my .02 about your friend's encounter. I am not a lawyer, so take it for what it's worth.

[b]{Fair Warning, and an Apology to all of you, and to Jackson. This is a LOOONNG post.}[/b]

[QUOTE=Giani]...Yes, he COULD have argued with LE about the legitimacy of the stop (for which there was NOT even a flimsy excuse...) ...No traffic violation, seat belts fastened--the sole reason for the stop?[/QUOTE]

You have every right to ask why you are being stopped. Yes, LE will come up with some BS excuse, but it's a good idea to let LE know that you know you haven't done anything wrong. You don't have to be confrontational about it, just ask why you're being stopped. They [i]have[/i] to have a reason. In fact, LE has to have what is called [b]"Reasonable Articulatable Suspicion"[/b] that you are involved in a Criminal Activity, or have demonstrably broken the Law (ie. speeding) to pull you over. Asking why you are pulled over lets the LEO know you are, at least somewhat, aware of your Rights. They will be a bit more careful during the rest of the encounter if, in fact, this is just a harassment stop.

[QUOTE=Giani]...Yes, he COULD have "stood up for his rights" and said, "No way, you can't search my vehicle," even being confident that there was nothing in there by which they could nail him (no drugs, no guns, no nuthin'...)...[/QUOTE]

Basically, the same applies to a search of the vehicle as does pulling you over in the first place. If a LEO sees something in plain sight which is illegal; drugs for instance, then they have Probable Cause. However, just searching in hopes of finding something is not allowed, and is a violation of your Rights. Unless they have PC, they are [b]required[/b] to secure your permission to make a search, and you have every Right to refuse a search. When they do search your vehicle, the trunk of the vehicle is [i]not[/i] automatically included in the search. They can only search the area that is in direct control of the driver at that time, that being the cabin of the vehicle. Permission to search the trunk is [b]required[/b], and it is separate and apart from the permission to search the cabin of the vehicle.

Also, regardless of what they would have you believe, if a guest in your vehicle is carrying something illegal, again, let's say drugs, then you [b]cannot[/b] be also held responsible, even if you know they a carrying. Of course, if your guest throws them under your seat, then you [b]are[/b] responsible, as it is your vehicle.

[QUOTE=Giani]But, as BSG suggests--how much time do you want to spend in police custody to make a point?[/QUOTE]

OK, some terminology clarification is in order here. "Police Custody" suggests that you have been arrested, and there are laws regarding how long you can be held before a hearing, how long before charges are filed, etc. I believe though, that you are speaking more specifically about "how long do you want to be stuck at the side of the road doing Stupid Human Tricks?" This is quite separate from Police Custody, and also quite different from being "Detained".

Being Detained means you are being held, basically for suspicion of a crime that they don't quite have enough to tie you to yet. It's the first formal step before "Custody/{Arrest}"

However, unless you are being formally Detained, the longest LE is allowed to hold you, and make you do the Stupid Human Tricks, is [b]20 minutes[/b]. That's why you should always ask if you are free to go/are you being detained. Generally, they will have to say "No", and establishes that you are not Detained/Arrested. Again, it let's them know you are aware of your Rights. You should ask this often while LE is questioning you. If, after 20 minutes, they have no reason to detain you, then you, legally, have every Right to leave. Of course, wording this to the LE is tricky, you don't want to make them think you are trying to escape, etc. and, granted, it takes HUGE cahones to say "OK Officer, we've been here 20 minutes now, am I being Detained? No, OK, well, as per my Rights, I leaving now.", but, those [i]are[/i] your Rights.

[QUOTE=Giani]There are times when we take a stand, and are willing to be held in custody, or even go to jail for it--but (and doesn't LE know it) most of us duck and take cover.[/QUOTE]

Correction, LE [i][b]DOES[/i][/b] know it. That's why they do it. They know that most people just want to get the whole thing over with as quickly as possible, hoping for the best, and get away with as little hassle, or as small of a ticket as possible. After all, everyone is taught to Respect the Law, and Police Officers. They take that very Respect for granted, and use it against you in order to try to get you to confess to doing something, or into giving up some of your Rights, so they can get a bigger case out of the encounter.

[QUOTE=Giani]I would love to hear of one of us who EVER said to LE, "No, I will only give you my name, call my lawyer. No, you can't search my car. No, I will not answer ANY of your questions..." If you have, let us know.[/QUOTE]

Ironically, as for giving them your name, it is your Right [i][b]not[/i][/b] to give them that information either. You don't have to give a LEO your license either. It is up to [i]them[/i] to positively identify [i]you[/i]. After all, we are not a "Papers Please" type of country. (On a related note, if you [i]are[/i] arrested it is your Right to refuse to be fingerprinted and/or have a mug shot taken as well. The Supreme Court has ruled that your fingerprints are your Personal Property, and you cannot be compelled to submit them. In some states (Indiana is one) LE will often times ask you to put a thumb print on a ticket you receive, you have the Right to refuse to provide that print as well.)

You have the absolute Right to Remain Silent. You are [i]not[/i] required to answer [b]any[/b] questions asked of you. None.

[QUOTE=Giani]Short of that, we all agree that it is scandalous the way that, in the name of the Patriot Act, etc, that individual rights have been eroded, LE lies, schemes, deceives, and bullies the "underclass" in ways that violates civil rights.[/QUOTE]

It's too easy to blame to Patriot Act. Granted, there are definitely excesses in it, but the major problems in the System have existed well before the Patriot Act was passed, and, we have all been trained to be submissive, and, as you put it, "duck and take cover".

[QUOTE=Giani]What happened to "Law and Order" in the "Land of the Free?" And is there a way we can fight this injustice without going straight to jail or paying a lawyer big bucks??? Maybe not. Giani[/QUOTE]

The Land of the Free is, for the most part, still there. We just have to be willing to stand up, and protect our Rights. "Duck and Take Cover" theories only help erode our Rights. Protecting them is the right thing to do.

Also, keep this in mind: the Supreme Court has also ruled that the protection of your Rights [b]cannot[/b] be converted into a crime. If you get arrested because you were protecting your Rights, then you have a Major League Civil Rights Lawsuit you can file for having those Rights violated.

Finally, a quick word about Lawyers. Unless your Lawyer specializes in Civil Rights Law, a Lawyer [b]will not[/b] go out of their way to make sure your Rights were not violated during an encounter with LE. Here's the reason: a Lawyer is an Officer of the Court. As such, they are not supposed to do anything which displeases the Court. Their [i][b]FIRST[/i][/b] loyalty is to the Court regardless of what they tell you. You are the [i][b]LAST[/i][/b] thing they are loyal to.

For best results, seek out an independent Civil Rights Group. NOT the ACLU, they don't care about most of the small stuff, they aim too high to be of help. There is a large, and growing, group of independent Civil Rights Libertarians who are more than happy to help. Do an Web Search for some of the topics discussed here, and you will find some info.

Here's the URL of the site that Harpo2u was referring to/quoting from: [url]http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=2605[/url].

Visit this site for information related to some of our other Rights that are constantly being trampled upon: [url]http://www.landrights.com[/url]. Warning, this guy has some odd ideas about Hydrogen Peroxide, and some other stuff, but, for the most part, alot of his information is true. I am acquainted with a person who is involved in the law, and he says most of the info there is valid.

Really finally, to answer your question: I have not yet begun to protect [i]all[/i] of my Rights when dealing with LE either. I generally give them my license, and answer their questions. I have refused a Search before, and the LEO didn't say anything, just walked around the car, hoping to see something that would give them PC to search. As I learn more from my friend who often deals with protecting our Rights, I learn more, and learn how to protect my Rights. Knowledge is the Answer to fighting the Injustice you speak of.

Wallie

PS, this whole conversation should probably, as Jackson suggested, be moved to the Legal Affairs Section of the Guide.

I would never allow a cop to search my car, especially if sw held drugs and possibly dropped it on the floor. There is no reason to give a cop more ammo to put you in jail. But even if I had nothing in my car, I will never grant permission for someone to rifle through my belongings. We do have rights.

[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S SUGGESTION[/u]:[/b] [blue]This is interesting, but you might consider re-posting it under the [u]Police Tactics and Legal Issues [/u] thread in the Special Interests section of the Forum where it will benefit the Forum Members who are specifically looking for this type of information. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]

Gents, in the effort to de-clutter your section of the Board, and in taking Jackson's suggestion that the conversation be moved to the Special Interest > Police Tactics and Legal Issues of the site, I have copied/pasted our conversation from Giani's original post through Weedman's most recent response into one report in that very section.

Hopefully, it will stir some activity on that Thread of the Board, since, again, Knowledge is Power.

I have pasted the Reports here exactly as posted, and hope none of you mind too much that I took the liberty of doing that.

The Legal Issues Conversation can be found at this Section of the USASG: [url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=491903#post491903[/url]

Wallie

On Scott St. for those unfamilar with this bar. I got a tip from the forum on this spot and stopped in. I got hit on by two WSW's as soon as I walked in. I'm not sure how legit they were since I wasn't really into an around the block .20 BJ at the time. Just thought I'd mention this place for anyone looking in N. KY.

Also looked like a fair amount of street action on Madison. Saw 2 WSW's about 10 pm.

Has anyone done a hit on this one yet? Could be the real deal. PM me.

[url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/258785831.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Jim 211]Has anyone done a hit on this one yet? Could be the real deal. PM me.

[url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/258785831.html[/url][/QUOTE]She's listed twice on CL: [url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/256735797.html[/url]

Tried contacting after her first post, but no answer on phone and no return call. Not sure what that means, if anything.

Craigslist removed it. It MUST have been real. LOL

Here's an idea when you want to talk about an Ad on Craigslist. Don't just give the link of the particular Ad you want to discuss. What happens to the Ad when it gets flagged or pulled from the site and you can no longer read it.

I find that frustrating. What you can do is create a file of that Ad and just up load it in your post like you would a picture. It's simple. Open the window of the particular Ad you may see of some hot chick advertising and go to file and hit print but then make a PDF file instead of printing a hard copy. You will then have a file with all the infomation and pictures of that Ad to share. The Ad will eventually be pulled from the Craigslist site but the file you had created will be there.

How many times have you read some guys post about a really great find on Craigslist and you click on the link he has provided and the Ad had been pulled! This way we can always see that Ad months and years later.

Just an idea fellows.

Harpo2U

[QUOTE=Cincy Sinner]She's listed twice on CL: [url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/256735797.html[/url]

Tried contacting after her first post, but no answer on phone and no return call. Not sure what that means, if anything.[/QUOTE]

Well guys I did contact her and she is in NKY in the Alexandria area and is a student at Northern kentucky Univ. She was real sweet and was only in the Cincy area only till Sunday Jan. 7th but is back in Kentucky tomorrow. That's why the Ad was pulled.
She offers nude massage for 1 hour at 1.0 and does full service at 2.0 an hour. From talking to her she is the real deal and I would go for it. She was sweet to talk to on the phone and was nice nad answered all my questions.

Here is her Ad which I've made a file from the CL.

If you see her please give us a full report

Harpo2U

From what I saw today on the circuit in OTR, LE has won that particular battle... I made two circuits, and saw absolutely nada except for a ?wsw in a hoody with a black dude near Vine--but there were no eyes casting about. Besides that one possible SW, nothing.

I spoke with a dude I know, and he said no way does he send girls out on the street in OTR these days. He doesn't even want to drive through the zone.

On the other hand, I only saw a single cruiser. According to Jim on the board, N Ky may be opening up, and I have had reports of Price Hill, both lower and upper as possible good fishing places...

I haven't even seen the trannies out these days.

So, if anyone has better news, let us know. And, (I am sorry to say) if you know of specifics, post that you have specifics, and offer to share via PM to trusted colleagues. I sadly agree that LE probably makes use of this board, so details should be kept among trusted fellow boarders.

One final sad note. Those of you who know Sauna, a sweet, mixed up afficianado of a variety of drugs. It was posted in November that she had been severely injured by an attack. I recently found out from a trusted source that indeed, someone (a John? A pusher? Who?) attacked her with a hatchet to the head. Severe brain damage. She is back home in Indiana, and has "the mind of a seven year old."

I would say this... If you know of mongers who are violent towards providers, TURN THE SOBs IN!!! If you have ANY info about this particular atrocity, post it on the board. Maybe LE might even make good use of it. It is unfortunately possible that LE was in fact using her to try to get to drug dealers (a rumor I heard.)

It IS interesting that many mongers develop warm relationships with providers (in spite of the scandal sheet reports). I considered Sauna a dear friend, and it deeply saddens me to hear of her condition.

Giani

Giani,

I understand what you say for sure, However I was out night before last and found the action fair to good,as far as total out and about. The quality was sub par for the most of them tho.

The time was around 8 to 9pm.

I still find early in the morning the best times to hunt. I turned a friend on to the routes to cruise and he informs me this morning he got lucky. I have yet to get the details but he said he got a pic.

I will see if he will let me post it here.

I can never find one willing to let me take her picture, even if its not showing her face. How do you all get this girls to let you take the pics?


Also, can some one pm me on the streets used in Nky, I drove for 2 hr there last week and came up dry, not even a maybe.

LPH, I feel is worse then OTR. I have yet to wonder in UPH at all.

I tried reading north out of town and seen possible activity, unconfirmed tho.
Had one flag me on 22&3 going into town the other day but it was near le station and there was no way I was doing that. I didnt even look that way.

What about Clifton and top of the Hill? Any to be had in that area?

I received this email based on a posting I made on CL Cincy. I replied to the reporter that there is no story here. What you have are 100's of horny guys on CL and about zero real women out there answering their ads. I told the reporter that 99% of the women's ads are spam. Still the story will go on - sex sells and everybody's buying. If you want her conrtact info let me know.
You could be on the news giving your opinion with your voice disguised.

Hi, I am a reporter with Channel 5 in Cincinnati. You do not have to be
identified, but I am doing a story on how all these people are turning to
craig's list for different types of encounters.
If you would be willing to talk to us...WE WILL CONCEAL YOUR IDENTITY,
CHANGE YOUR VOICE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME, please call me or
e-mail me.

Karin
Thank you!

[QUOTE=Monster #1]Giani,

I understand what you say for sure, However I was out night before last and found the action fair to good,as far as total out and about. The quality was sub par for the most of them tho.

The time was around 8 to 9pm. [/QUOTE]
I agree that the time of day has a major effect on success of SW spotting. Frankly, I generally cruise in the early afternoon. In the full daylight, one can scope out the scene much better, get a good view of the potential provider, and see lurking LE. However, the obvious traditional time for SW walking the walk is after dark. By the same token, driving the deserted OTR streets after 11:00 PM invites close scrutiny of LE.

However, the pimp I spoke with said that he does not let his girls walk in OTR anymore. Didn't tell me where they DO walk (I got thei mpression they are outcall these days. I might be able to get a number for trusted posters, but you know outcall is probably 2x-3x the street price.)

[QUOTE=Monster #1]I still find early in the morning the best times to hunt. I turned a friend on to the routes to cruise and he informs me this morning he got lucky. I have yet to get the details but he said he got a pic. [/QUOTE]
Amazingly, (I am still surprised) many mongers have luck just before dawn! I have seen several reports from guys on their way to work who had a pleasant diversion at 5:30 or 6:00 AM! Let's see that picture!
....

[QUOTE=Monster #1]Also, can some one pm me on the streets used in Nky, I drove for 2 hr there last week and came up dry, not even a maybe.

LPH, I feel is worse then OTR. I have yet to wonder in UPH at all.

I tried reading north out of town and seen possible activity, unconfirmed tho.
Had one flag me on 22&3 going into town the other day but it was near le station and there was no way I was doing that. I didnt even look that way.

What about Clifton and top of the Hill? Any to be had in that area?[/QUOTE]
NEVER seen anything but hot coeds in Clifton, and they are HARDLY casting the eye. Maybe along Vine or Clifton towards the top??? But, and I think I have a fairly sharp eye for such things, I never seen a working girl in that area.

REGARDING PICTURES: The best bet is with girls you have already been with and who know and trust you. Also, ask up front if they mind you taking a picture or two. I usually offer an additional 0.1 tip. You usually have to promise not to include their face. (Too bad--in my opinion, a full faced POV of BBBJ is as hot as they get, barring a facial. )

Be sure to park where flash will not draw attention, or in a well lit place where you do not have to use a flash. Also, if your camera has a macro feature, turn it on, because most really good pix are from a foot or two away.

Take a lesson from my experience: practice setting up the camera and taking a few shots BEFORE you are in the heat of the moment. Some of my early shots WOULD have been sizzling if they had been in focus, or I had used flash. I have attached a reworked collage taken without flash from a while back as a demonstration, as well as the original images cropped down to 648 x 648. (That is the maximum Jackson allows.) I figured the original images may not be worth posting in the original size due to low rez. Then, just to show the difference, I FINALLY got the flash turned on, and the last shot shows the resulting resolution.

And PLEASE don't post those postage stamp sized pix... They are more of a tease than satisfying...

Keep on (careful) mongering!

Giani

I hope you don't mind, I played around with your pics and got these results. Any better?

Were you in Parrets during the day or at night?

[QUOTE=Jim 211]On Scott St. for those unfamilar with this bar. I got a tip from the forum on this spot and stopped in. I got hit on by two WSW's as soon as I walked in. I'm not sure how legit they were since I wasn't really into an around the block .20 BJ at the time. Just thought I'd mention this place for anyone looking in N. KY.

Also looked like a fair amount of street action on Madison. Saw 2 WSW's about 10 pm.[/QUOTE]

If you look at the PhotoGallery regularly (and if you don't, you are missing some great pix), you probably know the name of "Tingleygood". He posts some of the hottest images on the Gallery. They are SO hot, that I have wondered... Indeed, the most recent set of hot pix which he posted and claims to have taken, have two problems: one, they seem to have been taken in 2000... (That is OK unless he implies that he took them recently?) and second, the guy in the picture (Tingleygood???) has a flaming case of herpes which he is sticking into "Jill's" mouth, as pointed out by Wanderer:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35736[/url]

Regardless of when the pix were taken, either TG is spreading around his rampant herpes, or he is NOT, contrary to what he claims, the guy in the picture.

Here is my post (putting my head on the chopping block) in which I question whether this particular emperor has no clothes:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=494711&postcount=2912[/url]

Most posters on Baltimore have hung me out to dry, especially Benchseat Rocks. Maybe I deserve it? My question is this, is there a level of honesty we expect from posters on this forum? From the responses in Balto, the consensusy seems to be that hot pix are more important than honesty in reporting who and when the pix were taken.

BTW, I guarantee that ALL the pix I post are pix I took unless I make the point that I have gotten the picture from elsewhere.

I just wonder what the posters in Cincinnati think about the issue of honesty in posting. Maybe, because there is so much dishonesty on the SW streets, posters take it that we too can play fast and loose with the truth.

ON ANOTHER SUBJECT (OTR):
BTW--yesterday, 14 Jan (around 12 noon when it was drizzling), absolutely ZERO SWs on the streets of OTR in the entire circuit (I have previously posted my favorite circuit). Now I wonder where they went, and how best to let each other know, since posting it here on our board obviously gives many more sets of eyes for LE.

Giani

I have recently responded to a couple of ads on CL and have gotten email responses where you get directed to the webcams site and are told to pay the $5 1 day fee to verify your're not LE. This is processed through Paycom.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

[url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/262449618.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Giddee Up]I have recently responded to a couple of ads on CL and have gotten email responses where you get directed to the webcams site and are told to pay the $5 1 day fee to verify your're not LE. This is processed through Paycom.

Does anyone have any experience with this?

[url]http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ers/262449618.html[/url][/QUOTE]Generally a big scam. If you read carefully, the $5 one day fee becomes an auto-renewing $39 monthly fee after the first 24 hours. The girl who is supposedly in the ad is never online to make the promised connection, so you waste the $5, and maybe more if you didn't read the initial signup carefully. They got me once for $5. The card processing site seems legit, just not the referring cam service.