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[QUOTE=RoaminRoman;3082167]As A2 and Jackson have reminded us on numerous occasions, the servers for this site are apparently located overseas and are, thus, much more difficult for US authorities to subpoena or seize. I'm not saying the risk to USASG members is zero, but I'd say that, based on A2's past explanations, we have a lot less to worry about than US-based server sites. Besides, writing a review does not equate to promoting anything. The guys in the article (I. E. , The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) were actually working with the agencies that supplied the Korean prostitutes, helping to coordinate the movement of the girls. Unless anyone on this board is doing that, there is little risk of anyone here being charged with a similar crime.[/QUOTE]I was aware of the servers being out of the country which is good. But remember the US has passed laws that reach worldwide I. E. The banking disclosure laws, so I am just saying that I would not put it passed them. I am sure the guys in charge would wipe the servers before that ever became an issue. Might want to call in Hillary's people on that one.

[QUOTE=RoaminRoman;3082167]As A2 and Jackson have reminded us on numerous occasions, the servers for this site are apparently located overseas and are, thus, much more difficult for US authorities to subpoena or seize. I'm not saying the risk to USASG members is zero, but I'd say that, based on A2's past explanations, we have a lot less to worry about than US-based server sites. Besides, writing a review does not equate to promoting anything. The guys in the article (I. E. , The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) were actually working with the agencies that supplied the Korean prostitutes, helping to coordinate the movement of the girls. Unless anyone on this board is doing that, there is little risk of anyone here being charged with a similar crime.[/QUOTE]Even though I am building a reputation as Bar Clamp on this site, I do everything I can to keep Bar Clamp and my personal I'd separate. I always use a VPN when accessing this site. Sure the NSA can probably figure out who I am but they are not interested in using their resources to go after dudes who like to rent pussy. Local LEOs aren't interested in busting through VPN firewalls, they want the low hanging fruit. Bottom line: keep your monger persona here separate from your real online identity.

I first want to say that anything I've ever said on this board is fantasy and billshit so I can Jack Off. Second we are moving to 1984 I saw that old movie recently. Very scary times.

[QUOTE=JimRob;3082906]I first want to say that anything I've ever said on this board is fantasy and billshit so I can Jack Off. Second we are moving to 1984 I saw that old movie recently. Very scary times.[/QUOTE]Since I stopped paying my subscription to Penthouse I have been uploading my letters on this site. By the way, I'm a millionaire fighter pilot cage fighter born in Brazil and raised in Paris.

[QUOTE=Derringer;3082056]And by "demand side" I mean new LE tactics being used against review writers.

Here is a national news article:

[URL]http://www.marketplace.org/2016/09/16/world/battle-against-sex-trafficking-turns-prostitution-review-sites[/URL]

This could have a broad chilling effect on those of us who write reviews. So should we be worried here or on the oThER board?

I'm very curious to hear your opinions about this one. To me, it seems there are constitutional issues of freedom of speech and freedom of association.[/QUOTE]I'm concerned, even if the servers are overseas. I recall reading a few years ago that one of the local police departments had supposedly infiltrated TER. Hopefully they haven't infiltrated this board as well. Unfortunately, the constitution and its protections mean nothing to zealots in positions of power. Damage can be done and reputations can be ruined even if police or prosecutors' actions are subsequently found to be illegal or unconstitutional.

I'm frankly surprised a judge hasn't struck down laws banning what is essentially consenting adults activity with an exchange of money being involved. Then again, I guess the anti-trafficking do-gooders want to hold everyone else hostage to their views.

It's like weed, I've never tried weed, but I think it should be legal. You see the government needs these laws that are vices to make money, all of them are getting high and paying for sex, everyone does it.

But if it's legal takes away the revenue they depend on and operate. What would happen if everyone obeyed the law? The police and government would rob us at 🔫 point like a common criminal.

My wife has given me pussy to get what she wants, should she be arrested? This world is just Fucked up.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3083076]I'm concerned, even if the servers are overseas. I recall reading a few years ago that one of the local police departments had supposedly infiltrated TER. Hopefully they haven't infiltrated this board as well. Unfortunately, the constitution and its protections mean nothing to zealots in positions of power. Damage can be done and reputations can be ruined even if police or prosecutors' actions are subsequently found to be illegal or unconstitutional.

I'm frankly surprised a judge hasn't struck down laws banning what is essentially consenting adults activity with an exchange of money being involved. Then again, I guess the anti-trafficking do-gooders want to hold everyone else hostage to their views.[/QUOTE]

The anti-trafficking do-gooders seem to assume that most providers are being trafficked against their will. I haven't found that to be the case during my visits with providers. I'll give an example from my early days of mongering. At that time, I frequently traveled and checked out places in other areas during my travels. I recall visiting an American massage parlor where the provider told me she was using her earnings to pay for her tuition and living expenses while pursuing a college degree. A few years later I visited the same place and saw a different provider. I mentioned whom I'd previously seen and found out she completed her degree, relocated and was enjoying success in her new career. Good for her.

[QUOTE=JimRob;3083403]It's like weed, I've never tried weed, but I think it should be legal. You see the government needs these laws that are vices to make money, all of them are getting high and paying for sex, everyone does it.

But if it's legal takes away the revenue they depend on and operate. What would happen if everyone obeyed the law? The police and government would rob us at 🔫 point like a common criminal.

My wife has given me pussy to get what she wants, should she be arrested? This world is just Fucked up.[/QUOTE]

Not to start a pissing contest with you, JimRob, but I have to correct a slight misconception in your post.

The "government" hasn't outlawed certain vices, like marijuana or prostitution, in order to make money. In fact, the government would very likely [U]increase[/U] its revenues if it legalized some of those vices, since it could then regulate (fees, licenses, etc.) and tax those vices. Plus, it could [U]reduce[/U] its enforcement-related expenses as a result of that legalization. Writing tickets and charging court costs is chicken feed compared to the taxes and regulatory income a government could obtain.

The reason governments outlaw illicit drugs and prostitution is because of the demands of the civil society. Whether the majority of society are hypocrites or prudes or whatever, most people do not want these things legalized, since they consider them vices or sins and don't want their government giving official imprimatur to those activities.

There's also a cost impact in legalizing them, at least with regard to illicit drugs (or even just marijuana). Legalizing marijuana usage would have a negative effect on businesses, insurance, and public health. Outlawing marijuana, while it wouldn't necessarily eliminate it's use (far from it), at least has a salutary and sobering effect on people in that it will at least discourage some who might otherwise partake.

At any rate, the government doesn't "make money" by outlawing these things. And, it hardly needs these as an excuse to rob us. It doesn't even need a gun, since it already has something much better: the IRS. If our government wants more revenues, it simply raises taxes (and fees) on us and on businesses. At least, it does so until there is major pushback in the form of electoral change and the like.

With regard to the world being fucked up: Yeah, you're right on that score, and we don't even need to point to the troglodytes who worship some 7th-century Middle Eastern death cult. We can see it right here at home, with protests, burning of cars, smashing of windows, looting of stores, and daily accounts of shootings in many major cities (including Obama's home town of Chicago, which looks increasingly like "Aleppo-on-the-Lake").

But, if your wife is using her pussy to get what she wants, that's [U]your[/U] fault. After all, you signed the marriage certificate and said "[I]I do[/I]. " Besides, man has been on the losing side of that situation ever since Eve suckered Adam into trading away his leisurely life in the Garden of Eden for a bite of her apple. So, why are you whining here? You're not likely to find many sympathetic ears in this forum. Life can be tough, but that's why Jackson created the USASG, right? Right. Here, at least, you can get an occasional freebie (info-wise, that is).

Have fun, stay safe, be careful, and (as another member admonishes) "[I]always be kind to the ladies[/I]. " Cheers, and peace out, home fry. Now, back to the exciting hunt for good pussy.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3084036]The anti-trafficking do-gooders seem to assume that most providers are being trafficked against their will. I haven't found that to be the case during my visits with providers. I'll give an example from my early days of mongering. At that time, I frequently traveled and checked out places in other areas during my travels. I recall visiting an American massage parlor where the provider told me she was using her earnings to pay for her tuition and living expenses while pursuing a college degree. A few years later I visited the same place and saw a different provider. I mentioned whom I'd previously seen and found out she completed her degree, relocated and was enjoying success in her new career. Good for her.[/QUOTE]100% true. This is the only profession that makes great, tax free money fast. Fuck 10 johns, make 1200 Plus less expenses. Alittle better than Mcds wages ehhh.

Most are not driven into slavery like that. I have been with and was boyfriend with quite a few over the last 15 yrs in this hobby.

PC out.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3084036]The anti-trafficking do-gooders seem to assume that most providers are being trafficked against their will. I haven't found that to be the case during my visits with providers. I'll give an example from my early days of mongering. At that time, I frequently traveled and checked out places in other areas during my travels. I recall visiting an American massage parlor where the provider told me she was using her earnings to pay for her tuition and living expenses while pursuing a college degree. A few years later I visited the same place and saw a different provider. I mentioned whom I'd previously seen and found out she completed her degree, relocated and was enjoying success in her new career. Good for her.[/QUOTE]It might not be 100%, but it's probably close to 98% of those adults in this business are [B]not[/B] being trafficked or coerced. Among the Asian population, and especially at the Asian massage parlors, those in this business are in it by choice because of its lucrative nature. Oftentimes, the women are in need of quick funds in order to pay off a debt or to obtain some much-needed emergency funds, which obviates the need to obtain a loan. One of the "Asian MILFs" that I met recently said she was trying to earn some seed money to eventually open a small restaurant, while another said she needed some extra money because she was taking care of her mother. Now, again, these might have merely been nice stories but, if so, then one has to ask why the girls were even offering those explanations at all. And, with regard to non-citizens (Asians, in particular) come here to work because their earning potential is so much greater.

Authorities, as well as so-called "women's rights" advocates (who are all too often ugly feminists who can't get decent dates or lesbians who resent the fact that men are "subordinating" the women), often use the excuse of "trafficking" in order to up the ante and be able to levy more serious criminal charges. Misdemeanor charges against AMP owners do little to discourage or eliminate AMPs; felony charges give the authorities more latitude in seizing assets and charging the owners and operators. Because some authorities are lazy, or because the desired laws that would allow them to enact the penalties they desire are not in place, charging people with "trafficking" (which can elevate things to a federal level) gives them more flexibility. Even if such charges are eventually dropped or lessened, they can encourage the defendant to plea rather than fight the charges.

Twelve Thai nationals and five Americans were charged with illegally transporting hundreds of women from Thailand and forcing them into prostitution in Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington, DC, and other cities.

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/1103161/us-charges-17-in-sex-trafficking-ring[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kijimuna;3101208]Twelve Thai nationals and five Americans were charged with illegally transporting hundreds of women from Thailand and forcing them into prostitution in Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington, DC, and other cities.

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/1103161/us-charges-17-in-sex-trafficking-ring[/URL][/QUOTE]Force, coercion and holding on to all the cash: those are signs of real traffickers who need to be stopped and put away for a long time. Now if only LEO would focus on those cases and leave the voluntary businesswomen alone!

[QUOTE=Kijimuna;3101208]Twelve Thai nationals and five Americans were charged with illegally transporting hundreds of women from Thailand and forcing them into prostitution in Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington, DC, and other cities.

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/1103161/us-charges-17-in-sex-trafficking-ring[/URL][/QUOTE]Several years ago, I was a regular visitor, on business to this land of gentle kind people. And yet, there is a dark side. I preferred Pattaya to Bangkok. Was there many years ago, when it was a beautiful beach with lots of talent walking around. Over the years it just kept sinking into the heavy sex trade. There were lots of go-go added as the years moved toward the 90's and the new century. Late 90's in one of the dance clubs (sucking a brew) noticed a very young girl, no more than twelve, maybe even less, sitting at one of the upper tables with a couple of bar girls. I started to ask about her and was told in no uncertain terms she was brand new. It was her second day in Pattaya. Seems, she was from northern Thailand and had been brought her by her family that were famers. We continued the conversation about what was going to happen to her. The manger had paid a nice price to bring the girl south and the plan was to work her for a period of time within the dance club, teach her the best way to service gentlemen. Then sell her virginity to the highest bidder. When asked how much would be the top bid, she said something on the order of 250 k to 300 k baht, roughly +/- $8000 US. How soon would that happen six months to a year. She then pointed out three other very young girls working as bar maids. Several months later, she was a bar maid and the Mama-son asked if I was interested. "Sorry, I would not even consider it. ".

[QUOTE=CoupleOfInches;3101410]Several years ago, I was a regular visitor, on business to this land of gentle kind people. And yet, there is a dark side. I preferred Pattaya to Bangkok. Was there many years ago, when it was a beautiful beach with lots of talent walking around. Over the years it just kept sinking into the heavy sex trade. There were lots of go-go added as the years moved toward the 90's and the new century. Late 90's in one of the dance clubs (sucking a brew) noticed a very young girl, no more than twelve, maybe even less, sitting at one of the upper tables with a couple of bar girls. I started to ask about her and was told in no uncertain terms she was brand new. It was her second day in Pattaya. Seems, she was from northern Thailand and had been brought her by her family that were famers. We continued the conversation about what was going to happen to her. The manger had paid a nice price to bring the girl south and the plan was to work her for a period of time within the dance club, teach her the best way to service gentlemen. Then sell her virginity to the highest bidder. When asked how much would be the top bid, she said something on the order of 250 k to 300 k baht, roughly +/- $8000 US. How soon would that happen six months to a year. She then pointed out three other very young girls working as bar maids. Several months later, she was a bar maid and the Mama-son asked if I was interested. "Sorry, I would not even consider it. ".[/QUOTE]Although this particular article references Thailand, you can find the problem all over the globe. For example, a Google search for sex trafficking in Europe will bring up many sordid stories.

The point I was trying to make in my post is that there are plenty of foreign-born providers, Thai, Chinese, Korean, Latina, European (etc.) who are working in the hobby on 100% voluntary basis. When LE uses the pretext of "trafficking" to go after them it detracts and diverts resources from the real thing.

[URL]http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/Paxton-to-Hold-News-Conference-About-Human-Trafficking-396213311.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DCBrand[/URL]