Rants, Raves, and Opinions

[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2301486]Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.[/QUOTE]I'm sure Roland became comfortable with her after awhile and treated her more as a friend than a working girl. I've done the same with one woman a few years back. I think she wanted out of this relationship and thought that if she steals from him he'll want no part of her anymore. After that amount of time the monetary damages could have been a lot worse if she wanted to steal prior. Sad none the less.

[QUOTE=ScooterAllCity;2301552]I'm sure Roland became comfortable with her after awhile and treated her more as a friend than a working girl. I've done the same with one woman a few years back. I think she wanted out of this relationship and thought that if she steals from him he'll want no part of her anymore. After that amount of time the monetary damages could have been a lot worse if she wanted to steal prior. Sad none the less.[/QUOTE]Scooter hit it right on the head. We had been "seeing" each other for almost a year and she had been to my place many many times so I trusted her. She was more of a Fwb than UTR, hell as far as I know I was the only guy she was with. For me it's not even the money, it's more that I could have "gone legit" with this one if she had hinted that way. She was truly a sweet woman. I felt like I was paying her for her time but not paying her for sex. She always enjoyed herself as well as I did.

Oh well. I'll give it the obligatory 1 week mourning period and then get back on the horse.

Roland.

[QUOTE=RolandDeschain;2301443]A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.

I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.

This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.

She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.

Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.

This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.

After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.

It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.

Roland.[/QUOTE]From what you describe here, I'd have been shocked to have that happen. Sounds like she not only blew a good thing, but must have picked up a bad habit. That's what usually omits logic from the equation.

[QUOTE=RolandDeschain;2301985]Scooter hit it right on the head. We had been "seeing" each other for almost a year and she had been to my place many many times so I trusted her. She was more of a Fwb than UTR, hell as far as I know I was the only guy she was with. For me it's not even the money, it's more that I could have "gone legit" with this one if she had hinted that way. She was truly a sweet woman. I felt like I was paying her for her time but not paying her for sex. She always enjoyed herself as well as I did.

Oh well. I'll give it the obligatory 1 week mourning period and then get back on the horse.

Roland.[/QUOTE]You have definitely been hurt. We are all vulnerable to women at times. I'm sure there is her side of the story. Such as a new BF and so what if she get another $150 severance check. She found a new sugar daddy she can fuck over that has more money than you. I can see the exact same thing happening to me so thanks for sharing. All of us need to do a reality check now and then. When you have a UTR staying over, she's having a great time, you're preparing breakfast, and treating her like a woman, gentle and kind. She's young and hot and you are an old fat dude (not saying anyone is). Whats wrong with the picture? You're banging this sweet thing and she has just cum for the 4th time. Yeah, sure she has. You paid for a show and your are getting it. At some level you want to believe she did cum and likes it. Maybe she did enjoy it. Just not as much as she let on. I've had them spend the night. They stayed because I have a nice warm house with a gas fireplace. They have a roach infested dump with chain smoking drug using roommates. Yeah the loved breakfast. Because it was homemade and not frozen waffles. A woman who cares about you will fuck you for free. No one gives a shit about me, I know. They love my money. They might like me, but they really wouldn't be there for me if I needed a friend. But I'd probably be there for them.

I got free massages now and then. Maybe once outright on my birthday from and indie. A few for helping some Asian with limited English solve some problems. Never once has an escort every said its free and wanted an exclusive relationship. I'd never be so whipped I would dare to ask nor would I want that. Sometimes I ask myself would I want to be seen with this woman in a public place? Even most of the hot ones I would say no. They are ok to fuck on your floor with the lights dim but you would see a lot of faults as soon as you had them in public. Would she want to be seen with me? Is that you're dad? Is that your daughter? So looks like we won't go there. I've been told I'm the best in bed, the best DATY ever, I'm so handsome, you're like my best friend, you'd make a great boyfriend, you treat me so good. But never a free one on the house.

[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2302071]I'm so handsome, you're like my best friend, you'd make a great boyfriend, you treat me so good. But never a free one on the house.[/QUOTE]These girls all have something they are supporting and even if they do like you enough to throw you a free ride those other needs don't take the day off.

[QUOTE=JackFlack;2302095]These girls all have something they are supporting and even if they do like you enough to throw you a free ride those other needs don't take the day off.[/QUOTE]A lot of the UTRs have been in bad relationships and abused. From what I hear from the women, many in the monger community and kind, gentle men who treat these women pretty well. They lay there and get paid while at the same time, get spoiled with genuine affection. How many of you have gone the extra mile to give one of these women some real pleasure before thinking of your own? A lot I know. Some of you guys are some real studs. A lot of legit women would be lucky to have you. Imagine if you just put 50% of what you put into pleasing some of these UTRs and escorts into pleasing a wife or girlfriend? Those wives and girlfriends would be quite happy. I've never had a real girlfriend for any length of time nor have I been on many real dates. I'm the guy at the movies who is by himself. After about an hour I really can't deal with being with someone. Even the one's I am super attracted to, a hour is all I can put up with. I've had all nighters and I've even kept pets around for a few weeks. Not often and none of them are around now.

What I hear from women is that the 50 year old fat dude knows his way around a clit and G spot than the 25 year old stud the meet at a bar. And you give it 150% when its a 22 year old spinner instead of 50 year old 200 lb Ethel back home.

This sow belly has been hanging around for a long time and keeps promising to leave damn, find a cargo plane and get her out of here!! Anyhow, I can't imagine that any guy would be hard up enuf to see someone like this, or for that matter, half of the cows that post on BP [ATTACH=CONFIG]360727[/ATTACH] Just ranting! Thank you.

Couple of points to make about the rash of full mailboxes we have seen recently:

1. I learned the hard way that your Sent Mail counts toward your 100 pm maximum. I kept getting full mail box warnings even though I maintained a minimal amount of received pm's. It was only after I started cleaning out my Sent items that I could stay comfortably under 100.

2. You don't have to post a message about full mail boxes. Our fearless administrator sends an email to anyone that has a pm bounce.

[QUOTE=OlderFunGuy;2329363]This sow belly has been hanging around for a long time and keeps promising to leave damn, find a cargo plane and get her out of here!! Anyhow, I can't imagine that any guy would be hard up enuf to see someone like this, or for that matter, half of the cows that post on BP [ATTACH=CONFIG]360727[/ATTACH] Just ranting! Thank you.[/QUOTE]Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:

Mmaforever.

Senior Member.

Natalie in waukegan.

I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.

[QUOTE=Jkbald;2346398]Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:

Mmaforever.

Senior Member.

Natalie in waukegan.

I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.[/QUOTE]Cool I guess I didn't notice that they could pass for identical twins my mistake [ATTACH=CONFIG]363089[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]363090[/ATTACH].

[QUOTE=Jkbald;2346398]Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:

Mmaforever.

Senior Member.

Natalie in waukegan.

I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.[/QUOTE]I'll have some of whatever he's smokin.

What I am referring to is Pimps. They are the vermin of this trade. A hold over from the old times, and sadly a nessicary evil that has to be dealt with more and more. They control rates, movements, services, and availability. The big question is, what benifit are they now a days? What does the girl (or guy) benifit from having someone take all their money, tell them who to see, where to go, how to talk, what to do, etc. What do most of them get in return? Getting beat, addicted to drugs and or alchol, your life ruined. The girls bring their pimps more and more to the nicer parts of town on their credentials, such as the most recent backpage review. This ruins the neighborhoods to say the liest. Ask yourself this, for those of you whom have the girls to your places, how do you feel to have a black thug hoodrat with a gun sitting in your driveway waiting to hear about all the nice things in your house that are begging to be taken, or him sitting in the next room at a dive hotel or hood house while you are tapping that ass?

There is no particular point to this, just a conversation starter.

[QUOTE=BigMilwaukee;2348262]What I am referring to is Pimps. They are the vermin of this trade. A hold over from the old times, and sadly a nessicary evil that has to be dealt with more and more. They control rates, movements, services, and availability. The big question is, what benifit are they now a days? What does the girl (or guy) benifit from having someone take all their money, tell them who to see, where to go, how to talk, what to do, etc. What do most of them get in return? Getting beat, addicted to drugs and or alchol, your life ruined. The girls bring their pimps more and more to the nicer parts of town on their credentials, such as the most recent backpage review. This ruins the neighborhoods to say the liest. Ask yourself this, for those of you whom have the girls to your places, how do you feel to have a black thug hoodrat with a gun sitting in your driveway waiting to hear about all the nice things in your house that are begging to be taken, or him sitting in the next room at a dive hotel or hood house while you are tapping that ass?

There is no particular point to this, just a conversation starter.[/QUOTE]These are BOYFRIENDS not pimps at least that is what I have been told by one particular provider. I have given up trying to explain to her that a black guy who beats her up and takes all her money and goes with her on every incall and outcall does not want her to be the mother of his children. She is a total servant. She can live only with him. The food, clothes, cigarettes and drugs she needs are provided by him. She does not have a penny of her own. Having said this, I'm not sure that having this pimp arrested would be a good idea. She has been so dehumanized that she is has become the most self-destructive person I have ever met. I truly believe that if she had a very profitable weekend incall and a reliable drug dealer that she would be dead of an OD before the next weekend rolled around.

[QUOTE=DewPoint4157;2348281]These are BOYFRIENDS not pimps at least that is what I have been told by one particular provider. I have given up trying to explain to her that a black guy who beats her up and takes all her money and goes with her on every incall and outcall does not want her to be the mother of his children. She is a total servant. She can live only with him. The food, clothes, cigarettes and drugs she needs are provided by him. She does not have a penny of her own. Having said this, I'm not sure that having this pimp arrested would be a good idea. She has been so dehumanized that she is has become the most self-destructive person I have ever met. I truly believe that if she had a very profitable weekend incall and a reliable drug dealer that she would be dead of an OD before the next weekend rolled around.[/QUOTE]This is the sad of thing, I've met providers who are unable to become independent, the pimp (or believe it the pimpess) recruit them into the business and they give them a down payment the first time which could be as little as something to eat, and they spend a lot of time making no money at all and some how they convince them they are doing them a favor, they learn to depend on the pimp in their travelling as many do not have cars or their license is suspended, lodging and backpage advertisement because they don't have credit cards, in the meanwhile they get used to that cheap booze and drugs which they need to medicate after suffering the abuse from the pimps. Some of the smarter girls are becoming independent, but it is just so difficult.

I have had several pm's concerning a possible Meet and Greet. The consensus seems to be that most mongers are not interested in meeting $300 and up providers. IMHO this is the wrong way to view an event like this. These girls are usually attractive, the & the free, low volume providers that provide GFE services on your initial encounter. Most importantly, they are reasonably sane and do not have a manager waiting for them. Part of the reason they charge so much is to screen away undesireables. They are not interested in guys with poor hygiene or guys that treat them like a piece of meat. Most importantly, they don't want anyone who is LE. I have been with two different $300 providers multiple times. I only paid the $300 fee for the initial visit. Subsequent visits were at least $100 less. I am not good looking nor a particularly great lover, but I am clean and respectful. I offer no guarantees, but I believe it is possible to eliminate the expensive first visit via the Meet and Greet, at least in some instances. I would be amazed if a Meet and Greet did not result in at least several "special" financial arrangements between provider and monger.