"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ;1851024]If I remember correctly that happened to me on SA once when I was trying to send multiple messages.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is limitation of how many messages you can send it in a day. I believe it is 100 or 50.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1850974]Hey Just 757, sounds like you have landed a Nando 1, and she is just using you as an ATM when she needs a cash infusion. If you want more emotional buy in then she is not the one for you, but if a fuck buddy is acceptable then keep her on the side and continue looking for a "real" SB. Tell her how it has to be since you are the guy with the $$. Yes, they have the pussy but she needs the $$. Tell her 1) no more nagging about money. 2) what her allowance will be. 3) expect to answer your texts within 8 hrs, and 4) hit the road if that doesn't work for her. And be prepared to drop her from your rotation if she defies you. There are plenty more where she came from.[/QUOTE]Fred, and 757,

My thoughts exactly. There is always a need for a Booty Baby or two, but don't let your heart, or head (the big one) get involved with someone like this. It is assured that she has not fallen for you in that way. If she's a good fuck, and you want to continue things, by all means do so. But I agree that ground rules need to be established, and don't worry about "hurting her feelings." As Fred said, she has the pussy, but you have the sugar. Each of these is something the other wants, but there is more pussy than sugar in the world, I promise you.

Peace,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott;1851089]but there is more pussy than sugar in the world, I promise you.[/QUOTE]Way more. Way way more. lol

My new baby is gonna be here soon. The 21 AA HCB. She is so sweet. Making sure most of the sugar goes into beauty today. Pedicure, new dress and sandals if I can find them. She is dressing and grooming per my request today.

Have 2 m&gs set up for this week. A 27 AA spinner type with a job and very ripe. Also a 18 petite latina beauty student. My super hot latina spinner from last week is MIA at the moment. Not hesitating. Just moving forward. If they snooze they lose.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1851126]Way more. Way way more. lol[/QUOTE]It's just how much are you willing to pay?

[QUOTE=KingGreg;1850295]Ron: Thanks but no thanks. If we can't teach lessons to these SBs then they will continue with other brothers of us. This girl can be easily taught a lesson. If I can do that help to my other SD bros then why not. This girl don't have car. And will come with you. I wish I could take her for ride or dinner on some other town (which she can do) and let her take a cab / taxi back. This will definitely tell her. That SDs know her.[/QUOTE]When a girl tries to sting us I think we should walk away without saying anything. Conversation adds to the drama. Swinging back isn't the answer. We cannot appreciate the pressure the girl must be under to get the point of entering pay for play in the first place. We cannot tell the desperate from the truly unfortunate, from the lazy.

No good comes from trying to hurt anyone.

We should simply walk away. It's better to err on the side of doing no harm. If we can't afford walking away we can't afford being here.

[QUOTE=Ron M;1851130]It's just how much are you willing to pay?[/QUOTE]I pay $ per visit. Whether its an hour or an overnite. I calculate all expenses into that $, such as food, nails, etc. As I am rarely alone, it does add up.

I have a different arrangement with my roommate as she does get free rent. So my cash out of pocket is far less.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;1850974]Hey Just 757, sounds like you have landed a Nando 1, and she is just using you as an ATM when she needs a cash infusion. If you want more emotional buy in then she is not the one for you, but if a fuck buddy is acceptable then keep her on the side and continue looking for a "real" SB. Tell her how it has to be since you are the guy with the $$. Yes, they have the pussy but she needs the $$. Tell her 1) no more nagging about money. 2) what her allowance will be. 3) expect to answer your texts within 8 hrs, and 4) hit the road if that doesn't work for her. And be prepared to drop her from your rotation if she defies you. There are plenty more where she came from.[/QUOTE]I have a little bit different take on this. I believe once you go down the road of negotiations with a woman about her body. It is going downhill from there. Nando 1 or not. 1. Don't get too attached to one SB especially at the beginning. 2. Don't negotiate, there are plenty more out there. Negotiating will lead to at the least hard feelings. And if you want a steady ATF type relationship negotiating will certainly hurt that.

She is probably thinking. I will do what I have to since he won't take care of me.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1851174]When a girl tries to sting us I think we should walk away without saying anything. Conversation adds to the drama. Swinging back isn't the answer. We cannot appreciate the pressure the girl must be under to get the point of entering pay for play in the first place. We cannot tell the desperate from the truly unfortunate, from the lazy.

No good comes from trying to hurt anyone.

We should simply walk away. It's better to err on the side of doing no harm. If we can't afford walking away we can't afford being here.[/QUOTE]Golfster,

I was looking to see if I could edit your post in the interest of brevity, but pretty much all of it, in my opinion, is relevant, germaine and instructive. I particularly like the "do no harm" admonition. This was Lit's mantra, if I remember correctly. It is sometimes easy to forget that, for the most part, these little fish are civilians who have entered the Bowl for a variety of reasons, sometimes more than one, and may just be experiencing a rough patch in their lives, looking for sexual excitement, or perhaps are in over their heads. One just never knows what the real truth is in any given situation. It is why I take so much effort to winnow out the pros and UTRs, who granted are still people too, but their skin is arguably thicker. Who among us wants to make a baby the same age as our children cry? Better to do no harm and walk away.

If you have been scammed and lost some money, consider it tuition, and learn from your mistakes. If I quit college the first time I got a C, well, I wouldn't have graduated.

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and as always, don't forget to write!

Scott

I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly naïve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post)

[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1851365]I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly naïve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post) [/QUOTE]About half of all young girls watch porn if for no other reason than to learn about sex. As they get older I think it tapers off. Although my X SO and I were addicted to it for years.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1846810]Well she did txt me back. Today I picked her up and went straight to the FC. We talked until I felt she was comfortable. We kissed for a few minutes and thats all it took. We were on for the next hour. She is a 7/8. 5/9/9. She originally told me she was shy about the sugar and did stop going on the site as she was creeped out fast. She is definitely a keeper for now at $ per visit. She paid for her own train ticket. A very sweet and quiet girl. Almost too quiet in bed. I asked her to tell me when she was cumming, but I just had to go by what I could feel as she was lost in the moment.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]268919[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Just dropped off this one. Saw her 3 times within the last 7 days for $$$ all expenses included. She certainly likes sex but her skills are not all that. This one will have to go to booty call status. I can easily keep her at $ or even less but it's time to do some more interviewing. I have re-evaluated her as a 7/8.5/8/7

She is definitely a FT college student but probably a UTR girl in training as I see she has been on the site everyday for the last few days. And along with some of her behavior a bit suspicious. No big deal, just an observation.

[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1851365]I had a very interesting couple of exchanges with my SB / mistress where she admitted she was up with insomnia so spent the time watching porn. It was a curious of mix of non-chalance plus slight embarrassment. I didn't delve into the topic, although I plan to when we're in a time and place where it seems like it wouldn't induce stress.

But I made the comment that I didn't realize that girls watched porn, and words to the effect that growing up it seemed primarily a "guy thing", and that my SO almost certainly didn't partake. And her response was,"really?"

So has anyone ever had that come up? I know that, for better or worse, porn permeates youth culture and must seriously affect their view of sex in ways it never did in my generation (where it was more of "oh! So *that's* how that works!"). I just figured it was only guys getting their sense of reality skewed. Didn't realize it went both ways.

Any experience with that with the SB's out there? Am I hopelessly naïve?

And as a side-note, tomorrow (plus the next day) is my "freebie". (see my earlier post) [/QUOTE]I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1851240]I have a little bit different take on this. I believe once you go down the road of negotiations with a woman about her body. It is going downhill from there. Nando 1 or not. 1. Don't get too attached to one SB especially at the beginning. 2. Don't negotiate, there are plenty more out there. Negotiating will lead to at the least hard feelings. And if you want a steady ATF type relationship negotiating will certainly hurt that.

She is probably thinking. I will do what I have to since he won't take care of me.

Revvo[/QUOTE]Revvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.

[QUOTE=Just757;1851588]I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.[/QUOTE]There won't be a "happy medium" as you put it. She'll keep asking for more until you walk away or make it clear she's not to ask for more.

You need to make it clear to her in a firm, non-negotiating manner that she gets $ (or what ever you've previously agreed) per meeting and no more. If you're afraid to walk away, you've lost any and all negotiating strength.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1851582]I love porn but find that my use of it is directly related to my ass catching. If I am in a dry spell I watch, if not I don't.

Porn is destructive to intimacy IMHO. It objectifies sex and women in particular. While interesting and instructive to watch it diminishes love making in preference to technique. The HCBs of today get their disconnect between sex and love from the media and hence pop culture. Why do you think the college girls think no more about fucking a random stranger for a few bucks than playing tennis or going to Walmart for a phone card? It's good for us but bad for the future of the Family.[/QUOTE]And in this forum, the majority of men here have wives and girlfriends, where they are talking about the best ways to cheat on their partners with women they pay to fuck them is building the overall health and strength of relationships and family.

Is this what this forum has deteriorated too in my absence?

I've had the porn discussion with my ATF. We both like the same kind (interracial: specifically black men fucking white women). When she was with one of her ATF's she had him take a picture (non-sexual) and she sent it to me. I joked that next time take one of them while they were having sex and send it. She asked me if I would really want to see something like that. I said yes. Hey I'm kinky like that. That is when she commented that she like interracial porn. But would not want to see me with another women.

SubCmdr

[QUOTE=Just757;1851588]Revvo, I think this is what happened. I could have probably took better care of her. But should I give in to her every demand? Like lets say she keeps asking me to break more bread, I'm concerned that once I keep giving more, the $ will go higher and higher. Which is my dilemma, keep her happy without having to break the bank. And I don't understand where the happy medium is.[/QUOTE]May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1852483]May be too late brother. You can try sitting her down during a quiet moment when the whole money issue is not hanging over your heads. This is very important women feel they don't think. When you negotiate with her she is hearing this guy really does not give a shit about me.

That is why it is important to find a neutral moment to try to take as much of the emotion out of it as you can. Then tell her that you are concerned about the additional money she is asking for and that you "FEEL" like this is excessive. Tell her how much you like her and how fond of her you are and how you want to see her long term. And that you have to limit how much you can give.

Now most likely this will not work. But at this point you need to be looking for someone else anyway. But there is a slim chance it may work.

Trying to figure women out let alone these babies is the road to lunacy.

Get more pots and so you have an abundance mentality. And be ready to make a change.

Be careful out there.

Revvo[/QUOTE]If you really want to get into her (or anyone else's head) , read this.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Magic-Translation-Neuro-linguistic-Psychotherapy/dp/1904424112[/url]

Shazammm! Just like that the SG dropped Pot# 1 a 20 yr old hottie into my lap who quickly converted to SB #3 She is a WF 9/9/9/10. Caught her posting day 1 with a M&G then straight to the FC within an hour. She is tall, lean, muscular, solid A cup, tight all over, sweet pussy, and appreciative of a pounding. She took me BB and received all I had to give.

The key to newbies is to close the deal quickly without giving them time to work through the 50 proposals that other SDs have proffered. Frequently the 1st in has the edge in this highly competitive market.

SB # 1 and 2 are on deck so should see SB#1 twice #2 once, and # 3 twice more this next 7 days. I can't afford it long term but short term I'm having a ball.

Life is good. I am appreciative

My original strategy was always M&G with FC optional until second date. That is not a winning strategy. Agree close the deal as fast as possible, hold the line on sugar and plow forward. I have lost several POT when M&G and second date were just too far apart. At least I think that is why.

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1853002]Shazammm! Just like that the SG dropped Pot# 1 a 20 yr old hottie into my lap who quickly converted to SB #3 She is a WF 9/9/9/10. Caught her posting day 1 with a M&G then straight to the FC within an hour. She is tall, lean, muscular, solid A cup, tight all over, sweet pussy, and appreciative of a pounding. She took me BB and received all I had to give.

The key to newbies is to close the deal quickly without giving them time to work through the 50 proposals that other SDs have proffered. Frequently the 1st in has the edge in this highly competitive market.

SB # 1 and 2 are on deck so should see SB#1 twice #2 once, and # 3 twice more this next 7 days. I can't afford it long term but short term I'm having a ball.

Life is good. I am appreciative[/QUOTE]

More than once the young girls (under 24) have told me that boys their age are not interested in pleasuring their partners, but want their nut on demand.

What the older guys offer is a sensitivity to the SB's need for satisfaction, ability to delay ejaculation, and a knowledge of female anatomy and physiology. It doesn't hurt that the older men probably have more available funds for the hobby.

Well I have been under the radar for a while. I took some badly needed rest. And caught up on some badly needed work. I was told by several very cool and smart brothers on here to slow it down. Take a break. And so I did. I stopped sending so many letters out and then stopped sending them out altogether. It helped me relax and gain a better sense of perspective. And also taught me to be less frantic in my pursuits. So much has happened. Game has definitely gotten better. Let's review shall we.

REVVO_ATF: Still my little Asian honey. Not seeing her too much because of our schedules. But parting is such sweet sorrow. But not as sweet as when we get back together and she wraps her little hands and mouth around my cock. Always trying to please and taking everything I can give her. Even though we see each other infrequently she wears a little ring on her finger to tell other guys to stay away. So considerate. Still a 9/8/8/10 great in bed and ready to be with me whenever we can. No drama whatsoever. Schedule is always tough though. Since she works in NY half the time.

REVVO_POT1:So this was a big bust. Took this one in the shorts. Supposed to be a fly-in and it was a no go. Lost money on ticket. But it wasn't huge. I give up on the flyin thing too many scams. See it happens to experienced SD's also. Besides there are plenty of cute girls in my are. Which is Florida. Why fly someone in. I am plugging a new one in here. She is a 37 yo white MILF with a real job and educated. Blond hair green eyes very cute and maybe a little too serious. She was off the site within 24 hours but I got her. Very very normal. Talks a lot but is sweet and genuine. I give her a 8/9/8. I met her and we had a great first date just like a couple of regular people. I worked her good and she was good to go. She would not however go to the FC. She has a rule about fucking on the first date. She is not very expressive but I can tell she really likes me. Do need to work on her affection a little. We did some great kissing and making out. Awesome titties and a killer ass, a little bit of a belly but she looked really good in a mini dress. She definitely turned heads. We are all set for the FC for Tuesday evening.

REVVO_POT2: So I am plugging a new one in here. This one I met on the site and had a very short message to her and got an instant response back. Absoutley beautiful. I give her a 10/9/9? And we chatted and talked on the phone. By the way talking on the phone is critical to qualifying. But evidently I did not qualify well enough. She was willing to drive up to me to meet. Very normal seeming good personality. About 23 YO white, sexy full lips big green eyes. Could really hold a conversation told me that she had a SD before and turned into a fiancé and she split with him. So we progressed to the meet and greet and even better looking in person. Looks a lot like Penelope Cruz, in fact she said that was her nickname when younger. She complimented me a lot and we had a great lunch. Two mistakes I did not escalate quickly enough. And two I talked about goldiggers from my past. Come to find out she had a few SD's mostly European and they were paying her up to $2k per visit! Some not even to fuck. Big problem. So we had a pleasant time and scheduled our next meet. But I could tell it was over. She was driving a Mercedes and was using the site to live a very good life. We never even talked money but we both knew it was not going to work. This was her business. If it was normal dating I could have gotten her. But she has to pay the bills.

REVVO_POT3:Since I did fuck her once I will make her REVVO_SB7 and categorize her as a booty call baby. But probably will not call her again. I have a new POT here I just met her online using a very short email again. Seems to work better with the younger more blunt types. She is blond blue eyed. Seems to have a good personality. The chemistry was instant. She is educated intelligent, has some tats. I give her so far 8/8/10? And she is very blunt on the site about what she wants and doesn't want. I think I may have a winner here. But I have been fooled many times. She is very sexualy expressive and communicative. Got some nice pics back. Wow what an ass! I am going to be all over this shit. I have squeezed her in for next Tuesday for a M&G. She has her own apartment so I believe she can host also. No talk about money and no drama. And maybe the best thing. She is really into me already. More to come on this one.

REVVO_POT4: This one was from a while back that finally responded to me. She is interesting and frustrating but may just end up being worth it. Very cute girl next door type. 24 YO white. 5'3'very strong body, cute face extremely active and athletic. I give her a 8/9/8? For now. We will see. Having a hard time meeting. She works a lot. But she communicates well and has had to back out of one meeting and then got into a bad car crash before the 2nd one. But she still wants to see me and we are scheduled for a M&G tomorrow. Lots of talking on the phone and texting. She has expressed great desire to see me. And is reminding me about our M&G tomorrow. But I am always keeping my eye out for cold feet. As usual we shall see. But she has her own good job and apartment and would not have to worry about hotels with her.

There were other POTs but nothing really happened and I can only write so much. HAHA.

REVVO_SB1:Literally have not heard from her for two months. Until today she texted me and of course she is patiently waiting for me to come and fuck her and let her suck my dick. I am going to try to squeeze her in next week. May not happen. But I will try. 31 YO white blond. 7/8/9/9 very orgasmic and very horny.

REVVO_SB2:Plugging a new one in here. This went from 0 to 60 really quick. In three days. A cute 23 YO brown Brazilian princess. So full of fun and life a bartender and has worked at Tilted Kilt and is now at another restaurant. I give her a 7/8/9/10 boy could she fuck. This is a very sensuous, feminine, sexual woman. We chatted we talked on the phone we had great chemistry. Then we finally met and had drinks at a nice bar. It was instant attraction. Very sexy young woman. We ended up all over each other. And got a hotel. We got there late at night and fucked like rabbits. Slept in each others arms. She is a world class snuggler. Very very important. Lots of hugs and kisses and cuddles. And I will never forget as soon as I got naked standing there with my hard on and her looking up at me with those big dark Brazilian eyes and saying innocently, put it in my mouth. Then she eagerly blew me like a master. It was a great experience. Man what a juicy pussy and so responsive, she would quiver when you touched it. I never paid her anything. Since she was such an amateur and we never settled on anything. I will be fucking her tomorrow afternoon and will bring some nice gifts this time. So far no drama and absolutely no talk of money. Plus she has her own apartment with a gay roommate. Just a matter of time before I can partake saving lodging costs.

REVVO_SB3: This was one I contacted way back in May and she popped back up. She is an AA from Morroco, and very cute and nice body. We chatted online for a few weeks and finally I picked her up this week and we went out and had dinner and then the FC. Looked better in the pics but I will give her a 8/7/5/5. She just did not have the personality I had to do all of the talking and all just about everything else. She never put her phone down and said very little. Not very affectionate. But she was juicy and orgasmic. And I only popped once. Just was not into doing all of the work. She told me I was her third man ever. She was so week I only gave her 150. I usually donate 200. She wants to get together again and I can use her as a booty call baby but I probably won't. We shall see.

REVVO_SB4: My little Colombian princess. We had 1 wonderful fuck session since I last reported. And fell exhausted in each others arms sleeping to the rain outside. So cozy. Three pops and many orgasms. She left me exhausted and covered with coconut oil. A great lube and massage oil which she applied all over my body. She is very sexy but just a terrible communicator. She will probably fade out. Let's see if I hear from her this week. Shall we.

REVVO_SB5: My little European baby is always there for me ready to please. We have had a few encounters and they all have been good. 27 YO White blue eyed bruenette slim and tall, she is a 8/8/10/7. But she will do anything I want. So we have eagerly fucked a couple of times and she always patiently waits for me even if it is for a couple of weeks. She wanted to surprise me with a present so she did some sexy photos with a professional photographer and it has turned into a little bit of a career for her. She is getting multiple experienced professionals asking to work with her. And is already talking about paid jobs and an agent. She has a very European different look and she is in really good shape. Plus like I already know she is really easy to work with. Not like some of these vacuous stuck up privileged bimbos. She may make some money at this. Photos look really good.

That's it for this week. We will keep plugging. Membership has expired. I see no reason to renew for quite a while. In fact I haven't sent out any real emails in a week. And its been about 3 weeks since I really hit it hard. Lots of work. And lots of current pussy to service as it is. Several of these girls are like genuine girlfriends and will be happy with just gifts and no money. I may even wean the other girls off of money also. They have to go anyway. I may just ask each of them to keep seeing them without paying and see which ones stay. I can't keep up this many girls. Three at the most at expenses only may be my ideal situation.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

Again, with the caveat that I don't recommend anybody be as reckless as me.

An amazing 24 hours have come to pass. Circumstances led to my SB / Mistress to be in the next city closer to me for an appointment, and also with two days off from work. Somehow my devious mind got unusually creative, and a wonderful plan was hatched.

So the day before, I booked a room in a next-step-up hotel on Expedia, and picked her up from her appt that morning. Miracles sometimes occur, and I was able to get into the room by 11:00. Which led to four hours of sheer bliss. Damn she's an amazing kisser and cuddler, never mind the fact that she thanked me for what she called "the most amazing orgasm ever". Note to self: never do an overnight in a hotel with her, because she's *loud* when she's in the midst of multiple orgasms. At least during the day the worst that happens is we provide impromptu entertainment for the cleaning staff.

By mid-afternoon I had to get back to the ranch, so I dropped her off at the walking-distance mall so she could get a bite, and let her have the room to herself for the night. Besides being close to a bunch of stuff, there's a pool and hot tub in the hotel, of which she took full advantage. (remember our younger days when staying at a hotel was fun?) She luxuriated in an evening with little to do but soak and start a reading a book I gave her earlier, and enjoy a much better night's sleep than her usual accommodations.

Mid-morning I rejoined, and we made the most of every minute before noon check-out. I've been helping her out with some life-improvement issues, and so we took care of that after lunch and I dropped her back off at home mid-afternoon.

What's curious is that the most rewarding part of all this was giving her a little mini-vacation, and hearing the snippets of her evening over texts. She was just so damned appreciative, you'd think she was getting the royalty treatment. Talk about win-win: she got a break from her boxed-in life, and I basked in two days in a row of her wonderful company.

So yeah, yet another rule broken-never leave a SB alone in the hotel room. But this was after trashing the rule of "never break deep cover", and at this point the trust level is pretty high.

What a mind-blowing experience this is.

With all due credit to Revvo-be more careful than me out there.

Well, SB #3 is now EX SB 3.

When we talked prior to the M&G I asked for her allowance needs. She refused to opine leaving it up to me. We had a fabulous fuckfest as reported earlier. I slipped $$ gas money in her purse. Upon discussing act 2 to nite she laid out her demands which monthly were not unreasonable, but wanted a handful of cash before the weekend. She is now still looking and I am concentrating on my other two longish termers.

Bottom line, I got a great night with a hot young Baby. Most civilians would kill for a night with this hot young thing, much less dozens of them, so life is still good.

The take home message is that a strong sexual performance does not trump Do Re Me

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1853587]Well, SB #3 is now EX SB 3.

When we talked prior to the M&G I asked for her allowance needs. She refused to opine leaving it up to me. We had a fabulous fuckfest as reported earlier. I slipped $$ gas money in her purse. Upon discussing act 2 to nite she laid out her demands which monthly were not unreasonable, but wanted a handful of cash before the weekend. She is now still looking and I am concentrating on my other two longish termers.

Bottom line, I got a great night with a hot young Baby. Most civilians would kill for a night with this hot young thing, much less dozens of them, so life is still good.

The take home message is that a strong sexual performance does not trump Do Re Me[/QUOTE]Hey, I still would like to be in your shoes for just one day. Working on it.

Set up a new account and tested multiple browsers. Chrome is lightning fast. The number of fakes and gold diggers messaging me is hilarious. Targeting the new guy. LOL.

So far only one real message and that was from a girl with no pic (you figure out why). Her profile says she likes to cook. I forgot what it was like to be a newbie on there. I guess I will have to wait about a week to get past the gold rush.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1852553]If you really want to get into her (or anyone else's head) , read this.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Magic-Translation-Neuro-linguistic-Psychotherapy/dp/1904424112[/url][/QUOTE]Ross Jeffries fan?

I've never really believed NLP works. But I'm open to first hand experience reports of its success.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1795069]Thats a good question. For a tech company owner thats not a techie I know a few things. But can not definitively answer that question. I am sure someone can.[/QUOTE]Yes hidden AND encrypted. Google is your friend. Eom.

I seem to be getting lucky lately with some relatively normal women. I mean I have been looking for really hot sexual women and that was really a tough road. But normal women has now been a big success. And a surprise.

I have one MILF 37 blond blue eyed and very good looking. She has three kids divorced worked at same job 11 years is educated and self supporting. Se is extremely intelligent and prefers to talk about interesting things. How refreshing. No pressure no silliness.

I have a 27 YO single educated blond blue eyed honey, very attractive but not model material. She lives in the area she grew up in. Good job, stable with her own car and apartment. Has close ties in community and is happy to help her friends. She is very sexual and is crazy about me already. I can't find any craziness.

I have a 24 YO very cute girl next door brunette. Works at a good job and has a second job where she gets extra money. She is very responsible has her own apartment and car and is extremely active in sports and social events. She has strong ties in the community lives not to far from here rents who are still married.

These are all pots. No Drama no insanity. My question is. Too good to be true? Maybe. I know that I sure am thankful. My other question. Do you brothers have normal babies? If so where would they fall on the NANDO scale.

So pleased.

Revvo

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1854451]Ross Jeffries fan?

I've never really believed NLP works. But I'm open to first hand experience reports of its success.[/QUOTE]It absolutely works. But must be studied and applied. But even the basics give you a leg up in any negotiation. First started using it on the job about 15 years ago. Still look for que's when I am talking to someone.

The number of new women and women that respond is pretty low. I finally broke down and bought 1 month's worth.

Had my first hit, she did not have a pic. 21 year old African American spinner. She had recently been burned by a SD who saw her twice and was supposed to put money in her account. After he got the goods the 2nd time, he got her account info and disappeared. I promised her that that's not me. She attempted to come across as that was her only experience. I offered $800 per month to see her twice a week, with promised to go up to $1200. Let me be clear, I have 2 steady SBs who are really taking all my time and funds. I was also planning to hit this a few times and either bounce or drop one of the other ones.

She initially agreed, then kinda balked at the $100 per meet. Then more of the truth comes out. Oh I usually require $$ per date. (Wait I thought she was new and inexperienced. LOL). I then asked, well do you have your own place and do you drive? No to both. I told her without those two, I cannot commit to $$. Then she said well when I'm only getting $800 I usually only see them once a week. Again, thought she was a newbie, LOL. I said, without your own place and own transportation, I'll never be at $1600 per month!

She says she's willing to try $800. Then sends an email after seeing my pics saying she's not interested, that amount is too low.

Just goes to show, no matter how you meet, you still got to be on your SD game and stick to your guns.

BigTigg

My question is simple, but as with most simple questions the answer most likely is not.

Question. I'm a married monger looking for a decent / reasonable short term stay (hotel / apt, etc) to host a sugar baby that I've just met; any thoughts or suggestions?

A little more background.

I live and work near East Lansing, MI; I've been reading the posts in this forum for the past couple of months and have garnered valuable information to get my feet wet as a SD. My dilemma is one that has been faced by many a married SD I'm sure. My guess is there is no easy answer, but I hope that someone may have a creative solution that can work for me so thanks in advance for anything you can share.

Since I am married, I cannot reasonably host at my home; discretion is also important so most traditional hotels aren't an option, ; and notels, well are just not someplace to take a regular SB.

Earlier this summer I met a SB through CL; she is 24 yr old MSU grad student and she could host so this was great; for a variety of reasons, not the least of which has been a change in her ability to host, this SB relationship has gone to a holding pattern.

Today I met with another potential SB; she is a 21 year old senior at MSU and she can't host because she has roommates but is more than ready to consummate a reasonable SB / SD relationship if I can figure out the meeting arrangements.

Any help or insight any of you can offer will be most appreciated; please post or pm as you prefer.

All the best, #4025

There are a couple of things you can do and has been covered on many posts on here.

1. You can let your baby make the reservation at the hotel and then you can pay with cash.

2. You can get yourself a separate credit card that your SO does not know about.

3. You can also get a Amex gift card at most drug stores and put cash on it and pay with that.

Are you afraid of having your name on the room? You can also use a different name just a little out of sync from your real name on the reservation. Like joe Houston instead of joe Hudson.

I am sure you will hear many more ideas.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Member #4025; 1858272]My question is simple, but as with most simple questions the answer most likely is not.

Question. I'm a married monger looking for a decent / reasonable short term stay (hotel / apt, etc) to host a sugar baby that I've just met; any thoughts or suggestions?

Any help or insight any of you can offer will be most appreciated; please post or pm as you prefer.

All the best, #4025[/QUOTE]Hey #4025! Much space has been used to list the multiple ways to covertly secure a FC, so I won't repeat what is already here.

" traditional hotels aren't an option, ; and notels, well are just not someplace to take a regular SB."

I will rebut that statement. I have entertained multiple Quality Babies at Notels. Lately I found 2 $40 Brand Name Notels in 2 different cities on Hotels.com searching by lowest cost and they are just fine. Don't try to impress the HCBs with expensive digs, they want the $$. I tell them that I would rather spend the money on their needs rather than book an expensive Hotel. Not one seems to care. I book by calling the desk, ask for the internet rate , leave a credit card # to secure the room emphasizing that I will be paying cash and not to run the card unless I no show.which of course I won't. Now the innkeeper knows me by name and voice and doesn't even ask for a card. You could not get that personal service at The Hilton. My guy is Pakistani, owns the notel, and loves to see me coming. And Cum I do!

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1858318]There are a couple of things you can do and has been covered on many posts on here.

1. You can let your baby make the reservation at the hotel and then you can pay with cash.

2. You can get yourself a separate credit card that your SO does not know about.

3. You can also get a Amex gift card at most drug stores and put cash on it and pay with that.

Are you afraid of having your name on the room? You can also use a different name just a little out of sync from your real name on the reservation. Like joe Houston instead of joe Hudson.

I am sure you will hear many more ideas.

Revvo[/QUOTE]4025,

I often go to nicer, boutique-type hotels, which can be booked mid-week, when I prefer to play, through hotels.com or other similar travel sites for a fraction of the rack rate. I use a green dot card with about $25 on it to secure the room (most sites will let you do this, with the understanding that you will pay when you arrive) , then use my real name but a fake "business" address when checking in. I also make a point of saying to the clerk that I don't want any snail mail, email or other correspondance being sent to me. I am still leaving a "trail" but a minimal one which unless your wife has hired a divorce lawyer already, will probably not come back to bite you.

That said, in my 3+ years in the Bowl, I have never had even a tiny scrap of paper trail follow me home. I do make a point of avoiding chains where I have reward memberships, like Hilton or Marriott. But that's why I like the boutique hotels.

I agree with Nando that the babies mostly don't care, but some do, and I love a nice hotel room, so at the very least I'm booking it for me AND the baby.

I never check out at the front desk, just leave the key cards in the room and go. You may be apprehensive now, but start out practicing with Motel 6, like I did, and soon you will be booking the honeymoon suite at the Ritz, if there even is such a thing anymore.

Like Rev and Fred, I urge you to read back through the Club Journal. This has been covered many times, with lots of invaluable advice. At the end of the day, the Bowl is not without its risks, but we brothers share to help minimize them for each other as much as possible. Nothing can replace field experience, however. If you're not willing to get burned at least once, don't even pick up a lighter.

In other news, my current ATF, with my encouragement and help, applied for and was offered a fantastic job which will unfortunately mean she will move to NYC on the 9th of September. The company is in its infancy, but is a phenomenal concept that I am convinced will grow exponentially, and she is one of the people responsible for launching it in new cities across the country, and eventually intercontinentally. To say I am severly depressed would be an understatement of the greatest magnitude. I imagined us growing old (er) together, my brothers, but that now seems like a distant dream. Fuck, fuck and double fuck!

I am attempting to dull my all-too-real pain by fucking a hot AA spinner tomorrow, but I know it will be bittersweet at best. As I have said many times before, be careful what you wish for. The heart wants what it wants, and we are powerless in the face of its will.

As my BFF Magic said to me, I have been through this before and my next ATF is waiting out there for me, but from where I am at this moment, she is awfully hard to see.

Onward, and Brother 4025, don't forget to write!

Peace,

Scott

Well, fellas, its been awhile since I reported in. And what a year its been. I'll spare you all the gory details. But to sum it up I've continued to find success on SA, its been a great summer. Most of my conquests have come during work-related travel, Richmond has dried up on me a bit, but still working a couple of babies. Truth is, I've got a couple of non-SA UTRs in Richmond that keep me pretty happy at very reasonable prices. If you do travel. Chicago has been an absolute gold mine.

Let me preface this by saying I'm late 30s, great shape, professional single WM. Decent looking guy, which I think matters. And being single is a huge advantage in the bowl, I think.

One of the things that surprises me is the variety one finds with these babies. Some just want quick cash for quick visits (fine by me) , those I can usually talk down into the $ or less range per visit (had one in the RIC who would session for. 4 or. 6, cute young white professional girl, I think she just liked the thrill of it all. But sadly she moved on). I'm also astounded by the "normalness" of many of these women. The internet has clearly opened the world's oldest profession to a wider pool of participants.

I've had two who gave it up for free but wanted me to be there boyfriend (NOT) , one of them I will still see from time to time, the other turned psycho on me. Serious daddy issues. I've got another one that I met on a work trip who simply never brought up money. I think her view is if I take her out to dinner at a nice restaurant I deserve to get laid. Fine by me, though alas she lives far, far away so meetings are few and far between. Best one tho was one I met in VA who, after we did the deed and I asked about what she needed for sugar, replied "a pack of smokes would be great". Loved her. And I threw in a lighter.

FWIW as a warning to those of you who might consider "dating" or getting serious with one of these ladies. I had one smoking hot (seriously, trust me) , Ivy-educated, professional, interesting, seemingly cool normal girl who I hung out with for a good six months. No cash after the first meeting, we just enjoyed each others company and fucked like rabbits. Anyway, she wanted us to be exclusive (she swore she was not seeing anyone else) and serious and she loves me and whatnot, and while instinct told me no I started to waiver. Until she left her cell in my hotel room one night and I could see all the text messages back and forth from her to all you guys. Some SD (superdumbass?) is paying her $3k per night BTW. Likely an I-banker. Naturally I didn't call her on it, why ruin a good (free) thing. But a word to the wise to realize what you are dealing with here.

Freebies and discounts aside, the norm for me has been for girls to ask around $3-400, I counter with $-$$ per visit (depending on hotness) , and move on if they say no. Oddly enough I find no correlation between sugar amount and session quality. I also find that, if they will do $-$$ initially, once they get comfortable with me they will meet for less. A good thing.

I've only done SA, so if any of you VA guys have feedback on SD4ME I'd love to hear it.

So the "short version". And looking forward to a productive fall.

[QUOTE=HighCotton;1858526]Oddly enough I find no correlation between sugar amount and session quality.[/QUOTE]I have to remind myself of this over and over. But higher sugar amounts does make it easier to get better looking girls. I remember my first true SB. She was off the charts in looks and no big deal in bed. After we broke up she was constantly annoyed at the looks quality of some of my babes. She was like "why do you date them?". Take a guess.

Any guy who has been around knows that looks do not equate to skill level. If they did we would only date the hottest looking girls. But hottest looking and sexiest are 2 different things. And yeah when you can roll it all up together, great. I admit I love watching my 19 year old princess when we are doing it. And she is getting better over time. But if I judged her on skills alone she would have been out the door a long time ago.

My roommate is one of the sexiest girls I have ever known. Literally an addiction. But she is no swimsuit model. And my MILF who has porn star skills is 45. And no 45 year old can compete with a 19 year old in my book as far as looks alone. So it's a never ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.

I am thinking of just having all the girls pose on the porch for authenticity purposes. Here is an X from a couple years ago. I still talk to her, but no more sugar for this asian spinner. 7/10/8/10 5"5".105 lbs

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1858712]I am thinking of just having all the girls pose on the porch for authenticity purposes. Here is an X from a couple years ago. I still talk to her, but no more sugar for this asian spinner. 7/10/8/10 5"5".105 lbs[/QUOTE]I never figured this out and a little embarrassed to ask. When ratings are given, what is the order? For example,"7/10/8/10" stands for looks, skills, etc, but each number corresponds to what exactly? Thanks.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1858791]I never figured this out and a little embarrassed to ask. When ratings are given, what is the order? For example,"7/10/8/10" stands for looks, skills, etc, but each number corresponds to what exactly? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Face / body / personality / skills

but I see some guys like the 3 part formula

face/body/skills

having the personality and skills in one number.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1858939]Face / body / personality / skills.

But I see some guys like the 3 part formula.

Face / body / skills.

Having the personality and skills in one number.[/QUOTE]HG, Thank you very much.