Escort Reports

[QUOTE=Tryinagain2; 1192398]I saw her Monday, and she said I was only the second to do so. She hasn't been inundated with requests at this point. I'm not sure why, as when I saw the pics Glue forwarded me, I nearly shat. She's hot. The pics are a bit dated, and she may not be for everyone, but a great time was had and she's very hot in person. Nice girl too.

TA2[/QUOTE]If you saw her Monday you were one of at least 4 to do so, so don't feel too sad for her. Maybe you were the second to see her on Monday that was LOL.

[QUOTE=The Big R 2000;1192374]I'm not 100% certain of this, but I believe MissMonroe1980 is a different girl then the MissMonroe that you are talking about.[/QUOTE]Took a long look this morning and tried to sort out old phone numbers. Close to same age, and using the same name, have to wonder what that is all about. That also makes sense as to what the real MM was saying about people using her name and making her want to work out of Indy. When I was the "new" MissMonroe (1980) pic and profiles, I though maybe the original had just aged very poorly and put on a bunch of wait since she was working at a southside establishment in the not too distant past. I am actually glad they are different, scary otherwise.

I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles.

Had a great, no awesome, dream about this young spinner again this afternoon. She was truly the definition of GFE. I woke drained but refreshed with a smile that is going to be very difficult to remove.

You said you've seen her before. Was BB implied during that session? If she was upset about it a couple days later to respond to your texts in such a manner, I'd say it's safe to say she won't be hanging out with you anymore. It's about trust and you may have crossed the line in regards to that trust. She did make it clear during the session that she was not comfortable going BB. You refer to her or them as "wh*res," but they still should be trusted, in regards to confidentiality among other things, and she should be able to trust you in situations like this. I'm not saying you broke any laws or anything, but this is unfortunate because of the trust factor, and if other providers read this, they may have a problem with seeing you, too. I kind of have a problem with the "wh*res" reference, especially after you call her a sweet young lady. The "wh*res" are people, too. They have lives, regular jobs, children and bills to pay. A lot of times we as hobbyists forget that.

Just my. 02.

Sincerely,

BFDeal.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Big R 2000;1191926]I attempted to see her today. I called and after some small chat, we agreed to meet right then. She gave me the apartment address and as I was on my way over, called and said she need to reschedule. Everytime I talked to her, it was obvious from backround noise that she was not alone. I wouldn't really have though that much of it, but when I went to kind of scope out the apartment, there was leo about 7 apartments down. Granted it could just be a coincidence, but it still spooked me.[/QUOTE]The profile is down.

Very curious.

Good spidey senses

FF.

Well here is my opinion I wouldn't do BB with anyone in biz or whom I just met. Sure I have wanted quite a few lovely women, without a cover, but it's not worth the risk. As for "you could tell she wanted it", it sounds like she is having some unnecessary worries about the event, and I sure it will translate in the next experiences that she has with other hobbyist. How do you know she was clean, by the look in her eye, or the way she parts her hair. I believe when she stated she wanted a cover, then you should have respected that. What if the guy before wasn't clean and did the same thing, would you think it was worth when got sick.

I have been reading this board for a long time, but I must say this was enough to make me say something.

Guess I don't get your sense of humor in your stories, becuase I doubt or hope you would not treat a provider that way especially when she said no twice.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]

I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics.

I agree with Jimbeamcoke. Surely this must be humor. The girl said no at least twice. Secondly, even if "everything else" can be taken care of with antibiotics, that would present a serious situation to many of us who have SO's to deal with, if something were to get spread around. We all know that BB happens, but most of us take precautions. Personally, if this is not humor, I am troubled. If it is humor, I don't get it.

Heritage

Freckle Freak raised the question of doing BBFS when the girl said no but offered no resistance. I'll pass on that for the time being.

The second question / statement:

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak;1192591](edit delete) All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? FF. (edit delete)[/QUOTE]Wrong.

Of course we agree, we just don't get his sense of humor.

The second question / statement:

Wrong. [/QUOTE]

I hope your were joking, or maybe your sly way of speaking of someone else, and that person (usag mbr) needs to be outed. But if not, then I'm trully worried about you my friend. Those actions don't sound like the FF I know.

TN

Catching up reports for the last the last few months.

Andreavirgo around Christmas. Sweet, GFE, real pics, nice young body and willing to try new things. Sadly, I've tried to see a couple of other times and we can't seem to connect.

Blaire at her house one snowy Feb day. (I'm one if the few that isn't enough of a fan to repeat. Pics accurate and she tried hard. Almost too hard. Guess I like a little more gofer than being mauled. .

Deb Libra in ft Wayne. We met for drinks then rolled back to my hotel. Absolutely outstanding! GFE to the Max!

Krissy woman. Service as promised and pic accurate but mechanical, rushing and kinda ghetto.

Nicole in Gwood. Not sure if pics are accurate tho close enough that I can't dispute. Would repeat. Very real girlnegirlnextdoor.

Kayla! Pics are accurate and a GREAT body. Less a GFE than a Fwb. Very fun, cool girl who was very comfortable and delivered a stellar performance. Phenomenal bargain.

Have fun and be careful.

Glad I am not the only one offended by a rape post.

[QUOTE=Two Nutts; 1192772]I hope your were joking, or maybe your sly way of speaking of someone else, and that person (usag mbr) needs to be outed. But if not, then I'm trully worried about you my friend. Those actions don't sound like the FF I know.

TN[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591 She said 'No, I don't do it that way'.

She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? [/QUOTE]

Going back to the idea of "respect" between hobbyist & provider, once "No" is said regarding any activity, it should be honored. Even without respect no means no. She said no, that, to me, means she did not want it that way.

If you take literally the definition of "wh*re" it means BOTH people that sell sex AND those that buy it. It is generally considered a deragaotry term aimed at female providers but in truth applies to hobbyists as well.

[QUOTE=Two Nutts; 1192772]I hope your were joking, or maybe your sly way of speaking of someone else, and that person (usag mbr) needs to be outed. But if not, then I'm trully worried about you my friend. Those actions don't sound like the FF I know.

TN[/QUOTE]My vote is that he spent more time thinking of a creative way to post something he heard that bothered him (FYI, it bothers me too) , than thinking through what he was actually posting. Unfortunately this reeks of an attempt to right wrongs that he only has third hand knowledge of. That can be hit or miss... usually miss.

Interestign perceptive, but wouldn't most if not all guys agree that this is wrong, therefore, why make the post? Is he trying to show that there is bad men in this world, I think we know the answer to that question. Is he making the post to show the what providers risk? Maybe he is. But guys that have visited a provider more than once usually get the scoop on what they have have to deal with, so again why make this post? I think this was a miss post.

[QUOTE=Ipolis;1192793]My vote is that he spent more time thinking of a creative way to post something he heard that bothered him (FYI, it bothers me too) , than thinking through what he was actually posting. Unfortunately this reeks of an attempt to right wrongs that he only has third hand knowledge of. That can be hit or miss... usually miss.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1192814]Interestign perceptive, but wouldn't most if not all guys agree that this is wrong, therefore, why make the post? Is he trying to show that there is bad men in this world, I think we know the answer to that question. Is he making the post to show the what providers risk? Maybe he is. But guys that have visited a provider more than once usually get the scoop on what they have have to deal with, so again why make this post? I think this was a miss post.[/QUOTE]

I don't know FF, so it's only a guess at why. My opinion is that the scenarios you've laid out make a lot of sense, so he is either one of the guys who doesn't agree this is wrong or he's trying to make a point. Either way, we are just debating degrees of wrong. My $.02

I began typing out a catch-up report without reading the thread for the last few days. I'm anxious to read ff's next post. The post doesn't at all sound like him.

FF,

Way to stir the pot! This actually is a great post. I had a date once who did not give me the opportunity to say no. We had already been engaged in the act, using a condom, and she reaches down slips it off, holds the condom up and asks "you don't really need this do you?". I had thought she was just grabbing me, and had already gone back inside if her. Was that rape?

I don't know that I felt that it was rape but I did feel violated. I had made a conscious choice to wear a condom and did not get to decide otherwise. We both had obviously consented, and fortunately for me she was clean. What if she had a serious disease, would that have been attempted murder?

I think we all can agree that your story is wrong on many levels. My question is more along the lines of what you call it, then anything else. Does the unsolicited BBFS void original consent? Is this now rape? Either way, whomever did this makes the hobby unsafe for everyone, especially the provider working so hard to take extra precautions.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1192782]Glad I am not the only one offended by a rape post.[/QUOTE]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.

As I understand it, neither incident was reported to the police. I pass no judgment on that decision, but I will note that 1) the behavior qualifies as rape under Indiana statutes, and most likely as Class A rape; 2) the statute of limitations on Class B rape is one year; there is no statute of limitations on Class A rape; and 3) you won't be sending emails back and forth with the guys you meet in prison, asking why *they* didn't use condoms.

I really hope this was just a joke FF. But yes my friend that is rape. I hope she is still not pursuing this. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Daville; 1192987]FF,

Way to stir the pot! This actually is a great post. I had a date once who did not give me the opportunity to say no. We had already been engaged in the act, using a condom, and she reaches down slips it off, holds the condom up and asks "you don't really need this do you?". I had thought she was just grabbing me, and had already gone back inside if her. Was that rape?

I don't know that I felt that it was rape but I did feel violated. I had made a conscious choice to wear a condom and did not get to decide otherwise. We both had obviously consented, and fortunately for me she was clean. What if she had a serious disease, would that have been attempted murder?

I think we all can agree that your story is wrong on many levels. My question is more along the lines of what you call it, then anything else. Does the unsolicited BBFS void original consent? Is this now rape? Either way, whomever did this makes the hobby unsafe for everyone, especially the provider working so hard to take extra precautions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=B Beall;1192996]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.[/QUOTE]Is this the new way to report a crime, anonomously, by posting the info on a board such as this. Thinking that LE will now check into this? I guess that is as plausible as the other theories. Interesting post, but certainly strange. I'm sure we will learn more.

And you say that two providers reported this in the same week. Actions by the same hobbyist. There is certainly more to this story than what has been posted here thus far, it seems. It doesn't seem logical that the accounting posted here would be posted as his own accounting of what HE DID. This is not the confessional, or is it? Strange.

I have two guesses here. Either FF's account has been hijacked by someone else, or there is a huge metaphor in this story that I'm missing but will be revealed in time.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=B Beall; 1192996]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.

As I understand it, neither incident was reported to the police. I pass no judgment on that decision, but I will note that 1) the behavior qualifies as rape under Indiana statutes, and most likely as Class A rape; 2) the statute of limitations on Class B rape is one year; there is no statute of limitations on Class A rape; and 3) you won't be sending emails back and forth with the guys you meet in prison, asking why *they* didn't use condoms. [/QUOTE]So, the purpose of this board being what it is, shouldn't we know the names of the providers in question? Maybe not posted publicly, but at least via PM? A few things that came to my mind as it relates to the activities of the hobby (nothing having to do with the legal aspects of the situation or morality of what was alleged to have taken place. Wait did I just type the word morality?) :

-The safety of the next hobbyist, in the event this guy wasn't clean. Who knows what avenues the providers will take to get tested, treated, etc. This is how things get spread through a hobby community.

-The quality of the experience may go down as the provider gets a little hesistant about seeing future clients, which would be understandable under the circumstances.

-Potential entanglings moving forward. For example, the prior incident goes unreported, but maybe there are some residual feelings that are building, and she decides to report another hobbyist for something that occurs, or that she perceives to occur, in another session.

-Another take on the above comment, maybe she arms herself with say a knife, gun or some muscle of some kind, and again, if anything happens that she doesn't like, she lashes out against some poor unsuspecting hobbyist.

There are a lot of considerations here, IMO. I would appreciate knowing, via PM, who the providers in question are. I think too, that if FF would weigh in here, he could shed quite a bit of light on this situation (or Jackson is his account has been compromised).

I think it is imperative that the providers are also aware of this so called respected senior member. I do have Japanese Katana Swords in my play area and I'm not afraid if forced to demonstrate my Kung Fu Skill. I read this and it reminds me of a Greenwood man who was knowingly HIV positive and having unprotected sex and infected several women. There are enough risks in this hobby for all of us. I wish these two women and whomever else may have encountered this ahole the best. Don't let one bad seed ruin the bunch. I also see where this will tighten the "senior members" in requesting appts with providers. It has been stated it was a Sr member and, now it may be possible a provider will now think twice about seeing a Sr.

[QUOTE=Bleucheese;1193074]So, the purpose of this board being what it is, shouldn't we know the names of the providers in question? Maybe not posted publicly, but at least via PM? [/QUOTE]I heard the story days ago; I have since had it confirmed by a second provider, and the rough details confirmed, in a way, by another board member. They are all in my confidence, and they are all free to post here themselves.

I repeated the broad outline solely with the intent of asking FF to clarify whether that was what he was talking about. I'm not trying to convince anyone else about what happened. I don't know myself. I know, as I said, the story I was told.

Further, the matter is one which, if true, has seriously injured at least one party, and which could have life-changing effects on others. That's not a matter for hearsay, even by PM.

I thought this was a great post assuming, like others, that this was a hypothetical situation and / or something read about in another state. This is unacceptable to have happened anywhere, let alone on our home turf.

[QUOTE=B Beall; 1192996]Earlier this week was that two established providers report being forcibly barebacked by a hobbyist well-known around town. I know the names of the providers, but was not told who the hobbyist was. Did you hear that story too, FF, and decide to dramatize it? If so you really need to clear that up.

As I understand it, neither incident was reported to the police. I pass no judgment on that decision, but I will note that 1) the behavior qualifies as rape under Indiana statutes, and most likely as Class A rape; 2) the statute of limitations on Class B rape is one year; there is no statute of limitations on Class A rape; and 3) you won't be sending emails back and forth with the guys you meet in prison, asking why *they* didn't use condoms. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1192748]Freckle Freak raised the question of doing BBFS when the girl said no but offered no resistance. I'll pass on that for the time being.

The second question / statement:

Wrong. [/QUOTE]If she say no its no. Also I don't agree with you statement of all girls are, no they are not. You found one that is actually nice and has a job but need the extra cash and you treat her like dirt. If this post is true than I have lost respect for FF. He is wrong in doing that and no I can't stick together with someone like that. You would respect women. There is menu time that the moment you just want BBFS but come on no is always no. No excuse.

I can only express that I am confused. FF has never talked like this before. He is well known and this seems out of character. If it is a true post from him, it is hard to take. We all know the rules of conduct. I want to believe that someone did hijack his profile or that it is a work of fiction.

Why would anyone ever post that story unless it was fiction? If true I can only conclude that I am not jaded enough to be in the hobby. I keep trying to seek some level of chivalry with what I consider to be courtesans, concubines, or geishas. Wh*e is just to ugly a word for me. I look at the ladies as therapists.

If FF's profile was hijacked that could have further repercussions. Hoping this is a joke that came late from April 1st.

The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.

[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]For the record (maybe "record" should be in quotes) , the original story I heard said *two* providers. A later communication from someone else, after this broke here, *suggests, but does not state, that the issue is only about one. But that case is quite serious.

I'm very glad to hear it's not FF, but he should not assume the sins of others. He can look at this board and see that most people did not want to believe it about him, despite the way he wrote it, and he can see that most all of us share a sense of outrage. We don't necessarily agree that we all deserve the details, but he does deserve to have his reputation restored by a basic airing of the facts. Thanks for starting the process.

FF,

You have always offered stimulating thoughts to this public forum. But this time you may have outdone yourself! It appears the board is in agreement the alleged situation should not have happened. Even to a point of disbelief that you personally would have done so. You are usually the first to jump to a provider's defense. So we must then guess at your intent.

Although there is a lot of innuendo, or. Withholding of specific details while making a post, your latest seems to cross a line. I have found the spirit of this board, ie to provide helpful information, albeit entertaining, to persons of like interests, very refreshing. Yet your last post has me and apparently others more than a little concerned. For your sake, if that was a personal account, hopefully, you have already visited a clinic. For the sake of other providers, if it wasn't you, I think you should probably divulge the villain. And lastly, about which I am still undecided, for the sake of all the hobbyists, you should probably divulge the provider. Although, that is more delicate. (She probably confided in you. It sounds like no fault of her own. And it would likely hinder her income.) Regardless, I do strongly believe it is in everyone's best interest that you come forward with more information.

Thank You for your sincerity and chivalry.

Daniel

I think I have previously met FF's provider from his 'report'. If any of this is true, FF, you seriously crossed a line bub, and the rest of us are going to find out. Even if this provider doesn't want take any complaints or legal action against you, you crossed the line, simple as that. I had to read and reread that several times, getting more pissed off each time. Now that I've cooled down some, I had to chime in and say that you shoulda stopped and covered up when that lady asked you to. You've probably seriously blacklisted yourself #$%$.

After consideration and messages sent I agree with Two Balls that this was not FF that was the offender.

[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]If this really happened to 2 providers that is really unfortunate. I have no idea which providers it might have happened to but there is a very well known provider that I have seen a few times that I tried to contact this week to no avail. It's very much unlike her to not respond and let me know that at the least she might not be available. She usually gets back to me within the same day. I tried to schedule with her 4 days in advance and she hasn't gotten back with me. I hope she wasn't one of the providers violated like that because she's a sweetheart.

I'm not sure if I buy that it wasn't FF or that it was bad joke that all of us just didn't get. First thing, I wouldn't think it too easy to hijack someone's account. I don't know of any other instance of it happening here. And if that did happen, why hasn't FF posted some time within the last 24 hours and say someone hacked his account.

Second, it doesn't read like a normal FF post at first because of all the description. That's not what he usually does. But with this post, it was all about damage control. He was trying to justify his behavior and get his side of the story out. (And some of it did sound uniquely FF. The Knights of the round table stuff)

Third, I don't think he was writing a story about some one else or trying to make some kind of point that we all missed. The story was very straight forward. And he made a freckle reference at the end. Something he wouldn't do unless the story was about him.

I could be wrong, but I'll believe the most logical explanation is the simplest one: that FF wrote the post and that there wasn't any subtext that we all missed. He should, at the very least, leave this site. No woman should be treated that way and we certainly shouldn't put up with someone who does that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak; 1192591]I recently saw a provider that I had seen before. She was about 30, shoulder length hair, tall, lean, tight body and petite. She was very hot. When I arrived at her place we talked about what she was doing with her life outside the biz. She was struggling to pay the bills from her fast food regular job and was doing this for the extra money. She also enjoyed men and had a few regulars whose company she enjoyed. She was trying to be careful with who she saw and keep things somewhat low key. This was a sweet young lady; her personality was very much my type. I had seen her once before for a quickie and wanted more on this trip. I was looking forward to it.

We lay down on the bed and talked, kissed, caressed. She is a good kisser. Clothes came off. Foreplay was on the menu. She moved on top of me providing an excellent BBBJ with more kissing and rubbing. As she straddled me, her other lips caressed my member. I thought for a moment it would go in. I commented on how good that felt and would she like to find out what it would feel like inside. She moaned and said 'Why don't we try it with one of these' as she picked up a cover. I could tell she wanted it and I was hot to trot. I grabbed her by the waist and flipped her over on her back. She looked so hot. Playfully I held her arms above her head, the cover still in her hand. Then it just sort of happened, I slid into her, she was so wet. She said 'No, I don't do it that way'. I replied 'doesn't that feel good'. She protested again but only so slightly, about the way we were doing it. I told her I was clean and started pounding away. Her body responded favorably and I said doesn't that feel good. We continued in this position until I was ready. It was very hot. I stood up next to the bed and unloaded all over her. We cleaned up and I tried to cuddle but she asked me to leave saying her ride was waiting. I knew she enjoyed herself and told her I wanted to see her again. I even sent her a text thanking her for her time. Total cost $.5.

Now here is what I don't understand. A couple of days afterwards I text her to see how she is doing. She texted back asking 'why did I do it BB', 'was I clean' and 'I told you I didn't do it that way'. Come on now, I remembered what happened, I was in the room also. I texted her that I thought she wanted it that way. I said you enjoyed it. She never really complained. She didn't scream out NO, stop, or even so much as try and move. Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. Sure, BB isn't the safest way to go, but I seldom do it that way with any other providers. I am clean. I'm not HIV positive and everything else can be taken care of with some antibiotics. Except maybe some of the HPV viruses, but hell everyone has those. That's why our daughters get the new shots that are available now. I think she is being a little rude. I have had providers slide it in without asking me. I may have protested a little but they didn't stop. I just don't understand the difference. But to think I purposefully took advantage of her. No way! She wanted it that way, it was clear to me.

So I kind of look at most of the members of this board as the 'Knights of the round table' We stick together through thick and thin. We are honorable, loyal and of course never do any harm. I am sure Guinevere didn't complain about Lancelot doing her BB. So I think this is an example of what is good and bad in this hobby and possibly some of the ugly. I will leave it up to the members of this board to decide which is which. All these women are just wh*res anyway, right?

FF.

PS. I guess this wouldn't have happened if she had freckles. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ipolis;1192793]My vote is that he spent more time thinking of a creative way to post something he heard that bothered him (FYI, it bothers me too) , than thinking through what he was actually posting. Unfortunately this reeks of an attempt to right wrongs that he only has third hand knowledge of. That can be hit or miss... usually miss.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1192814]Interestign perceptive, but wouldn't most if not all guys agree that this is wrong, therefore, why make the post? Is he trying to show that there is bad men in this world, I think we know the answer to that question. Is he making the post to show the what providers risk? Maybe he is. But guys that have visited a provider more than once usually get the scoop on what they have have to deal with, so again why make this post? I think this was a miss post.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JimBeamCoke;1193322]After consideration and messages sent I agree with Two Balls that this was not FF that was the offender.[/QUOTE]I couldn't tell if you were refering to my post as the miss, or his. Regardless, the points you detailed seem to fall in line with reality. I'm still at "why make this post", are you still at the same place?

[QUOTE=Bleucheese; 1193074]So, the purpose of this board being what it is, shouldn't we know the names of the providers in question? Maybe not posted publicly, but at least via PM? A few things that came to my mind as it relates to the activities of the hobby (nothing having to do with the legal aspects of the situation or morality of what was alleged to have taken place. Wait did I just type the word morality?) :

-The safety of the next hobbyist, in the event this guy wasn't clean. Who knows what avenues the providers will take to get tested, treated, etc. This is how things get spread through a hobby community.

-The quality of the experience may go down as the provider gets a little hesistant about seeing future clients, which would be understandable under the circumstances.

-Potential entanglings moving forward. For example, the prior incident goes unreported, but maybe there are some residual feelings that are building, and she decides to report another hobbyist for something that occurs, or that she perceives to occur, in another session.

-Another take on the above comment, maybe she arms herself with say a knife, gun or some muscle of some kind, and again, if anything happens that she doesn't like, she lashes out against some poor unsuspecting hobbyist.

There are a lot of considerations here, IMO. I would appreciate knowing, via PM, who the providers in question are. I think too, that if FF would weigh in here, he could shed quite a bit of light on this situation (or Jackson is his account has been compromised). [/QUOTE]Really? It's none of yours, or anyone else's business, unless the providers in question want to inform you themselves. It's nice to see that you have so much concern that you feel the providers should now be "blacklisted", because they reported an incident where they were taken advantage of. Because they spoke the ugly truth of what can and does happen in this hobby. You are a hobbyist right? Don't you take a potential risk with every provider you see? How many of these providers go BB with other men that you are unaware of? Maybe they have cheating boyfriends, or husbands. Maybe there has has been a sexual assault in there past, that you have no clue about. Do you perform or receive BB oral services? Because HSV1 and HSV2 can be shared both ways and 90% of people NEVER know they have it. There are a lot of possibilities out there. I can guarantee you that both providers are smart women, and have been tested, and treated for any possibilities. When was the last time you were tested?

A few here refuse to believe their eyes that Freckle Freak confessed to being a bareback sneak. One of Freckle Freak's better justifications,

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak;1192591]Of course I am a big guy and she is petite but she could have moved. [/QUOTE]He ended his post by saying,

[QUOTE=Freckle Freak;1192591]All these women are just wh*res anyway, right? [/QUOTE]The extent to which his friends are making excuses is extraordinary. Two Nutts tried to help Freckle Freak out, but he wasn't thinking first.

[QUOTE=Two Nutts;1193140]I do know The actions did happen to one provider that we all know. BUT IT WAS NOT FF THAT WAS THE OFFENDER. That is for certain, I do know that for sure. Why he chose to express himself that way. Maybe to get the rat to show himself.[/QUOTE]They can't both be telling the truth and be talking about the same escort. Reverse it. If they are talking about the same escort, they can't both be telling the truth. This whole thing is a train wreck. I wouldn't believe any explanation. Not that I would believe any of the women coming forward on his behalf, but none have.

It occurred to me Freckle Freak might have thought he was sending a PM, not that would separate him from his words.

I'm sorry for the woman involved.