The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=GregG73;6762230]Wow, not been my experience at all. I Have someone I met on SA that's been living with me for years. We have a very open relationship where if she wanted to see someone else she could and she knows I see other people occasionally. We've been thinking of adding another woman to our duo and she is all about it. We couldn't be happier.[/QUOTE]Yes, I've had long relationships with SA girls as well. Things are great, until you tell them it's over. Then they act like you've been getting freebies. They tend to not move on gracefully. Transactions = Leverage. That's what these girls learn.

Hey Raleigh guys.

I'll be in Raleigh for most of next week, was hoping someone could point me towards a reliable SB I could see while I'm up this way. I see SBs in Atlanta, and have a decent stable over there, enough of them that I haven't had an active SA sub in over 9 months. I just rotate around the girls in my stable, plus a few referrals from trust worthy guys in the Atlanta forum.

If anyone can provide the contact info for a Raleigh or Durham SB I'll gladly pay you back if / when you're in the Atlanta area. Stay safe.

Anyone spoken or met with with Lillylemon?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e8d322ca-7e9e-4c5b-bbb2-393d6e7b6cbc[/URL]

I'll send you PM.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6763336]Hey Raleigh guys.

I'll be in Raleigh for most of next week, was hoping someone could point me towards a reliable SB I could see while I'm up this way. I see SBs in Atlanta, and have a decent stable over there, enough of them that I haven't had an active SA sub in over 9 months. I just rotate around the girls in my stable, plus a few referrals from trust worthy guys in the Atlanta forum.

If anyone can provide the contact info for a Raleigh or Durham SB I'll gladly pay you back if / when you're in the Atlanta area. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jobobtheclown;6764199]Anyone spoken or met with with Lillylemon?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e8d322ca-7e9e-4c5b-bbb2-393d6e7b6cbc[/URL][/QUOTE]She looks TGTBT.

Asks for a deposit right away.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/32850a0a-fd1a-454e-8e42-12d51aedc20b[/URL]

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6764384]She looks TGTBT.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

Also, HilariousMizz is one of those AI generated patterned usernames in the format, AdjectiveNoun, which I've seen all too often and usually indicates a fake profile. And why would a girl that cute post just one pic. Another sign of a lazy scammer, bot, or inside job sanctioned by seeking.

[QUOTE=FireMan32;6765203]Asks for a deposit right away.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/32850a0a-fd1a-454e-8e42-12d51aedc20b[/URL][/QUOTE]This one looked obvious, I didn't even bother trying.

It's getting pretty sad and annoying, I would say at this stage 99% of new accounts are scam accounts.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6765327]This one looked obvious, I didn't even bother trying.

It's getting pretty sad and annoying, I would say at this stage 99% of new accounts are scam accounts.[/QUOTE]It is sad. Hate all the scams and I guess people keep falling for it.

[QUOTE=AkaToneloc;6755535]Chatted and then texted with her about 5 months ago. She wanted 500 ppm, I offered 400 and she held firm at 450. I then tried to get more details of her bedroom restrictions before agreeing to her ppm. She got frustrated and said I was asking a lot of questions over 50 and said good luck in finding a SB LOL. However, she reached out to me a month or so later asking if I was interested in meeting up. I assumed she had come down to my ppm but she was thinking that I was agreeing to her ppm. And by the time we figured this out we had already agreed to a day / time for a meetup and she said she was done. So I got the same experienced SB vibe about her as you and thought about reaching out to her myself. But I would want to do a coffee meet and greet with her first to see how we vibe as I find the experienced ones are often more business like and less sugary LOL.[/QUOTE]Some minor updates:

1. SweetMariah (Pic 1).

Reconnected with her .Terrible response times, but she said she was willing to meet up. Informed her I'll follow up on X day.

The day I follow up with her on said day, she flips out because I didn't say "how are you". Decided not to respond, and move on.

Taking into account when I first talked to her last year, and this year, it's a pain in the ass. Either she'd keep moving plans, or go silent. Or in this case for recently: Blow stuff out of proportion. I do vaguely recall talking about PPM with her last year, where $400 was agreed upon. And I believe I talked with her on the phone. But ultimately, I doubt I'll be reaching out to her or meeting her ever. Hope someone else has much better luck!

2. MysteriousModel (Pics 2+3).

Decided to reach out again, because why not. She said she has a tendency to let texts pile up (wonderful), so decided to just go straight to business and try to pinpoint a date to meet. Her Last text was her saying what part of NC she was at, but ignoring my question in regards to day / time she's free in the upcoming week. Decided to just give it up. From the pics she sent and from her initial profile on Seeking, she was attractive. But ultimately has a horrible vague bio and that matches her responses.

0/10 in texting skills. I envy the person who has / had better luck than me.

Afternoon Party People.

Went back and forth with this one for a while before moving to text. Wanted to meet for dinner and go no further than that for a few times to build trust. The kicker is she wanted $400 for the privilege of her company at each dinner. She did not have any good stock tips or sophisticated views on the market so I declined LOL. Stay dangerous gentlemen.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/58afa720-6262-4708-91de-c62e5cbdbb9d[/URL]

[QUOTE=LostTribe;6769453]Afternoon Party People.

Went back and forth with this one for a while before moving to text. Wanted to meet for dinner and go no further than that for a few times to build trust. The kicker is she wanted $400 for the privilege of her company at each dinner. She did not have any good stock tips or sophisticated views on the market so I declined LOL. Stay dangerous gentlemen.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/58afa720-6262-4708-91de-c62e5cbdbb9d[/URL][/QUOTE]I find nothing more offensive than a chick that expects money to meet for dinner or coffee. Any one of them suggest this now I just playing along saying yes and then never show up and let them waste a couple hours of their time.

[QUOTE=LostTribe;6769453]Afternoon Party People.

Went back and forth with this one for a while before moving to text. Wanted to meet for dinner and go no further than that for a few times to build trust. The kicker is she wanted $400 for the privilege of her company at each dinner. She did not have any good stock tips or sophisticated views on the market so I declined LOL. Stay dangerous gentlemen.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/58afa720-6262-4708-91de-c62e5cbdbb9d[/URL][/QUOTE]She's been around for some time. I used to chat with her when she was 18/19. We never met tho.

[QUOTE=LostTribe;6769453]Afternoon Party People.

Went back and forth with this one for a while before moving to text. Wanted to meet for dinner and go no further than that for a few times to build trust. The kicker is she wanted $400 for the privilege of her company at each dinner. She did not have any good stock tips or sophisticated views on the market so I declined LOL. Stay dangerous gentlemen.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/58afa720-6262-4708-91de-c62e5cbdbb9d[/URL][/QUOTE]I had the same interaction with her. I laughed at her and said good luck.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6770213]I find nothing more offensive than a chick that expects money to meet for dinner or coffee. Any one of them suggest this now I just playing along saying yes and then never show up and let them waste a couple hours of their time.[/QUOTE]My answer is "Wait, you think I can't get an attractive woman to have dinner with me for free? I could fill up the next 3 months of dinners right now. " IMO, one of the biggest perpetuators of this approach with M&G's is the reddit forum dedicated to sugar lifestyle. You have these 18/19 yo's asking for beginner advice and there are generally two types of SB's responding to them, giving them this advice. The first is the old, bitter 40 yo former SB that has the 'You get all the money, girl' vibe and the other are the ultra high end SB's in NY or LA that have plenty of free time to be on reddit because they're getting $50 k per month to be some high rollers woman on the side. It's really making the market unrealistic, because now there are so many SB's waiting for the $400 dinner simps to show up.

[QUOTE=MmceStep;6771137]My answer is "Wait, you think I can't get an attractive woman to have dinner with me for free? I could fill up the next 3 months of dinners right now. " IMO, one of the biggest perpetuators of this approach with M&G's is the reddit forum dedicated to sugar lifestyle. You have these 18/19 yo's asking for beginner advice and there are generally two types of SB's responding to them, giving them this advice. The first is the old, bitter 40 yo former SB that has the 'You get all the money, girl' vibe and the other are the ultra high end SB's in NY or LA that have plenty of free time to be on reddit because they're getting $50 k per month to be some high rollers woman on the side. It's really making the market unrealistic, because now there are so many SB's waiting for the $400 dinner simps to show up.[/QUOTE]I did the Sugar Daddy thing for a while and I agree too. You have to be pretty professionally successful to keep a girl on retainer to bang, sext, and do whatever you want. Do they think I've done well enough to buy that while also being so devoid of charm that I can't find somebody to eat a meal with me?

Sorry babe, I'm paying for a no strings attached sexy FWB, not a dinner partner. Buying her dinner is not a mutually beneficial relationship.

Everyone be careful of this one on Seeking. Her byline mentions FaceTime as a requirement then she uses your "real" cell number to dig up info on you and then tries to (yes I'll say it) extort money to keep quiet. I know bad move on my part. But we had two really good phone conversations and she seemed "normal" and gave no hints of being a cyber stalker. I can't post a link because I deleted that account. Buyer beware!

Pics depict a cute blonde and the profile didn't raise any red flags. She did follow through on some of the threats so I had a day of uncomfortable cleanup to do. I also reported the extortion attempt to local authorities in case it continues. I was dumb.

[QUOTE=RealOne789;6772396]Everyone be careful of this one on Seeking. Her byline mentions FaceTime as a requirement then she uses your "real" cell number to dig up info on you and then tries to (yes I'll say it) extort money to keep quiet. I know bad move on my part. But we had two really good phone conversations and she seemed "normal" and gave no hints of being a cyber stalker. I can't post a link because I deleted that account. Buyer beware!

Pics depict a cute blonde and the profile didn't raise any red flags. She did follow through on some of the threats so I had a day of uncomfortable cleanup to do. I also reported the extortion attempt to local authorities in case it continues. I was dumb.[/QUOTE]Yikes, well I guess I can see why "I have an android, is zoom ok?" got me blocked, then.

[QUOTE=RealOne789;6772396]Everyone be careful of this one on Seeking. Her byline mentions FaceTime as a requirement then she uses your "real" cell number to dig up info on you and then tries to (yes I'll say it) extort money to keep quiet. I know bad move on my part. But we had two really good phone conversations and she seemed "normal" and gave no hints of being a cyber stalker. I can't post a link because I deleted that account. Buyer beware!

Pics depict a cute blonde and the profile didn't raise any red flags. She did follow through on some of the threats so I had a day of uncomfortable cleanup to do. I also reported the extortion attempt to local authorities in case it continues. I was dumb.[/QUOTE]Do you have a link for her?

[QUOTE=RealOne789;6772396]Everyone be careful of this one on Seeking. Her byline mentions FaceTime as a requirement then she uses your "real" cell number to dig up info on you and then tries to (yes I'll say it) extort money to keep quiet. I know bad move on my part. But we had two really good phone conversations and she seemed "normal" and gave no hints of being a cyber stalker. I can't post a link because I deleted that account. Buyer beware!

Pics depict a cute blonde and the profile didn't raise any red flags. She did follow through on some of the threats so I had a day of uncomfortable cleanup to do. I also reported the extortion attempt to local authorities in case it continues. I was dumb.[/QUOTE]She uses some of her IG pics in SA.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0471f30b-f8b2-4687-914a-28c0860e79ce[/URL]

[QUOTE=NiteLifed69;6772699]She uses some of her IG pics in SA.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0471f30b-f8b2-4687-914a-28c0860e79ce[/URL][/QUOTE]"her" IG pics, yeah right.

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6770213]I find nothing more offensive than a chick that expects money to meet for dinner or coffee. Any one of them suggest this now I just playing along saying yes and then never show up and let them waste a couple hours of their time.[/QUOTE]That's mean, but probably deserved if she's demanding $400 to eat a free nice meal. If these girls had brains they would at least adjust based on who they were talking to.

[QUOTE=RealOne789;6772396]Everyone be careful of this one on Seeking. Her byline mentions FaceTime as a requirement then she uses your "real" cell number to dig up info on you and then tries to (yes I'll say it) extort money to keep quiet. I know bad move on my part. But we had two really good phone conversations and she seemed "normal" and gave no hints of being a cyber stalker. I can't post a link because I deleted that account. Buyer beware!

Pics depict a cute blonde and the profile didn't raise any red flags. She did follow through on some of the threats so I had a day of uncomfortable cleanup to do. I also reported the extortion attempt to local authorities in case it continues. I was dumb.[/QUOTE]Did you ever facetime her to confirm it is the girl in the Pics?

[QUOTE=South215;6772989]Did you ever facetime her to confirm it is the girl in the Pics?[/QUOTE]No. She got my real phone number and got impatient I guess and started texting from another number to my real number, calling my house from that number, texting my profile pics to a relative. It got ugly fast after I blocked her.

[QUOTE=RealOne789;6773022]No. She got my real phone number and got impatient I guess and started texting from another number to my real number, calling my house from that number, texting my profile pics to a relative. It got ugly fast after I blocked her.[/QUOTE]You can see in my past posts I had something similar happen. Gave my real number, she immediately looked me up and started texting family. Thankfully info was out of date and none of the numbers she saw were correct anymore. My folks honestly wouldn't care anyway though. I blocked her. She texted me from other numbers saying she wouldn't stop until I paid. I Kept ignoring and blocking her numbers. Eventually she stopped and probably moved on to lower hanging fruit.

Takeaway: DO NOT GIVE YOUR REAL NUMBER. If they say something like "iPhone numbers only" or "I won't text a texting app", she is 99% a scammer. Most rational girls I've spoken to on there also use texting app. So legit ones shouldn't have a problem with it.

Always use snapchat for face to face conversations. If they say they don't have a snap chat red flag!

[QUOTE=Swimmer123;6773165]You can see in my past posts I had something similar happen. Gave my real number, she immediately looked me up and started texting family. Thankfully info was out of date and none of the numbers she saw were correct anymore. My folks honestly wouldn't care anyway though. I blocked her. She texted me from other numbers saying she wouldn't stop until I paid. I Kept ignoring and blocking her numbers. Eventually she stopped and probably moved on to lower hanging fruit.

Takeaway: DO NOT GIVE YOUR REAL NUMBER. If they say something like "iPhone numbers only" or "I won't text a texting app", she is 99% a scammer. Most rational girls I've spoken to on there also use texting app. So legit ones shouldn't have a problem with it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sobe69;6777690]Always use snapchat for face to face conversations. If they say they don't have a snap chat red flag![/QUOTE]So Snapchat cannot be recorded or screenshot?

[QUOTE=Sobe69;6777690]Always use snapchat for face to face conversations. If they say they don't have a snap chat red flag![/QUOTE]I say the opposite. Anyone I've talked to who wants to use Snapchat is usually a scammer.

[QUOTE=RedBaronDaron;6778323]So Snapchat cannot be recorded or screenshot?[/QUOTE]It's more difficult to do so without the other user knowing, but of course not impossible. But that said, the point isn't that it can't be recorded, but rather that it doesn't give the other end your phone number like Text / Facetime / Whatsapp on your personal number does.

Used for video to video chat. Not necessarily for regular communications. My go to snap since I can get all of the nonsense out of the way if I have not validated that they are real yet. A quick f2 f video chat resolves fake pics and dudes trying to scam. Its just an additional tool that is non traceable. Its also a great way to see there true day to day activity if they post allot.

[QUOTE=FireMan32;6778328]I say the opposite. Anyone I've talked to who wants to use Snapchat is usually a scammer.[/QUOTE]

Just get a google number. You can have many and always change it. Snap is good too but sometimes the fakes think you may put your real name in snap. I've had many girls want my snap and just never respond. The same with Whatsapp. That's my go to. I have a fake number there too and usually everyone I talk to there can be searched.

[QUOTE=jobobtheclown;6764199]Anyone spoken or met with with Lillylemon?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e8d322ca-7e9e-4c5b-bbb2-393d6e7b6cbc[/URL][/QUOTE]An update on this one: she's a lot fatter than her pics indicate (remarkable for someone who's 19; that must have happened fast), and is a full-on rinser. Avoid.

Now, little surprise there, but she's also training other girls at her sorority. AVOID anyone from UNC Alpha Phi, and likely others: there's a new generation of scam artists on the way.

[QUOTE=jobobtheclown;6781172]An update on this one: she's a lot fatter than her pics indicate (remarkable for someone who's 19; that must have happened fast), and is a full-on rinser. Avoid.

Now, little surprise there, but she's also training other girls at her sorority. AVOID anyone from UNC Alpha Phi, and likely others: there's a new generation of scam artists on the way.[/QUOTE]I also spoke with her, she ghosted after I laid out the deal. You can't be scammed if you stick to your guns and your terms. No paid m&g, no paying prior to meeting and completion of the meet. Stick to that 100% and you are scam proof. "If they balk, let them walk". Not on there to be friends and be liked, I'm there to fuck. You'll have a more stoic outlook if you treat it more like a business transaction. Girls don't like it being "transactional" so they can blur the lines and boundaries of BS. Treat it like buying a car, they may "like" you less, but they respect you don't take BS.

Girls on there want you thinking with your dick as soon as possible. Think with your brain until she is naked on the bed. I hear too often "I should have known better, scam was obvious". You were thinking with your dick. Think with you brain.

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[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6781658]If any of you need to renew, the code ABANFAV33 is working as of today for 33% off.[/QUOTE]Thanks Code worked for me today.

Careful with this one, she is fishing for full names, social media. I sense a blackmail scam incoming.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/958848b1-a8da-43b2-8feb-b75293157d85[/URL]

Anyone had any luck here?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/07a5080d-2cbe-4085-b057-44fc73afd362[/URL]

[QUOTE=SeekingRdu;6783169]Anyone had any luck here?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/07a5080d-2cbe-4085-b057-44fc73afd362[/URL][/QUOTE]I've talked to her. GPS and a fence sitter. She hit me up one night ready to meet but made it clear she had been drinking. I passed, not keen on waking up with a legal charge the next day. I moved on.

This is one is 10/10 hot in the pics but I'll save you guys some time. Made her a very generous offer. She said she's a virgin and "has to meet once first before she gives me her virginity". LOL. From her pics and her going to ECU there is a 0% chance she is a virgin. Thanked her and moved on. Stop the M&G bullshit guys. We are making them think this idiot bait strategy is actually feasible.

[QUOTE=Swimmer123;6783605]This is one is 10/10 hot in the pics but I'll save you guys some time. Made her a very generous offer. She said she's a virgin and "has to meet once first before she gives me her virginity". LOL. From her pics and her going to ECU there is a 0% chance she is a virgin. Thanked her and moved on. Stop the M&G bullshit guys. We are making them think this idiot bait strategy is actually feasible.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the heads up, but could you please make sure to link her? They change names constantly - more often than they change profiles - and it makes them searchable using the last section of the URL.