Trying this Sugar Baby thing.

[QUOTE=Mravcapo69;4455260]Honestly, I think that both sites are the same, except SA has more members, and most rookies start there. But as far as scams, GPS's and fake profiles, I think they are all about the same. It's very much hit and miss, and most of these chicks are trying to get something for nothing. Most of them thing that they don't need to give up any, and we should be thankful that they give us a smile and a few pics or few minutes their time for diner. They want ti be wined and dined and all of us desperate losers should be grateful for it. While there are few real ones who deserve help and support, and their profiles appear on more than one of those sites, but for the most part, it's a wast of time and $, and we're feeding these sites million $ on memberships and credits. The whole Sugaring culture has changed with CashApps and such. These chicks are getting Instagram subscribers, a nd sell their vids and pics. Not a lot of cash, but enough for doing nothing but shaking their ass on cam.[/QUOTE]And I don't understand the buying the pics thing, there is so much amateur stuff available on the internet why would anyone pay to get one particular gals pics? I quit talking when they start selling.

I see basically a few types; obviously the fake profile thing, then the scamers who ask for money and / or dates without giving what daddy wants (pic sellers fall in this group), the courious who get a to friend tell them to post, they need cash but chicken out in the end, then the GPS gals (have no negotiating skills at all, just want 5 or 3 and won't respond to anything else), then there are the BP pros. BUT occassionally if you play it right you can get what you're looking for and I have had some luck on SB. A tad on WYP.

I pass on the ads that sounds self centered in their ads like "treat me like the princess I am. " (yeah, the princess of my back seat), "I want it all" "travel. " (the only traveling we're going to do is from your door to your bedroom! . ". Shopping sprees. " (I HATE going to the mall, especially if it means parting with several hundred of my dollars with the HOPE I can get into some sugarwalls!), or "I'm worth it!" (I'll be the judge of that).

At the end of the day you are way better off partnering with another monger or two who you can share your SBs or UTRs with, that way you're expanding your SB fishing exponetially. But for those that aren't my buds this is a two way street, I'm not just sharing mine, so you have to find bids with similar tastes and price ranges. Plus having a bud or two takes some pressure off so when they have a financial need when you can't oblige they can step in and keep them off-the-market so to speak.

Don't waste your time or $'s chasing these 3 :

"Rachel" - [URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/aoBrVLnzE5Zy3aPJKeNjk81P[/URL].

"Ememily" - [URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/EZxOpvmjkAwdWQnJL4ybGMq9[/URL].

Youngandfun" - [URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/OnDEo2v9r57wjaW56jWqempk[/URL].

Digits for anyone that wants to see if their luck is better than mine!

[QUOTE=HoHopper;4455289][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c0a11e04-3a03-4f5a-a6a1-27039d9477ed[/URL] This one is DTF but I am getting a pro feel, still on the fence on this one, willing to share with senior members if they are willing TOFT[/QUOTE]Here's a recent post.

[URL]http://charlotte.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/im-definitely-one-of-a-kind/175509663710[/URL]

[QUOTE=QueenCityGuy;4457262]And I don't understand the buying the pics thing, there is so much amateur stuff available on the internet why would anyone pay to get one particular gals pics? I quit talking when they start selling.

I see basically a few types; obviously the fake profile thing, then the scamers who ask for money and / or dates without giving what daddy wants (pic sellers fall in this group), the courious who get a to friend tell them to post, they need cash but chicken out in the end, then the GPS gals (have no negotiating skills at all, just want 5 or 3 and won't respond to anything else), then there are the BP pros. BUT occassionally if you play it right you can get what you're looking for and I have had some luck on SB. A tad on WYP.

I pass on the ads that sounds self centered in their ads like "treat me like the princess I am. " (yeah, the princess of my back seat), "I want it all" "travel. " (the only traveling we're going to do is from your door to your bedroom! . ". Shopping sprees. " (I HATE going to the mall, especially if it means parting with several hundred of my dollars with the HOPE I can get into some sugarwalls!), or "I'm worth it!" (I'll be the judge of that)..[/QUOTE]You are spot on with all your comments! Though I just use WYP and a bit into Secret Benefits. I've had a bit of luck on WYP. I rarely will bid if they don't show discreet affairs as one of their interests because that becomes a way to start the conversation. 100 credits costs $50 and I normally bid $99 because that takes less credits than $100 and I can connect with 6 girls for the 100 credits. I normally take the conversation to email ASAP because if the girl reports you they read messages and can kick you off if you've been too aggressive on what you're looking for. I got kicked off but with a different email and handle and credit card and use at first a pic that's not obviously one I used on the original profile. So I got banned permanently yet I'm back on the site. A huge bonus to going to email is you have the girls email and many times their real name so you can do google and Facebook searches and find out a lot about them. My next approach is probably a bit different, I carefully and subtly tell the girl I'd like us to both prove we are for real and are seriously by meeting at a bar in Gastonia usually or sometimes Charlotte and offer drinks and appetizers for half the date so that's only $50. I'm sure as hell not going to give them $100 for just drinks. Then in advance I tell them we can adjourn to my car for the other half of the date and do some kissing and letting me do some playing. Then tell them we can then decide after the date if we want to get together for more fun In the future. I tend to concentrate on girls closer to the kings mountain Gastonia and Shelby area because it's easier for me and girls from those areas are more likely to play for pay. For the last year I've probably met girls about every 3 weeks and at the same time of day on the weekends. Now when I come in he says he doesn't know how I do it LOL. I do occasionally go more than 100 but nothing too crazy. I've probably hooked up afterward with the girl about 50 percent of the time and at times the same time with a trip to the hilltop. Just this weekend I found a girl 32 or so in Kings mountain, she told me she wasn't an escort or anything like that and was classy. Well after my bullshit I met her with my normal modus operandi and she ended up with my tongue in her mouth and me finger fucking her. And totally willing to meet to do it all but I'm going to write her off, she wants $2 and I just won't go that high.

And I agree with you 100 percent QCG we all need to find a few buds to confidentially share and to try and keep girls off the board as much as possible and I'm also not going to give my under the radars out to just anyone that doesn't reciprocate. QCG and I definitely fall in that description. So don't give up on WYP altogether you just need to find the right line of bullshit that works for you.

[QUOTE=QueenCityGuy;4457262]And I don't understand the buying the pics thing, there is so much amateur stuff available on the internet why would anyone pay to get one particular gals pics? I quit talking when they start selling. ....
[/QUOTE]Exactly! I hear you man! With all the free pics and vids and even free cam sites, who in the world would even fall for paying for something like that, with all the free stuff. Sometimes these chicks say that they can personalize the pics and videos. Big fricking star, that will send me a lipstick kiss or a signature on her pic. Perhaps her smelly panties or a video with her screaming my name while drilling herself with a dildo. And let's not forget these "blowup dolls and princesses" with just want something platonic, or no intimacy, but they are all passport ready, want to experience luxury life, be taken places, and showered with gifts. Seriously! Are we nothing more to them than bunch of total loosers good for nothing but to be an ATM. I have little more respect for myself than that. I don't treat them as if they are typical street walkers, and I don't appreciate to be treated as a typical John. Anyway, I am not knocking down if that's someone's preference, but as long as these chicks feel they can get what their little princess minds thing they "deserve", they will be infesting these sites. But the less they get away with, perhaps, in time, some of these self centered, selfish little bitches will weed themselves out. And it seems that WYP is the worst one of them. Most of them are out there for no other reason that to collect that date fee, and become professional daters. I stopped using WYP for that reason of chicks expecting something for nothing from the very fist step. I am all for getting together and covering the cost of having a lunch, dinner, coffee, whatever. These are not your typical dating sites, and we both know what are the reasons that brought us together. We are both there on the first date to get the feel of each other and if this will work, but I am not paying for her time and company. Anyway, just my two cents, but what y'all do what you wish. I just thing, more these chicks get away with, the more they will treat us like crap and the worst it's going to get.

Digits for those that want to try their luck.

[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/lmz6PW1dL0kQlBrJqEbwMDy8[/URL]

Not surprised. Most of them on that site are there exactly for thata, along with a free drink and food.

[QUOTE=ClarkW;4462504]Digits for those that want to try their luck.

[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/lmz6PW1dL0kQlBrJqEbwMDy8[/URL][/QUOTE]

OK so a new one popped up "in Concord" on SB yesterday:

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/5e97f98de66a7ce5[/URL]

Messages me, I ask if she's around during the day she says yes but needs half up front. Of course no way I'm doing that because 1) you'll take the money and run 2) I personally want no digital connection between us for my own safety.

But being a player I ask "well how much is that" she says $$ for unlimited time but $ upfront. I say I don't do that, she goes to. 75 then. 40 'but its for her protection'. LOL What about the protection of my wallet?

I was sharing the info with another monger and guess what? Her profile lists Cortez, FL today instead of Concord, NC, tomorrow it will be somewhere else.

Note: I almost never hit someone the same day they hit me, I wait to see if they stay active, but that's me. Have save tons of credits by doing so.

And this one was in Salisbury:

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/0e87ac03c9312eb6[/URL]

She originally posted as TMAD23. IMed her got her 704# exchanged some texts over several days then yesterday I text her, she texted right back. I eventually ask how things are in Salisbury and she says she doen't know she's not there!

Says she's in Misouri! I just say 'well hit me when you get back' she says she will.

BUT she's been active on SB anyway so don't know what's up with that.

This one is real, haven't met her but get the impression she's semi-pro:

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/f13e2f3a2f6d4afc[/URL]

Hey, thanks for heads up. You possibly saved many of us some points. I got contacted by all 3 of them. One with FL location, I ignored right away. What is she good to me in FL. S2nd one, at 5'10", just little too tall for my taste, but still cute to deceive enough that we do reply and wast coins. 3rd one, if I have time to drive to Salisbury I may do it. Will report if that happens, but chances are slim. I try to keep my meetings more local.

[QUOTE=QueenCityGuy;4468344]OK so a new one popped up "in Concord" on SB yesterday:

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/5e97f98de66a7ce5[/URL]

Messages me, I ask if she's around during the day she says yes but needs half up front. Of course no way I'm doing that because 1) you'll take the money and run 2) I personally want no digital connection between us for my own safety.

But being a player I ask "well how much is that" she says $$ for unlimited time but $ upfront. I say I don't do that, she goes to. 75 then. 40 'but its for her protection'. LOL What about the protection of my wallet?

I was sharing the info with another monger and guess what? Her profile lists Cortez, FL today instead of Concord, NC, tomorrow it will be somewhere else.

Note: I almost never hit someone the same day they hit me, I wait to see if they stay active, but that's me. Have save tons of credits by doing so.

And this one was in Salisbury:

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/0e87ac03c9312eb6[/URL]

She originally posted as TMAD23. IMed her got her 704# exchanged some texts over several days then yesterday I text her, she texted right back. I eventually ask how things are in Salisbury and she says she doen't know she's not there!

Says she's in Misouri! I just say 'well hit me when you get back' she says she will.

BUT she's been active on SB anyway so don't know what's up with that.

This one is real, haven't met her but get the impression she's semi-pro:

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/f13e2f3a2f6d4afc[/URL][/QUOTE]

So, I get a message from this lady, on SB, and I decide to reply. One of the few that looked legit, so I didn't feel it would be the waste of coins. Her 2nd message was her digits, and we started texting. Just to shortly learn that she is looking for a serious connection, love, dating and possibly more if we click. I tried to remind her that SB stands for Secret Benefits. Although, I said, it is not impossible to find love on SB, I don't believe that's the main purpose of the site. I explained that I am in an open relationship, and if that's fine with her. She immediately took of the angel costume and turned into a preacher, with Bible quotes, and how I should be ashamed, and blah blah blah. Just to make sure she understood, I repeated that I was in open relationship. Anyway, long story short, if this is what you're looking for, something real serious, than she can be your thing. Otherwise, save yourself some coins.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/7f286e2086788fa2[/URL]

Fellow monger, here are 3 more you don't have to wast your time with.

After exchanging few messages with her, she tried to convince me that she had guys give her money for some pics. Of course, she also said she would meet me if I would buy something from her. We all know how that works LOL. Anyway, below is her link.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f410a4e1-7cfa-4493-9551-a53b3db8975d[/URL]

I didn't even need to talk to this one. Her intentions are in her headline. "CashApp me, if you're really about it". LOL, what can I say.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9447d2e7-296d-45a9-961d-fadcdaf55483[/URL]

This one wants weekly allowance via CashApp, and will meet me once she feels confident I am serious about it. I just wonder how many weeks of CashApp convincing would it pass before she would stop talking to me. She seems to be local and real. Seems to know some places around Charlotte, and asked me to google her to verify she's real. I told her, what good that does me, to verify her online presence but googling her, when I don't know she's real. Anyone can have a fake online profile and appear to be real. In any time, save yourself some time and money, and stay away.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2a18bb5c-dcea-48e6-a8b5-2f5b80a17c40[/URL]

...and one more. This crap doesn't end. I think it's all business to them, give money and you don't need to see me, ever...

https://www.seeking.com/member/76fa725e-373f-4ab7-bb5d-9216625d386e

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/13c29131-0630-4abb-a4f7-493422ef80a0[/URL]

Pics are old, women has lot of marks on the body and is very old as compared to pictures, she has bad rashes too, would not recommend.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9d130d2-0891-4740-b994-90ac10e0d994[/URL] This one looks like Emily / Summer which has been previously reviewed. If its the same girl she is not 39 but more like pushing 50's but the service was worth it.

[QUOTE=DavidMoore72;4332361]Well I finally got to meet up with kbabyyy6135 off of SA. She is a very nice fun young lady. That being said she is hard to get a hold of sometimes as she has a full time job. She can host most days before noon. She has a body to die for!! I have asked and can share here contact information with select senior members. To even have a chance you must be active on the board, seem to be on the cool side and have a SA girl or an UTR girl to share. Also this was not a cheap dream it was $$ but it was for 2. 5 hours! Please let's not waste each others time, if you do not meet the requirements then please do not PM me.[/QUOTE]I booked a room and kbaby, confirmed our meeting but I got the runaround for 6 hours. When She finally got to my room it was late but I decided partake since I heard good reviews. When we started she started telling me that she is not an escort and don't do BBBJ or daty, but I really wanted to eat that pussy and had to tip her but it was one best eating pussy ever, but she was not very into it so I started to bang her standing up from behind on her request maybe I was too ugly for her to face me while fucking, so after about 5 minutes of fucking she kept asking me if I was done like 2 or 3 times then she told me she was done. So my experience was not as memorable as David Moore, YMMV.

[QUOTE=Mravcapo69;4470683]So, I get a message from this lady, on SB, and I decide to reply. One of the few that looked legit, so I didn't feel it would be the waste of coins. Her 2nd message was her digits, and we started texting. Just to shortly learn that she is looking for a serious connection, love, dating and possibly more if we click. I tried to remind her that SB stands for Secret Benefits. Although, I said, it is not impossible to find love on SB, I don't believe that's the main purpose of the site. I explained that I am in an open relationship, and if that's fine with her. She immediately took of the angel costume and turned into a preacher, with Bible quotes, and how I should be ashamed, and blah blah blah. Just to make sure she understood, I repeated that I was in open relationship. Anyway, long story short, if this is what you're looking for, something real serious, than she can be your thing. Otherwise, save yourself some coins.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/app/profile/7f286e2086788fa2[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the head's-up. She sent me a message too which I didn't open. When someone starts talking ". A man who wants love and yet wants to take care of me. " crap I'm not interested. I want a baby that is more interested in taking care of me (or at least pretends like it) rather than me taking care of them.

I clearly state my relationship status on my profile so I'm up-front about it, and I plainly state that I'm not looking to change my or anyone else's status either. Have had plenty of luck with the 'tweeners' those that aren't true pros but are willing to do something to help their cause and mine.

I guess this gal thinks its OK to take another woman's man as long as 'they're in love' but if its just FWB then the preaching starts, or she's just baiting because this is her 'cause', may not even be a woman but man using this as their soap box.