"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=WPGuy;4189765]I appreciate your report. I had a girl attempt to blackmail me 2 weeks ago out here. Claimed she had taken pics and had my plate number. When I asked for proof, nothing, just bitching and more threats. Kinda got me scared a bit, but had great new date with real sb today and already a second round scheduled for next week. We all have to take care; the scammers are out there![/QUOTE]Like so many such threats, it's best to have offense and defense at the ready. Operational security, a fake plate, or no plate, so you know a statement like hers is a bluff. Just like a girl who says you knocked her up. The standard response must be 'couldn't be me, I was snipped years ago' even if that isn't so, *and* you BB'd her. For those who want to extort claiming to 'know your wife' (yes, I have had a dim bulb say that), the standard response must be 'well, honey, cheating isn't the nicest thing I've ever done, but it's not against the law. However, extortion, amply evidenced in the texts you've sent me (screenshot for emphasis) is a felony. ' it should send her away w / her tail between her legs.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4189657]I would never answer the door for a ***** after they have left. No reason for them to be there. Their job is done.

And if an SB pulled that on me without agreeing to a price, I'd be tempted to get my original payment back and send her on her way. These girls don't have pimps waiting around the corner, they can't act like that.[/QUOTE]I did think about not opening the door, but opened it because (I) as you pointed out, I was pretty sure she didn't have a pimp around the corner; and (ii) it had actually been a pretty friendly encounter, didn't really have anything to fear. But you make a good point.

Oh well. I have a date with one of my favorites tomorrow night. Bareback all the way, hot, great service, fun girl, she handles the hotel reservation. And she has never, ever bitched about the donation, never asked for cash, never mentioned it. There's a lot of reasons she's a favorite. Did I mention the great rack?

Hello all,

Trying to dip my toes in SB field, have mostly been on t3 r etc.

One SB cannot host so was wondering if I pay extra for place or is it included in the support I give her?

I'm thinking of letting her get the place on her I'd and CC etc. Any issues with that?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4190029]Hello all,

Trying to dip my toes in SB field, have mostly been on t3 r etc.

One SB cannot host so was wondering if I pay extra for place or is it included in the support I give her?

I'm thinking of letting her get the place on her I'd and CC etc. Any issues with that?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]You get the place on your dime. Unless you stumble on one of the pros that frequent the site. Too many guys competing for the same hot looking coeds to suggest that they get the place. Platonic and GPS are common now. But someone is keeping them busy it seems.

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4189411]Is she the Asian you mentioned a while back?? LOL.[/QUOTE]Yep, she's the one! Secret is out on her I guess!

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4190029]Hello all,

Trying to dip my toes in SB field, have mostly been on t3 r etc.

One SB cannot host so was wondering if I pay extra for place or is it included in the support I give her?

I'm thinking of letting her get the place on her I'd and CC etc. Any issues with that?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]Guessing you haven't been active in the game for a while, as TER is history.

Too bad, it was a great resource.

As to if your SBs have a room in her rate they don't. So add that to her $. It's always safer to have them book & pay for the room then add it to her requested amount. Don't be surprised if she can't. Many of these girls don't have a credit card.

Good hunting!

This one from Fredericksburg is a pic seller. Promises to see you if you buy first.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b696ff54-a789-491d-a917-f3c4f132c304[/URL]

Only had it happen once, and was also after the deed was done and we were still in the room, also hadn't discussed money though she made some vague comment in the M&G about doing this so she could get a new phone, I didn't think she meant in 1 meet. Key difference being I hadn't yet gotten her out the door yet (though I like you probably would've opened the door too wary of her making a scene or trying to wait and photo me leaving or something). So I ended up giving her more than I wanted, though not quite as much as she wanted just to get rid of her. She was super hot but really not that great a lay, at least first time, but would've repeated to see if it improved without the money stunt at the end. I honestly don't know if it was a strategy or inexperience.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4189563]Today I made first trip to FC with new (to me) SB. We had been texting a while and had one M&G for coffee last week. This meet was straight to hotel. She was 114 pounds and 5'6, 22 years old. Very nice looking girl, I would say 9 body and 7 face. As with most of my SB's, no direct discussion of allowance prior to FC, although there was definitely an expectation of sugar. To my mind, if they don't negotiate cash amount before going to FC, they are unlikely to be a true pro and thus more likely to be the kind of SB I like.

Get to FC, very good experience. I would give her a 9 on attitude and maybe a 7. 5 on skills. DFK, DATY, BBJ, covered FS. No rush. I like to raw dog the ones I think are low volume, but wanted to cover up for her because I suspected she might be a bit popular. We talk about meeting up next week but do not set a firm date. I was up for a repeat mostly because I really loved her body, but she gave off sort of a semi-pro vibe so I didn't consider her to have much long term potential. I tuck cash into her purse and off she goes.

She is back at the door about a minute later asking for more cash. (I don't like to talk numbers on here because I don't live in Richmond. I am in a high cost major metropolitan area and everything costs more here. If I include the actual numbers this thread will just devolve into a lot of people telling me I overpaid, how much (little) they pay, etc. That is not where I a want to go with this.) I offer a standard cash donation, which I had given her. I believe it to be on the low end of the local range, but it is at least in the local range, not way below it. She says "we agreed" to 2 x what I gave her. I pointed out, correctly, that we had not had any discussion of amount prior to FC. She says she "never does it" for less than 2 x what I gave her (another sign of someone with more practice at this than I really like). I refused to hand over any more cash and said I guessed we wouldn't be meeting next week, and she took off.

My first thought was she just got me mixed up with some other dude who was offering 2 x. But something very similar happened to me with a different girl a couple of weeks ago. So now I am wondering if this is some sort of an angle that they have cooked to play us with. Maybe they swap tips on their secret SB forum on how to do this. You know, screw first and then try to guilt the guy out of more cash because "we agreed. " If it is a plan like that, it seems pretty stupid to me. I already banged her, and enjoyed her thoroughly. While I would be willing to see her again for my standard donation, I'm not too bothered by it and definitely not willing to pay 2 x. So why would anyone cough up more money after the deed? Curious as to other guys experience with this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4190163]Guessing you haven't been active in the game for a while, as TER is history.

Too bad, it was a great resource.

As to if your SBs have a room in her rate they don't. So add that to her $. It's always safer to have them book & pay for the room then add it to her requested amount. Don't be surprised if she can't. Many of these girls don't have a credit card.

Good hunting![/QUOTE]Guess you missed the etc. after t3r :D

No, I've been busy with pros. Indies and agencies. Just didn't have the time to invest in SBs since it seemed that it does take a lot of initial work. Pros / Agencies. One quick text and I'm on my way to satisfaction.

But back to the issue on hand - yes that is what I thought. Will add to her 'support' and have her book on her CC, well at least that is what I'm going to push for..

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4190263]This one from Fredericksburg is a pic seller. Promises to see you if you buy first.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b696ff54-a789-491d-a917-f3c4f132c304[/URL][/QUOTE]She has several good reviews on the Fredericksburg board under 'General' topics I think.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4190454]Only had it happen once, and was also after the deed was done and we were still in the room, also hadn't discussed money ....[/QUOTE]I have had this three times now. Each time, there was no discussion of the amount before hand, but there was a general expectation of sugar. I gave them all three the same amount. Despite the objections from these three, I have given the same donation many times to other girls who were just as hot and had no problem with the amount. Here are the three:

1. Most recent experience a couple days ago, she left room and came back and knocked on door, wanting 2 x.

2. A couple weeks ago, different SB, another very hot girl, 21 yo. After the deed, slipped an envelope into her purse. She goes into bathroom and looks into it before leaving room. Comes out and tells me "we agreed to 1. 66 x" and she "never does it" for less. Another girl too professional for my taste (although not all that professional since she didn't negotiate in advance). I told her we had not agreed on anything and refused to give her any more. She didn't actually try to negotiate very hard and seemed not that bothered by the amount. I guess she just thought it was worth a try. I would have banged her once or twice more and I think she would have been up for it at the original donation level, but she moved to another city the next week. Not just blowing me off, I saw it on her profile and she mentioned when I met her she was thinking about moving. These young girls have pretty unstable lives.

3. A few months ago, the best of the the three overall, spectacular body with huge tits, tiny waist and nice ass. I think she was 23 or 24, don't really remember. She was living with a boyfriend who didn't know about her activities on the side. Excellent skills and a real desire to please. Face was nice, but not as spectacular. I am often attracted to butterfaces, since I am much more concerned about their bodies than their faces. This one had a nice face, but not in the same league as her super hot body. When we were done, I did my usual thing, slipped an envelope with cash in her purse. She did not look at it before leaving. Got a text from her a couple hours later bitching about the amount. We texted back and forth a few times and she said she would only repeat for 2 x the donation. I let her go. I think this one was just really uncomfortable talking about money and didn't like to admit to herself what she was doing.

I suppose all of these incidents are a result of me usually not talking money before going to FC. I am still amazed that girls will do it on that basis. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy they do. It gives me, the consumer, all the power. It just seems weird that they would try to negotiate after I have fucked them. Surely they are aware that they are plenty of other girls for us to to choose from for the next time.

This seems like an active SD group, so thought I'd ask here.

Are some of the girls unable to read or respond a paid member's messages?

I sometimes see girls who have logged on, but not yet read a message I sent. I figured they just have a lot of messages to wade through already. But then I got a message asking me to favorite them so they can message me, and it made me wonder if the free version of the SB accounts limit their ability to open messages? Unless they pay or verify with picture I'd maybe?

I'd like to know how all this works from the female account standpoint.

I am not surprised if the amount is not set in advance that the girls are disappointed with what they get. I have been doing this for many years, with the pretty normal progression from massage parlors, to escorts, to CL, to SD sites, and have never seen such unreal expectations. There were always a few that priced themselves out of a reasonable market (but I often had 9. 5's that with a little sweet talking went down to a reasonable level "just because I seemed like a nice guy"). But now I am talking to an average looking girl just because she is close, all my normal sb's are busy and I think she will be a relatively inexpensive fill in. After a lot of back and forth it ends up this "7" is expecting more than I would give a "9. 5", and has a bunch of rules. Just crazy. Don't think articles like the one posted below, where SA says that student sb's make 3000 a month help. Am sure they use that in their marketing to these young ladies to sign up. I also have many girls tell me that their gf's make that much, so they are not going to go any lower. I have several thoughts, either their gf's are much hotter, their gf's are alll exaggerating what they are getting to make themselves feel better, or they are lying about a gf making that much. Anyway, I try to set expectations in advance now. Find it works better to mention that I had an awesome sb relationship in the past and I helped her with---. Rather than just throwing a number out there.

On a side note, I typically spend my time on the Baltimore forum, as most of the girls I see are from that area, there seems to be a much more interesting sharing of ideas and opinions on this forum.

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[QUOTE=DogBert77;4192038]I have had this three times now. Each time, there was no discussion of the amount before hand, but there was a general expectation of sugar. I gave them all three the same amount. Despite the objections from these three, I have given the same donation many times to other girls who were just as hot and had no problem with the amount. Here are the three:

1. Most recent experience a couple days ago, she left room and came back and knocked on door, wanting 2 x.

2. A couple weeks ago, different SB, another very hot girl, 21 yo. After the deed, slipped an envelope into her purse. She goes into bathroom and looks into it before leaving room. Comes out and tells me "we agreed to 1. 66 x" and she "never does it" for less. Another girl too professional for my taste (although not all that professional since she didn't negotiate in advance). I told her we had not agreed on anything and refused to give her any more. She didn't actually try to negotiate very hard and seemed not that bothered by the amount. I guess she just thought it was worth a try. I would have banged her once or twice more and I think she would have been up for it at the original donation level, but she moved to another city the next week. Not just blowing me off, I saw it on her profile and she mentioned when I met her she was thinking about moving. These young girls have pretty unstable lives.

3. A few months ago, the best of the the three overall, spectacular body with huge tits, tiny waist and nice ass. I think she was 23 or 24, don't really remember. She was living with a boyfriend who didn't know about her activities on the side. Excellent skills and a real desire to please. Face was nice, but not as spectacular. I am often attracted to butterfaces, since I am much more concerned about their bodies than their faces. This one had a nice face, but not in the same league as her super hot body. When we were done, I did my usual thing, slipped an envelope with cash in her purse. She did not look at it before leaving. Got a text from her a couple hours later bitching about the amount. We texted back and forth a few times and she said she would only repeat for 2 x the donation. I let her go. I think this one was just really uncomfortable talking about money and didn't like to admit to herself what she was doing.

I suppose all of these incidents are a result of me usually not talking money before going to FC. I am still amazed that girls will do it on that basis. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy they do. It gives me, the consumer, all the power. It just seems weird that they would try to negotiate after I have fucked them. Surely they are aware that they are plenty of other girls for us to to choose from for the next time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4189394]Yep, she's good to go! Definitely a keeper.[/QUOTE]PM for you.

The trend for me recently. Just two examples below. Anybody falling for it?? Or having success?? LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8affa2ff-e970-46c1-bebf-7d4a5aceb028[/URL]

" I'm in miami right now for spring break and I ran out of money! ".

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4696c9e0-60c8-4ac6-abd3-79187824a37e[/URL]

"I went to Florida and have missed my flight home. I don't have enough money to pay for another ticket home so I'm stuck here until I can figure something out. ".