"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4186327]My SB in another city in North Carolina has a major problem.

She was thinking about a restraining order but is in a fix because she has a very public job & can't afford to fuck up her rep.

My main worry isn't that he'd out her, which would suck, but that he's infatuated enough to actually hurt her or worse.

I'm sure the police would be interested in a felon carrying a pistol and staulking her, although she would be outed I'm sure.

Anyone have any experience with this happening to their SB, escort or even just someone you know? The fact she has a few regulars as an escort & me as a SD makes it sticky to go to Uncle LEO!

Feel free to PM me. Anything you share will be kept strictly confidential.[/QUOTE]What he's doing to her is more like a sex crime, on the internet, most states (IDK about that jurisdiction) have laws against it, and victims of sex crimes are entitled to anonymity. Of course, if the LE decides to go after him on other charges, that's a separate matter, she wouldn't necessarily have to be involved.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4186327]

To make things even scarier he showed her a gun he carries. He's convicted of at least beating his ex wife several times. He told her he's not supposed to carry which makes me think he's a felon.

She was thinking about a restraining order but is in a fix because she has a very public job & can't afford to fuck up her rep.

My main worry isn't that he'd out her, which would suck, but that he's infatuated enough to actually hurt her or worse.

I'm sure the police would be interested in a felon carrying a pistol and staulking her, although she would be outed I'm sure.

[/QUOTE]DISCLAIMER: THE BELOW IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE, AND I AM NOT A LAWYER.

I think she can go to the police without outing herself very much. She can just report him. In giving the details of how she bumped into him, she doesn't have to give her whole life story. Something like this: "Was hard up financially, went on SA looking for a wealthy boyfriend. Met Mr. Felon from site, realized she knew him, wasn't interested in pursuing a relationship. Now Mr. Felon is stalking her and threatening her and displaying a weapon which he told her he was not allowed to carry. " Period, full stop, end of story. She doesn't have to say she is fucking guys for cash. If they ask questions, she doesn't have to answer them. They aren't going to know what she is doing this unless she tells them. They haul Mr. Felon in, he doesn't KNOW she is fucking guys for money, all he knows is he wanted to fuck her for money and she refused. She just needs to recount the relevant parts of the story, and shut her mouth. SA is officially a "dating site," and if other users use it to arrange meets for prostitution, that's not her fault.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4175732]
You veterans, any suggestions what my next move should be? Am I going too fast or slow?

Stay safe guys, and I will update.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]Pulling for you. Fwiw, I think you're handling it about the right pace. I especially like the way you didn't get her cash for only dinner, it sets the right expectation in her mind. I think whether or not she moves to oral will give you a pretty good indication about the ultimate destination. If she does that, I think you have a good chance, but if she won't go past HJ's in the next date or two, actual FC is never going to happen, barring some change in her situation, I. E. Desperation, etc.

But if you can get her to the BJ, while it's another big step to go all the way I like your chances b / c she's progressing and BJ is a lot closer to a full FC than using a hand. Now, if she does it, I'd definitely give more sugar and set that expectation further in her mind, the more she does and more she makes you happy, the better she does. So she sees the upside in things progressing, beyond just keeping you around. Not sure your normal amount, I'm finding 250 the going rate these days personally so if she does the BJ I'd maybe take her to 150. Do the oral a couple of times then start pushing for more again.

If she balks at the oral, you could try to mention upfront that you "can be a bit more generous" instead of just dropping the bonus on her, and see if that helps get her over the line. I hate talking specific price with these types but that will get the message across. If even that doesn't work to even get to oral, then you're basically stuck with 100 HJ's and have to decide if you want to keep seeing her, which I'm guessing is no. In that case I'd make sure to tell her nicely that it's not worth it to you and as much as you like her you're going to focus your energy on a traditional arrangement, you can still be friends and she should let you know if anything changes. That's your hail mary, perhaps the threat of not seeing a guy she is comfortable and safe with and has been helping out moves her. And also if she ever gets desperate, you want to be the first call.

I've converted 4 platonic only's on there. One after a couple of M&Gs turned out to have no issue going to the FC, just wanted to "weed out the creeps" with the profile. Another thought that platonic only grew on trees but once that notion was disabused by a few she met, had little issue with it. She was more focused on the ends of making money as a sugar baby and so only took the effort of explaining reality to her (reinforced by another couple guys) and we were off to the races.

The other 2 took serious work, probably 5 M&Gs before I even got more than a hug. I even broke one of my cardinal rules with them in that I provided some sugar w / o anything happening, small amounts to one each date, only after our little lunches and coffee dates didn't come with a gift card a couple of times she started talking about moving forward. The other one on like the 4th meet she was good to go and we set a tentative expectation to FC a couple of days later, and I actually gave her the FC amount knowing that she had a big expense due. She cancelled the FC and went quiet for a bit before agreeing to grab drinks one day, at which there was nothing provided by me. Next week I get a text "Want to come over for dinner tomorrow? " And it was on. So in these harder to crack ones, I found the sugar had a lot to do with enticing them.

Now the one commonality in all these girls was that they were either sexually adventurous and / or experienced, their inexperience was just doing it in this way and with an older guy etc. In fact a couple of them were kinky and bi. Could be reading it wrong but your girl sounds a little less adventurous (don't want to get it on my hand). But you got her to do something which is not a minor step, so since you clearly like the chase as I do, keep at it and let us know how it goes.

An earlier poster alerted us all to the way to read some messages in your SA inbox even when you don't have a paid membership. I will relate my experience not on Windows.

I am using a Mac running OSX Sierra 10.12. 6. I am using Epic Version 71.0. 3579.98, the newest. I get into the SA message window which has an "Upgrade to read". I control-clik and get a dialog that has Inspect at the bottom, which I select. The window splits. I click Network at the top. The window clears and there is a message concerning using command are to reload. I do that. There are lots of different file descriptors in the left-most column, and the right-most column has green bars. The first really short green bar on the right usually marks the inbox on the left. Or, you can just scan your eyes down column 1 to find it. Click on Inbox, and I get a string that begins with brackets. On a few occasions lately, I have failed to get anything at this stage. I have found my only recourse is to start the process all over, closing the window that was created when I did the Inspect command.

Now I have that string. Unfortunately, unlike the OP who was on a Windows system, it doesn't break down in an easily readable fashion. I click in the window that the string is in and do a search for 'body'. There are usually quite a few occurrences (including her body type). What you are looking for is one that says 'original body'. The way that search function works, the searched-for term shows up on the right-hand side of that window, and what you want follows the term body. So, you either need to click on body and use your arrow keys to slide to the right, or if you have a touchpad, you can do that easier. That's it. You should see her message, there will be little weird character things in there that are likely emojis and the like, but you can definitely suss out what she's saying.

I am not totally sure about situations where she has put 2 messages in the inbox, it seems like I have only been able to find the latest one. I recall when conversing in the thread with the OP about what I got, he indicated that the string in that window was a particular format, and that I could cut it out and put it into another program made to read that format, and it would be all pretty and readable. I haven't done that.

I definitely appreciate that extensive treatise from bowl buddy Tom. A well-known SD out on the west coast approaches his girls (all young and inexperienced) with an offer for a 'date' at 100, which he promises includes only some kissing and a HJ. He gets them to come to him, no SO to worry about, and his experience is that a significant fraction of girls will go all the way without further $ request. He is almost always one and done w / his girls, so keep that in mind.

Anybody else have experience with Zara? Definitely recommended, right to business, good time with cover but BBBJ.

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[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4189368]Anybody else have experience with Zara? Definitely recommended, right to business, good time with cover but BBBJ.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ea886ec1-417a-4869-820d-46b326cc6db5[/URL][/QUOTE]Yep, she's good to go! Definitely a keeper.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4189394]Yep, she's good to go! Definitely a keeper.[/QUOTE]Is she the Asian you mentioned a while back?? LOL.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4189133]An earlier poster alerted us all to the way to read some messages in your SA inbox even when you don't have a paid membership. I will relate my experience not on Windows.

I am using a Mac running OSX Sierra 10.12. 6. I am using Epic Version 71.0. 3579.98, the newest. I get into the SA message window which has an "Upgrade to read". I control-clik and get a dialog that has Inspect at the bottom, which I select. The window splits. I click Network at the top. The window clears and there is a message concerning using command are to reload. I do that. There are lots of different file descriptors in the left-most column, and the right-most column has green bars. The first really short green bar on the right usually marks the inbox on the left. Or, you can just scan your eyes down column 1 to find it. Click on Inbox, and I get a string that begins with brackets. On a few occasions lately, I have failed to get anything at this stage. I have found my only recourse is to start the process all over, closing the window that was created when I did the Inspect command.

Now I have that string. Unfortunately, unlike the OP who was on a Windows system, it doesn't break down in an easily readable fashion. I click in the window that the string is in and do a search for 'body'. There are usually quite a few occurrences (including her body type). What you are looking for is one that says 'original body'. The way that search function works, the searched-for term shows up on the right-hand side of that window, and what you want follows the term body. So, you either need to click on body and use your arrow keys to slide to the right, or if you have a touchpad, you can do that easier. That's it. You should see her message, there will be little weird character things in there that are likely emojis and the like, but you can definitely suss out what she's saying.

I am not totally sure about situations where she has put 2 messages in the inbox, it seems like I have only been able to find the latest one. I recall when conversing in the thread with the OP about what I got, he indicated that the string in that window was a particular format, and that I could cut it out and put it into another program made to read that format, and it would be all pretty and readable. I haven't done that.[/QUOTE]As the person who wrote the original tip:

The difference probably isn't the OS, it's what browser you're using. It looks like "Epic Browser" is a fork of Chrome / Chromium, so the DevTools should exist and I'd expect them to be similar to what I described. But, yeah, it may be possible it doesn't have an "object tree" view of the retrieved response, just the "raw JSON string" view.

Also, depending on timing, you may have opened up the DevTools _after_ the "Inbox" network request finished, in which case it might not show up in the list. Don't close the DevTools window here. Just hitting F5 to refresh that conversation page should re-request all the data, and the "Inbox" request item should appear in that DevTools list.

All the messages _should_ be in that response. There's a copy of the latest one by itself, and then _all_ of the messages later on.

Today I made first trip to FC with new (to me) SB. We had been texting a while and had one M&G for coffee last week. This meet was straight to hotel. She was 114 pounds and 5'6, 22 years old. Very nice looking girl, I would say 9 body and 7 face. As with most of my SB's, no direct discussion of allowance prior to FC, although there was definitely an expectation of sugar. To my mind, if they don't negotiate cash amount before going to FC, they are unlikely to be a true pro and thus more likely to be the kind of SB I like.

Get to FC, very good experience. I would give her a 9 on attitude and maybe a 7. 5 on skills. DFK, DATY, BBJ, covered FS. No rush. I like to raw dog the ones I think are low volume, but wanted to cover up for her because I suspected she might be a bit popular. We talk about meeting up next week but do not set a firm date. I was up for a repeat mostly because I really loved her body, but she gave off sort of a semi-pro vibe so I didn't consider her to have much long term potential. I tuck cash into her purse and off she goes.

She is back at the door about a minute later asking for more cash. (I don't like to talk numbers on here because I don't live in Richmond. I am in a high cost major metropolitan area and everything costs more here. If I include the actual numbers this thread will just devolve into a lot of people telling me I overpaid, how much (little) they pay, etc. That is not where I a want to go with this.) I offer a standard cash donation, which I had given her. I believe it to be on the low end of the local range, but it is at least in the local range, not way below it. She says "we agreed" to 2 x what I gave her. I pointed out, correctly, that we had not had any discussion of amount prior to FC. She says she "never does it" for less than 2 x what I gave her (another sign of someone with more practice at this than I really like). I refused to hand over any more cash and said I guessed we wouldn't be meeting next week, and she took off.

My first thought was she just got me mixed up with some other dude who was offering 2 x. But something very similar happened to me with a different girl a couple of weeks ago. So now I am wondering if this is some sort of an angle that they have cooked to play us with. Maybe they swap tips on their secret SB forum on how to do this. You know, screw first and then try to guilt the guy out of more cash because "we agreed. " If it is a plan like that, it seems pretty stupid to me. I already banged her, and enjoyed her thoroughly. While I would be willing to see her again for my standard donation, I'm not too bothered by it and definitely not willing to pay 2 x. So why would anyone cough up more money after the deed? Curious as to other guys experience with this sort of thing.

I would never answer the door for a ***** after they have left. No reason for them to be there. Their job is done.

And if an SB pulled that on me without agreeing to a price, I'd be tempted to get my original payment back and send her on her way. These girls don't have pimps waiting around the corner, they can't act like that.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4189563]Today I made first trip to FC with new (to me) SB. We had been texting a while and had one M&G for coffee last week. This meet was straight to hotel. She was 114 pounds and 5'6, 22 years old. Very nice looking girl, I would say 9 body and 7 face. As with most of my SB's, no direct discussion of allowance prior to FC, although there was definitely an expectation of sugar. To my mind, if they don't negotiate cash amount before going to FC, they are unlikely to be a true pro and thus more likely to be the kind of SB I like.

Get to FC, very good experience. I would give her a 9 on attitude and maybe a 7. 5 on skills. DFK, DATY, BBJ, covered FS. No rush. I like to raw dog the ones I think are low volume, but wanted to cover up for her because I suspected she might be a bit popular. We talk about meeting up next week but do not set a firm date. I was up for a repeat mostly because I really loved her body, but she gave off sort of a semi-pro vibe so I didn't consider her to have much long term potential. I tuck cash into her purse and off she goes.

She is back at the door about a minute later asking for more cash. (I don't like to talk numbers on here because I don't live in Richmond. I am in a high cost major metropolitan area and everything costs more here. If I include the actual numbers this thread will just devolve into a lot of people telling me I overpaid, how much (little) they pay, etc. That is not where I a want to go with this.) I offer a standard cash donation, which I had given her. I believe it to be on the low end of the local range, but it is at least in the local range, not way below it. She says "we agreed" to 2 x what I gave her. I pointed out, correctly, that we had not had any discussion of amount prior to FC. She says she "never does it" for less than 2 x what I gave her (another sign of someone with more practice at this than I really like). I refused to hand over any more cash and said I guessed we wouldn't be meeting next week, and she took off.

My first thought was she just got me mixed up with some other dude who was offering 2 x. But something very similar happened to me with a different girl a couple of weeks ago. So now I am wondering if this is some sort of an angle that they have cooked to play us with. Maybe they swap tips on their secret SB forum on how to do this. You know, screw first and then try to guilt the guy out of more cash because "we agreed. " If it is a plan like that, it seems pretty stupid to me. I already banged her, and enjoyed her thoroughly. While I would be willing to see her again for my standard donation, I'm not too bothered by it and definitely not willing to pay 2 x. So why would anyone cough up more money after the deed? Curious as to other guys experience with this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your report. I had a girl attempt to blackmail me 2 weeks ago out here. Claimed she had taken pics and had my plate number. When I asked for proof, nothing, just bitching and more threats. Kinda got me scared a bit, but had great new date with real sb today and already a second round scheduled for next week. We all have to take care; the scammers are out there!

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4189368]Anybody else have experience with Zara? Definitely recommended, right to business, good time with cover but BBBJ.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ea886ec1-417a-4869-820d-46b326cc6db5[/URL].[/QUOTE]Agree completely, she is good to go and a lot fun. Very sexy. Treat her well.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4189394]Yep, she's good to go! Definitely a keeper.[/QUOTE]If she likes you, BB is fine, just no CIP. Have fun! I know I did.

[QUOTE=CoolPix;4178851]I can't wait for your report GD, please, TOFTT! I'd like to see the rest of her body. Looks like she's got a nice rack. I'm generally not into short hair but I would be intrigued by her reaction to a real dick in her kitty.[/QUOTE]Her ad on massage republic:

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Body is nice. Not spinner, but not bbw. $ for hh. I can say, I throughly enjoyed her mic skills. Gives you access to whole body. I would repeat just for the BBBJ. CoF and Cim is fine with her. She is loving dick. Said she is craving it more and more now. Does doubles with Pixie. She's on the same site.