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[QUOTE=LoveDemAzn;6670422]They even pull out of Boston too. They probably going to wait to everything cool down.[/QUOTE]Those BIG fishes w / multiple locations, across states are going to lay low for now. So if you are really itching, go to local stand alone shops / small fish.
[QUOTE=FourNick8;6670419]The charging document;.
[URL]https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24136515-affidavit-in-brothel-ring-case[/URL]
Is an interesting read. I identifies specific escort addresses in Tysons and Fairfax under surveillance, lists the girls on the current BEG webpage, and has text screenshots from handlers to mongers. They have 20 monger insiders helping out with the investigation and they claim to have identified Politicians, Military Officers, and Security Clearance holders.
I know first hand the little dick Federal LE loves to bust other Feds that have dirty hobbies. If I were still a Fed or a Contractor, or Military, would suggest you brush up your resume. Glad now I didn't join BEG.[/QUOTE]Looks like they setup surveillance at the locations and ambushed John's coming out to flip them. Landlord probably got fed up with the foot traffic.
[QUOTE=Derilious89;6670235]They can't arrest you for your information being in the "black book"[/QUOTE]They can charge you, publish your name, and waste lots of money in lawyer fees. Possibly lose your job and cause relationship issues. The process is the punishment.
[QUOTE=Alien988;6670544]Looks like they setup surveillance at the locations and ambushed John's coming out to flip them. Landlord probably got fed up with the foot traffic.[/QUOTE]Everyone needs to watch this.
[URL]https://youtu.be/RkN4duV4ia0?si=M9XATaWOsdGPh8Qd[/URL]
Remember if they talk to you, shut the fuck up.
So it seems SA and LLVA's site is down.
Looks like that's it for Korean BBQ in NOVA.
Is this all a repeat of lotus flowerz?
Is it only beg?
They must be watching all the multi location places, right?
[QUOTE=JackRyan1;6670691]Is this all a repeat of lotus flowerz?
Is it only beg?
They must be watching all the multi location places, right?[/QUOTE]It's only BEG and this was out of Boston. Other agencies are NY operations. Hopefully LLVA / SA knows how to go low and it looks like they have an idea.
I noticed that they never mentioned PII stored on the "brothel phones". Wonder if they really did properly dispose of that information like they say they do.
Time for some of you to burn your burners. I never used BEG, but I'm not touching these agencies for a long time.
Quick observation:
I swiftly scanned through the document and all the dates reported in it fell on Weekdays. None on Weekends.
Is it because Uncle Sam deep down knows this is a VICTIMLESS crime and there is no need to pay OT for their pigs to work on weekends. ?
Maybe the libs were right after all in asking to Defunding the popo.
Observant you are. I went back thru and looked with a bit more scrutiny. It seems they stung almost all these hobbyists on Friday afternoons (I do see a Monday... Oct 23rd). Interesting.
[QUOTE=Tadalagash;6670717]Quick observation:
I swiftly scanned through the document and all the dates reported in it fell on Weekdays. None on Weekends.
Is it because Uncle Sam deep down knows this is a VICTIMLESS crime and there is no need to pay OT for their pigs to work on weekends. ?
Maybe the libs were right after all in asking to Defunding the popo.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=KylerMurray;6670735]Observant you are. I went back thru and looked with a bit more scrutiny. It seems they stung almost all these hobbyists on Friday afternoons (I do see a Monday... Oct 23rd). Interesting.[/QUOTE]I guess playing on weekends really saved my ass then. I guess it's time to move on to Indy providers. What a fucking waste too, I had finally settled on a favorite with Rainbow over at BEG. I'll miss her RJ game.
Reading over the charging document. What stood out is how much information was put in this document. DOJ is / was under no obligation to do that in the charging document. This was done to send a message to all involved. Put it another way the information within that document is likely just the tip of the iceberg and what they were willing to publicly reveal at this time. Scary times indeed.
Stay safe.
[QUOTE=WillGuyMar;6670714]It's only BEG and this was out of Boston. Other agencies are NY operations. Hopefully LLVA / SA knows how to go low and it looks like they have an idea.
I noticed that they never mentioned PII stored on the "brothel phones". Wonder if they really did properly dispose of that information like they say they do.
Time for some of you to burn your burners. I never used BEG, but I'm not touching these agencies for a long time.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming the multi location, multi state organizations are in the radar, all are being watched.
There was big $s involved, that was the draw here I are S will want its poind of flesh.
I was thinking about booking something to this week. Shit. Virginia agencies are officially on ice. Wouldn't be shocked if they never come back either specially certain ones.
[QUOTE=Almel89;6670641]Everyone needs to watch this.
[URL]https://youtu.be/RkN4duV4ia0?si=M9XATaWOsdGPh8Qd[/URL]
Remember if they talk to you, shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE][URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHuv3sZ79s[/URL]
[QUOTE=JackRyan1;6670876][URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6JHuv3sZ79s[/URL][/QUOTE]For real. Read (or browse) the charging document. Imagine how this would have gone if those Johns had just STFU. Nowhere, that's where.
[QUOTE=KylerMurray;6670735]Observant you are. I went back thru and looked with a bit more scrutiny. It seems they stung almost all these hobbyists on Friday afternoons (I do see a Monday... Oct 23rd). Interesting.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I do my hobbying on the Weekends cause I live out of state. That date of Monday October 23,2023 related to BEG surveillance hit a nerve!
There were other surveillance dates in CA, MA that all fell on Weekdays.
So with the BEG operation completed I know everyone is freaking out. Retired lawyer here to give you some tips. Do not take this as official legal advice if you are really worried you should talk to your own lawyer.
1. In order to effectively prosecute you they need to prove you paid for a sex act. This cannot be "implied" by the fact you visited an attractive young lady for one hour. It cannot be "assumed" from the fact that you wanted to see someone pretty. They need a video recording or text message or email or something tying your payment to an overt sex act. Otherwise you were just paying for time and there is nothing wrong with that. Anything that may have happened during that time was between two consenting adults and in no way connected to any payment. Where BEG fucked up (among other things) was sending out a text with a menu related to payment. Where the clients fucked up is admitting to LE that any monies they gave were connected to a sex act. You should never send a text message which refers to any sex act in any form and neither should they.
2. If by some chance LE comes to talk to you the only thing you should say is "lawyer. " If they tell you that you don't need a lawyer yet because you aren't detained then say thank you very much I don't feel like talking to you. If you try to leave and they don't detain you that means they don't have enough info to detain you. If they don't have enough info to detain Why in the hell would you give them that information by talking to them. If they try to interview you they only words out of your mouth should be "am I being detained. " If the answer is no say you have nothing to say. If they say it would be better for you if you talked to them you are an idiot if you believe that to be true. You have virtually nothing to gain and everything to lose by talking to them voluntarily.
3. If you are detained the only word out of your mouth should be "lawyer." If they say they have witnesses implicating you then your response should be "lawyer." They are allowed to lie about incriminating evidence in order to get you to confess. So for instance they could say they have a girl who told them you paid her for sex. And they could be lying, there is no law prohibiting them from lying as part of the interrogation. Do not believe them if they tell you they have the goods on you. Say you want a lawyer. Your lawyer will advise you properly from that point forward.
[QUOTE=WillGuyMar;6670885]For real. Read (or browse) the charging document. Imagine how this would have gone if those Johns had just STFU. Nowhere, that's where.[/QUOTE]The pot brothers video should be pinned to the top of this thread if possible as a reminder. I always watched it before every appointment I had with the ladies just as I was texted to go up to the building as a refresher.
[QUOTE=Derilious89;6670235]They can't arrest you for your information being in the "black book"; they can only arrest you for being caught directly in the act or explicitly saying it in communication (even this is suspect sometimes). The worry is that your private information being known to law enforcement can allow them to investigate you or potentially even blackmail you. It's unlikely they arrest you because you can't give them anything more than the operation itself in which you have probably only interacted with the girls and a handler. Being a nameless john is a good thing in this situation since you really don't have any pull to be flipped into anything else.
Very rarely do you see customer arrests because LEO isn't super interested in arresting johns, unless there is strong evidence of coerced trafficking, underage girls, or violence on the part of the johns. Again, it's hard to prove, bad for optics, and bad politically so they will usually just shut down the places, pass around some fines (and maybe some jail time) to operators, and sweep it away.[/QUOTE]You might check the recent busts in other cities. Cleveland maybe. Whud-ya-gunna-do if they stop by your house to ask questions of you? Tell your wife they have the wrong address!
[QUOTE=ThrobbinWood;6670990]You might check the recent busts in other cities. Cleveland maybe. Whud-ya-gunna-do if they stop by your house to ask questions of you? Tell your wife they have the wrong address![/QUOTE]Everything I said was true. You probably aren't going to get arrested, but you may get extorted, blackmailed, and / or potentially exposed so you can flip on the agency (like the literal affidavit says). I'm not trying to underplay the risk, rather get people to understand what the actual risk is so we can stop misinformation and fear mongering. If you'll notice, the document says that the people were simply observed going in and out of the apartments and that upon interviewing them, they spilled the beans that they purchased sex. Arguably, the whole case is really built around the evidence that the mongers provided; the rest is circumstantially corroborated by the monger testimony or money laundering charges on the owners which can't be directly tied to the prostitution itself.
There is always risk and we should never downplay it. Be smart, be safe, and don't talk to the cops.
[QUOTE=FourNick8;6670435]I have to contradict you here. If you are a Fed, Military, or politician this can end you career without a conviction. If they have your PII associated with requesting and acceptation paid sex along with violating human trafficking statutes then your security clearance is gone as well as your career.[/QUOTE]They don't even have to talk to you directly. They can and probably will report information to your following agency, branch, whatever once they have it.
It says in the document too that customers were not named because they wanted to maintain anonymity but because their investigation was still ongoing. It could be a while until we really see the impact of this. Especially when they have hundreds of potential records to scrub through. I'd imagine they would want to get all their ducks in a row first and then carry out the punishment in mass.
[QUOTE=ThrobbinWood;6670990]You might check the recent busts in other cities. Cleveland maybe. Whud-ya-gunna-do if they stop by your house to ask questions of you? Tell your wife they have the wrong address![/QUOTE]The article claims they have a client list in the hundreds, I really don't think they are going to be spending the resources tracking down everyone to be questioned. Assuming everyone gets their own jury, lawyers, and judge you will see it will take years to prosecute everyone.
I like some of you know the STFU routine—simple. But I ask question to the legal eagles—.
If some bunch of dumbass mongers fucks one of the working gals and gets interviewed by LE walking out of apartment and they spill the beans like these Boston idiots.
Then, LE be watching real close while I walk in ands take my pictures and car plates like a real sting op.
Then, I walks out of the apartment exact 1 hour later with my fly down smell like pussy and they try to interview me. I shuts the fuck up of course.
Can LE nab me anyway cause I be visiting a suspected brothel?
This is also an example that while the apartment style locations are generally set up nicer, the hotel meets are far less risky. With a fixed location set-up it is just a matter of time before it is noticed and then very easy to surveille; whereas with the hotel meets despite to rooms not being the best, it's hard for LE to monitor as the girls are constantly moving.
[QUOTE=Alien988;6671132]The article claims they have a client list in the hundreds, I really don't think they are going to be spending the resources tracking down everyone to be questioned. Assuming everyone gets their own jury, lawyers, and judge you will see it will take years to prosecute everyone.[/QUOTE]They have names, addresses, telephone numbers, work information and driver's licences. Even if you never made an appointment, it's loss to be outed for most.
Looks like it's back to AMPs for a while. SA, LLVA, and AG have all said they don't save customer information for everyone's safety so, hopefully that's true.
[QUOTE=BushBaby;6670203]And this is why giving up PII in the verification process is a no-no boys![/QUOTE]Can't agree more. Never ever share those with any providers. There is no way they will be deleting PII after verification. Tbh I don't know how knowing your identity can possibly help them except for gaining a leverage, which could be used against you when shit hits the fan. And the agencies asking for LinkedIn / paystub info is plainly laughable. Feds can creat fake profiles and docs easily, they will get got if they feds want to target them.
[QUOTE=Alien988;6671132]The article claims they have a client list in the hundreds, I really don't think they are going to be spending the resources tracking down everyone to be questioned. Assuming everyone gets their own jury, lawyers, and judge you will see it will take years to prosecute everyone.[/QUOTE]The client list will be revealed if someone leaks it. It would have to be politically expedient to do so. If there are conservative Christian politicians or a presidential candidate on the list, you can bet that would be reason alone to leak the list. I'd be willing to bet that dozens of "news" agencies have already submitted FOIA requests. The FOIA requests will be denied because it's an ongoing investigation. But, insider zealots don't have any constraints. Anybody remember the "Little Black Book" in Frederick 20 years ago?
[URL]https://www.fredericknewspost.com/a-look-back-at-fredericks-black-book-scandal/collection_a2f0dbfe-f118-11e5-8404-3b398e2fe206.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=JsppsgFun4;6670789]Reading over the charging document. What stood out is how much information was put in this document. DOJ is / was under no obligation to do that in the charging document. This was done to send a message to all involved. Put it another way the information within that document is likely just the tip of the iceberg and what they were willing to publicly reveal at this time. Scary times indeed.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]A message to not only to customers of this agency, but to others here and elsewhere. The DC area connection ensured the media would cover this. Very little detail on actual trafficking details but plenty of detail regarding how thorough the investigation was.
[QUOTE=Max#01;6671470]The client list will be revealed if someone leaks it. It would have to be politically expedient to do so. If there are conservative Christian politicians or a presidential candidate on the list, you can bet that would be reason alone to leak the list. I'd be willing to bet that dozens of "news" agencies have already submitted FOIA requests. The FOIA requests will be denied because it's an ongoing investigation. But, insider zealots don't have any constraints. Anybody remember the "Little Black Book" in Frederick 20 years ago?
[URL]https://www.fredericknewspost.com/a-look-back-at-fredericks-black-book-scandal/collection_a2f0dbfe-f118-11e5-8404-3b398e2fe206.html[/URL][/QUOTE]How fucked are any of us if the client list is revealed, say you're one of those clients who was never "interviewed" by the agents but still on the list. Would we be getting an agent coming to visit, a call, anything? Would it end up on our records as a charge?
I'm pretty sure as long as you don't say anything or get busted in the act you're fine, but I'm not too sure about the rest.
[QUOTE=Almel89;6671583]How fucked are any of us if the client list is revealed, say you're one of those clients who was never "interviewed" by the agents but still on the list. Would we be getting an agent coming to visit, a call, anything? Would it end up on our records as a charge?
I'm pretty sure as long as you don't say anything or get busted in the act you're fine, but I'm not too sure about the rest.[/QUOTE]The Little Black Book was released for political purposes. My memory is fuzzy, but I'm not aware that anyone in the Black Book was ever prosecuted. As a mater of fact, they thinking about prosecuting the agency owner and her lawyers of destroying evidence because they shredded a good portion of the book's contents.
Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.
[QUOTE=JsppsgFun4;6670789]Reading over the charging document. What stood out is how much information was put in this document. DOJ is / was under no obligation to do that in the charging document. This was done to send a message to all involved. Put it another way the information within that document is likely just the tip of the iceberg and what they were willing to publicly reveal at this time. Scary times indeed.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE][URL]www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/amp/[/URL]
Interesting take from a former federal prosecutor. Hinting at what he believes is the underlying reasons behind what happened yesterday.
[QUOTE=IceCityX1221;6671668]Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.[/QUOTE]Site seems still up at this point and one of the wagyus from NYC is making her tour at beg now so we can visualize the power effects soon.
[QUOTE=GolfGod69;6671425]Looks like it's back to AMPs for a while. SA, LLVA, and AG have all said they don't save customer information for everyone's safety so, hopefully that's true.[/QUOTE]Most of them don't save, but hard to tell for discreetstory cas their site is still up and they have the hardest / strictest screening protocols and can be used to BL / hold against clients that are bad if not properly handled by management.
[QUOTE=IceCityX1221;6671668]Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.[/QUOTE]It was BEG and BTT because they were run by the same people in Boston. Not saying your source is wrong, but the charging document provides clarification. Fwiw, it doesn't mention SAG / LLVA and their affiliate in NY's site is still up. Even tweeted recently. They didn't require near the info BEG asked.
[QUOTE=WillGuyMar;6671742]It was BEG and BTT because they were run by the same people in Boston. Not saying your source is wrong, but the charging document provides clarification. Fwiw, it doesn't mention SAG / LLVA and their affiliate in NY's site is still up. Even tweeted recently. They didn't require near the info BEG asked.[/QUOTE]Forgive my naivety and simpleton mind. .
But what is the difference between Drug Dealers / drug users and Agency Owners / Johns?
Since when did the Feds or LEO's go after drug users?? Johns don't make money from these ' shady' activities just like the poor drug users. Unless their is an ulterior motive to go after the Johns since they are affluent people (given the expense) and being WHITES from upper middle class.
[QUOTE=Tadalagash;6671865]Forgive my naivety and simpleton mind. .
But what is the difference between Drug Dealers / drug users and Agency Owners / Johns?
Since when did the Feds or LEO's go after drug users?? Johns don't make money from these ' shady' activities just like the poor drug users. Unless their is an ulterior motive to go after the Johns since they are affluent people (given the expense) and being WHITES from upper middle class.[/QUOTE]They go after drug users to identify the drug pushers. Hold a charge over your head and you will tell all you know about who you know. You can likely substitute drug user with any other criminal action. Like maybe John's?
[QUOTE=IceCityX1221;6671668]Messaged a girl I know who used to work for some of these agencies. Confirmed that BostonTopTen, SAG / LLVA, and maybe BEG were the ones targeted. She's worried about BEG because they used to be affiliated with BTT, but she hasn't been back in over a year because she thought Tysons / DC customers were too rough.
Regardless it's going to be slow for a while because all agencies will be wary of sending girls here.[/QUOTE]It was BEG and BTT. Read the charging document that has been provided in the thread.