"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I use SA almost exclusively. Have found no good luck with CL. Anyone comment on their favorite hunting grounds? Thanks

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy; 1448513]I have to agree with Mandy here, I currently have 2 18 yr olds (ok mentally they are a tad older, but physically 18. And both wanted me because of me being older and being able to mentor, and being able to teach them tricks guys their age can't even fantasize about!)

One even said she is approaching this as a college course, where she will learn how to take care of her future husband.[/QUOTE]Understandable that a young SB might want to date an older guy for the experience, or to compare notes on the comments of her friend (s) that have had such experiences with older guys and told the stories. Yes, they want to see if it is different than the 18 yo boy in social studies that got in there and pounded it for all of a minute and a half. But when is AGE experience and when is AGE just plain OLD? We have SD's here who are in their 30's. 40's. 50's. 60's and maybe even 70's. An 18 yo SB can surely be attracted to a 30's or even 40's SD (and maybe on the outside a well preserved 50's SD) , but lets not kid ourselves folks, a recent high schooler isn't going to get much kick out of snuggling up to someone who is older than their Grandfather. If you think so then I've got a bridge for sale.

Age and age difference needs to be quantified to some degree. It seems that most here discuss SB and SD as being 20ish +- yrs apart and that isn't how it is for all concerned. The 65 yo snuggling up to an 18 yo is great for Gramps but frankly I can't imagine that it does much for the young lady except cause her to fantisize about what she will do with the sugar once the moaning is over and done with. Nando seems to be the exception here with quite a large age spread that seems to work successfully; (hats off to Nando). Who are the others that are working with a 40 yr age spread with continued bliss? It might be helpful to know when some write about their SB and speak of AGE to know the appx spread in yrs, so the experiences can be quantified into loose categories for similarity. Do others see the relevance of whether the age spread is 20 yrs. 30 yrs or 40?

[QUOTE=Varoom;1449025]Understandable that a young SB might want to date an older guy for the experience, or to compare notes on the comments of her friend (s) . Do others see the relevance of whether the age spread is 20 yrs. 30 yrs or 40?[/QUOTE]Ok I find that I get the most out of the 18-19 yr olds and then the 30+. The 20. 30 I found are solely doing it for the sugar while the 18-19 yr olds (yes 30 + yrs younger than me) do it to get 'knowledge' or to fill the 'void' of having a sympathetic 'dad' in their life.

The 30+ crowd, do it not for the sugar, even though ir is a nice perk, but because they need it in addition to the relation (s) they already have or because the want the 'security' of something that looks like a semi long term without the hassles.

That is just my 2 eurocents

That would be me! Yes Varoom, I tend to agree that I find it hard for a HCB to get truly excited by a gent many decades her senior. I am very blessed to have found a 40 year younger SB who seems to be truly into me. You can talk the talk and walk the walk for a while but we just celebrated our 1st year anniversary and she kisses me and loves me like no one I have ever experienced. I am a very fit and youthful 60, so I do not come across as "gramps" fortunately for playing in this bowl. My Baby says things that make me think that I am way more put together than her peer group. (but she's smart enough not to draw comparisons to her other male experiences. I do not want to hear it) The down side to getting old is that the equipment (as lit opined) gets hinky and that can be frustrating when with a hottie who might go a 2nd or 3rd round and the old bod isn't up to it. Fortunately there are chemical enhancements which onercome most issues, but can take the spontaneity out of a session. Some of you younger men seem to attract girls who are getting off just being with you.possibly Scott, Droo . And don't demand the Sugar. I think 30 something is a perfect age for landing these HCBs. Good for you guys.

I found my SB on Sugardaddy4me and got a lot of responses there before settling down. I agree it is next to impossible to cancel so use VaJimbo's advice about using a prepaid card. Fling is full of young girls who aren't thinking money and seem to be looking for a hookup with another young dude, Ashley Madison has been a total loser for me. I think the girls there are looking for younger guys as well. I didn't get as far as SA since I already found my SB SO.

Got to agree with Varoom for the most part. I'm in my 50's and, for me, the lady needs to have some maturity. I usually have nothing in common with a young-20-something, and while a hot young body is nice, it wears thin pretty quickly without something else to hold my interest. I've found that 30 is a good arbitrary floor for me; I have met 28-yr-olds that were great and 40-yr-olds that still act like teenagers, so no number is hard and fast. But in general if they're younger than 35 or so, I'm going to be extra careful in determining whether we're a good match, and below 30, they're really going to have to be special.

There's also the out-in-public issue. This is still the South, and Mrs. Grundy will always remind you about what's considered "proper". I've learned the hard way that, when you're with someone significantly younger and you're not acting like family or colleagues, other men will smirk and matronly women will stare, point and scowl. I'd like to say fuck 'em, but it gets old when it happens *every time* you're out together. (It's not just an age thing. The same has been true when clean-cut me was out with a lovely lady who happened to have sleeves, a chest plate and lots of other visible ink.)

Finally, that thing about us getting better with age? It tends to apply to the ladies too. Again, a hot young body is nice, but if she doesn't know how to use it or hasn't yet learned that great sex is both physical and mental, it gets old quickly. An older woman may not be quite as HYB, but she can more than make up for it with experience, sensuality and empathy.

Just my 35 cents worth (adjusted for inflation)

The age difference between me and my ATF is around a decade. Late 50's vs late 40's. It appears most of the guys on here have had great success with the HYB's in their 20's, but that hasn't been the case with me. I've seen a few but it just hasn't floated my boat so to speak. I enjoy a woman who knows what she likes and can even take control at times. The younger SB's I've seen have been very reserved, some almost to the point of being considered a "dead fuck". Maybe more research is needed on my part?

I may have finally turned the corner after 3 months of searching. I had dates Sunday, Monday and Tuesday and all of them were great albeit in different ways. I'll start with Sunday:

I'll call Sunday's SB Flakey. That's because she says she isn't flakey, but has canceled and no-showed (contacted me and apologized later for broken phone, hmmmm) two sessions and truncated two promised overnights for a variety of reasons. The thing is she IS a nice, sweet, intelligent girl and she has muscle control that is simply incredible. She says that she'll get better, but I've made it clear there will be no monthly allowance until things get a lot more stable. Still a great time Sunday evening with dinner at my place, an episode of Homeland and great sex.

Monday was the amazing one. M&G with someone new. I'll call her Car Girl. We spent most of Sunday afternoon in a text conversation which was fun (finally getting used to the texting thing). That made dinner go really great. There has been recent discussions about sharing with SBs, I've made it a point to be open about my divorce, escort-using past and my 1 yr previous SB relationship. Anyway, after that and other conversations we finally left when the restaurant turned on the lights because we were the last ones there. As I'm walking her to her car she says,"Your story really made me hot, we should have sex in the car." At first I thought she was kidding. Thankfully she wasn't. Ours were the only cars in the parking lot, so we made out like teenagers and had sex in my car. Twice! It was hot and amazing. The kicker was I made an offer to donate some money to her non-profit (she has a dog rescue) and she actually got upset with me. She said that made it seem too much like "prostitution" and that we'd talk about that stuff later. Since then we've had a couple extended text sessions and I hope to see her again soon. Whew!

Last night I had a M&G with another lady I'll call Tokyo Rose. She's going to college for language with a concentration in Japanese. 20yrs old, very nice, very intelligent, a lot in common. It went fantastic! We made plans for her to come to my place Friday night, so we'll see if the physical connection matches up with the social one.

So, I think one of these three may work out to try an extended arrangement with. The problem is so far I like different things about all 3. I'm finding my self trying to figure out if there's some way I can afford all of them. I'm working diligently to see if I can make that happen.

So, on the age thing. I just turned 56. The ages of these three SBs are 22, 27 and 20 respectively. My previous SB was 23. They all seem fine with it. I'm in pretty good shape, happen to have good genes from my parents so I'm not very gray yet and look younger than my years. The other thing is I'm in an industry in which I'm in contact with a wide range of ages and am exposed to most current trends, music, etc. That gives me a young outlook on life. More than one of these SBs has said,"Age is just a number." To be honest I've stopped dwelling on it and have learned that if you're having fun and if she seems to be having fun, just enjoy it! So much I hear,"I have nothing in common with these girls!" Well, if you're dealing with educated (degree or in college) ladies, who are looking for a long-term arrangement, I haven't found any problem with topics of conversation, finding common interests or forming a connection.

I will throw in the caveat I mentioned in one of my other posts though. Just realize while your relationship with her may be great, whether she's monogamous with you or not, she probably has an entirely different world of friends and activities that won't include you. Roll with that any you'll be in great shape!

Good luck to all in your SB relationships,

Drummer.

Hi Everybody, great reading all of your posts. Interesting

I'm signed up for both SA and SD4Me. I get a lot of local gals I'm not interested in sending me inquiries on SA, but on SD4Me I get tons of overseas and far-flung areas of the US inquiries from women. I never answer any of them and just hit the delete button. I'm assuming the overseas ones are some kind of scam being run, but wonder about the US ones. Anyone have experience with these and know what the deal is with them? Again, not even considering responding, just curious.

Thanks!

Drummer

I do have a solution for all of those who are tired of the judgmental looks you get when you're out with your hot 20 something sugar baby. Vegas Baby! I took my SB there back in January and felt right at home. 50 or 60 somethings with 20 somethings is pretty much the norm out there. Heck even 70 somethings aren't uncommon.

Enjoy!

Drummer

I have been and out do the SB scene for over 10 years and had three great relationships. In the past months I have been reading the posts here and decided to place an add with SA. In the past I had used SB4U and this is where I had my success, but I also encountered all the same problems as mentioned here when I tried to cancel my account. So I figured try something new and SA was highly recommended.

Met some one online and chatted via text and email. Finally set up the meet and was supposed to have this nice dinner in the Slip. Dinner time comes and she doesn't show. I text and nothing, so I finally give her a call. This is where it gets weird, and now I am spooked and getting ready to call the cops.

She says she is going to tell me the truth because I seem like a really nice guy. She says she is working for a woman in Richmond who has several girls on the dating sites. These girls are paid by the woman (claims $3, 000) for very name and contact information they turn over. She says that this woman then contacts the family of the SD because she feels this is not Christian behavior. She tells me she doesn't want to do this anymore but needs the money to get back home to NC.

Basically she is telling me to help her financially or she will give my name to the woman. I told her I won't do this and that I consider this blackmail and extortion. She said she is just asking for a little help. But now it is weeks later and she contacted me again and said how sorry she is, but she can't make it and is turning my name over. I didn't respond, but have kept the texts and am thinking of turning it all over to the local police. I did contact SA before taking my profile down and they told me that they have had no complaints like this in the Richmond area and that it sounds like a scam.

So oh knowledgeable group; any advice for someone losing sleep over this?

[QUOTE=Jaw4You; 1449495]I have been and out do the SB scene for over 10 years and had three great relationships. In the past months I have been reading the posts here and decided to place an add with SA. In the past I had used SB4U and this is where I had my success, but I also encountered all the same problems as mentioned here when I tried to cancel my account. So I figured try something new and SA was highly recommended.

Met some one online and chatted via text and email. Finally set up the meet and was supposed to have this nice dinner in the Slip. Dinner time comes and she doesn't show. I text and nothing, so I finally give her a call. This is where it gets weird, and now I am spooked and getting ready to call the cops.

She says she is going to tell me the truth because I seem like a really nice guy. She says she is working for a woman in Richmond who has several girls on the dating sites. These girls are paid by the woman (claims $3, 000) for very name and contact information they turn over. She says that this woman then contacts the family of the SD because she feels this is not Christian behavior. She tells me she doesn't want to do this anymore but needs the money to get back home to NC.

Basically she is telling me to help her financially or she will give my name to the woman. I told her I won't do this and that I consider this blackmail and extortion. She said she is just asking for a little help. But now it is weeks later and she contacted me again and said how sorry she is, but she can't make it and is turning my name over. I didn't respond, but have kept the texts and am thinking of turning it all over to the local police. I did contact SA before taking my profile down and they told me that they have had no complaints like this in the Richmond area and that it sounds like a scam.

So oh knowledgeable group; any advice for someone losing sleep over this?[/QUOTE]Um, yeah, sounds like a scam to me. But, and this is a key question: How much personal information did you give her? In general, and if you've read this forum, you know to never, never, NEVER give out enough personal information that someone who you just met through the Internet could track you down. Never.

If you gave her your any combination of your name, address, weight, high school graduation year, and / or social security number, there's not much you can do to protect yourself.

[QUOTE=Jaw4You; 1449495]Basically she is telling me to help her financially or she will give my name to the woman. I told her I won't do this and that I consider this blackmail and extortion. She said she is just asking for a little help. But now it is weeks later and she contacted me again and said how sorry she is, but she can't make it and is turning my name over. I didn't respond, but have kept the texts and am thinking of turning it all over to the local police. I did contact SA before taking my profile down and they told me that they have had no complaints like this in the Richmond area and that it sounds like a scam.

So oh knowledgeable group; any advice for someone losing sleep over this?[/QUOTE]Scam at a minimum; certainly sounds like extortion (IANAL.) You should publish her handle (s) here so the rest of us don't end up in that same web.

[QUOTE=Jaw4You; 1449495]I have been and out do the SB scene for over 10 years and had three great relationships. In the past months I have been reading the posts here and decided to place an add with SA. In the past I had used SB4U and this is where I had my success, but I also encountered all the same problems as mentioned here when I tried to cancel my account. So I figured try something new and SA was highly recommended.

Met some one online and chatted via text and email. Finally set up the meet and was supposed to have this nice dinner in the Slip. Dinner time comes and she doesn't show. I text and nothing, so I finally give her a call. This is where it gets weird, and now I am spooked and getting ready to call the cops.

She says she is going to tell me the truth because I seem like a really nice guy. She says she is working for a woman in Richmond who has several girls on the dating sites. These girls are paid by the woman (claims $3, 000) for very name and contact information they turn over. She says that this woman then contacts the family of the SD because she feels this is not Christian behavior. She tells me she doesn't want to do this anymore but needs the money to get back home to NC.

Basically she is telling me to help her financially or she will give my name to the woman. I told her I won't do this and that I consider this blackmail and extortion. She said she is just asking for a little help. But now it is weeks later and she contacted me again and said how sorry she is, but she can't make it and is turning my name over. I didn't respond, but have kept the texts and am thinking of turning it all over to the local police. I did contact SA before taking my profile down and they told me that they have had no complaints like this in the Richmond area and that it sounds like a scam.

So oh knowledgeable group; any advice for someone losing sleep over this?[/QUOTE]Sounds like she's trying to run a shake-down operation on you. Basic premise you already know, but as Joe says, if you haven't given her any personal contct info, or anything that she can use to track you down / find your identity, all she can do is threaten and text you to make your life as miserable as possible. Unfortunately, there isn't a whole lot you can do about, and giving this to the cops is just going to open your life to their less-than-tender ministrations. Is that something you really feel comfortable doing?

Jaws, It is a scam and I wouldn't worry about it. None of her threats will ever happen. Delete her and sleep like a baby. If you do communicate at all just tell her that you are turning her information over to the Commonwealth Attorney and wish her luck.

Do tell us all her profile name and number either in PM or publically

Hi guys,

The recent post by Jaw made me wonder is this the only place you have to post about a fake sugar baby? That surprises me because the SB's have an entire blog dedicated to this where anyone can post in the comment stream about their experiences with a fake SD. About once a month, I go and read the new postings so I'm on top of things. While there are some girls that are just bitter and you can tell that's the post, others are from girls that have dealt with some fairly scary experiences. We post the incident details, profile name (s) , email address, and any actual information about the person. I'm surprised you don't have something similar and would encourage you to start one.

I think the SB one is hosted for free on ******** which can all be done without any "real" information. If one of you ever does choose to start one, please let me know as I would happily list it on my blog. I think this world should be safe and fun for all. Also, if one of you wants to start it but aren't so sure about the technology, I'd be willing to help once the summer gets here.

Mandy