"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4141464]New profile from a 20 yo girl in my area:

"Loyalty is also deep-rooted in me in conjunction with honesty. ".
"This will be my first time on the site and I'm so excited. Etc. ".

I chatted with this girl 2 yrs ago and she was dtf and told she had met a couple of SDs already.

Or this other girl with a new profile stating that she's excited to meet someone and have an arrangement for the first time. Except I clearly remember banging her every which way, many many times over...


Never, ever believe what these girls say. Even the ones who go on and on about honesty are about as truthful as a backpage ho.[/QUOTE]You are right. One I know was home for holiday break with a platonic profile. But her profile under a different name back in her college town is fwb.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4135903]Yesterday I spent the whole afternoon holed up in a downtown hotel with one of my favorite SB's, some wine and food. She had six orgasms, I popped twice. I am not complaining. She's 23, hot, enthusiastic and knows how to please. But the orgasm score imbalance does make me contemplate the cosmic unfairness of it all. If she comes six times, shouldn't she be slipping some sugar in my pocket instead of the other way round?[/QUOTE]There must be something about last weekend--I have just about the same story from last Saturday. A wonderful time spent with my ATF SB!! We have a joke going that I add to the sugar when I pop and subtract when she gets off. She'd be deep in debt if that were more than just a joke!!

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4140236]Anyone meet with this sweetie? I've got something set up for this weekend, she seems to be down to meet at the FC. She looks gorgeous so I'm almost wondering if this is TBGTBT.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e76fbd0f-7408-4f37-90ea-323e1c3d8c7a?fbclid=IwAR2mlx9ZOzzcZ_TR8ece_rpHxGpQnm2ttOGhbuH48Zd8XfoeGj586tywOwc[/URL][/QUOTE]I messaged her about a month, she read my note, and didn't reply. Guess I'm not her type! Let us know how it goes!

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4141464]New profile from a 20 yo girl in my area:

Never, ever believe what these girls say. Even the ones who go on and on about honesty are about as truthful as a backpage ho.[/QUOTE]Second that. I will go even further.

45% is total made up bull, 50% is what they think makes them attractive to you, 5% true (like if they say vegan etc).

Judge them on picture, communication skills, attentive or have attitude, and most of all price.

I was of the opinion that the holy grail was to score consistent long term SB and life would be sweet.

Well, just ended a 2 year run and before that a 1. 5 year run (both were between 25 and 30 yo).

Was it worth it?

Spent way $$ more than planned. Allowance was managed. The incidentals, dinners, and trips really added up.

Both ended the same way. The more comfortable they get with you, the more you are treated like a boyfriend (not in a good sense).

Less attention, less fun in the FC, more drama, more hassles, and yes, hate to say it, heartache.

Now need to start fresh in the bowl and dealing with much more unrealistic SD expectations than in years past.

Would have been better if I kept a rotation going and stayed aloof.

Let a few good ones slip away and now are nowhere to be found.

Live and learn I guess.

[QUOTE=NeoDude;4142328]I was of the opinion that the holy grail was to score consistent long term SB and life would be sweet.

Well, just ended a 2 year run and before that a 1. 5 year run (both were between 25 and 30 yo).

Was it worth it?

Spent way $$ more than planned. Allowance was managed. The incidentals, dinners, and trips really added up.[/QUOTE]Even though I have no SO and don't have an issue with being seen in public with my SBs, I try to keep the incidentals to a bare minimum. They can wind up being a major expenditure.

[QUOTE=NeoDude;4142328]Both ended the same way. The more comfortable they get with you, the more you are treated like a boyfriend (not in a good sense).

Less attention, less fun in the FC, more drama, more hassles, and yes, hate to say it, heartache.[/QUOTE]There can be a fine line between being a bf and a SD. One of the reasons we do this is to avoid the drama and hassles one goes through with a SO relationship, while keeping alive the sexual variety and excitement of a fling with a hot younger gal. It can be a tightrope walk sometimes.

[QUOTE=NeoDude;4142328]Now need to start fresh in the bowl and dealing with much more unrealistic SD expectations than in years past.[/QUOTE]I think on -line sugar sites are more polluted than ever with GPS and pros. For quite a while now I have been fishing in different ponds. See my recent post on the merits of day shift strippers as one example. [URL] http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10729-The-Sugar-World&p=4140951#post4140951[/URL].

[QUOTE=NeoDude;4142328]Would have been better if I kept a rotation going and stayed aloof.[/QUOTE]Amen brother.

[QUOTE=NeoDude;4142328]Let a few good ones slip away and now are nowhere to be found.

Live and learn I guess.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of fish in the sea. The trick is to keep practicing your fishing technique and don't become too enamored with your catches.

Even when you have a strong connection, the best it'll ever get is during that first month. You'll spend whatever time after that chasing those great feelings you had at the beginning, that newness and excitement you get from a new toy. And depending on who she is, by month 4-6 you're starting to clearly see the cracks in the foundation. That's when you figure out her special kind of crazy, her bad attitude, exactly how she'd like you to change, etc. It's true in civy dating and it's super true in sugar dating. Unless you really have that few options, you're always better off starting the cycle all over after you've seen her for a handful of months.

That girl you just met and seem like the ideal girl? She's a dumpster fire like all the others. You just haven't discovered it yet.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4142693]Even though I have no SO and don't have an issue with being seen in public with my SBs, I try to keep the incidentals to a bare minimum. They can wind up being a major expenditure.

There can be a fine line between being a bf and a SD. One of the reasons we do this is to avoid the drama and hassles one goes through with a SO relationship, while keeping alive the sexual variety and excitement of a fling with a hot younger gal. It can be a tightrope walk sometimes.

I think on -line sugar sites are more polluted than ever with GPS and pros. For quite a while now I have been fishing in different ponds. See my recent post on the merits of day shift strippers as one example. [URL] http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10729-The-Sugar-World&p=4140951#post4140951[/URL].

Amen brother.

There are plenty of fish in the sea. The trick is to keep practicing your fishing technique and don't become too enamored with your catches.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4142932]Even when you have a strong connection, the best it'll ever get is during that first month. You'll spend whatever time after that chasing those great feelings you had at the beginning, that newness and excitement you get from a new toy. And depending on who she is, by month 4-6 you're starting to clearly see the cracks in the foundation. That's when you figure out her special kind of crazy, her bad attitude, exactly how she'd like you to change, etc. It's true in civy dating and it's super true in sugar dating. Unless you really have that few options, you're always better off starting the cycle all over after you've seen her for a handful of months.

That girl you just met and seem like the ideal girl? She's a dumpster fire like all the others. You just haven't discovered it yet.[/QUOTE]"Special kind of crazy." "Dumpster fire." LOL Could not have said it better!

Even if you found that ideal gem of an angel, and no matter how serious the relationship became, ultimately one or both of you would resent the way you met and understand how easily that could change at a moment's notice. Either or both of you would eventually be looking over the fence for greener grass. Or worse. See my previous post about a text to a SD that said "I'll gut you like I'm field dressing a deer!" My balls retracted when I read this one: [URL] https://www.thedailybeast.com/stripper-convicted-or-not-guilty-for-killing-sugar-daddy-pharma-exec[/URL].

I think a few months is a good benchmark, although it can be stretched to years with less frequent get-togethers. But nothing will ever seem so sweet as that first time her panties hit the floor.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4142932]That girl you just met and seem like the ideal girl? She's a dumpster fire like all the others. You just haven't discovered it yet.[/QUOTE]This is so true. I've only seen a handful of SBs more than once and of those, the average has been about three months. Like any relationship, someone starts taking the other for granted. Usually it's the SB who has become accustomed to the allowance and stops being as responsive as she was in the beginning. And that's really the part I like about the bowl. There's absolutely nothing like the first time for all the excitement about the unknown and newness.

But I do like having a regular SB, someone with whom I have some sort of connection and don't mind hanging out with for a little while. After all, I need something to talk about while my old ass is catching its breath, resting up for the next round!

[QUOTE=CoolPix;4143449] After all, I need something to talk about while my old ass is catching its breath, resting up for the next round![/QUOTE]And when you tell your average SB that, it really turns them on that you respect them for their conversational abilities and the next thing you know, they are tying themselves up!

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4144097]And when you tell your average SB that, it really turns them on that you respect them for their conversational abilities and the next thing you know, they are tying themselves up![/QUOTE]What's wrong with that? I love subbie SBs. :-)

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4138689]I read with interest several posts on these subjects. We risk exposure of our identities and I am sure we all try to be careful out there. But sometimes no matter what you do, things can come out of nowhere to bite you on the butt.

The cops thought I gave her a roofie and then raped her, although she was not claiming that. I had to go to the police station while she was at the hospital to be drug and rape tested.

[/QUOTE]Interesting and very scary!

In the context of me "two" etc these days, I worry even about giving a baby ride in my car. Prefer to get an uber and both ride together.

Met a pot the other day who was a bit larger than her profile suggested. We met at a national Chinese chain of her preference. We enjoyed the meal, got some looks from some young families who were there with kids (love this type of situation). We were clearly unrelated (different races and significant age difference, not dressed for a professional meeting). POT got upset over some texts that came during our meeting (not from me). When I went to drop her off near her place, she made this really crying and upset face that she needed some funds. I left her with a token gc. First time that my m&g cost me more than a coffee or meal.

As I was driving back, I got to wondering what if this girl had made a noise that I seksly assaulted her. Forget about a rape kit, these days a girl just accusing someone of an attempt would at least get you on the local news!! For many here, showing up on the local news is too much attention.

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;4144431]Interesting and very scary!

In the context of me "two" etc these days, I worry even about giving a baby ride in my car. Prefer to get an uber and both ride together.[/QUOTE]PC is off the rails these days. Take the Kavanaugh hearings as a case in point. If a guy can be castigated over something that allegedly happened decades ago, based on unsupported allegations, how much more vulnerable are we when dating a SB?

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;4144431]Met a pot the other day who was a bit larger than her profile suggested. We met at a national Chinese chain of her preference. We enjoyed the meal, got some looks from some young families who were there with kids (love this type of situation). We were clearly unrelated (different races and significant age difference, not dressed for a professional meeting). POT got upset over some texts that came during our meeting (not from me). When I went to drop her off near her place, she made this really crying and upset face that she needed some funds. I left her with a token gc. First time that my m&g cost me more than a coffee or meal.[/QUOTE]We are a soft touch for every girl with a financial sob story. I have been hit up for overdue rent, car payments and bail to get a brother out of jail. It's not like I ever benefited from such generosity. Did it get better in the sack or was she ever even appreciative? Rather, I became her piggy bank for every major or minor money emergency. I don't want to appear callous but I view all such requests now as a signal to cut the cord.

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;4144431]As I was driving back, I got to wondering what if this girl had made a noise that I seksly assaulted her. Forget about a rape kit, these days a girl just accusing someone of an attempt would at least get you on the local news!! For many here, showing up on the local news is too much attention.[/QUOTE]In the incident I described I was much more concerned about the notoriety than criminal charges. I knew I did nothing wrong and could beat the rap with a good lawyer. But who wants to go through all the hassle and expense and be in the media spotlight? Maybe with a few dozen screaming rabid female supporters? Like it or not we can be in a very vulnerable spot when playing in the bowl.

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I have a late 20's AA spinner of mine that is looking for a new arrangement. Ours didn't work out but she asked me to see if I knew anyone that is looking for something. She's open to a daddy dom arrangement as well. PM for details or info about trades.