"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Be honest with you, that is the exactly same thing I'm looking for. Money can buy sex, with the right amount, 99% of the girls would fuck me. First if I regret the moment I cum, second if it's really fun.

I love a little challenge, I like the real feelings and connections. If I offer a girl 100, and she takes it and still fuck you. For my understanding, either she is desperate or she likes me. And the second kind is what I'm looking for.

I mean, if the girl you want doesn't ask too much, I would just give her 50 a time and take her to a real date. But see how much you can push her each date respectfully.

Actually I'm talking to 2 girls, they even just want to hangout and get to know each other. Since I'm single, 35, they want real thing also. I treat them like normal girl from [URL]match.com[/URL], and I don't mind take my time on them and see how far it can go.

Also, I found girls, decent looking for 100-150 and let me do whatever if I just want to a fix.

I really enjoy it. It's fun! Much easier than [URL]match.com[/URL] LOL.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4126237]As most of us here looking for SBs, my ultimate goal is to fuck the girl at the earliest possible opportunity. I have been taking a very direct approach with girls on SA telling them very early on my intentions and moving on if they are not DTF. It has worked reasonably well with me. However, I thought of trying something new and see if I can convert a "platonic" girl to DTF status. I have been looking for the right girl and I think I found one. She is 19, a slim girl with a very cute face. She has been on the site just for 5 days. Her profile says she just wants to hang out, conversations and get spoiled "once in a while". No "platonic" tag on the profile. Started chatting with her, and she says that she takes CNA classes, no job yet. When I asked what her expectations are, I got the standard answer "I am not sure, just new to this. ". But she said "No sex". I replied that sex means different things to different girls, and I expect some degree of intimacy, holding hands, kissing etc. Then she says, it is Ok, but "no penetration". I told her that if we can "fool around" and have fun, no penetration is Ok with me. We can take it slow. She replied, it oK but not at the first meet. So, we set up a meet next day at a coffee shop and I told her it was just meet and greet to get to know, nothing else. She showed up on time, cute girl as the photos indicated. She was very friendly, and we connected well and chatted for about an hour. She says I was the first person she met from the site, and I as the first guy approached her as a gentleman, almost all guys there are "creeps". When I asked why she joined the site, she said it was money, but she needs just spending money for gas, clothes etc. She lives with parents, no car payments etc. She says she doesn't require an allowance, but it would be awesome if I consider that. But, otherwise just help here and there is enough. She said right away she was comfortable with me and if I am interested she is willing to go on dates. We planned to go to a movie next weekend. I didn't give anything other than buying the coffee (just to test her). After she left I texted her thanking for her time. She responded right away for the nice time and looking forward to the movie next weekend.

My questions to veterans here. What are my chances to taking her to FC? I am willing to be patient with her and try few dates before it happens? Or am I just fooling myself and wasting my time? If we go on a "platonic" date, what would be the appropriate gift? Should I take a very "no rush" approach on movie date? I like her personality, so even if doesn't work out I think I will enjoy being with her. I will update in a week if she still keeps her promise on the movie date. My worry is that she will get fed up on SA and give up the whole thing. We have been communicating via text so I have her number in case she drops out of SA.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]

I believe I have a similar style as you and go for a good connection right off the bat and stay far away from any pro girls. My take is that your odds are less than 50-50 but it's worth a shot as you seem to have a good rapport and who knows what might develop. I believe platonic is for girls that aren't that attracted to older guys or for rinsers. There might be an in-between category for girls that are covering their tracks in case of being found out but somehow I doubt it. Me guess is she's not into older guys.

Please do share your results as I'm very interested in your little experiment.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4126237]As most of us here looking for SBs, my ultimate goal is to fuck the girl at the earliest possible opportunity. I have been taking a very direct approach with girls on SA telling them very early on my intentions and moving on if they are not DTF. It has worked reasonably well with me. However, I thought of trying something new and see if I can convert a "platonic" girl to DTF status. I have been looking for the right girl and I think I found one. She is 19, a slim girl with a very cute face. She has been on the site just for 5 days. Her profile says she just wants to hang out, conversations and get spoiled "once in a while". No "platonic" tag on the profile. Started chatting with her, and she says that she takes CNA classes, no job yet. When I asked what her expectations are, I got the standard answer "I am not sure, just new to this. ". But she said "No sex". I replied that sex means different things to different girls, and I expect some degree of intimacy, holding hands, kissing etc. Then she says, it is Ok, but "no penetration". I told her that if we can "fool around" and have fun, no penetration is Ok with me. We can take it slow. She replied, it oK but not at the first meet. So, we set up a meet next day at a coffee shop and I told her it was just meet and greet to get to know, nothing else. She showed up on time, cute girl as the photos indicated. She was very friendly, and we connected well and chatted for about an hour. She says I was the first person she met from the site, and I as the first guy approached her as a gentleman, almost all guys there are "creeps". When I asked why she joined the site, she said it was money, but she needs just spending money for gas, clothes etc. She lives with parents, no car payments etc. She says she doesn't require an allowance, but it would be awesome if I consider that. But, otherwise just help here and there is enough. She said right away she was comfortable with me and if I am interested she is willing to go on dates. We planned to go to a movie next weekend. I didn't give anything other than buying the coffee (just to test her). After she left I texted her thanking for her time. She responded right away for the nice time and looking forward to the movie next weekend.

My questions to veterans here. What are my chances to taking her to FC? I am willing to be patient with her and try few dates before it happens? Or am I just fooling myself and wasting my time? If we go on a "platonic" date, what would be the appropriate gift? Should I take a very "no rush" approach on movie date? I like her personality, so even if doesn't work out I think I will enjoy being with her. I will update in a week if she still keeps her promise on the movie date. My worry is that she will get fed up on SA and give up the whole thing. We have been communicating via text so I have her number in case she drops out of SA.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4126237]But she said "No sex". I replied that sex means different things to different girls, and I expect some degree of intimacy, holding hands, kissing etc. Then she says, it is Ok, but "no penetration". [/QUOTE]I wouldn't worry too much about that. Most 19 year old girls are not that hard-set on anything.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4126237]My questions to veterans here. What are my chances to taking her to FC? I am willing to be patient with her and try few dates before it happens? Or am I just fooling myself and wasting my time? If we go on a "platonic" date, what would be the appropriate gift? Should I take a very "no rush" approach on movie date? I like her personality, so even if doesn't work out I think I will enjoy being with her. I will update in a week if she still keeps her promise on the movie date. My worry is that she will get fed up on SA and give up the whole thing. We have been communicating via text so I have her number in case she drops out of SA.[/QUOTE]I've been in similar situations a few times and I'd say your odds are good if you're patient. If they get fed up with SA creeps and drop their account before you meet them, you might lose them, but once they've met you and liked you, I've found they'll drop SA but keep texting you as long as you keep it non-creepy.

I'd do the platonic date gift based roughly on how long that date will be compared to how long you expect your dates to ultimately be. Like if you want to spend about three hours once you start hooking up with her, and you think you'd give her $250 for those dates, give her $100 for a one hour platonic dinner date. And I'd aim for at least one full-time / full-price platonic date (maybe some making out, but no FC) so that she won't feel like the bump in money is tied directly to the sex.

[QUOTE=Almighty;3940462]Sooo, what's the deal with the new payment options? I always used to do the PayPal option. Haven't had a subscription for a few months. Tried to re-up, and can't do it by PayPal.

Are you guys just using your personal cc's? I went to the store and thought about getting a prepaid one, but it clearly states on the back of all the cards that they can only be used for transactions IN the us, to help fight terrorism, blah blah. And I saw on some post where someone's card was declined because it was an international transaction.

Anyone know of any way to use a type of cc where you don't have to give your name / info? I searched for subscription and membership in this thread and didn't find anything helpful.[/QUOTE]Most any of the prepaid Visa cards will work.

Get a $100 card from WalMart. You'll need to register it with the card provider before using it on the site. See the back of the card for the registration website. Once it's registered, it should work.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;4126333]I wouldn't worry too much about that. Most 19 year old girls are not that hard-set on anything.

I've been in similar situations a few times and I'd say your odds are good if you're patient. If they get fed up with SA creeps and drop their account before you meet them, you might lose them, but once they've met you and liked you, I've found they'll drop SA but keep texting you as long as you keep it non-creepy.

I'd do the platonic date gift based roughly on how long that date will be compared to how long you expect your dates to ultimately be. Like if you want to spend about three hours once you start hooking up with her, and you think you'd give her $250 for those dates, give her $100 for a one hour platonic dinner date. And I'd aim for at least one full-time / full-price platonic date (maybe some making out, but no FC) so that she won't feel like the bump in money is tied directly to the sex.[/QUOTE]This is how those platonic SBs keep going. Guys paying for dinner dates or taking them shopping in hopes of it leading to the FC. By the time you give up on her, she has found another guy to start the cycle over again with.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4126237]As most of us here looking for SBs, my ultimate goal is to fuck the girl at the earliest possible opportunity. I have been taking a very direct approach with girls on SA telling them very early on my intentions and moving on if they are not DTF. It has worked reasonably well with me. However, I thought of trying something new and see if I can convert a "platonic" girl to DTF status. I have been looking for the right girl and I think I found one. She is 19, a slim girl with a very cute face. She has been on the site just for 5 days. Her profile says she just wants to hang out, conversations and get spoiled "once in a while". No "platonic" tag on the profile. Started chatting with her, and she says that she takes CNA classes, no job yet. When I asked what her expectations are, I got the standard answer "I am not sure, just new to this. ". But she said "No sex". I replied that sex means different things to different girls, and I expect some degree of intimacy, holding hands, kissing etc. Then she says, it is Ok, but "no penetration". I told her that if we can "fool around" and have fun, no penetration is Ok with me. We can take it slow. She replied, it oK but not at the first meet. So, we set up a meet next day at a coffee shop and I told her it was just meet and greet to get to know, nothing else. She showed up on time, cute girl as the photos indicated. She was very friendly, and we connected well and chatted for about an hour. She says I was the first person she met from the site, and I as the first guy approached her as a gentleman, almost all guys there are "creeps". When I asked why she joined the site, she said it was money, but she needs just spending money for gas, clothes etc. She lives with parents, no car payments etc. She says she doesn't require an allowance, but it would be awesome if I consider that. But, otherwise just help here and there is enough. She said right away she was comfortable with me and if I am interested she is willing to go on dates. We planned to go to a movie next weekend. I didn't give anything other than buying the coffee (just to test her). After she left I texted her thanking for her time. She responded right away for the nice time and looking forward to the movie next weekend.

My questions to veterans here. What are my chances to taking her to FC? I am willing to be patient with her and try few dates before it happens? Or am I just fooling myself and wasting my time? If we go on a "platonic" date, what would be the appropriate gift? Should I take a very "no rush" approach on movie date? I like her personality, so even if doesn't work out I think I will enjoy being with her. I will update in a week if she still keeps her promise on the movie date. My worry is that she will get fed up on SA and give up the whole thing. We have been communicating via text so I have her number in case she drops out of SA.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]My second SB was a real challenge & slow to the FC.

Met her at a strip club in Raleigh. She was clear that she did private dancing outside the club but no sex. Like so many strippers she was into other girls sexually.

We hung out several times in Raleigh over the next two or three months. $$ for her hanging 3-5 hours. Chatting, drinking then a little dancing. Then on the bed for heavy petting. She got really wet when I rubbed & licked her kitty through her panties & sucked her pierced nipples, but always playfully said, "no, no, no, panties on!" Very passionate DFK, also. Dry humped her in doggie, like a teenagerme nude then unload on the small of her back or stomach or peirced tits. No COF allowed:(

I had another fulltime SB over the time I saw this one so was getting anything I wanted from her on the reg.

My stripper moved to Fayetteville & we added me doing her with her panties off with a vibrator. She cummed like a freight train.
Damage was $$$.

Finally gave me the green light for the FC. $$$$ but for five hours of BB. She wasn't lying about not doing guys. Tightest girl I've ever slid in. I almost didn't make it in and I'm no horse cock.

Once in her she went wild. All those stripper moves feel so good with your dick inside them. CG, RCG, Mish, Doggie. As an added bonus while DATY found out she wasn't lying about being a squirter. She wouldn't give me head but eventually did and she was awesome at it. She'd suck me forever to get me hard again because she found out she actually enjoyed dick! Only disappointment was she was totally not into any ass play.

My point is for those of us that have been in the game, like forever, a slow go with an awesome outcome isn't a bad thing. Yes, I could have spent that money and had all the instant trim I wanted.

But how many times a day is someone else hitting that, licking that or CIM?

Not judging, I still see escorts too, when someone catches my eye with a great review. Usually a pretty spinner with a nice little heart shaped ass, with a thigh that gap. Yup, we all have our weaknesses!

Good luck with your little Princess. Definitely keep us posted Bro, I'm rooting for ya!

DF.

With this one? A little far away but seems really cool with the messages we have exchanged.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5d504fbd-8b53-4190-83f3-093f111ab4a5[/URL]

First one, she is gorgeous,23,5'7, slim body, white college girl, ee major last year in college, and work at restaurant. I can tell she is very smart the way she text.

So after initial introduction text, she told me this: I'm just looking for something fun. I don't have time for a relationship, but an escape from reality with some good company would be nice.

After couple more texts, she said: Because you seem normal. You haven't insulted me, or demanded anything really weird within a few texts LOL.

After I heard this, actually I heard this kind of stuff from many girls before, it seems like those girls get fed up a lot on SA from nasty guys. I mean, be a nice decent human being, you get ahead of the game. I don't know what those guys doing in my area, but they make me look good and I can't imagine how low the standards girls set it on SA. This interesting girls sent me bunch of sexy pics over last 3 days, and seems we get along pretty well. Today she asked me if I want to hangout, I said Wednesday is good. We can go eat and see how it goes.

And I copy some of her text here:

Haha, I'm the kind of person that doesn't have to drink to go out and dance and be wild. I'm really confident and up for anything. I'm usually the friend that's the most fun, funny, and has all the ideas.

I'm really looking forward to meeting you. I can't really text at work sometimes.

That was yours truly LOL. I was studying and then went for a walk around campus. I thought zero birches tonight suited it well. Pizza was a nice touch LOL. I have a sense of humor, I'm,anything but boring and I think we'll have a great time together and fun. (Then she sent me some pizza pic and her boobs, I saw them this morning).

Thank you, can't wait until Wednesday. I'll take so, egging sexy to hold you over between today and then (I think she want to take more sexy nude pics to tease me).

I'm going to meet this beauty on Wednesday, and she never mentioned allowance or PPM or any money exchange since beginning. I don't want to disappoint her so I told her, I won't expect anything, Let's just escape from reality once a while. (because other girls like her, would easy ask 400 or 500 in my area).

Her response is: Meeting you and having fun doesn't feel like something I have to do. I actually really want to. Just to relax and have that nice time with someone during my week then go back to my normal life.

I will write a report after I meet her this Wednesday.

Second girl. 23, black, 5'9, curvy. Doing music for living. Decent looking and cute, great personality. After sent out my introduction, her response is: I'm xxx. I'm new on here and I haven't met anyone yet. My expectations weren't high but I expected to go on a date here and there just to meet people at least but everyone I've encountered so far is flakey or a scammer 😂.

After we exchanged phone number, we texts a lot this morning, and I even want to make sure I heard it right, so I asked: so, what are you looking for? Some dates, take you out, go eat yummy food, watch movies?

Her response is: Yeah exactly! Just something simple that feels natural. Ideally I'd like to forget I met a person on the site and just bring excitement and positivity into each other's lives.

We talked about music and I joke about how bad I sing, and she wants to teach me how to sing so I can impress my coworkers in the future. We chat pretty good this morning. And Same, she didn't ask money or support, just wants a decent guy to take her out for some dates and hangout. And she said many guys just want to pay her for sex, she doesn't need that.

And she said: Yeah. I don't really get on because of it. It kinda gets annoying 😂 like dang take me out to dinner first sheesh.

So I joke with her: Of course, like taking out to eat some yummy food, lots laugh, maybe some wine, then strip you naked at the end of the night like a gentleman in the old time 🤣.

She said: LOL!! Yea something like that (So she is ok to have sex, but need treat her nice and respect. Easy, right? Isn't this common sense?

After I talked to these 2 girls, plus 2 before. Totally 4 I have found in last 2 weeks, they don't mention about money, not PPM, no allowance, just want to hangout and get to know each other.

I mean, why? Why they are not on Match but SA? But soon, I will find out. And keep you guys posted.

BTW, tomorrow I'm going to meet a young 19 year old, if she shows up I will tell the story.

My membership on SA expired several weeks ago but I go on the site every once in awhile just to see if there's been any activity. Oddly, I was on there last week and I had a message from a smoking hot thing from RVA. I found it suspicious because of the multiple face shots, including pictures of her with other equally good looking girls.

But I logged on this weekend to check messages and that message was gone. Poof. No hint at all it was ever even there. Oftentimes, when someone sends me a message but then blocks me or deletes the account, the message remains in the inbox. But this was is completely gone. It's happened a couple of other times. Anybody else experience this?

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4126708]This is how those platonic SBs keep going. Guys paying for dinner dates or taking them shopping in hopes of it leading to the FC. By the time you give up on her, she has found another guy to start the cycle over again with.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying that never happens to anyone, but I haven't had it happen to me. I've had some I met for one date and didn't pursue beyond that because I could tell I'd never be able to get in their pants, but never misjudged one that I did decide to pursue.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4125157]Don't use the same picture. If we're using tools to find out who the girls are, they service is probably doing the same with us.

Ask your internet provider to give you a new IP address. They can identify you through the IP address and if you're using a modem it's usually static. Never changes.[/QUOTE]Go to this site [URL]http://www.whatsmyip.org/[/URL] write down the number. If you're using a home computer turn off the modem before you go to bed and turn it on again in the morning. If you're using your phone I think it's the same, turn it off before going to bed and turn it on in the morning. Then check that site again and it should be different. If it's not it might be because phones use IP 6 to NAT to IP4. I've never checked if it changes on a phone.

A2.

That was a long post! I'm not sure if you were making a point, but congratulations on your early success.

I dont assume that just because they havent discussed an allowance or ppm that they dont expect it. I almost never talk about money prior to a meet and many times have never discussed it at all. I always assume she still wants compensation. I provide it at the end of the date if we have been intimate. I either jokingly offer to contribute to a "xyz" fund if she has mentioned any need during the date or slip it in her piurse or pocket.

It is Sugar dating after all. We all know what's expected.

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4127384]First one, she is gorgeous,23,5'7, slim body, white college girl, ee major last year in college, and work at restaurant. I can tell she is very smart the way she text.


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Chatting / texting girls and having them showing up and doing things are two very different things. But please do keep us posted on your progress and how it goes.

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4127384]First one, she is gorgeous,23,5'7, slim body, white college girl, ee major last year in college, and work at restaurant. I can tell she is very smart the way she text.

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There are lots of guys talking about their sugar babys. I think everyone here would appreciate links if available. Thank you.

For money and not just for your wonderfulness.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4128496]Chatting / texting girls and having them showing up and doing things are two very different things. But please do keep us posted on your progress and how it goes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4127384]First one, she is gorgeous,23,5'7, slim body, white college girl, ee major last year in college, and work at restaurant. I can tell she is very smart the way she text.

So after initial introduction text, she told me this: I'm just looking for something fun. I don't have time for a relationship, but an escape from reality with some good company would be nice.

After couple more texts, she said: Because you seem normal. You haven't insulted me, or demanded anything really weird within a few texts LOL.

After I heard this, actually I heard this kind of stuff from many girls before, it seems like those girls get fed up a lot on SA from nasty guys. I mean, be a nice decent human being, you get ahead of the game. I don't know what those guys doing in my area, but they make me look good and I can't imagine how low the standards girls set it on SA. This interesting girls sent me bunch of sexy pics over last 3 days, and seems we get along pretty well. Today she asked me if I want to hangout, I said Wednesday is good. We can go eat and see how it goes.

And I copy some of her text here:

Haha, I'm the kind of person that doesn't have to drink to go out and dance and be wild. I'm really confident and up for anything. I'm usually the friend that's the most fun, funny, and has all the ideas.

I'm really looking forward to meeting you. I can't really text at work sometimes.

That was yours truly LOL. I was studying and then went for a walk around campus. I thought zero birches tonight suited it well. Pizza was a nice touch LOL. I have a sense of humor, I'm,anything but boring and I think we'll have a great time together and fun. (Then she sent me some pizza pic and her boobs, I saw them this morning).

Thank you, can't wait until Wednesday. I'll take so, egging sexy to hold you over between today and then (I think she want to take more sexy nude pics to tease me).

I'm going to meet this beauty on Wednesday, and she never mentioned allowance or PPM or any money exchange since beginning. I don't want to disappoint her so I told her, I won't expect anything, Let's just escape from reality once a while. (because other girls like her, would easy ask 400 or 500 in my area).

Her response is: Meeting you and having fun doesn't feel like something I have to do. I actually really want to. Just to relax and have that nice time with someone during my week then go back to my normal life.

I will write a report after I meet her this Wednesday.

Second girl. 23, black, 5'9, curvy. Doing music for living. Decent looking and cute, great personality. After sent out my introduction, her response is: I'm xxx. I'm new on here and I haven't met anyone yet. My expectations weren't high but I expected to go on a date here and there just to meet people at least but everyone I've encountered so far is flakey or a scammer 😂.

After we exchanged phone number, we texts a lot this morning, and I even want to make sure I heard it right, so I asked: so, what are you looking for? Some dates, take you out, go eat yummy food, watch movies?

Her response is: Yeah exactly! Just something simple that feels natural. Ideally I'd like to forget I met a person on the site and just bring excitement and positivity into each other's lives.

We talked about music and I joke about how bad I sing, and she wants to teach me how to sing so I can impress my coworkers in the future. We chat pretty good this morning. And Same, she didn't ask money or support, just wants a decent guy to take her out for some dates and hangout. And she said many guys just want to pay her for sex, she doesn't need that.

And she said: Yeah. I don't really get on because of it. It kinda gets annoying 😂 like dang take me out to dinner first sheesh.

So I joke with her: Of course, like taking out to eat some yummy food, lots laugh, maybe some wine, then strip you naked at the end of the night like a gentleman in the old time 🤣.

She said: LOL!! Yea something like that (So she is ok to have sex, but need treat her nice and respect. Easy, right? Isn't this common sense?

After I talked to these 2 girls, plus 2 before. Totally 4 I have found in last 2 weeks, they don't mention about money, not PPM, no allowance, just want to hangout and get to know each other.

I mean, why? Why they are not on Match but SA? But soon, I will find out. And keep you guys posted.

BTW, tomorrow I'm going to meet a young 19 year old, if she shows up I will tell the story.[/QUOTE]