"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Last weekend I went to LA for a business trip, before I went there I talked to some local girls and hope I can find some fun while I was in town. There was one girl she is 19,5'2, 95 lbs, white / lain mix skinny girl. Super cute. We talked for couple days, and I told her what I'm looking for and we didn't talk about allowance at all. As we agreed, we would go to have a dinner and see if we have chemistry or not. And we go from there. After I landed in LA, I sent her a text and told her we can meet at my hotel lobby at 7 pm. She was cool and show up on time. We met at door, she is very pretty young girl. And we went to for a dinner. We talked a lot and seem we do like each other. And because she is under 21, we can't drink outside, so I bought her to my hotel. We had some wine, nothing crazy. First two hrs at my hotel we were just talking, she told her story why she came to LA, and she work in restaurant at the moment. And she broke up with her bf 2 months ago. Bla bla bla. It is fine, I got nothing to do, so I listen and told her what I think. And she said she has lots Korean girl friends, and they are all super pretty and skinny. And that is why she try to keep in good shape, doesn't want to be the "fat" one in the group. But trust me, she is not even close to that. I asked her to stand up so I could take a good look of her body. I put my arms around her and hug her. She started to kiss me, sweet and passion. So we french kiss for a good 10 plus minutes, she started to take off my pants and give me BJ without I asking. After that, I ate her pussy and finger her, she cum just during the oral. We fucked almost hrs that night and the more I fucked her the wilder she turned. She said she was horny, and want to be my little ****. She talks and looks so Innocent 2 hrs ago, but now she is talking dirty on the bed and ask me to spit on her face. I cum twice that night, and the second time really took me a while, but she seemed very enjoy it and just want to me keep fucking her. After couple hrs fuck excise, we cuddled and slept. In the morning, she started to blow me again and told me that she wants fuck and she want to me cum inside her little pussy this time. Before we used wraps. I was like, fuck it. Lets do it. After a good 30 minutes raw fucking, and I cum all in her little 19 yrs old pussy. After that, she started to get dress and tell me she needs to go to work at 10 am.

At that moment, that was the question I asked on here before. Dam, how much I need to pay her? We didn't even discuss that part at all. I remember someone told me just put the money in their bag and try not to embarrass those girls. So I did, and I did a pretty good job not to embarrass her because seems like she didn't even notice it. I walked her out of the hotel, and she left.

We had a short conversation after she left, and I copy those text here. That is the interesting part of my experience.

She: It was nice to meet you but I normally do arrangements with allowances (that's what a traditional arrangement is). Sorry, I totally forgot to tell you. It was nice to meet you and I hope you find another arrangement soon.

Me: Yep. We forgot to talk about that part. But you are so nice. (I thought she talked about monthly allowance).

She: I'm sorry. I don't normally meet people without allowance, because I spend money when I get ready. I mentioned it at first on SA, but I didn't mention it in person so it's my fault. But, I had fun with you, so you are an exception 😊 next time you come to LA, feel free to text me so we can hang out again. (When I read this, I was very confused).

Me: You are so sweet. I will come back. (I don't know what else to say).

After 1 hr, she text me again.

She: I'm so sorry, I didn't even check my bag. Thank you so much ❤65039;10084;65039; I just saw it now (Now I realize that she just saw the money!

Me: LOL, you are so cute! (Dam girl, you walked out without knowing I paid?).

I mean, this is the kind of experience I'm looking for. It felt so good and real! And doesn't feel like a transaction at all!

Afterwards, I was thinking, she walked out of my door without knowing I paid her, and she started to text me about money but she still keep it cool and nice.

She was sitting in uber must wondering that: Dam, I just give out free pussy last night!

I enjoy looking at pictures of other guy's sugar babys. I've got a collection myself, I love it. My question about posting pictures is: Can you be sued for defamation? I mean you need consent to publicly post lewd pictures of someone else, am I right?

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4123036]That is an SD apartment!

My last RVA SB shared a nice place in Scotts Landing or whatever -- it was $1400 for a 2 BR.

Most RVA SBs are students -- part or full time -- and there is no way they are paying $1800 for housing.

I budget $400 all in -- hotel, any meals and her tuition assistance and rarely get any push back. IF they host, I'm happy to give them the difference since it is more discrete and her lingerie and toys are close at hand.[/QUOTE]That's the point. They can't pay the 1800 they need for housing. That's why they put a profile up on SA. And you're right, most of them are part-time or full-time students, so they're getting screwed with paying $1,000/ mo for Healthcare on top of everything. Their part-time jobs give them too much income to qualify for Medicaid unless they're pregnant or have a bunch of nasty kids. Don't rely on my opinion. Pick up an Apartment Guide. Basic utilities alone are another 800 a month. If they really ARE students, their tuition is between 1200 and 2400 a month on top of that. If a student's allowance is 200, she would need to FC at least 20 guys a month to make ends meet.

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Reading all these posts about pictures got me thinking I could be more generous. These are some of my favorite pics of a former SB.

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What a surprise. A couple days after I ban somebody for saying stupid shit like this there are new users saying it. I merged them all into one account.

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[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;4123463]Reading all these posts about pictures got me thinking I could be more generous. These are some of my favorite pics of a former SB.[/QUOTE]I,m always using a collar or some rope, thanks for the belt pic.

[QUOTE=SandPiper540;4123064]I enjoy looking at pictures of other guy's sugar babys. I've got a collection myself, I love it. My question about posting pictures is: Can you be sued for defamation? I mean you need consent to publicly post lewd pictures of someone else, am I right?[/QUOTE][BLUE]Who is SandPiper540? How do I name him in an action? I don't know who you are, and if I don't who does?

Then there is the subject of jurisdiction, sue you where? The holding company is in one country, the servers in another, the registered owner in another, the registration in another, none which have revenge porn laws. Sue who, where?

I'm not saying anybody has to post anything, we never have. If you told a chick "hey baby let me take some photos, I'll never post them anywhere" and then you do you're a douchebag, she's also fucking stupid for letting you take them. If they are obvious hidden camera pictures and you're the kind of douchebag that hides your identity by shows her's I'll delete them.

If a chick lets you take pictures they are your fucking pictures.

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This is how someone with no game and no appeal would respond. Don't be a hater because someone can get what you can't. LOL.

[QUOTE=Rustyshk;4122977]"Street people" are not my thing. Anybody with a pic that looks professional, probably paid $500 minimum to have those pictures taken. I doubt she'll be a 200 FC. As far as your SB that you stopped paying 2 months ago, it sounds like a drug addict that wants to party and needs some schmuck to pay for the hotel. I think the fact that its you is really just inconsequential.[/QUOTE]

My average has been 120 to 200 ppm. Early on in the bowl, I went to 600 for what I thought was a super hot girl. Turns out, she was 100% focussed on the $s and was a clock watcher. Not a good experience at all which i chalked up to my inexperience.

My best experiences have been with girls who really enjoyed the experience and the $s were just a bonus. I've found I don't really enjoy intimacy when my partner acts like they can't wait for it to be done.

For me, there is almost an inverse relationship between the quality of my experience and the allowance a girl asks for.

There is some correlation to the asking allowance and the girls attractiveness, but not as much as you might think. Expensive girls spend lots of money on hair, make-up, nails, outfits and professional photographs often times to hide physical flaws. Many of the more reasonable girls have a natural beauty that doesnt require all the camouflage. They look a whole lot better in the morning!!! Lol

[QUOTE=Rustyshk;4122786]400 is definitely my sweet spot. The guys on here need to think about the cost of living in RVA. The average one-bedroom apartment in Richmond is 1800/ month. What kind of bills are being paid with 200 bucks? That's like 33% of one of their car payments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rustyshk;4123066]That's the point. They can't pay the 1800 they need for housing. That's why they put a profile up on SA. And you're right, most of them are part-time or full-time students, so they're getting screwed with paying $1,000/ mo for Healthcare on top of everything. Their part-time jobs give them too much income to qualify for Medicaid unless they're pregnant or have a bunch of nasty kids. Don't rely on my opinion. Pick up an Apartment Guide. Basic utilities alone are another 800 a month. If they really ARE students, their tuition is between 1200 and 2400 a month on top of that. If a student's allowance is 200, she would need to FC at least 20 guys a month to make ends meet.[/QUOTE]You can definitely talk the 600 girls down to 400.

Anyone know anything about her? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/42c706e2-37ac-b8e2-d149-9537ad24b0a7[/URL].

We had been messaging but then she goes quiet for a while, and have never met up yet. Looks like she has been on SA for a long time so she must have some experience.

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4123055]Last weekend I went to LA for a business trip, before I went there I talked to some local girls and hope I can find some fun while I was in town. There was one girl she is 19,5'2, 95 lbs, white / lain mix skinny girl. Super cute. We talked for couple days, and I told her what I'm looking for and we didn't talk about allowance at all. As we agreed, we would go to have a dinner and see if we have chemistry or not. And we go from there. After I landed in LA, I sent her a text and told her we can meet at my hotel lobby at 7 pm. She was cool and show up on time. We met at door, she is very pretty young girl. And we went to for a dinner. We talked a lot and seem we do like each other. And because she is under 21, we can't drink outside, so I bought her to my hotel. We had some wine, nothing crazy. First two hrs at my hotel we were just talking, she told her story why she came to LA, and she work in restaurant at the moment. And she broke up with her bf 2 months ago. Bla bla bla. It is fine, I got nothing to do, so I listen and told her what I think. And she said she has lots Korean girl friends, and they are all super pretty and skinny. And that is why she try to keep in good shape, doesn't want to be the "fat" one in the group. But trust me, she is not even close to that. I asked her to stand up so I could take a good look of her body. I put my arms around her and hug her. She started to kiss me, sweet and passion. So we french kiss for a good 10 plus minutes, she started to take off my pants and give me BJ without I asking. After that, I ate her pussy and finger her, she cum just during the oral. We fucked almost hrs that night and the more I fucked her the wilder she turned. She said she was horny, and want to be my little ****. She talks and looks so Innocent 2 hrs ago, but now she is talking dirty on the bed and ask me to spit on her face. I cum twice that night, and the second time really took me a while, but she seemed very enjoy it and just want to me keep fucking her. After couple hrs fuck excise, we cuddled and slept. In the morning, she started to blow me again and told me that she wants fuck and she want to me cum inside her little pussy this time. Before we used wraps. I was like, fuck it. Lets do it. After a good 30 minutes raw fucking, and I cum all in her little 19 yrs old pussy. After that, she started to get dress and tell me she needs to go to work at 10 am.

At that moment, that was the question I asked on here before. Dam, how much I need to pay her? We didn't even discuss that part at all. I remember someone told me just put the money in their bag and try not to embarrass those girls. So I did, and I did a pretty good job not to embarrass her because seems like she didn't even notice it. I walked her out of the hotel, and she left.

We had a short conversation after she left, and I copy those text here. That is the interesting part of my experience.

She: It was nice to meet you but I normally do arrangements with allowances (that's what a traditional arrangement is). Sorry, I totally forgot to tell you. It was nice to meet you and I hope you find another arrangement soon.

Me: Yep. We forgot to talk about that part. But you are so nice. (I thought she talked about monthly allowance).

She: I'm sorry. I don't normally meet people without allowance, because I spend money when I get ready. I mentioned it at first on SA, but I didn't mention it in person so it's my fault. But, I had fun with you, so you are an exception 😊 next time you come to LA, feel free to text me so we can hang out again. (When I read this, I was very confused).

Me: You are so sweet. I will come back. (I don't know what else to say).

After 1 hr, she text me again.

She: I'm so sorry, I didn't even check my bag. Thank you so much ❤65039;10084;65039; I just saw it now (Now I realize that she just saw the money!

Me: LOL, you are so cute! (Dam girl, you walked out without knowing I paid?).

I mean, this is the kind of experience I'm looking for. It felt so good and real! And doesn't feel like a transaction at all!

Afterwards, I was thinking, she walked out of my door without knowing I paid her, and she started to text me about money but she still keep it cool and nice.

She was sitting in uber must wondering that: Dam, I just give out free pussy last night![/QUOTE]How much did you put in her purse?

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4124013]For me, there is almost an inverse relationship between the quality of my experience and the allowance a girl asks for.

There is some correlation to the asking allowance and the girls attractiveness, but not as much as you might think.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with your statement.

I offer a $ to dozens of girls a month. Sometimes average ones laugh in my face, and sometimes models jump at the chance to hook up with me. I think any 18-20 girl that readily goes to a no-tel with a 65 year old is often times a rebel or a thrill seeker. For them it's like trying a new drug or having sex with the devil. I never even hear from about half of these girls after one or two trips to the FC. They want to be naughty and dirty with an older guy, it's like a right of passage in some cases. In others they realize they can go right to $$ or $$$ or more. And of course there are the ones that just think you are hot/interesting or have a bill to pay. But whatever the case, you got to love it. And from time to time you find a keeper.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4124294]How much did you put in her purse?[/QUOTE]I gave her 200.