Tks Banker Boy for the PM so quickly. I found it.
She is a little older "She's spectacular" is a under statement. I will repeat. Their seems to be 4 girls I saw 1 real cutie, looked about 25-30 nice looking.
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Tks Banker Boy for the PM so quickly. I found it.
She is a little older "She's spectacular" is a under statement. I will repeat. Their seems to be 4 girls I saw 1 real cutie, looked about 25-30 nice looking.
I went to a perfect AMP outside the beltway where the hangmen congregate. It was $60 per hour and I got a whole hour!
Massage was varied from hard to soft. And the soft was very good!
Standard Nova ending. Girls are older and not bolder.
Be nie to the ladies.
I understand that there are members here who will help just anyone LE included. However please if you have contributed nothing for me to evaluate what you're about (25-50 post) do not PM me inquiring for information. Go out do some research (be it phenomenal experience or ripoffs) post your experience (gory details or not) and allow senior members to get familiar with you!
This was sent to me this morning via PM.
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I am sorry if I offended anyone. I will do as you suggest.
[QUOTE=A John]I understand that there are members here who will help just anyone LE included. However please if you have contributed nothing for me to evaluate what you're about (25-50 post) do not PM me inquiring for information. Go out do some research (be it phenomenal experience or ripoffs) post your experience (gory details or not) and allow senior members to get familiar with you!
This was sent to me this morning via PM.[/QUOTE]
A John
Sorry for the intrusion. I have been lurking here for a awhile and will do as you suggest.
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv]I forgot to inform you.
$60 at the door, half hour.
$10 on the tip (ask me why on PM before you bumrush
Me about the tip)
Service 8.0
Attitude 8.0[/QUOTE]Opps, $.1 on the tip
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter]Many places use unscented products. And for your body they should only be putting the bare-minimum necessary to reduce friction. 'Down there' they tend to use a lot more since more friction is needed, but the biggest concern for me is the oil on my body afterwards seeping into my cloths, while I don't have to worry about a significant other, I do have to worry about going back to work if go on my lunch break.
Either way lots of wet wipes are a good idea. If you use a cologne you should lightly reapply it afterward. I also keep those Febreze to Go mini-bottles in my car to take smells off my cloths. If you have a habit of using Febreeze at your home it shouldn't smell to suspicious, also the smell doesn't tend to linger.
For you, I would just take a shower when I get home. I'm sure it isn't much of an excuse to take a shower being how hot and humid it is these days. Just say you feel sweaty. There are a million excuses.[/QUOTE]If you are that worried about it, then this may not be your game, sir.
Okay, senior members; I've been lurking for a while, so I thought I'd introduce myself with a quick review. Visited a decent place for some therapy at a strip mall south of Centreville. There I met an older, but attractive gal. Table shower was good, with nice attention to important details. The full menu was met with delight with thoughtful conversation followed. Plan to return soon.
[QUOTE=Bostonpeter]Many places use unscented products. And for your body they should only be putting the bare-minimum necessary to reduce friction. 'Down there' they tend to use a lot more since more friction is needed, but the biggest concern for me is the oil on my body afterwards seeping into my cloths, while I don't have to worry about a significant other, I do have to worry about going back to work if go on my lunch break.
Either way lots of wet wipes are a good idea. If you use a cologne you should lightly reapply it afterward. I also keep those Febreze to Go mini-bottles in my car to take smells off my cloths. If you have a habit of using Febreeze at your home it shouldn't smell to suspicious, also the smell doesn't tend to linger.
For you, I would just take a shower when I get home. I'm sure it isn't much of an excuse to take a shower being how hot and humid it is these days. Just say you feel sweaty. There are a million excuses.[/QUOTE]
Ask the provider not to use any oils or lotions, or ask for full body wipe off with hot towels after the massage and another one after the finish.
As for the soap smell, brink your own or don't go. Use your computer and your own hand, it'll be much cheaper as well.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Is it open again? I could swear I saw ads on BP or CL for this place recently.
Any one know if it reopened and is it the same as before?
Found it.
[url]http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/thp/1937049253.html[/url]
Seems they have been posting since 9/3[/QUOTE]
Since 112 was one of my ATF, I decided to TOFTT to seen how things might have changed. I can report that it is not the 112 we all knew and loved. That being said, I still had a good time. My provider was Bebe. Her massage skills were excellent. She gave a slow, sensual, rythmic massage that was very relaxing with a standard NOVA ending. The one other downside is the shower is now stand-up, self-service.
I missed out last week due to the extended weekend, but today on the way home, I stopped off at my usual spot again. It was basically a repeat performance of the last time I was there.
I was greeted with a warm smile, and a "been a long time." Took me back to the room, "one hour, " standard rate. TS was nice and extra attention was good. Dried off and back to the room.
Good massage. On the flip, LFK, some compliments, and then CBJ. Finished up the hour with the remainder of the massage. Helped me dress, another warm hug, and off I go.
[QUOTE=Novaguy Inph]I missed out last week due to the extended weekend, but today on the way home, I stopped off at my usual spot again. It was basically a repeat performance of the last time I was there.
I was greeted with a warm smile, and a "been a long time." Took me back to the room, "one hour, " standard rate. TS was nice and extra attention was good. Dried off and back to the room.
Good massage. On the flip, LFK, some compliments, and then CBJ. Finished up the hour with the remainder of the massage. Helped me dress, another warm hug, and off I go.[/QUOTE]
LOL you have 5 posts, how the heck is anyone here supposed to know "your usual spot". In all your reviews you failed to name or even hint at the spa or it is location.
Without such information reviews are useless and I do not see how they can be measured as valued contributions.
Seems like you are copying the review style of some LONG time members who we DO know their usual spots. Try to find your own style and deliver information that can be used by the members, please?
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]LOL you have 5 posts, how the heck is anyone here supposed to know "your usual spot". In all your reviews you failed to name or even hint at the spa or it is location.
Without such information reviews are useless and I do not see how they can be measured as valued contributions.
Seems like you are copying the review style of some LONG time members who we DO know their usual spots. Try to find your own style and deliver information that can be used by the members, please?[/QUOTE]
In his second post he mentions something about going east, perhaps Far East. Otherwise yes his posts are much the same just like anybody else here who visit his ATF spot. Good looking grandma(for her age), great TS, great massage(if you lucky to find someone trained) and standard to above standard finish(depends on provider's mood, how many times repeated and how good with tipping).
[QUOTE=Hofi35]In his second post he mentions something about going east, perhaps Far East. Otherwise yes his posts are much the same just like anybody else here who visit his ATF spot. Good looking grandma(for her age), great TS, great massage(if you lucky to find someone trained) and standard to above standard finish(depends on provider's mood, how many times repeated and how good with tipping).[/QUOTE]
Well not being a VA resident and only hobbying in VA when work brings me south of the river, I am not picking up what spa is found by going "east".
Either way, in his 2nd post it is a different place then the 1st post. He says so, then confirms it was 2 different places in the 3rd post saying he returned to the UN-NAMED spot in post 1. In his 4th post he begins calling it his "Usual" spot, still Un-named. He repeats this with his 5th and most recent post.
So even if he went to Far East in post 2, that would NOT seem to be the place he is calling his regular spot.
Personally, I think they are just f with us posts. Probably he was not able to make sense of some of the senior members posts which are like his and could not figure out where to go, so he is just copying the same style. IF they are true reviews that are not usefull at all. He is probably sitting back and laughing.
Tried a late evening visit at a fruity place near the beltway last weekend. After failing in many attempts, I received a lineup choice of four. Two looked promising and I chose a spring month.
My new friend was nice enough to take me on a dream around the world to some of my favorite places. During my previous visits the dreams varied, but this one rated well up there. However, it was just short of making the all-time dream team.
My therapist probably will not be there long, as they seem to rotate often to keep the produce fresh.
BTW, If the code cannot be cracked, I will be happy to share details with anyone with a solid report history.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]LOL you have 5 posts, how the heck is anyone here supposed to know "your usual spot". In all your reviews you failed to name or even hint at the spa or it is location.
Without such information reviews are useless and I do not see how they can be measured as valued contributions.
Seems like you are copying the review style of some LONG time members who we DO know their usual spots. Try to find your own style and deliver information that can be used by the members, please?[/QUOTE]So I thought the purpose of the site was supposed to be able to give out some information, pique an individuals interest, but not divulge actual locations, bringing Uncle Leo to your favorite spot. That would seem to me to be counter productive.
Instead of trying to call me out, why don't you just PM me for some details like several others have?
I'll admit, I'm new to the scene, and only have a handful of posts under my belt. At least I'm trying to contribute. Thanks for the constructive criticism, and I'll try to do better with my future posts.
Went by the River this afternoon thinking I might take a dip.
As I drove through the parking lot I noticed a black SUV with tinted windows parked to the back of the lot with a great view of the entrance and cumers and goers. Was sure it was LE because I could see the top of the computer terminal in the front of the vehicle. This is a FFX county location and was curious if they had been spotted elsewhere?
No Fun
[QUOTE=Novaguy Inph]So I thought the purpose of the site was supposed to be able to give out some information, pique an individuals interest, but not divulge actual locations, bringing Uncle Leo to your favorite spot. That would seem to me to be counter productive.
Instead of trying to call me out, why don't you just PM me for some details like several others have?
I'll admit, I'm new to the scene, and only have a handful of posts under my belt. At least I'm trying to contribute. Thanks for the constructive criticism, and I'll try to do better with my future posts.[/QUOTE]
Why would I pm you? You have not provided intel that can be used and for all I know you are LE.
You want to be discreet in the review and not list what services a girl provided FINE, at least be somewhat up front about the location. If you want to be discreet about the location and detail the service FINE, do so. But when you do not give any information on the location and say "standard" for a finish, what the hell is the point of the post other then to get your post count up and look like you are offering contribtions when you are not.
If I PM you and tell you what I have told you, it does NOT help the next new member at all. So do not get upset about it.
Provide some intel that can be verified please. You need to work on your ability to be discreet and still provide usefull information, until then just post the information. It would be apprecaited.
[QUOTE=Funkey]Went by the River this afternoon thinking I might take a dip.
As I drove through the parking lot I noticed a black SUV with tinted windows parked to the back of the lot with a great view of the entrance and cumers and goers. Was sure it was LE because I could see the top of the computer terminal in the front of the vehicle. This is a FFX county location and was curious if they had been spotted elsewhere?
No Fun[/QUOTE]The black SUV parked directly facing the river? It has been there every time I've gone there. I pulled up on my second visit, and both passenger & driver door were open and one of the ladies was doing something (going through glove box, I dunno?). Anyway, I did recognize her from my first visit.
[QUOTE=Novaguy Inph]So I thought the purpose of the site was supposed to be able to give out some information, pique an individuals interest, but not divulge actual locations, bringing Uncle Leo to your favorite spot. That would seem to me to be counter productive.[/QUOTE]
I've never, ever agreed with this, and since 2004 I've always provided full identification of the spa and the provider and the services offered. Law enforcement's interest in the posts on this board are restricted to facilities opening up in spots they're not supposed to (e.g., next to a family dentist practice in Leesburg and next to a childrens' music clinic in Ashburn), and human trafficking. Over more than a decade (or two, I guess), Fairfax County has proven its willing to let AMPs conduct business in suitable locations.
Go to your AMPs. Publish your experiences here, and don't be afraid to name names. There's nothing you have to divulge that law enforcement isn't fully aware of (excepting the above).
Best regards,
Banker Boy
On the forum, too much attitude frequently generates flame wars and pages of posts that really are not entertaining and provide nothing useful to those of us who actually enjoy the hobby.
I admit to a little attitude. And I also admit some complain my posts are verbose. However, some find my posts at least slightly entertaining as well as informative enough to go out and get a massage.
Now with regards to a great AMP visit, the attitude of the staff can mean the difference between a great visit and a lousy one. A provider can have great technique, be a model in appearance, but a poor or apathetic attitude kills the whole experience.
The MMS can be welcoming (think "Cheers") or a drudge (ok. Think Carla of Cheers).
If you drive into the sun in the evening and stop at a convenient nearby spring, you will find the place many of us know as the charming, Charmin SPA. A place where style and attitude is the best.
I now know the MMS and all the staff. Each lady a wonderful person. Each with the best attitude of any ATF I have ever named before.
For those who have not visited. GO. Don't worry about the name of the provider I saw this time, last time, or any of the times before that. They were different ladies. And each was lovely, skilled and provided me a superb massage experience.
For those that know this place. The weather is terrific. Go see your provider.
Details on today's visit
A non-standard day for me on a day that was very quiet for them. I was the only client from the time I arrived until I departed.
Today I got 63 minutes for my 60 minute appointment at standard NoVA rate for the hour.
Entrance: a bit public for some since the location is in a rather busy office/medical/lawyer type complex. Typical two door entry with buzzer on the inside. Nice sofa if you are asked to wait. But I've never sat on it (large candy dish near the door)
Score: 8/10
Studios: I think there may be as many as 6 studios. Very nice rooms with nice furniture, hangers, spa robes, and lots of clean linen/towels. Good, wide extra-firm tables (actually, I'd like a little more padding). Back walking rails. I was in studio 1 (which is my usual room)
Score 9/10
TS: the best TS facility in the area based on the other places I go/been. The TS I received today was excellent ++
Score: 9/10
Massage: very good lotion massage. Lots of elbow working the deep knots in my back. Great leg and neck work
Score: 9/10
Provider: Lovely, younger than some, flawless. Attitude. A wonderful person who treats me like I'm a wonderful person too. She also gives every indication of liking her clients and her job
F/B/A/S: 10/10/10/10
Overall everything: today's visit. 9
<surprise. I've been rating this place as 10/perfect. But today, my "attitude" was not as positive (no fault at all to the provider). So I deducted one for being me .
I believe in being nice to the ladies. So, I was nice with the tip, because without doubt, I want to see these ladies again, and again. And, they remember if you are a good client (fun and generous) and they remember if you are a cheap, tight ass. Either way they will take care of you, but I bet I get more pleasure from my visits because I am nice to them than others get who are crass, or stingy, or grabby, or otherwise unpleasant.
For those looking for info. It's here. For anyone wanting an argument. Look somewhere else.
Always be nice to the ladies
PA
PS – yes I know, I did not name the lady/provider – like I said, just go. Every lady who works here is worth her (very light) weight in gold.
[QUOTE=Banker Boy]I've never, ever agreed with this, and since 2004 I've always provided full identification of the spa and the provider and the services offered. Law enforcement's interest in the posts on this board are restricted to facilities opening up in spots they're not supposed to (e.g., next to a family dentist practice in Leesburg and next to a childrens' music clinic in Ashburn), and human trafficking. Over more than a decade (or two, I guess), Fairfax County has proven its willing to let AMPs conduct business in suitable locations.
Go to your AMPs. Publish your experiences here, and don't be afraid to name names. There's nothing you have to divulge that law enforcement isn't fully aware of (excepting the above).
Best regards,
Banker Boy[/QUOTE]In a nutshell, this is exactly the reason I quit giving reports because of people like Banker Boy. He's closed as many AMPs as the LE.
[QUOTE=Banker Boy]I've never, ever agreed with this, and since 2004 I've always provided full identification of the spa and the provider and the services offered. Law enforcement's interest in the posts on this board are restricted to facilities opening up in spots they're not supposed to (e.g., next to a family dentist practice in Leesburg and next to a childrens' music clinic in Ashburn), and human trafficking. Over more than a decade (or two, I guess), Fairfax County has proven its willing to let AMPs conduct business in suitable locations.
Go to your AMPs. Publish your experiences here, and don't be afraid to name names. There's nothing you have to divulge that law enforcement isn't fully aware of (excepting the above).
Best regards,
Banker Boy[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're trying to say, all of NoVa places are in office centers with family dentist practice, or children learning places, or your personal CPA, or whatever. It depends on state and county. Look at PWC, LC. They say they don't want that there and they'd do anything to get it out. But you have to remember that there were only handfull of places in both counties. FC on the other hand, there is so many places that it would cost double or maybe triple of the other counties to close all of these places down. Plus FC is mainly HJ,you could find some places with FS offer, but it's rare.
Like many people said, LE is fully aware of it, they read this and other sites with reviews and once they get enough comlaints, enough of reading juicy reviews some idiots have to say online, they decide to go in and close place down. In my opinion, mentioning name of the place is no harm, but saying that "Yoyo" sucked my dick until I came in her mouth and she swallowed and I gave her 80 for that is.
[QUOTE=Banker Boy]I've never, ever agreed with this, and since 2004 I've always provided full identification of the spa and the provider and the services offered.[/QUOTE]This is much appreciated. I too strive to provide information specific enough to be useful without being graphic enough to draw a lot of attention. When I can't understand a vague report I usually ignore it. If I have to spend two hours researching to discover the name of the spa based on a combination of its Latin name and an obscure song reference from the 1960s or some BS, why even report? Furthermore, if this research is possible for anyone, why would it stop LE from doing the same?
My understanding is the point of this forum is to provide a way to focus the discussion and help guys find the best spots to get whatever in particular they may be looking for.
It's pretty likely that LE knows most of what's going on at any given establishment and largely tolerates it until they get enough complaints. Or the place consistently goes above and beyond the norm.
If I had to guess, I would say less than one out of every 100 members of this forum has anything to do with LE. Probably a lot less than that and more like 1 in 1000. If less than 1% of the forum is trouble and we treat it like half of the members are LE, what's the point of a forum?
In my limited experience here it seems like every other thread becomes an argument about tipping or who may or may not be LE monitoring the board. Though I realize I'm only adding to the problem at the moment I hope we can refocus the discussions where they should be. Hoepfully I'll have some spare cash next week and something productive to contribute.
Just RTFF back a year or so and you will see the same tired old arguments. Let's DROP all that crap and post some information!
Sheesh!
JJ
[QUOTE=Notronmexico]This is much appreciated. I too strive to provide information specific enough to be useful without being graphic enough to draw a lot of attention. When I can't understand a vague report I usually ignore it. If I have to spend two hours researching to discover the name of the spa based on a combination of its Latin name and an obscure song reference from the 1960s or some BS, why even report? Furthermore, if this research is possible for anyone, why would it stop LE from doing the same?
My understanding is the point of this forum is to provide a way to focus the discussion and help guys find the best spots to get whatever in particular they may be looking for.
It's pretty likely that LE knows most of what's going on at any given establishment and largely tolerates it until they get enough complaints. Or the place consistently goes above and beyond the norm.
If I had to guess, I would say less than one out of every 100 members of this forum has anything to do with LE. Probably a lot less than that and more like 1 in 1000. If less than 1% of the forum is trouble and we treat it like half of the members are LE, what's the point of a forum?
In my limited experience here it seems like every other thread becomes an argument about tipping or who may or may not be LE monitoring the board. Though I realize I'm only adding to the problem at the moment I hope we can refocus the discussions where they should be. Hoepfully I'll have some spare cash next week and something productive to contribute.[/QUOTE]
Went to a place in Merrifield about a week ago. Young girl, mid 20's. Amazing, PM for details.
Anyone know where I can find a nuru massage?
Sadly I haven't had much time - and money - to partake in this hobby but Thursday I found myself around the Best area. I have rarely been disappointed in this place which is probably why I don't find myself venturing as much as I did in the past. S*z* gave an amazing backwalk, a standard finish. and a little more massage afterwards.
FBAS: 6, 8, 8, 9.
.8 + .6 (because I thought the massage was stellar), and my stay was exactly 1 hour.
This forum is useless now! I had to go back FOUR screen to find any solid info and even then did not see the name of the establishment anywhere!
I understand discretion as much or maybe more than anyone but this has gotten to the point of simply not being any value at all.
At least NAME THE ESTABLISHMENT in your postings!
It looks like we have turned into a bunch of old women sitting around bitching about everything and not saying anything!
I am about to visit a NoVa establishment - not sure which one yet but when I return I WILL name the facility.
JJ
I phoned them first and asked if they were busy and she said not busy and come on over!
So I did!
Rang the buzzer and she came to the door saying there would be a fourty minute wait.
It took me only 5 minutes from my phone call to ringing the buzzer!
I will not try there again!
JJ
And the MAYOR has spoke............
Check out CL Therapeutic.
There is a lady who advertises Nuuurvana.
Maybe she is being subtle?
As I walked out of an amp,3 people walked in.One was already there and two walked in from different directions in the hall.Were you in the parking lot watching the door when you called?
I visited Orient this weekend. Angie (MMS) was happy to see me.
She introduced me to a "new girl" (at least to me). A nice lady of appropriate proportions and a bright, pleasant face. Her name is Jenny.
Entrance. Standard rate $80 for the hour.
A fine TS (although I like longer washing than some).
A good massage.
All relaxed when I departed about 55 minutes after I arrived.
Standard tip for the pleasant almost hour.
I like repeating here, but I am currently visiting other establishments more often.
JJ. This post is for you
Everyone. Be nice to the ladies!
PA
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]I phoned them first and asked if they were busy and she said not busy and come on over!
So I did!
Rang the buzzer and she came to the door saying there would be a fourty minute wait.
It took me only 5 minutes from my phone call to ringing the buzzer!
I will not try there again!
JJ[/QUOTE]
As AMP veteran you should already know that when you call and ask if they're busy, the answer you get is ALWAYS "no today very slow, stop by now honey". They want all the customers and all the money they can get and figured once you're there, you may be willing to wait.
Over the phone you should ask who is available for time when you get there and make appointment if that's your first visit and for repeated visits just call to make appointment. Avoid any other questions.
[QUOTE=Jjny25]Went to a place in Merrifield about a week ago. Young girl, mid 20's. Amazing, PM for details.[/QUOTE]
How do you know she's mid 20s? Did you see her ID? You can post her name here, it's safe. I'd like to make appointment with her if what you said is truth. Looks like everywhere you go, mid 20s girls just pop up. Lucky bastard. Share more info.
Drove over to Golden this morning. Thats my favorite time. It was on a service road in a little office park just off of 236 in Annandale. I had been there several times and had gotten a little better then normal NV service from a hard body spinner with a three letter name. Joy or Toy. I really forget now. But I digress, there was a you haul truck parked at the entrance way with the ramp down. As I walked to the door I noticed a washer/dryer on the truck. Oh well. I went to the front door which was open but rang the bell. The insides were a bit disheveled and a couple of Korean men were apparently moving out the furniture. We closed now one said to me. Thanks I said. And moved on. Another decent AMP bites the dust.
Got back in town from a short weekend jaunt and was in the mood for some relaxation. I'd spotted a place that looked like an AMP off Old Dominion Rd in McLean called Oriental Touch. Hadn't seen any intel on it so thought I'd check it out.
I show up and the place has the right trappings - curtains, a doorbell, and "oriental" in the name. I get in and they have a waiting area. An older woman asks if I have an appointment, I say no and I can hear her discussing with some boss guy in the back. She says she can make time for me today for an hour, but I'm really starting to not feel this place. Not excited about the therapist either so I told her I made a mistake and left. Still not sure if the place is AMP but I didn't like the vibe regardless.
Left and decided to try the Merrifield Wellness Center instead since that'd been getting a lot of praise lately. Boy am I glad I did. I showed up unannounced around 1 PM, no problem. Was greeted by a very attractive and youthful (20s? 30s?) lady who said her name was "Ha Ha" like the laugh. She was pretty funny, very playful, and exuberant personality.
Everything was great - the facilities, the massage, and all other manner of activities. Probably the best time I've ever had at an AMP. She had a great body, great attitude, and skills, and the menu was quite exhaustive. I tipped $ and will almost definitely try this place again. Hopefully this girl is indicative of all the talent they have there.
[QUOTE=AKFourtySeven]Check out CL Therapeutic.
There is a lady who advertises Nuuurvana.
Maybe she is being subtle?[/QUOTE]
Nuru is available in NoVA from Pinky Allure and friends. So far they are the only one that I know of that are offering and they are advertising they are offering it in their ads.
I think you found one of their ads. But you did not link it so I can not be sure.
Sorry I went back 4 pages and saw at least 4 locations and WMC mentioned a few times. One in tysons that was edited but contacting via PM to get the number is available. Just need to do a bit research and I always leave the name in the title. makes it easier for all ;-)
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]This forum is useless now! I had to go back FOUR screen to find any solid info and even then did not see the name of the establishment anywhere!
I understand discretion as much or maybe more than anyone but this has gotten to the point of simply not being any value at all.
At least NAME THE ESTABLISHMENT in your postings!
It looks like we have turned into a bunch of old women sitting around bitching about everything and not saying anything!
I am about to visit a NoVa establishment - not sure which one yet but when I return I WILL name the facility.
JJ[/QUOTE]